| tgBot1 | <Stereofont> @tatyhander, I have one, so I wish, but unfortunately no. The only Moto is the G Titan from 2014 | 00:10 |
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| tgBot1 | <tatyhander> i cry cry | 00:11 |
| tgBot1 | <Stereofont> There is Lineage for it | 00:17 |
| tgBot1 | <wayneoutthere> @KrisJacewicz, cool. my sister loves Qwerty Town USA | 02:02 |
| tgBot1 | <Crash_Burn> @Flohack, Welcome to the US. If there is anything we can do to make your stay more enjoyable let us know. 😂 | 02:06 |
| tgBot1 | <UniversalSuperBox> @Crash_Burn, How about "let him work less than 10 hours per day" | 02:07 |
| tgBot1 | <Flohack> lol | 02:23 |
| tgBot1 | <Flohack> put more cell towers for my OPO or P2 | 02:24 |
| tgBot1 | <Flohack> I have no reception in the hotel or at my workplace, but only in the car in ebtween | 02:36 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> get out of the mountains | 02:59 |
| tgBot1 | <Flohack> I am at the Ohio river, not really mountains here | 03:15 |
| tgBot1 | <Flohack> Its just WTF that T-Mobile does not have Verizon as partner | 03:19 |
| tgBot1 | <Flohack> And At&T is very weak here | 03:19 |
| tgBot1 | <UniversalSuperBox> @Flohack, They're competitors | 03:21 |
| tgBot1 | <UniversalSuperBox> Verizon doesn't need partners, they've practically covered the entire US | 03:21 |
| tgBot1 | <Flohack> And? T-Mobile should take more into consideration what is the coverage | 03:21 |
| tgBot1 | <UniversalSuperBox> There's nothing T-Mobile can offer Verizon | 03:22 |
| tgBot1 | <Flohack> well except lots of Europen people coming to us and spending their money for roaming | 03:22 |
| tgBot1 | <UniversalSuperBox> I don't think that's as lucrative as $60/month or so per person | 03:23 |
| tgBot1 | <UniversalSuperBox> Who lives here | 03:23 |
| tgBot1 | <UniversalSuperBox> So... I get you. But it's not meant to be. Bell's gettin' back together and they're gonna need lots of money to do it! | 03:24 |
| tgBot1 | <Flohack> lol | 03:26 |
| tgBot1 | <Flohack> If we would stay longer here we would get local SIMs. But for one week no | 03:27 |
| tgBot1 | <Flohack> Even WorldSim has only AT&T in US, and they have a lot of customers worldwide. Its really stang | 03:27 |
| tgBot1 | <Flohack> strange | 03:27 |
| tgBot1 | <Flohack> Going fully off-topic now: I hate the itinerary | 03:30 |
| tgBot1 | <Ern_st> @UniversalSuperBox, with a lot of difficulty i'm staying at 30$/month, no data 😅 | 04:50 |
| tgBot1 | <TartanSpartan> @Flohack query regarding the fact that you and @UniversalSuperBox seemed to be saying a conversation would have to be had, and urgently, regarding the future of uNav's routing solution, but @dohbee says developer M Costales had sole decision on that with the change to OSMR in the recent update. | 05:46 |
| tgBot1 | <TartanSpartan> *OSRM | 05:46 |
| tgBot1 | <Stereofont> @TartanSpartan, The original service goes down on 1 February. Any solution at all was great to have! | 09:21 |
| tgBot1 | <neothethird> osrm was the fallback-service before and was already implemented | 09:32 |
| tgBot1 | <neothethird> also, since costales is the creator of unav, he's of course in a position where he can make decisions on his own | 09:34 |
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| tgBot1 | <padraic7a> Of interest: KDE have made Plasma Mobile available on an iso: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/kde-plasma-mobile-download-virtualbox | 10:43 |
| tgBot1 | <padraic7a> Interesting idea. I know Unity 8 is available to run in a vm, and that Yunit had it available for Debian. | 10:44 |
| tgBot1 | <padraic7a> I wonder if making it available as an iso would gather much interest? | 10:44 |
| tgBot1 | <KrisJacewicz> the thing is, in order for it to mimic phone scenario, it would need to be able to run in staged mode by default, but now, afaik, if you package it it will run in windowed mode in a vm | 10:49 |
| tgBot1 | <KrisJacewicz> kde plasma do not have these two modes afaik, right @bhushanshah ? | 10:50 |
| tgBot1 | <padraic7a> ah, that's a good point. | 10:53 |
| tgBot1 | <padraic7a> In theory you could create an iso of Unity 8 on Ubuntu 16.04 and force staged mode with ``gsettings set com.canonical.Unity8 usage-mode Staged```` though I think? … ref http://notyetthere.org/unity8-windowed-mode/] | 10:56 |
| tgBot1 | <TartanSpartan> I see, thank you guys for the insight. | 11:07 |
| tgBot1 | <KrisJacewicz> @padraic7a, i guess, unless mir on desktop has some characteristics that would prevent this | 11:10 |
| tgBot1 | <alan_griffiths> @KrisJacewicz, Mir doesn't. But I don't know if the rush to get Unity8 ready for the "desktop preview" introduced some hidden assumptions about shell modes and available input devices. | 11:20 |
| tgBot1 | <KrisJacewicz> @alan_griffiths, good point | 11:21 |
| zleap | hi | 11:32 |
| tgBot1 | <Stereofont> Hi Zleap | 11:33 |
| zleap | hi | 11:35 |
| zleap | trying to work out if we can install ubuntu touch on a scroll excel 2 tablet | 11:35 |
