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jameshkenvandine: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/lack-of-compiled-locales-breaks-gettext-based-localisation/3758 <- lets see what feedback we get01:34
jameshkenvandine: I01:34
jamesh'm starting to wonder if we should do a gnome/desktop base snap at some point01:34
jameshit might be more convenient than the separate platform snap01:35
kenvandinejamesh, i've considered that01:37
kenvandinejamesh, what do you think it would take to get a classic snap to utilize a content interface?01:39
kenvandinei assume right now the limitation is classic snaps don't really use interfaces at all01:40
jameshkenvandine: impossible01:40
jameshthe whole point of classic snaps is to run in the host system mount namespace unmolested01:40
kenvandineyeah, but i'd like to be able to save some space in my snap :)01:40
jameshand content interface involve adding bind mounts to the private mount ns01:41
kenvandineyeah01:41
kenvandinewhich seems pointless for a classic snap01:41
kenvandinebut it would be nice to be able to trim some of these things down01:41
jameshkenvandine: well, you could always check whether /snap/gnome-3-26-1604/current exists01:41
kenvandinethe gnome snaps are tiny now01:41
kenvandineoh good point01:42
kenvandinehacky :)01:42
jameshno AppArmor profile to prevent you from poking in the other snap's data01:42
kenvandinemy gnome-software classic snap is nearly 100M01:42
kenvandinejamesh, will we be able to use portals to allow a snap exec another snap?01:43
kenvandinelike gnome-software's launch function01:43
kenvandinei'd like to eventually get this into a confined snap01:43
kenvandinebut that's not realistic for 18.0401:44
jameshkenvandine: I'm not sure.  Can you launch apps via regular xdg-open?01:46
kenvandineyes01:46
kenvandinebut gnome-software uses the Exec line in the desktop file, i think01:47
kenvandinefor installation we really just need interfaces to talk to packagekit and snapd01:48
kenvandinebut the exec thing i think is a tougher problem to solve01:48
kenvandinejamesh, btw this morning i was nudging zyga and mvo on getting snapd branches landed sooner than later01:50
kenvandinebasically reminding them that we have a feature freeze coming up in just about a month01:50
jameshkenvandine: yeah.  And jdstrand revirewed my user-mounts branch.  He's going to be here later this week, so hopefully we can get that one resolved.01:51
kenvandinecool01:51
kenvandinejamesh, don't forget the GOA PR01:51
jameshyep.01:51
kenvandineand if you could please take my EDS interface the rest of the way :)01:51
kenvandineall things we'd like in before feature freeze01:52
kenvandinewe want to ship gnome-contacts and gnome-calendar by default01:52
kenvandineboth need eds and goa01:52
kenvandinejamesh, and we're planning to ship gnome-software as a classic snap too01:53
jameshkenvandine: cool.  That should reduce the pain of releasing for old versions01:54
kenvandineyeah01:55
kenvandinewe'll still need to maintain SRUs for 16.04 for a while01:55
kenvandinebut going forward we'll have one code base01:56
kenvandinerobert_ancell, https://imgur.com/a/abkKu01:56
kenvandinerobert_ancell, in 16.04 when browsing categories there was a grouping there that included "Featured"01:57
kenvandinethat "Featured" grouping isn't available in 17.10 or bionic01:57
kenvandinerobert_ancell, any idea why?01:57
kenvandinerobert_ancell, basically we want it :-D01:57
kenvandinejamesh, how was day 1?01:57
kenvandinejamesh, tell sergio i said i still need to be able to build for bionic with snapcraft01:59
* kenvandine has been nagging him daily01:59
kenvandinewe need base-18 support (to be renamed core18)02:00
jameshkenvandine: it's been good so far.  It sounds like the extended scriptlet support might actually happen, which should let us automate the desktop-laucnh startup improvements for the non-gnome-platform apps02:02
jameshthere's interest from elopio about gnome-builder, so I'll be working on some of that with him02:03
jameshand I chatted with Kyle last night about maybe getting some better linting support for snapcraft02:04
jameshkenvandine: for the classic-snap-with-gnome-platform-snap thing, you could even make $SNAP/gnome-platform a symlink to /snap/gnome-3-26-1604/current/, which would probably let desktop-launch work unmodified02:12
kenvandinejamesh, assuming it's installed02:18
kenvandinethe problem is we need it to be installed automatically02:18
kenvandinebut i love the idea :)02:18
jameshkenvandine: well, that's the same problem as for a strict confined snap02:19
kenvandineyeah, but i heard that's coming02:19
jameshyou could probably add a content interface plug to a classic snap.  It wouldn't do anything, but might trigger that auto-install02:19
kenvandinethat would be a win :)02:19
