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| IrcsomeBot1 | tomazcanabrava was added by: tomazcanabrava | 22:37 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | nggraham was added by: nggraham | 22:38 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> Hello | 22:38 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> I'm a full-time Kubuntu user, and Valorie invited me here to bring up my list of issues and papercuts with the aim of addressing some of them before the next release | 22:39 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> prepare for a pastebomb... | 22:39 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> Major issues … ------------ … - Samba doesn't prompt the user to create a Samba password when first installed, or re-use the existing one … -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1700588 … - On systems based on Ubuntu 16.04 (such as KDE Neon), MS Office documents open as zip archives using Ark when Krusader is installed because of really old version of shared-mime-info … -- https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384991 … | 22:39 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1572244 … Minor issues … ------------ … Ubuntu doesn't compile Okular with text-to-speech capabilities … - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/okular/+bug/1717131 … kde-thumbnailer-openoffice doesn't work in Plasma 5; no ODF previews … - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-thumbnailer-openoffice/+bug/1711566 … Kubuntu Dolphin package's appstream | 22:39 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | instead of its own … - https://phabricator.kde.org/T7717 … Ubuntu doesn't package the Discover Snap backend … - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/1742298 … Feature requests/nice-to-haves … ------------------------------ … - Adopt openSUSE patch that adds high-res icons for Firefox and Thunderbird, so the Large Icons task switcher in KDE Plasma doesn't have ugly icons … -- | 22:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1700588 in samba (Ubuntu) "samba package should be included in the live session/default installation, and create a user+passwords identical to the main user account" [Undecided,Opinion] | 22:39 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1715213 … -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/1715214 … In Kubuntu, plasma-discover-flatpak-backend should add flathub repo during installation … - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/1737645 … Use better font anti-aliasing settings by default … - https://phabricator.kde.org/T7618 | 22:39 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 384991 in general "Open XML files get opened in Ark instead of LibreOffice (or other specified app)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 22:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1572244 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu requires that the WiFi password be entered twice before WiFi can be used" [Medium,Confirmed] | 22:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1717131 in okular (Ubuntu) "Compile Okular with libqt5texttospeech5" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 22:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1711566 in kde-thumbnailer-openoffice (Ubuntu) "[patch] Does not work in Plasma 5" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 22:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1742298 in plasma-discover (Ubuntu) "Snap backend not packaged" [Undecided,New] | 22:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1715213 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Adopt openSUSE patch that adds high-res icons for Firefox, so the Large Icons task switcher in KDE Plasma doesn't have an ugly Firefox icon" [Undecided,New] | 22:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1715214 in mozilla-thunderbird (Ubuntu) "Adopt openSUSE patch that adds high-res icons for Thunderbird, so the Large Icons task switcher in KDE Plasma doesn't have an ugly Thunderbird icon" [Undecided,New] | 22:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1737645 in plasma-discover (Ubuntu) "plasma-discover-flatpak-backend should add flathub repo during installation" [Undecided,New] | 22:39 |
| valorie | nggraham I will try to clean up the paste and send it to the devel list too | 22:42 |
| valorie | as most of our devels are probably already going to sleep right now | 22:43 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> thank you, and sorry for imposing a formatting clean-up task. I can email it to you directly if you'd like | 22:43 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> and I should probably join that mailing list | 22:43 |
| valorie | that would be best, yes | 22:43 |
| valorie | I think the devels will probably end up with a phab task for some | 22:44 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> done | 22:44 |
| valorie | and the others *might* be easily fixed | 22:44 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> one is already a Phabricator task :) | 22:44 |
| valorie | oh, add the link to your list! | 22:44 |
| valorie | we use the KDE phab in Kubuntu as well | 22:44 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> it's on there! It's the font AA one | 22:45 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> I'll send an email to the list | 22:45 |
| valorie | ah, now I see it | 22:45 |
| valorie | many of our devels also work with neon | 22:45 |
| valorie | so it's a group papercut-fixing /packaging fixing | 22:45 |
| valorie | not with everything, but lots | 22:46 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> sent the email! | 22:50 |
| valorie | thanks, @nggraham | 23:05 |
| valorie | we love user feedback! | 23:05 |