| tgBot1 | <alan_griffiths> @padraic7a, Creating a desktop iso for unity8 on 16.04 based on the UBports packages could generates some publicity and be useful for some experimentation. But it shouldn't distract from the current effort to migrate the phone stack. … It's a new project for some new devs. | 11:36 |
| tgBot1 | <padraic7a> Sure, that makes sense. | 11:36 |
| tgBot1 | settedraghi was added by: settedraghi | 12:01 |
| tgBot1 | <settedraghi> Work Ubuntu on Samsung Nexus i9250? | 12:02 |
| tgBot1 | <TronFortyTwo> @rosso … Welcome to the party!🎉 … Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for some useful information and also the answer to your question | 12:05 |
| tgBot1 | <delijati> @alan_griffiths, +1 | 12:16 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> @settedraghi, I think there are no Samsung ports at the moment. Maybe you could port halium to it? | 12:39 |
| tgBot1 | <settedraghi> @dohbee, Ok tx | 12:40 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> @alan_griffiths, I am not sure but there is some funky code to auto guess the starting mode | 12:41 |
| tgBot1 | <Stereofont> @dohbee, Florian is getting somewhere with Samsung S3 Neon but that is the only Samsung I have heard about so far | 12:59 |
| tgBot1 | <sudanisayfree> Ubuntu touch & IOT | 15:30 |
| tgBot1 | Johan_k was added by: Johan_k | 16:10 |
| tgBot1 | <Johan_k> Hello people, I've owned a meizu mx4 but I couldn't use it as a dd because video calling wasn't possible. … I've heard it's possible now with umatrix, is that right? | 16:12 |
| tgBot1 | <Crash_Burn> @Johan_k, Yes thats right... I've been using it now to video call my wife. Works very well. | 16:19 |
| tgBot1 | <Crash_Burn> https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/umatriks.mariogrip.test | 16:20 |
| tgBot1 | <Johan_k> @Crash_Burn, Thanks, I'm going to buy a Ubuntu phone. … I guess the oneplus one is the best choice. | 16:23 |
| tgBot1 | <Daniel> @DanChapman in the OpenStore there is Dekko2 1.5. On my phone I have 1.6, which integrates posteo accounts into my inbox, which is really very nice. I think you posted a link (which I can't find anymore to 1.6). As I'd like to use it on my tablet, could you re-post the link? On my phone it works really well! | 16:30 |
| tgBot1 | <DanChapman> https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/dekko/issues/66#note_53615131 | 16:30 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> we need the search feature in Telegram for UT 😁 | 16:41 |
| tgBot1 | Milan was added by: Milan | 17:04 |
| tgBot1 | <Milan> Hi all. I have nexus 5 witnh dark rom and TWRP. Do I have to revert to stock 6.0 to be able to run Ubuntu touch? I waaa | 17:07 |
| tgBot1 | <Milan> I want to install with ubports | 17:07 |
| tgBot1 | <TronFortyTwo> @Milan … Welcome to the party!🎉 … Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for some useful informations | 17:12 |
| tgBot1 | <TronFortyTwo> About your question, probably someone in the installation and welcome group (join link is in the link) can answer you | 17:13 |
| tgBot1 | <Milan> Ok tnx | 17:14 |
| tgBot1 | <Daniel> @DanChapman, Thank you very much! For the link and for the work on Dekko ☺ | 17:34 |
| tgBot1 | <TronFortyTwo> @Milan, np | 17:36 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> @Milan, No. Ubports replaces the recovery and os anyway. If you have any data, you should back it up first. | 17:41 |
| tgBot1 | <Milan> @dohbee, Thank you. | 17:44 |
| tgBot1 | <KingJamez> @Johan_k, The oneplus is a great device. You will love it. | 17:45 |
| tgBot1 | <KingJamez> @Milan, No. Everything will be wiped when you load UT | 17:46 |
| tgBot1 | <Johan_k> @KingJamez, A thanks I was having doubts between the oneplus one and fairphone 2 | 17:48 |
| tgBot1 | <KingJamez> @Johan_k, I dont have a fairphone to judge. But the one plus works good. And looks great. I currently use it as DD | 17:50 |
| tgBot1 | <KingJamez> @Johan_k, There is an how to install video on youtube. Just search ubports and look through the video. any other questions just ask. | 17:52 |
| tgBot1 | <Johan_k> @KingJamez, Thanks 👍 | 17:55 |
| tgBot1 | <Johan_k> @KingJamez, Just to bad I can't use 4G but I can live with that. | 17:58 |
| tgBot1 | <KingJamez> Why not. I do | 17:58 |
| tgBot1 | <Johan_k> @KingJamez, My provider use the 800MHz band | 18:00 |
| tgBot1 | <KingJamez> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/K6s1XHpS/file_3945.jpg | 18:01 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> doesn't have right frequencies maybe? | 18:01 |
| tgBot1 | <Johan_k> @dohbee, That's it, it doesn't support the 800MHZ | 18:03 |
| tgBot1 | <KingJamez> @Johan_k, May I suggest the D820 US nexus 5. It has 800 for hspa+ | 18:05 |
| tgBot1 | <Johan_k> @KingJamez, Yes but it's smaller and less storage, i've got a nexus 5x but I don't like it. | 18:10 |
| tgBot1 | <wayneoutthere> @KingJamez, Jaaaaaaames is back! You went MIA for a while. Welcome back ;) | 18:11 |