jdstrandjamesh (cc kenvandine): I think worst case we can simply do the mountinfo check I just put in the PR. that may even be preferable to adding a bunch of hairy code (zyga may have some other ideas since he has been quite creative with mounts lately)02:20
jdstrandthere are all kinds of go helpers in snapd for looking at mountinfo too02:21
jdstrandso, this is close I think. I don't know how much time I'll have to look at it while I'm there, but we'll get through it certainly next week02:22
kenvandinejdstrand, strand!02:23
kenvandinewhoops02:23
kenvandinejdstrand, thanks!02:23
jdstrand:)02:23
* jdstrand wanders off02:24
jdstrandhave a nice evening/rest of the day02:24
kenvandinegood night02:25
robert_ancellkenvandine, this gnome-shell not notifying me is getting really annoying...04:01
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dokosound-icons needs a MIR (or recommends lowered in speech-dispatcher)05:57
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:54
Nafallomorning08:07
oSoMoNhey Nafallo08:11
didrocksgood morning08:18
oSoMoNsalut didrocks08:23
didrockssalut oSoMoN!08:28
willcookemorning all08:41
didrockshey willcooke08:41
oSoMoNgood morning willcooke08:43
seb128good morning desktopers08:46
* didrocks was wondering why I couldn't restart GNOME Shell for testing, I was on Wayland, but the error is cryptic with --replace from cli :p08:47
seb128hey willcooke didrocks oSoMoN08:47
didrockshey seb12808:47
oSoMoNsalut seb12808:47
jibeltoday's iso does boot. any obvious changes happened recently before I start searching what broke?08:49
jibeldoes not*08:49
jibelah, here it goes, it is just terribly slow08:49
seb128willcooke, want to reply to https://community.ubuntu.com/t/mp3-patents-expired-include-full-mp3-support-out-of-the-box-like-fedora-does/3694 ?08:50
willcookeseb128, thanks, and done08:52
seb128willcooke, thx08:58
willcookeseb128, would you send the meeting reminder or shall I?08:59
seb128willcooke, I can do it, thanks for reminding me :)09:00
willcookenp09:00
didrocksback from the days, a reminder for reminding the reminder… :)09:00
Nafallojust get google homes ;-)09:01
Nafallothey'll light up when they have something to remind you of :-P09:01
Laneyheeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyy09:02
seb128didrocks, indeed!09:03
seb128hey Laney, how are you? you seem energetic this morning :)09:03
didrocksmorning Laney09:04
NafalloLaney: morning. had your coffees yet? ;-)09:05
Laneyhey seb128 didrocks Nafallo!09:08
Laneyjust tea :-)09:08
willcookeheading to the train station, bbiab09:34
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ricotzhey desktopers10:18
oSoMoNhey ricotz10:23
willcookeDoes anyone have a Fedora dual-boot on their computer?  I want to recreate something for bug #1706421 and I can't in a VM and I dont want to dual boot this laptop right now.10:59
ubot5bug 1706421 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Wifi hotspot password is hard to read" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/170642110:59
willcookeerm10:59
willcookeor10:59
willcookeoh, I guess I would have to build my own Settings app minus my patch10:59
willcookeMaybe I'll try that10:59
willcookeRight, getting in to London now, so going underground. bbiab - will check logs for replies to ^11:00
LaneyIf you want to just change the font then you can do that using the inspector ("Visual" tab) or just the settings in Tweaks11:25
Laneywould have to remove the patch though I think - not sure how to override font-desc in the inspector11:28
willcookeIn London11:37
willcookedidrocks, qq re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/170642111:50
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1706421 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Wifi hotspot password is hard to read" [Medium,Fix released]11:50
willcookeI'm trying to build a version which doesnt have that debdiff applied.  I branched from https://code.launchpad.net/gnome-control-center11:51
willcookebut I dont see it in there11:51
willcookeAm I doing something wrong, or did it get lost?11:51
willcookeoh11:51
willcookemaybe I should have got the packaging branch11:51
didrockssil2100 sponsored, it, let me see if he committed to the vcs11:52
didrockswillcooke: it's in11:53
didrocksdebian/patches/monospace-wifihotspot-password.patch is in lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/ubuntu11:53
willcookedidrocks, cool, so I think I'm probably looking at the wrong branch here then11:53
didrocksand referenced in debian/patches/series11:53
willcookeIf I go to here:11:53
didrocksyeah, the other one is supposed to be a mirror of the upstream one11:53
willcookehttps://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center11:54
willcookeShould I be able to bzr branch the code?11:54
willcookeI still find LP confusing11:54
didrockswillcooke: those were the automatically imported bzr branch from packages. In theory, you could, but that was ages ago and udd isn't a support project anymore11:55
