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[11:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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[22:37] <IrcsomeBot1> tomazcanabrava was added by: tomazcanabrava
[22:38] <IrcsomeBot1> nggraham was added by: nggraham
 Hello
 I'm a full-time Kubuntu user, and Valorie invited me here to bring up my list of issues and papercuts with the aim of addressing some of them before the next release
 prepare for a pastebomb...
 Major issues … ------------ … - Samba doesn't prompt the user to create a Samba password when first installed, or re-use the existing one … -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1700588 … - On systems based on Ubuntu 16.04 (such as KDE Neon), MS Office documents open as zip archives using Ark when Krusader is installed because of really old version of shared-mime-info … -- https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384991 …
[22:39] <IrcsomeBot1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1572244 … Minor issues … ------------ … Ubuntu doesn't compile Okular with text-to-speech capabilities … - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/okular/+bug/1717131 … kde-thumbnailer-openoffice doesn't work in Plasma 5; no ODF previews … - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-thumbnailer-openoffice/+bug/1711566 … Kubuntu Dolphin package's appstream 
[22:39] <IrcsomeBot1> instead of its own … - https://phabricator.kde.org/T7717 … Ubuntu doesn't package the Discover Snap backend … - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/1742298 … Feature requests/nice-to-haves … ------------------------------ … - Adopt openSUSE patch that adds high-res icons for Firefox and Thunderbird, so the Large Icons task switcher in KDE Plasma doesn't have ugly icons … --
[22:39] <IrcsomeBot1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1715213 … -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/1715214 … In Kubuntu, plasma-discover-flatpak-backend should add flathub repo during installation  … - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/1737645 … Use better font anti-aliasing settings by default … - https://phabricator.kde.org/T7618
[22:42] <valorie> nggraham I will try to clean up the paste and send it to the devel list too
[22:43] <valorie> as most of our devels are probably already going to sleep right now
 thank you, and sorry for imposing a formatting clean-up task. I can email it to you directly if you'd like
 and I should probably join that mailing list
[22:43] <valorie> that would be best, yes
[22:44] <valorie> I think the devels will probably end up with a phab task for some
 done
[22:44] <valorie> and the others *might* be easily fixed
 one is already a Phabricator task :)
[22:44] <valorie> oh, add the link to your list!
[22:44] <valorie> we use the KDE phab in Kubuntu as well
 it's on there! It's the font AA one
 I'll send an email to the list
[22:45] <valorie> ah, now I see it
[22:45] <valorie> many of our devels also work with neon
[22:45] <valorie> so it's a group papercut-fixing /packaging fixing 
[22:46] <valorie> not with everything, but lots
 sent the email!
[23:05] <valorie> thanks, @nggraham
[23:05] <valorie> we love user feedback!
[23:06] <valorie> and of course always like help fixing stuff as well
[23:06] <valorie> odd that plasma-discover isn't snapped
[23:06] <valorie> neon prides themselves on doing that post-haste
 FYI, one of my long-term KDE goals is to make one distro the no-brainer obvious choice for getting KDE software. If want that to be Kubuntu, I'll be more than happy to help a serious effort
 yeah well, they package Snap, but it doesn't actually work there 😛
[23:07] <valorie> I've always wanted that
[23:07] <valorie> oh, if there is a package and it doesn't work.....
 yeah, *everyone* wants that. But it doesn't exist! I've always thought it should be Kubuntu, and I really think it's possible with a bit of spit and polish
[23:08] <valorie> most of use don't like snap much to be frank
[23:08] <valorie> but sitter certainly does!
[23:08] <valorie> and so does sgclark
 personally I'm a Flatpak kind of guy
 but I don't care which one wins, so long as one does, or else we're back to the same old deb vs rpm thing all over again
[23:09] <valorie> I mean, I'm on the neon team too, so those who want that approach, I think it should be the best too
[23:09] <valorie> of course
 Would you like me to file Phabricator tasks for those, or do you want your team to handle it?
 I ash because there are even more aspirational things I'd like to ask for to take Kubuntu to the next level, such as using a picture for the lock and login screens instead of the default ugly blue background
[23:13] <valorie> lets talk about this on the list, OK
[23:13]  * valorie fires up the email
 ok
 @nggraham replied on a couple of those bugs. qttexttospeech is on my mental list to enable, and the snap backend for discover is already turned back on in our packaing for 5.12
[23:30] <valorie> acheronuk: \o/
[23:31] <valorie> I'm looking at the bugs etc one by one right now
 never noticed the breeze cursor one, but I don't use that cursor theme generally
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 @acheronuk I'm willing to bet that the WiFi password twice bug is PIM
[23:36] <valorie> the PIM folks are going to set up a PIM testing VM on KDE infra soon
 @valorie, fix it then
 @tsimonq2, fix it then
[23:37] <valorie> so that devels from a few different sub-teams all have simultaneous access to the same running thing
 @acheronuk, no :P
[23:37] <valorie> like the ui people, db people, etc
 Sorry, but I only mess with PIM when it's symbols.