| tgBot1 | <KingJamez> @Johan_k, If its size you want. OPO is the right choice. | 18:12 |
| tgBot1 | <KingJamez> @wayneoutthere, Just been busy. | 18:13 |
| tgBot1 | <Johan_k> @KingJamez, Yes I'll try the OPO thanks for the advice 👍 | 18:13 |
| tgBot1 | <TartanSpartan> If you want a memory card though go for Meizu Pro 5. | 18:14 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> if it's size you want, you can just install a GSM modem in a laptop | 18:15 |
| tgBot1 | <Johan_k> @TartanSpartan, Yes I would like a pro 5 but I can't find one | 18:16 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> the pro 5 is also ginormous indeed | 18:16 |
| tgBot1 | <Johan_k> @dohbee, That's a bit to much 😂 I've got a samsung note 3 right now, that's a nice size | 18:17 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> way too big | 18:19 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> i have a laptop that's smaller | 18:19 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> @alan_griffiths, I wouldn't even create an ISO. I'd create an EFI-bootable disk image, sort of like the snappy core image, but built similar to the phone images. RO rootfs, overlay mounts, unity8 and stack suitable for x86 | 18:28 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> hard part would be fixing it so sane resolutions can be used, because 1024x768 is kind of awful | 18:28 |
| tgBot1 | <TartanSpartan> This is where I bought mine, the price is absolutely killer: | 18:34 |
| tgBot1 | <TartanSpartan> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/90-new-Meizu-PRO-5-64GB-4gbRAM-LTE-Unlocked-DualSIM-21Mcam-NFC-FastCharge/272196027342?hash=item3f6025c3ce:g:HCkAAOSwZtJW9UVP | 18:34 |
| tgBot1 | <Johan_k> @TartanSpartan, really nice price :) | 18:44 |
| tgBot1 | <j2g2rp> @Javacookies, it's inplemented in the scope | 18:59 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> really? I didn't know that … i'll try it now :) | 19:42 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> well, scopes are for searching things. a scope that can't search things is kind of useless :) | 20:47 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> but I can't really search everything, only from the ones already displayed in the scope | 20:49 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> really? | 20:49 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> yes | 20:49 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> is it supposed to? I mean does it work like that before? | 20:50 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> well searching just runs the scope and tells it to search what you typed | 20:53 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> i've never used it so i don't know if it ever did what you're expecting it to do. maybe need to select a different category in the search? | 20:54 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> I guess it searches but only displays very limited results | 20:59 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> err....scopes was never implemented into its full potential...I liked it idea though | 21:00 |
| tgBot1 | <YougoChats> @DanChapman there seems to be a bit of confusion about dekko 2's future features in the Dutch group. is it true that as of inboxes of multiple accounts are all thrown together in the all inboxes tab, and are no longer able to be viewed separately? | 21:06 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> I'm not Dan, but you can view them separately in the side menu … the all inbox has a dropdown and also in the folder section, you can view each account separately | 21:07 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> @Javacookies, Eh, the main issue was that the UX that got implemented was really bad for how scopes work. The whole dash and scopes thing was never really good | 21:10 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> scopes and HUD, two things I liked in Unity that were not utilized to their full potential...oh well, let's hope someone will pick them up and make them actually great :D | 21:16 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> or just get rid of the dash and scopes ;) | 21:21 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> as long as there's a good replacement 😄 | 21:23 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> but I'd still want HUD no matter what....so much easier to do things if you can just search for them, it can even be intergated to voice/AI assistant :D | 21:24 |
| tgBot1 | <YougoChats> @Javacookies, in version 0.1.5 that's trrue, i have that installaed, but there is talk of that featue being dropped in v0.1.6 | 21:24 |
| tgBot1 | <YougoChats> so i decided to check with @DanChapman | 21:25 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> nope, I don't think that will happen, there's no reason to do that … I have the unreleased 0.1.6 version and it's still have those features | 21:26 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> maybe some were confused because the bug was named like "Merging all inbox into All Inbox" 0.1.6 was associated with this bug | 21:27 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> but in reality, there's just a bug where some inbox does not merge in the All Inboxes view which 0.1.6 fixes ;) | 21:27 |