didrocksso you have old branches showing up now, sorry :/11:55
didrockswillcooke: all our bzr branches are normally at: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop11:55
willcookeno, I think I branched the "upstream" project, but I should have done the Ubuntu one right?  But I dont see the usual bzr line which I can copy and paste11:55
willcookedidrocks, ah, that link looks good11:56
Laneyit's usually ~ubuntu-desktop/pkg/ubuntu11:56
didrockswillcooke: not discoverable for one time contributors though :/ I hope we can work on this when going to git11:56
Laneyor shown in apt-cache showsrc pkg | grep Vcs-11:56
didrocksVcs-Bzr: http://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/ubuntu11:57
willcookeoki, so now I have the debian dir, cool.11:57
didrocksfor instance11:57
willcookedo I now need to branch the upstream, copy the debian dir in there and then do a buildpkg?11:57
didrocksno11:58
didrocksjust run bzr bd11:58
didrocksit will download the source tarball for you11:58
didrocksand do a build11:58
willcookeha, neat11:58
didrocksyou need to have bzr-builddeb installed11:58
willcooke(I should really be writing this down)11:58
willcookectrl-w the wrong window12:00
willcookeSo if I want to build minus that one patch of mine, do I just delete it from the debian dir, or is there some extra changes needed?12:00
didrocksthe easiest is to comment the patch line in debian/patches/series12:01
didrocksit won't be applied during your build then12:01
willcookegot it12:01
willcookewoot, looks like things are building.  thanks didrocks, laney12:04
didrocksyw!12:04
willcooke(all of this to prove a point ;) )12:04
willcookewhich might end up not even being a problem12:05
didrocksheh12:06
willcookebah, next silly question.. I have a package now, can I just dpkg install it and then uninstall it again when I'm done?  Should I have changed the version number or sometihng?12:08
didrocksjust install the package(s) you need, then, to revert to the one in, let's say, xenial: apt install <package_name1>/xenial <package_name2>/xenial…12:12
willcookedidrocks, thanks12:15
willcookelogging in to a gnome session, brb12:20
willcookedidrocks, sorted.  In the end I built it with --dont-purge and then ran the binary directly from the build directory, so no installing needed.12:29
didrockswillcooke: that's another way of doing it. It works as long as you don't add new panels ;)12:30
didrocks(for g-c-c)12:30
jbichaseb128: are you aware that wvdial is still in the ubuntu.bionic ship-live seed?13:38
jbichagood morning13:38
seb128jbicha, hey, I don't know, slangasek emailed us asking about the supported seed and we said it was not needed there, he asked us if we could clean it out which we did ... if you care about the ship seed and think that should be reviewed maybe talk to Steve?14:01
seb128ok, it's that time again!14:30
jbichao/14:30
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-01-3014:30
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seb128Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out)14:30
andyrocko/14:30
oSoMoN   \o14:30
jibelhi14:31
didrockshey14:31
willcookeo/14:31
kenvandineo/14:31
hebero/14:31
Laneynod14:31
seb128ok, looks like we have already everybody, let's get started14:31
seb128#topic andyrock14:31
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seb128andyrock, hey14:32
andyrock1. MP to enable gir for goa-backends: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=367371&action=diff14:32
andyrock2. MP to fix crash in snapd_login_async: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd-glib/pull/3114:32
andyrock3. WIP: adding a UbuntuSSO provider in gnome-online-accounts14:32
andyrock4. Spent some time considering what needs to be done in order to discharge macaroons in C14:32
andyrock5. Review specification for SSO14:32
andyrock6. eow14:32
seb128andyrock, thanks, good work keeping on top of the livepatch work and the new challenges on the way14:33
seb128#topic dgadomski14:33
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seb128dgadomski, hey14:33
dgadomskihey14:33
dgadomski*fixed bug #164466214:33
dgadomskiback to working on bug #174342214:33
dgadomskilooking into a new potential issue related to SMB2 support on 4.13 kernel14:33
ubot5bug 1644662 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu Xenial) "Icons missing when appearance setting is "high contrast"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164466214:33
ubot5bug 1743422 in unity (Ubuntu) "The launcher reveal doesn't always work when moving the pointer to the defined hot spot" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174342214:33
dgadomskieof14:33
seb128thanks dgadomski14:34
seb128#topic didrocks14:34
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seb128didrocks, hey14:34