| valorie | and of course always like help fixing stuff as well | 23:06 |
| valorie | odd that plasma-discover isn't snapped | 23:06 |
| valorie | neon prides themselves on doing that post-haste | 23:06 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> FYI, one of my long-term KDE goals is to make one distro the no-brainer obvious choice for getting KDE software. If want that to be Kubuntu, I'll be more than happy to help a serious effort | 23:06 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> yeah well, they package Snap, but it doesn't actually work there 😛 | 23:06 |
| valorie | I've always wanted that | 23:07 |
| valorie | oh, if there is a package and it doesn't work..... | 23:07 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> yeah, *everyone* wants that. But it doesn't exist! I've always thought it should be Kubuntu, and I really think it's possible with a bit of spit and polish | 23:07 |
| valorie | most of use don't like snap much to be frank | 23:08 |
| valorie | but sitter certainly does! | 23:08 |
| valorie | and so does sgclark | 23:08 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> personally I'm a Flatpak kind of guy | 23:09 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> but I don't care which one wins, so long as one does, or else we're back to the same old deb vs rpm thing all over again | 23:09 |
| valorie | I mean, I'm on the neon team too, so those who want that approach, I think it should be the best too | 23:09 |
| valorie | of course | 23:09 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> Would you like me to file Phabricator tasks for those, or do you want your team to handle it? | 23:12 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> I ash because there are even more aspirational things I'd like to ask for to take Kubuntu to the next level, such as using a picture for the lock and login screens instead of the default ugly blue background | 23:12 |
| valorie | lets talk about this on the list, OK | 23:13 |
| * valorie fires up the email | 23:13 | |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> ok | 23:13 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> @nggraham replied on a couple of those bugs. qttexttospeech is on my mental list to enable, and the snap backend for discover is already turned back on in our packaing for 5.12 | 23:30 |
| valorie | acheronuk: \o/ | 23:30 |
| valorie | I'm looking at the bugs etc one by one right now | 23:31 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> never noticed the breeze cursor one, but I don't use that cursor theme generally | 23:32 |
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| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @acheronuk I'm willing to bet that the WiFi password twice bug is PIM | 23:35 |
| valorie | the PIM folks are going to set up a PIM testing VM on KDE infra soon | 23:36 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> @valorie, fix it then | 23:37 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> @tsimonq2, fix it then | 23:37 |
| valorie | so that devels from a few different sub-teams all have simultaneous access to the same running thing | 23:37 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, no :P | 23:37 |
| valorie | like the ui people, db people, etc | 23:37 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Sorry, but I only mess with PIM when it's symbols. | 23:38 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> :P | 23:38 |
| valorie | tsimonq2: if you really think it's PIM, call it out on the bug reports on KDE bugz | 23:38 |
| valorie | so they can test that | 23:38 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> I struggle to see how it's PIM, but then nothing would surprise me | 23:38 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, kwallet | 23:38 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> urgh. horrible thing | 23:39 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I'm willing to put money on it being that :P | 23:39 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> it is almost certainly KWallet | 23:39 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> see? :P | 23:39 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> (we think) | 23:40 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> kill off both. please! | 23:40 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> joking.... but only just | 23:40 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> XD | 23:40 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> probably won't be able to look at much of this tommorow, but after that and the weekend, maybe | 23:41 |
| valorie | almost certainly kwallet | 23:42 |
| valorie | but it Just Works for me, almost always | 23:42 |
| valorie | unfamilar wifi, it does the double thing | 23:43 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> I got it in the Kubuntu live session, but not after installation | 23:43 |
| valorie | so annoying | 23:43 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> current theory is that this only happens when the KWallet PAM module isn't set up properly or something | 23:43 |
| valorie | but as the BRs say, *some* wifi | 23:43 |
| valorie | not all | 23:43 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> in other distros, I got it all the time | 23:43 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> kwallet is one of the things I fisrt kill off on a personal install, along with baloo | 23:43 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> FWIW I've recruited someone to patch up baloo | 23:44 |
| valorie | never had a problem with either of 'em | 23:44 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> check out the commit log: https://cgit.kde.org/baloo.git/ | 23:44 |
| valorie | nggraham \o/ | 23:44 |
