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IrcsomeBot1tomazcanabrava was added by: tomazcanabrava22:37
IrcsomeBot1nggraham was added by: nggraham22:38
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> Hello22:38
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I'm a full-time Kubuntu user, and Valorie invited me here to bring up my list of issues and papercuts with the aim of addressing some of them before the next release22:39
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> prepare for a pastebomb...22:39
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> Major issues … ------------ … - Samba doesn't prompt the user to create a Samba password when first installed, or re-use the existing one … -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1700588 … - On systems based on Ubuntu 16.04 (such as KDE Neon), MS Office documents open as zip archives using Ark when Krusader is installed because of really old version of shared-mime-info … -- https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38499122:39
IrcsomeBot1https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1572244 … Minor issues … ------------ … Ubuntu doesn't compile Okular with text-to-speech capabilities … - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/okular/+bug/1717131 … kde-thumbnailer-openoffice doesn't work in Plasma 5; no ODF previews … - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-thumbnailer-openoffice/+bug/1711566 … Kubuntu Dolphin package's appstream 22:39
IrcsomeBot1instead of its own … - https://phabricator.kde.org/T7717 … Ubuntu doesn't package the Discover Snap backend … - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/1742298 … Feature requests/nice-to-haves … ------------------------------ … - Adopt openSUSE patch that adds high-res icons for Firefox and Thunderbird, so the Large Icons task switcher in KDE Plasma doesn't have ugly icons … --22:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1700588 in samba (Ubuntu) "samba package should be included in the live session/default installation, and create a user+passwords identical to the main user account" [Undecided,Opinion]22:39
IrcsomeBot1https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1715213 … -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/1715214 … In Kubuntu, plasma-discover-flatpak-backend should add flathub repo during installation  … - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/1737645 … Use better font anti-aliasing settings by default … - https://phabricator.kde.org/T761822:39
ubottuKDE bug 384991 in general "Open XML files get opened in Ark instead of LibreOffice (or other specified app)" [Normal,Unconfirmed]22:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1572244 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu requires that the WiFi password be entered twice before WiFi can be used" [Medium,Confirmed]22:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1717131 in okular (Ubuntu) "Compile Okular with libqt5texttospeech5" [Undecided,Confirmed]22:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1711566 in kde-thumbnailer-openoffice (Ubuntu) "[patch] Does not work in Plasma 5" [Undecided,Confirmed]22:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1742298 in plasma-discover (Ubuntu) "Snap backend not packaged" [Undecided,New]22:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1715213 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Adopt openSUSE patch that adds high-res icons for Firefox, so the Large Icons task switcher in KDE Plasma doesn't have an ugly Firefox icon" [Undecided,New]22:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1715214 in mozilla-thunderbird (Ubuntu) "Adopt openSUSE patch that adds high-res icons for Thunderbird, so the Large Icons task switcher in KDE Plasma doesn't have an ugly Thunderbird icon" [Undecided,New]22:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1737645 in plasma-discover (Ubuntu) "plasma-discover-flatpak-backend should add flathub repo during installation" [Undecided,New]22:39
valorienggraham I will try to clean up the paste and send it to the devel list too22:42
valorieas most of our devels are probably already going to sleep right now22:43
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> thank you, and sorry for imposing a formatting clean-up task. I can email it to you directly if you'd like22:43
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> and I should probably join that mailing list22:43
valoriethat would be best, yes22:43
valorieI think the devels will probably end up with a phab task for some22:44
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> done22:44
valorieand the others *might* be easily fixed22:44
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> one is already a Phabricator task :)22:44
valorieoh, add the link to your list!22:44
valoriewe use the KDE phab in Kubuntu as well22:44
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> it's on there! It's the font AA one22:45
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I'll send an email to the list22:45
valorieah, now I see it22:45
valoriemany of our devels also work with neon22:45
valorieso it's a group papercut-fixing /packaging fixing 22:45
valorienot with everything, but lots22:46
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> sent the email!22:50
valoriethanks, @nggraham23:05
valoriewe love user feedback!23:05
valorieand of course always like help fixing stuff as well23:06
valorieodd that plasma-discover isn't snapped23:06
valorieneon prides themselves on doing that post-haste23:06
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> FYI, one of my long-term KDE goals is to make one distro the no-brainer obvious choice for getting KDE software. If want that to be Kubuntu, I'll be more than happy to help a serious effort23:06
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> yeah well, they package Snap, but it doesn't actually work there 😛23:06
valorieI've always wanted that23:07
valorieoh, if there is a package and it doesn't work.....23:07
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> yeah, *everyone* wants that. But it doesn't exist! I've always thought it should be Kubuntu, and I really think it's possible with a bit of spit and polish23:07
valoriemost of use don't like snap much to be frank23:08
valoriebut sitter certainly does!23:08
valorieand so does sgclark23:08
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> personally I'm a Flatpak kind of guy23:09
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> but I don't care which one wins, so long as one does, or else we're back to the same old deb vs rpm thing all over again23:09
valorieI mean, I'm on the neon team too, so those who want that approach, I think it should be the best too23:09
valorieof course23:09
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> Would you like me to file Phabricator tasks for those, or do you want your team to handle it?23:12
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I ash because there are even more aspirational things I'd like to ask for to take Kubuntu to the next level, such as using a picture for the lock and login screens instead of the default ugly blue background23:12
valorielets talk about this on the list, OK23:13
* valorie fires up the email23:13
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> ok23:13
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> @nggraham replied on a couple of those bugs. qttexttospeech is on my mental list to enable, and the snap backend for discover is already turned back on in our packaing for 5.1223:30
valorieacheronuk: \o/23:30
valorieI'm looking at the bugs etc one by one right now23:31
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> never noticed the breeze cursor one, but I don't use that cursor theme generally23:32
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IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> @acheronuk I'm willing to bet that the WiFi password twice bug is PIM23:35
valoriethe PIM folks are going to set up a PIM testing VM on KDE infra soon23:36