didrocks* Wrote and published blog post about desktop icons and GNOME: https://didrocks.fr/2018/01/23/welcome-to-the-ubuntu-bionic-age-nautilus-a-lts-and-desktop-icons/.14:34
didrocks* Publish Canonical Unity8 design docs and help give feedbacks to the communitheme effort.14:34
didrocks* Fixed session-migration security issue on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/173592914:34
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1735929 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "security problems with incorrect permissions for ubuntu 17.10" [High,Triaged]14:34
didrocks* Change g-s-d and gnome-shell code for adapating to the volume over 100% new icon name (one less thing lacking!) :)14:34
didrocks* Session mode extension: rebase on latest master, separate part that are accepted upstream and do another patch upstreamabale for second part + a backup patch for us in case the second isn't accepted (little bit more hackish to minimize the diff impact).14:34
didrocks* Rebase our 3 GNOME Shell patches and push them to gitlab now that GNOME Shell migrated to it. Also, rediscuss current state of our patches with upstream.14:34
didrocks* Debug a local gdm not starting issue14:34
didrocks* [MIR] fonts-noto-color-emoji & various AA work14:34
didrocks.14:34
seb128thanks didrocks, busy week as usual :)14:35
didrocks;)14:35
seb128#topic duflu14:35
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seb128* PulseAudio update 1:11.1-1ubuntu414:35
seb128  - Still stuck in proposed due to a buggy test in unrelated package gsequencer. It appears this will be unblocked by the newly proposed version of gsequencer being promoted, leaving no buggy version of gsequencer in the same series as the pulseaudio update.14:35
seb128* Gnome Shell performance work:14:35
seb128  - CPU issues: Fixes still being discussed upstream(s) (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1743976)14:35
seb128  - Stuttering and lack of smoothness: Finally identified multiple different causes for this so we have a checklist: https://trello.com/c/Q6JYXPPs14:35
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1743976 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell is wasting CPU repainting unchanging panels" [Medium,In progress]14:36
seb128  - Now working through the checklist, starting with the multi-monitor problem. Because multi-monitor frame sync was my domain in Mir, I know how to fix it in Mutter.14:36
seb128* Totem:14:36
seb128  - Finally released with headerbar patches removed. Now we ship with the upstream look and feel. (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1502476)14:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1502476 in totem (Ubuntu) "Totem menu bar is displayed in fullscreen mode (during gnome-flashback session or when Top Bar > Application Menu is disabled)" [Medium,Fix released]14:36
seb128* Unresponsive touchpads (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696929)14:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1696929 in libinput (Ubuntu Bionic) "Touchpads are unresponsive and laggy for small finger movements" [High,Fix released]14:36
seb128  - Finally, fix released to bionic in libinput 1.9.4-2ubuntu1.14:36
seb128* Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms, mir, wayland, totem, mpv, libinput.14:36
seb128* HELP: Fixes still awaiting sponsorship:14:36
seb128  - https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/gtk/fix-1698270/+merge/33184614:36
seb128#topic jbicha14:36
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seb128jbicha, hey14:36
jbicha• Released GNOME Tweaks 3.27.4. Moved to gitlab.gnome.org and renamed source package. Blogged about the new version.14:37
jbicha• ubuntu-meta upload. Adds GNOME To Do & Noto color emoji font. Replaces gucharmap with GNOME Characters.14:37
jbicha• Dropped all known downstream Unity headerbar patches (6 pkgs this week) after lengthy discussion on Community Hub. LP: #171932214:37
ubot5Launchpad bug 1719322 in gnome-calculator (Ubuntu) "Remove patch to remove headerbar" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/171932214:37
jbicha• More packaging syncing with Debian GNOME. In particular, Deja Dup this week.14:37
jbicha• Informed Unity team about LP: #1744619. Too early for feedback yet.14:37
ubot5Launchpad bug 1744619 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Transitioning GNOME away from libnm-glib" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174461914:37
jbicha• Reviewed some patches for gedit upstream14:37
jbicha🏈14:37
seb128thanks jbicha14:37
seb128no report from jamesh but he's at the snapcraft summit this week14:38
seb128#topic  jibel/heber14:39
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seb128jibel, heber, hey14:39
jibelhey14:39
jibel- SRU of gnome-software 3.20.5-0ubuntu0.16.04.8. It allows a user to install classic snaps from gnome-software (bug 1690280)14:39