| tgBot1 | <YougoChats> oh ok. my next question was going to be Why u no separat mails !1 | 21:28 |
| tgBot1 | <YougoChats> bu all is fine😊 | 21:28 |
| tgBot1 | <YougoChats> thanks for clearing that up. | 21:29 |
| tgBot1 | <YougoChats> @DanChapman [solved] | 21:29 |
| tgBot1 | <Javacookies> of course I'm not 100% sure with all the things I said but I'm pretty confident 😅 | 21:30 |
| tgBot1 | <YougoChats> good enough for now 👍 | 21:32 |
| tgBot1 | <YougoChats> i can always come back raise a stinker and demand my money back based on my warranty subscription at a later time | 21:33 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> Hey guys.. whats the status of 16.04 on bq m10 fhd? | 21:54 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> still devel | 21:58 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> it'll be devel until it's not :) | 21:58 |
| tgBot1 | <Stereofont> @tylnesh, There is a call for testing but expect a very bumpy road. Only use second (or third) device … | 22:11 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> hmm, cant install it with ubportst-installer | 22:11 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> its my second device, no problem with that | 22:11 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> you can switch to it directly on the device | 22:11 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> really? how so? | 22:12 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> `sudo system-image-cli -vvvv --switch ubports-touch/16.04/devel` | 22:12 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> btw, is anybody of you guys going to fosdem? | 22:12 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> ok, gonna try it now | 22:12 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> do I have to do it via ssh, or the terminal app is enough? | 22:13 |
| tgBot1 | <Stereofont> @tylnesh, Diogo is pulling things together there | 22:13 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> oh right | 22:13 |
| tgBot1 | <Stereofont> @tylnesh, @DiogoConstantino | 22:13 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> Yeah, I forgot he's one of you :D | 22:14 |
| tgBot1 | <Stereofont> 😉 | 22:14 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> @tylnesh, should work in terminal app, but via ssh might be easier to type or such. | 22:14 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> hmm | 22:17 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> sme assertion errors | 22:17 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> [systemmag] ... (6701) uncaught exception in state machine | 22:18 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> ....yadayadayada... … . … . … . | 22:19 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> assertionerror: Missing destination files /var/lib/system-image/keyring.tar.xz | 22:19 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> Errno 13 Premission denied: 'proc' | 22:20 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> do i have to clean my root folder? | 22:20 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> no | 22:21 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> did you run the command i pasted, as sudo? or without sudo? | 22:21 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> sudo | 22:21 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> hmm | 22:22 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> and it spits out lotsa python errors | 22:22 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> not sure why. try again? should have worked | 22:22 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> tried 3 times already | 22:22 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> hmm, worked ok for @TartanSpartan the other day | 22:23 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> My install is pretty rubish atm, though, few apps like telegram won't even run and browser is crashing constantly | 22:23 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> I messed with it quite a bit, installing packages, changing reposiories etc. | 22:23 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> that sounds like you're already on 16.04 | 22:24 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> oh hmm | 22:24 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> I tried to build Firefox on the device :D | 22:24 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> how can I check if Im on 16.04? | 22:24 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> `system-image-cli -i` | 22:24 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> or System Settings -> About | 22:25 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> also, I wanted