| valorie | because it is sometimes a problem for others | 23:44 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> right | 23:44 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> it works great for me, but I totally agree that it needs major work, since others hate it and have terrible experiences | 23:44 |
| valorie | vish is a genius but he caught so much flack.... it just killed his motivation eventually | 23:45 |
| valorie | dan is tough | 23:45 |
| valorie | I mean he works on PIM | 23:45 |
| valorie | Michael Heidelbach -- is that your recruit? | 23:46 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> @nggraham, wow. some movement. someone on #plasma a while back wasn't sure it was even maintained now | 23:46 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> yep | 23:46 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> I've been mentoring him | 23:46 |
| valorie | awesome | 23:46 |
| valorie | it would be great to have that maintained again | 23:46 |
| valorie | because it gets better and better imo | 23:47 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> it is technically maintainerless, but we are hoping to rehab it with community contributions and eventually attract a new formal maintainer | 23:47 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> same with Gwenview, which is farther along in that process | 23:47 |
| valorie | \o/ | 23:47 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> *cough* Amarok? *cough* *cough* | 23:47 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> that one's probably long dead | 23:48 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> to be honest, I actually use Lollypop on my machine | 23:48 |
| valorie | I hope not, but I fear it's true | 23:48 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> it may be made for GNOME, but it is magnificent | 23:48 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> and if I turn off the CSD, it looks fine | 23:48 |
| valorie | well, we're not going to ship gnome software | 23:48 |
| valorie | no matter how good | 23:48 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> obviously, yeah | 23:49 |
| valorie | !info lollypop | 23:49 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> I wasn't proposing that for you guys :) | 23:49 |
| ubottu | Package lollypop does not exist in bionic | 23:49 |
| valorie | yet | 23:49 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> the guy mark* something who was porting amarok bfore new year seems to have gone quiet again :( | 23:49 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> yeah, I get it from the developer's PPA | 23:49 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> it's also on Flathub | 23:49 |
| valorie | so if people want to use it.... | 23:49 |
| valorie | nggrahaham, this is just an idea, but are you interested in https://phabricator.kde.org/T7523 | 23:52 |
| valorie | ? | 23:52 |
| valorie | Rick who wrote that is having family issues right now (his mother very seriously ill) | 23:53 |
| valorie | but we're very interested in having someone in that role | 23:53 |
| valorie | and it seems you are already thinking along those lines | 23:53 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> Is there money in it? 😉 I have a full-time job but am looking to become employed full-time to work on this stuff, if I can | 23:53 |
| valorie | we have no $ | 23:53 |
| valorie | this is all-volunteer | 23:53 |
| valorie | I mean, we'd love to have some paid development; that is part of what fueled Kubuntu for the first 10 years | 23:54 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> I'll think about it. At the moment I am stretched pretty thin. If I was retired or something, I'd be all over it | 23:54 |
| valorie | but that has gone to neon instead | 23:54 |
| valorie | if you see anyone else as a likely candidate, pass that along | 23:55 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> gotcha! | 23:55 |
| valorie | we want nobody burning out! | 23:55 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> @nggraham what time zone are you? | 23:55 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I wouldn't know what to do with myself if I was paid to work on anything open source and already had a high school diploma :P | 23:55 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> USA mountain time | 23:55 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> heh | 23:56 |
| valorie | tsimonq2: I'm sure you would be plotting to take over the world | 23:56 |
| valorie | ooo, I'm pacific time here | 23:56 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> ok. just so I know. coming up to midnight here in UK, so I will be off soon | 23:56 |
| valorie | south of Seattle | 23:56 |
| valorie | acheronuk: no burnout for you either! | 23:56 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <acheronuk> that's why I'm going to make myself get off here in a minute! | 23:58 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> I'm the sole breadwinner for a family of four right now, so the money angle becomes somewhat important :) | 23:58 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> I'm the sole source of income for a family of four right now, so the money angle becomes somewhat important :) | 23:58 |
| tsimonq2 | valorie: How do you know I haven't taken the world over already? :P | 23:59 |
| IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> I'm in New Mexico | 23:59 |
| valorie | tsimonq2: I see you | 23:59 |
| valorie | lol | 23:59 |
| valorie | acheronuk: sweet dreams! | 23:59 |
| tsimonq2 | Seriously though, if I ever get paid to do FLOSS stuff full time, you should be scared. Think about how much I already do just in my free time... lol | 23:59 |
| acheronuk | tsimonq2: there is still some uncorrected spelling in places | 23:59 |
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