jibel- SRU of ubuntu-release-upgrader and update-manager to make it not segfault on wayland (and upgrade from artful to bionic with the GUI)14:39
jibel- Triaging of gnome-software bugs and incoming bugs and crashes.14:39
jibel- Merge proposal that includes fixes for gnome-software tests submitted.14:39
jibel- Update ubiquity tests according to changes in keyboard selection14:39
ubot5bug 1690280 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Classic confined snaps don't install" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/169028014:39
jibel..14:39
seb128thanks jibel14:39
seb128#topic kenvandine14:39
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seb128kenvandine, hey14:39
kenvandinehey14:39
kenvandine* Created a classic snap for gnome-software, built for base-18 (to be renamed core18) for bionic.  This works fine on bionic, but not 17.10 or 16.04 due to snapcraft not really supporting building for another base yet.  Sergio is working on getting that sorted out ASAP.14:40
kenvandine* Working on locale support in the desktop snaps14:40
kenvandine* Preparing for GNOME AB meeting later this week14:40
kenvandine* I'll be traveling tomorrow and Monday14:40
kenvandineEOF14:40
seb128thanks kenvandine, see at fosdem :)14:40
kenvandine:-D14:40
seb128#topic Laney14:40
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seb128Laney, hey14:40
Laneyhi there14:41
Laneyo more work on the alarms stuff, now setting up and triggering the timer works, and snoozing works, just got to integrate the units into the build system14:41
Laneyo I got some feedback on the systemd user stuff, should try to get back to that this week14:41
Laneyo fixed upower autopkgtest (trivial), just uploaded that, should make the new version migrate if it's all good14:41
Laneyo got germinate and livecd-rootfs approved for snap seeding stuff, just tweaking livecd-rootfs to fix the tests then should soon be good to go (look at the diff for livecd-rootfs 2.492 if you want to see what a fail looks like)14:41
Laneyo a lot of babysitting of autopkgtests and working with IS since the clouds - particularly the boston ones - were quite unreliable this week. sort of getting the queues under control now14:41
Laney?14:41
seb128thanks Laney, good work getting the snap seeding ready!14:42
seb128#topic oSoMoN14:42
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seb128oSoMoN, hey14:42
oSoMoNhey14:42
oSoMoN• firefox14:42
oSoMoN  ∘ helped Johan debug localization of firefox snap14:42
oSoMoN• chromium14:42
oSoMoN  ∘ 63.0.3239.132 was published to {artful,xenial,trusty}-security14:42
oSoMoN  ∘ 64.0.3282.119 in bionic-proposed (should migrate shortly), ready for {artful,xenial,trusty}-security in stage PPA, and snap in candidate channel14:42
oSoMoN  ∘ updated dev to 65.0.3325.18 and snap in edge channel14:42
oSoMoN  ∘ talked to upstream author of VA-API patch, he is reworking it at the moment, in the meantime I rebased the existing patch on the latest dev branch but there were numerous conflicts and I must have missed something because I am not seeing hardware-accelerated video decoding as I did before14:42
oSoMoN  ∘ investigated color emoji support in chromium, this is being implemented upstream14:43
oSoMoN• libreoffice14:43
oSoMoN  ∘ filed and fixed https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11520814:43
ubot5bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 115208 in LibreOffice "Apparmor profile doesn't allow java execution" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]14:43
oSoMoN  ∘ backported debian patch to fix FTBFS with newer libpoppler14:43
oSoMoN  ∘ filed and fixed bug #1745685 by backporting an upstream patch14:43
ubot5bug 1745685 in glm (Ubuntu) "FTBFS with gcc 7.3.0-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174568514:43
oSoMoN  ∘ looking again into bug #1699772 that makes libreoffice autopkgtests fail on i38614:43
ubot5bug 1699772 in linux (Ubuntu) "linux-image-4.13.0-12-generic, linux-image-4.10.0-24-generic, linux-image-4.8.0-56-generic, linux-image-4.4.0-81-generic, linux-image-3.13.0-121-generic | Regression: many user-space apps crashing" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/169977214:43
oSoMoN  ∘ investigated color emoji support in libreoffice, no support upstream yet (not even in 6.0)14:43
oSoMoN</week>14:43
seb128oSoMoN, is the libreoffice/i386 issue still that kernel/java problem?14:43
oSoMoNyes14:43
seb128should we skip over that test again?14:44
oSoMoNI think we should, but I'm testing kernel 4.14.15 to see if it fixes it14:44
seb128k14:44
seb128thanks oSoMoN14:44
seb128#topic seb12814:45
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seb128• reviewed the common printing dialogs sources in NEW14:45
seb128• some binNEW handling14:45
seb128• launchpads/e.u.c reviews/triaging14:45
seb128• meetings, trying to keep up with ongoing work, trello updates14:45
seb128</week>14:45