to nuke and pave, but ubports-installer doesnt see my device at all, even though I can adb into it | 22:25 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> what OS are you flashing it from on your PC? | 22:25 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> nah still 15.04 | 22:25 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> I'm running 16.04 on my laptop | 22:25 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> I used it to flash android and Ubports multiple times already and it always worked | 22:26 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> that's partialy why I am so lost right now | 22:26 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> ok, maybe you can use `ubuntu-device-flash` instead of the installer then | 22:26 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> but you will need the special recovery image for freiza | 22:27 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> should I try ubuntu-device-flash? | 22:27 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> can you give me a lik to that? | 22:27 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> it's in the archive :) | 22:28 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> you can apt install it | 22:28 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> I mean the special recovery image | 22:29 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> I was already installing it as you were typing :) | 22:29 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> oh | 22:31 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> query —device frieza —list-channels got me a bunch of ubuntu-touch channels | 22:33 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> but no ubports | 22:33 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> you need --server with the ubports url | 22:33 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> oh, whats the url? just basic ubports.com? | 22:34 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> https://system-image.ubports.com/ | 22:34 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> so, whats the syntax? | 22:34 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> ubuntu-device-flash install —device frieza —server https://system-image.ubports.com —channel ubports-touch/16.04/devel | 22:36 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> ? | 22:36 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> `ubuntu-device-flash --server https://system-image.ubports.com/ touch --channel ubports-touch/16.04/devel`i think | 22:38 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> and the device needs to be in fastboot? | 22:39 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> http://people.canonical.com/~abeato/avila/recovery-frieza.img | 22:42 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> didnt work without the frieza | 22:42 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> huh? | 22:42 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> What should I do with that image? | 22:43 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> you need to pass it to the --recovery-image option | 22:43 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> which goes after `touch` | 22:43 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> I had to specify the —device frieza otherwise it wouldnt run | 22:45 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> You know what, I'll try it at fosdem :) | 22:46 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> Need to get some sleep before going to work :) | 22:46 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> thanks for your help@ | 22:46 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> what did it say? | 22:47 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> ok | 22:47 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> it started downloading | 22:47 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> the images | 22:47 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> but with a strange tremor | 22:47 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> like it would jump up and down on the progressbar | 22:47 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> but slowly progressing | 22:47 |
| tgBot1 | <tylnesh> good night | 22:48 |
| tgBot1 | <dohbee> oh yeah, the progress bar is not great | 22:48 |
| tgBot1 | <chhahn> two weeks ago, when i flashed my m10fhd, i found everything you had to tell him now on the ubport home page. | 23:01 |
| tgBot1 | <chhahn> seems to be gone now | 23:01 |
| tgBot1 | <chhahn> anyway, i had a problem when flashing the m10fhd, which could be solved by following this thread … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/263/can-t-get-the-m10-fhd-to-take-the-flash | 23:03 |
| tgBot1 | <j2g2rp> @Javacookies, I'm not sure but I think that it worked better before but i never used it too much. Maybe a couple of times. | 23:38 |
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