 :P
[23:38] <valorie> tsimonq2: if you really think it's PIM, call it out on the bug reports on KDE bugz
[23:38] <valorie> so they can test that
 I struggle to see how it's PIM, but then nothing would surprise me
 @acheronuk, kwallet
 urgh. horrible thing
 I'm willing to put money on it being that :P
 it is almost certainly KWallet
 see? :P
 (we think)
 kill off both. please!
 joking.... but only just
 XD
 probably won't be able to look at much of this tommorow, but after that and the weekend, maybe
[23:42] <valorie> almost certainly kwallet
[23:42] <valorie> but it Just Works for me, almost always
[23:43] <valorie> unfamilar wifi, it does the double thing
 I got it in the Kubuntu live session, but not after installation
[23:43] <valorie> so annoying
 current theory is that this only happens when the KWallet PAM module isn't set up properly or something
[23:43] <valorie> but as the BRs say, *some* wifi
[23:43] <valorie> not all
 in other distros, I got it all the time
 kwallet is one of the things I fisrt kill off on a personal install, along with baloo
 FWIW I've recruited someone to patch up baloo
[23:44] <valorie> never had a problem with either of 'em
 check out the commit log: https://cgit.kde.org/baloo.git/
[23:44] <valorie> nggraham \o/
[23:44] <valorie> because it is sometimes a problem for others
 right
 it works great for me, but I totally agree that it needs major work, since others hate it and have terrible experiences
[23:45] <valorie> vish is a genius but he caught so much flack.... it just killed his motivation eventually
[23:45] <valorie> dan is tough
[23:45] <valorie> I mean he works on PIM
[23:46] <valorie> Michael Heidelbach -- is that your recruit?
 @nggraham, wow. some movement. someone on #plasma a while back wasn't sure it was even maintained now
 yep
 I've been mentoring him
[23:46] <valorie> awesome
[23:46] <valorie> it would be great to have that maintained again
[23:47] <valorie> because it gets better and better imo
 it is technically maintainerless, but we are hoping to rehab it with community contributions and eventually attract a new formal maintainer
 same with Gwenview, which is farther along in that process
[23:47] <valorie> \o/
 *cough* Amarok? *cough* *cough*
 that one's probably long dead
 to be honest, I actually use Lollypop on my machine
[23:48] <valorie> I hope not, but I fear it's true
 it may be made for GNOME, but it is magnificent
 and if I turn off the CSD, it looks fine
[23:48] <valorie> well, we're not going to ship gnome software
[23:48] <valorie> no matter how good
 obviously, yeah
[23:49] <valorie> !info lollypop
 I wasn't proposing that for you guys :)
[23:49] <valorie> yet
 the guy mark* something who was porting amarok bfore new year seems to have gone quiet again :(
 yeah, I get it from the developer's PPA
 it's also on Flathub
[23:49] <valorie> so if people want to use it....
[23:52] <valorie> nggrahaham, this is just an idea, but are you interested in https://phabricator.kde.org/T7523
[23:52] <valorie> ?
[23:53] <valorie> Rick who wrote that is having family issues right now (his mother very seriously ill)
[23:53] <valorie> but we're very interested in having someone in that role
[23:53] <valorie> and it seems you are already thinking along those lines
 Is there money in it? 😉 I have a full-time job but am looking to become employed full-time to work on this stuff, if I can
[23:53] <valorie> we have no $
[23:53] <valorie> this is all-volunteer
[23:54] <valorie> I mean, we'd love to have some paid development; that is part of what fueled Kubuntu for the first 10 years
 I'll think about it. At the moment I am stretched pretty thin. If I was retired or something, I'd be all over it
[23:54] <valorie> but that has gone to neon instead
[23:55] <valorie> if you see anyone else as a likely candidate, pass that along
 gotcha!
[23:55] <valorie> we want nobody burning out!
 @nggraham what time zone are you?
 I wouldn't know what to do with myself if I was paid to work on anything open source and already had a high school diploma :P
 USA mountain time
 heh
[23:56] <valorie> tsimonq2: I'm sure you would be plotting to take over the world
[23:56] <valorie> ooo, I'm pacific time here
 ok. just so I know. coming up to midnight here in UK, so I will be off soon
[23:56] <valorie> south of Seattle
[23:56] <valorie> acheronuk: no burnout for you either!
 that's why I'm going to make myself get off here in a minute!
 I'm the sole breadwinner for a family of four right now, so the money angle becomes somewhat important :)
 I'm the sole source of income for a family of four right now, so the money angle becomes somewhat important :)
[23:59] <tsimonq2> valorie: How do you know I haven't taken the world over already? :P
 I'm in New Mexico
[23:59] <valorie> tsimonq2: I see you
[23:59] <valorie> lol
[23:59] <valorie> acheronuk: sweet dreams!
[23:59] <tsimonq2> Seriously though, if I ever get paid to do FLOSS stuff full time, you should be scared. Think about how much I already do just in my free time... lol
[23:59] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: there is still some uncorrected spelling in places