seb128#topic tkamppeter14:45
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seb128tkamppeter, hey14:45
tkamppeter- Hardware: Got an HP OfficeJet Pro 8730 multi-function device. Tested it. Working well on Bionic, both via HPLIP (printing and scanning) and driverless (printing only).14:45
tkamppeter- cups-filters: Released 1.20.0: Improvements on driverless PPD generator, as human-readable strings for all options and choices including PageSize, even proprietary names taken from printer's strings file, fixes to actually get all page sizes, including borderless ones, made also color mode and media type correctly work.14:45
tkamppeter- CUPS snap: Looked into how to get it into the store.14:45
tkamppeter- Google Summer of Code 2018: Continued with Sahil Arora on removing use of private Poppler APIs in cups-filters. Work on GSoC 2018 application of the Linux Foundation, making sure all subgroups put up project ideas.14:45
tkamppeter- Bugs.14:45
seb128thanks tkamppeter14:46
seb128#topic robert_ancell14:46
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seb128- Updated GNOME software channels branch to support URLs of the form snap://moon-buggy?channel=beta14:46
seb128- Updated GNOME software paid snaps branch to work with recent upstream changes.14:46
seb128- Working on getting channel information returned from Snap searches so we can14:46
seb128#topic AOB14:46
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seb128other topics?14:47
jbichaI thought the Shotwell/Photos topic on the Hub was interesting14:47
seb128in what regard?14:48
jbichawell someone did a lot of work to make that chart at least!14:48
seb128right14:48
seb128it's probably worth considering next cycle14:48
jbichaI like the UI, but it seems Photos just still has a few "essential" features missing for now14:48
seb128yeah, also tracker depends is still a topic not sorted out14:49
seb128and changing in LTS cycle is something we usually avoid doing14:49
seb128especially for something non trivial which interact with user datas14:49
jbichalast I checked, Fedora shipped Shotwell too so no rush from our part14:49
seb128like it's one thing to change the charmap picker, another to change the photos library14:49
seb128right14:50
jbichanothing else from me :)14:50
seb128thanks jbicha14:50
seb128anybody having something to share/discuss?14:50
seb128+else14:50
seb128seems not, it's a wrap then14:51
willcookethanks everyone14:51
seb128thanks everyone!14:51
seb128#endmeeting14:51
didrocksthx!14:51
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Jan 30 14:51:33 2018 UTC.14:51
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-01-30-14.30.moin.txt14:51
oSoMoNthanks!14:52
seb128jbicha, btw do you know what's the status of the udisks update? is that still blocked on the libblockdev mir?14:56
jbichaseb128: I just added a comment to LP: #1735499 to address doko's questions14:59
ubot5Launchpad bug 1735499 in libblockdev (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libblockdev" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173549914:59
seb128jbicha, thanks14:59
jbichaI am not working on MIRs for libbytesize or volume-key (mentioned in bug description) so if someone wants those, they should file the MIRs15:00
ricotzchrisccoulson, hi, will you work on rustc 1.23/cargo 0.24 updates?15:11
seb128dgadomski, still around?15:18
dgadomskiseb128: yep, I'm here15:18
seb128dgadomski, bug #1644662 it seems like that the version in bionic is still using IconTheme=Adwaita so why did you mark it invalid there? also you might want to reassign to the right source or add gnome-themes-standard to the bug since that's what you patch and maybe subscribe ubuntu-sponsors?15:20
ubot5bug 1644662 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu Xenial) "Icons missing when appearance setting is "high contrast"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164466215:20
dgadomskiseb128: I assumed that since there's no Appearance/Theme setting in bionic (but rather that's achieved via tweak-tool) a user has a chance to set the icon theme in the same place where the highcontrast theme may be set15:21
dgadomskire: gnome-themes-standard - that's a good point, will fix that15:21
seb128dgadomski, under Unity the panel should still be the same no?15:22
seb128in bionic15:22
seb128there is no reason the issue stopped existing15:22
seb128also if that should is right it should be submitted upstream as well15:22
dgadomskiseb128: ack, will address that, thanks15:23
seb128thx15:23
dgadomskiyw15:23
xclaesse[m]Are there known bugs regarding ctr-c/ctr-v behaviour under wayland in 17.10? I had a few times ctr-v pasting older text that shouldn't be in the clipboard anymore.15:28
kenvandinejibel, gsilvapt is interesting in helping working on automating testing of our snaps15:30
kenvandines/interesting/interested :)15:30