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> @valorie, fix it then23:37
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> @tsimonq2, fix it then23:37
valorieso that devels from a few different sub-teams all have simultaneous access to the same running thing23:37
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> @acheronuk, no :P23:37
valorielike the ui people, db people, etc23:37
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Sorry, but I only mess with PIM when it's symbols.23:38
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> :P23:38
valorietsimonq2: if you really think it's PIM, call it out on the bug reports on KDE bugz23:38
valorieso they can test that23:38
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> I struggle to see how it's PIM, but then nothing would surprise me23:38
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> @acheronuk, kwallet23:38
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> urgh. horrible thing23:39
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> I'm willing to put money on it being that :P23:39
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> it is almost certainly KWallet23:39
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> see? :P23:39
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> (we think)23:40
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> kill off both. please!23:40
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> joking.... but only just23:40
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> XD23:40
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> probably won't be able to look at much of this tommorow, but after that and the weekend, maybe23:41
valoriealmost certainly kwallet23:42
valoriebut it Just Works for me, almost always23:42
valorieunfamilar wifi, it does the double thing23:43
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I got it in the Kubuntu live session, but not after installation23:43
valorieso annoying23:43
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> current theory is that this only happens when the KWallet PAM module isn't set up properly or something23:43
valoriebut as the BRs say, *some* wifi23:43
valorienot all23:43
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> in other distros, I got it all the time23:43
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> kwallet is one of the things I fisrt kill off on a personal install, along with baloo23:43
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> FWIW I've recruited someone to patch up baloo23:44
valorienever had a problem with either of 'em23:44
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> check out the commit log: https://cgit.kde.org/baloo.git/23:44
valorienggraham \o/23:44
valoriebecause it is sometimes a problem for others23:44
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> right23:44
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> it works great for me, but I totally agree that it needs major work, since others hate it and have terrible experiences23:44
valorievish is a genius but he caught so much flack.... it just killed his motivation eventually23:45
valoriedan is tough23:45
valorieI mean he works on PIM23:45
valorieMichael Heidelbach -- is that your recruit?23:46
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> @nggraham, wow. some movement. someone on #plasma a while back wasn't sure it was even maintained now23:46
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> yep23:46
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I've been mentoring him23:46
valorieit would be great to have that maintained again23:46
valoriebecause it gets better and better imo23:47
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> it is technically maintainerless, but we are hoping to rehab it with community contributions and eventually attract a new formal maintainer23:47
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> same with Gwenview, which is farther along in that process23:47
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> *cough* Amarok? *cough* *cough*23:47
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> that one's probably long dead23:48
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> to be honest, I actually use Lollypop on my machine23:48
valorieI hope not, but I fear it's true23:48
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> it may be made for GNOME, but it is magnificent23:48
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> and if I turn off the CSD, it looks fine23:48
valoriewell, we're not going to ship gnome software23:48
valorieno matter how good23:48
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> obviously, yeah23:49
valorie!info lollypop23:49
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I wasn't proposing that for you guys :)23:49
ubottuPackage lollypop does not exist in bionic23:49
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> the guy mark* something who was porting amarok bfore new year seems to have gone quiet again :(23:49
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> yeah, I get it from the developer's PPA23:49
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> it's also on Flathub23:49
valorieso if people want to use it....23:49
valorienggrahaham, this is just an idea, but are you interested in https://phabricator.kde.org/T752323:52
valorieRick who wrote that is having family issues right now (his mother very seriously ill)23:53
valoriebut we're very interested in having someone in that role23:53
valorieand it seems you are already thinking along those lines23:53
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> Is there money in it? 😉 I have a full-time job but am looking to become employed full-time to work on this stuff, if I can23:53
valoriewe have no $23:53
valoriethis is all-volunteer23:53
valorieI mean, we'd love to have some paid development; that is part of what fueled Kubuntu for the first 10 years23:54
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I'll think about it. At the moment I am stretched pretty thin. If I was retired or something, I'd be all over it23:54
valoriebut that has gone to neon instead23:54
valorieif you see anyone else as a likely candidate, pass that along23:55
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> gotcha!23:55
valoriewe want nobody burning out!23:55
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> @nggraham what time zone are you?23:55
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> I wouldn't know what to do with myself if I was paid to work on anything open source and already had a high school diploma :P23:55
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> USA mountain time23:55
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> heh23:56
valorietsimonq2: I'm sure you would be plotting to take over the world23:56
valorieooo, I'm pacific time here23:56
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> ok. just so I know. coming up to midnight here in UK, so I will be off soon23:56
valoriesouth of Seattle23:56
valorieacheronuk: no burnout for you either!23:56
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> that's why I'm going to make myself get off here in a minute!23:58
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I'm the sole breadwinner for a family of four right now, so the money angle becomes somewhat important :)23:58
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I'm the sole source of income for a family of four right now, so the money angle becomes somewhat important :)23:58
tsimonq2valorie: How do you know I haven't taken the world over already? :P23:59
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I'm in New Mexico23:59
valorietsimonq2: I see you23:59
valorieacheronuk: sweet dreams!23:59
tsimonq2Seriously though, if I ever get paid to do FLOSS stuff full time, you should be scared. Think about how much I already do just in my free time... lol23:59
acheronuktsimonq2: there is still some uncorrected spelling in places23:59

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