jbichadgadomski: btw, upstream moved to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-themes-extra15:30
dgadomskijbicha: oh, I see, thx15:30
gsilvaptHello all o/15:30
gsilvaptbe back in 1 minute, need to restart15:32
gsilvaptOk, I'm back15:34
jibelgsilvapt, hi, thanks for proposing your help. Are you interested in writing automated tests or more working on testing tools for automation?15:42
seb128xclaesse[m], GNOME/wayland has no clipboard manager so if you close the app you copied from the selection is lost15:42
gsilvaptActually both, hehe. In this initial phase, I think working on testing tools is more adequate for me15:43
seb128xclaesse[m], that was confusingly worded, but you loose what you copied when closing an application15:44
jibelgsilvapt, cool. if you like challenges we have a tool for package tests (debs and RIP click packages) called autopkgtest (results http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/) we'd need to extend it to support snap packages.15:45
jibelgsilvapt, is it something you'd be interested in?15:45
gsilvaptAlthough I would need guidance, yes that is interesting15:45
xclaesse[m]seb128: good to know but that's not what I'm experiencing, I have ctr-v pasting something different depending on which app I do it.15:46
xclaesse[m]ctr-v in a Webkit app paste some older text, and in any other app it paste the newer text15:47
xclaesse[m]could be a wayland vs xwayland distinction...15:47
xclaesse[m]anyway, I'll try to understand more exactly the case when it happens again. Just wanted to know if that rings a bell15:48
mgedminI've noticed that sometimes I copy stuff in chromium (Xwayland) and paste it into gnome-terminal (native Wayland app) and get outdated contents15:49
mgedminrestarting chromium fixes things15:49
gsilvaptjibel ^ (I keep forgetting to mention people, argh)15:51
seb128xclaesse[m], nothing that I know about, sorry15:51
jibelgsilvapt, np, I was search for https://anonscm.debian.org/git/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git15:51
jibelsearching*15:51
jibelgsilvapt, this is where the code is. In the doc there is a specs for debs and clicks. We'd need something similar for snaps. The idea would be to add a test specification to the snaps (maybe in the yaml) that automation tools could read to know what to execute to test the package, then extend autopkgtest to run tests against snap packages15:54
kenvandinejibel, gsilvapt: maybe something like the "apps" section but "tests" with commands to run15:55
gsilvaptHum, I can have a look into that15:57
gsilvaptHow should I test my changes? Should I get a couple snap sandboxes to give it a go when modifications are done?15:58
gsilvaptkenvandine, jibel ^15:58
chrisccoulsonricotz, yes15:59
jibelgsilvapt, yes, you create your own snap or modify an existing one, branch autopkgtest and start hacking.16:00
gsilvaptThe problem is creating a snap with tests. Perhaps I should try getting an app that already has some tests to give it a go16:00
gsilvaptjibel, there is a command to run autopkg manually, right?16:01
gsilvaptjibel, Or the main goal now is to just run autopkg tests on snaps that already run against other "regular" packages?16:02
jibelgsilvapt, yes, there is a wiki page that explains how to run it for debs http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html16:03
kenvandinegsilvapt, i think you should start out by looking at the autopkgtests source, there is a test in that for click16:03
jibelgsilvapt, start with something simple, even a test that always returns 'true' would be good for a start16:04
kenvandinemaybe start out by duplicating anything in there related to testing clicks and make it snap16:04
kenvandinegsilvapt, i can give you a test snap that just returns true :)16:04
gsilvaptAll right, makes sense. I'll simplify this for now and keep getting back to you when I get into troubles16:04
jibelthe *true* snap ;)16:04
kenvandine:)16:05
jibelgsilvapt, thanks, don't hesitate to ask if you have any question16:05
kenvandinegsilvapt, and for now you can make the test just run the snap... later you can add the logic to pull tests from a snap16:05
gsilvaptkenvandine, yes, I was already thinking in a later stage and it doesn't make sense.16:06
jibelgsilvapt, parsing of the definition file is in lib/testdesc.py and package management functions are in lib/adt_testbed.py. you can start by proposing a format for the test description, then patch these files to parse the new test description and install snap packages16:11
kenvandinehttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+junk/snap-test-true/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml16:13
kenvandinegsilvapt, jibel ^^16:13
kenvandinethat will just return true16:13
gsilvaptkenvandine, thanks! I'm assuming I'll need a couple of days before actually testing anything though :D16:14
kenvandinegsilvapt, sure :)16:15
seb128kenvandine, I did a PR but need to tweak something so I removed it, need to step out for half an hour and then I resubmit it16:16
kenvandineseb128, ok, thx!16:16
gsilvaptjibel, what's your timezone? I need to look at this, have a though before trying to do some changes and wanted to know for how long I'll find you around16:17
jibelgsilvapt, France, UTC+1 or 2 depending on DST16:18
jibelgsilvapt, my irc client is always on otherwise email me, my ubuntu address is on lp16:18
gsilvaptOk, thanks. I'll put my head on this and will ask questions :P16:19
jibelgsilvapt, Great, thanks again!16:19
gsilvaptNo, I thank you guys for helping me out!16:20
jbichaseb128: see the #control-center discussion. Captive Portal on/off switch is blocked from upstream acceptance because Design wants better justification of why it's needed16:24
jbichaand wording for how to explain to users the downsides of turning it off16:25
jbichainitial GNOME 3.28 UI Freeze is next week16:25
gsilvaptjibel, I was looking at the code and I have some questions to help me design a solution proposal. Can you help me out in this?17:13
Laneynighty night18:05
xclaesse[m]Ohh, fontconfig package cannot be rebuilt on Ubuntu 17.1018:22
xclaesse[m]fcmatch.c:324:63: error: 'PRI_CHAR_WIDTH_STRONG' undeclared here (not in a function); did you mean 'PRI_WIDTH_STRONG'?18:22
xclaesse[m]When simply running apt source fontcontig and debuild18:22
xclaesse[m]Looks like related to glibc >= 2.25: https://github.com/voidlinux/void-packages/issues/569318:24
xclaesse[m]FYI, it's fixed upstream in fontconfig 2.12.2 with commit 1ab5258f7c2abfafcd63a760ca08bf93591912da18:37
seb128xclaesse[m], thanks for pointing that out18:49
kenvandinerobert_ancell, did you see that screenshot i posted last night?22:07
kenvandineor yesterday morning for you :)22:07
kenvandinerobert_ancell, https://imgur.com/a/abkKu22:08
kenvandinethe featured grouping on the left there, when browsing category is there in 16.04 but not in 17.1022:09
kenvandinerobert_ancell, any idea why?22:09
robert_ancellkenvandine, I'm investigating now22:29
robert_ancellkenvandine, it seems the AppStream data is not populating it. If I use my Snap branch to populate the featured games it works https://imgur.com/a/97AKU22:42
kenvandine[m][m]Do you have a featured in that drop down22:43
robert_ancellkenvandine, no22:47
robert_ancellkenvandine, the featured games show regardless of which category has been chosen22:47
robert_ancellNote that G-S lists the highest rated games in the categories - not all the available ones22:47
robert_ancellWe have an issue with snaps in that we don't have any ratings, so I had to hack it to show them over other packaging formats (i.e. not upstreamable)22:48
robert_ancellI've asked on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/mapping-snap-store-sections-to-xdg-sections for clarification on what the snap sections mean - featured games or all games22:48
kenvandine[m][m]robert_ancell: in 16.04 it does show featured there though22:51
kenvandine[m][m]Or do you mean it just filters them differently22:52
kenvandine[m][m]And in 16.04 those aren't actually featured22:52
robert_ancellkenvandine[m][m], that must be the AppStream data has changed (or the plugin)22:52
robert_ancellThe display code is all there22:52
robert_ancellkenvandine[m][m], is it a problem?22:52
kenvandine[m][m]Will pointed it out and said we want featured to be in that selector for eact category/section22:54
kenvandine[m][m]I guess only if some apps in that section are featured22:54
robert_ancellkenvandine[m][m], for snaps or .debs?22:54
kenvandine[m][m]For snaps22:55
robert_ancellkenvandine[m][m], right, so nothing shows now for snaps, but with my branch they show as in that screenshot. That seems the most practical way forward.22:55
kenvandine[m][m]He basically said make it work like we have in 16.0422:55
robert_ancellThe only issue is it only shows three featured items, but I can make it scroll more (should be upstreamable)22:56
kenvandine[m][m]Oh, I thought you said there wasn't a featured item in that selector22:56
robert_ancellThe combo box doesn't have featured in it - the featured apps always show at the top regardless of its value22:57
robert_ancelle.g. if I show "adventure" games the featured snaps still show, even if they're not adventure games (which we can't determine anyway)22:57
kenvandine[m][m]Yeah, I'm talking about featured being in that selector23:04
kenvandine[m][m]Maybe that's not meaningful on 16.04 now23:05
kenvandine[m][m]But it's there23:05
robert_ancellkenvandine[m][m], https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/1023:15
kenvandine[m][m]robert_ancell: woot23:33
kenvandine[m][m]Gitlab is so refreshing ;-)23:33
robert_ancellkenvandine[m][m], SO MUCH EASIER :)23:48
kenvandine:)23:49
kenvandineugh... i see i have a double [m] with matrix23:53
kenvandinewonder why23:53

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