[00:00] <FishPencil> Does anyone have an idea why Ubuntu is sticking with GCC 5, even with Artful?
[00:01] <FishPencil> Seems odd to continue to use that version
[00:01] <FishPencil> oh wait, default gcc is 7, but they also have 4 and 5 packages
[00:01] <FishPencil> nevermind
[00:09] <Zythyr> Question: I am installing Ubuntu in BIOS (legacy mode). My first partition is 550MB and I marked it as "Reserved BIOS boot area". No I need to have a "bootable" flag "On" for this partiton? Yes I know for BIOS bios grub 550MB is more than enough, but I kept it at 550MB becasue I plan on migrating to EFI in the future.
[00:16] <TJ-> Zythyr: for BIOS Boot you only need at most 2MB :)
[00:17] <TJ-> Zythyr: and no it doesn't need a bootable flag, in fact, with GPT, there is no such thing although if you're creating a hybrid MBR that also maps that partition then the MBR can have it's boot flag set
[00:17] <Zythyr> TJ- Im doing BIOS with GPT partition scheme. In Gparted, My first partition is 550MB and I put "bios_grub" flag on it. But before installing Ubunut, its asking me if I want to put "bootable" flag on it. I did 550MB because in the future I will be doing EFI instead of BIOS
[00:17] <TJ-> Zythyr: if you can plan on having EFI later, then just create both an EFI System Partition of about 512MB and a 2MB BIOS Boot partition
[00:18] <Zythyr> Ohh okay. So if I am doing GPT then bootable flag not need
[00:18] <Zythyr> So the 2MB boot partition needs to be before the EFI System Partition?
[00:18] <TJ-> Zythyr: here's what I use: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26486498/
[00:19] <TJ-> Zythyr: as long as the BIOS Boot partition is near the start of the disk the order doesn't matter
[00:26] <Zythyr> TJ- Thanks for the share. I did similar but I didn't create teh "BIOS boot partition" of 8MB. I created a 550MB partition and called it "EFI System System" even though I am using it as BIOS boot partition. Is that fine?
[00:27] <TJ-> Zythyr: well it means you can only do either/or. With my way you can do both and so choose which mode to boot in
[00:28] <Zythyr> Ohh I didn't know both options were possible. I already started install of Ubuntu server. Is it possible to fix it after installation?
[00:28] <dingir> whats the purpose of encrypting my home folder
[00:29] <dingir> if i want more security i should encrypt / too ?
[00:29] <Zythyr> And when you say choose either/or, how do you choose if u want to BIOS or EFI method of booting?
[00:29] <TJ-> Zythyr: all you need to do is partition it so both partitions are there; you can do the additional GRUB work later to have both types of boot available
[00:30] <TJ-> dingir: encrypted home means that even if the PC is booted, your personal files cannot be read unless your user is logged in
[00:30] <TJ-> dingir: whereas Full Disk Encryption protects the complete OS when it's NOT running (e.g. if the system/disk were stolen)
[00:31] <mattfly> hi
[00:31] <Zythyr> dingir Encryption is good if you don't want anyone with physical access to your hard drive to be able to read your data. For example, if your PC gets stolen, even though you may have a strong login password, the theif can use a live USB and read your data
[00:32] <Zythyr> TJ- Is your system configured so it automatically detects if your PC supports EFI boothing and if it then it boots to EFI and if not then BIOS?
[00:32] <mattfly> hello everyone, ive recently updated my ubuntu 16.04 lts using a nvidia gpu (laptop), but i got some problem trying to reboot and im unable to see my system GUI, right now im on recovery mode, the error is "bbswitch not suitable _DMS call found
[00:32] <mattfly> "
[00:32] <mattfly> wth is that how to get the gui back?
[00:33] <TJ-> Zythyr: no, it's configured so I can choose at boot-time, in the firmware's boot menu, which type of boot I want
[00:33] <mattfly> and my connectyion sucks
[00:34] <TJ-> mattfly: is this of any help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/857816/my-drivers-recognize-my-graphics-card-but-nvidia-settings-do-not
[00:34] <andrej> How do people update things like quagga that pop up a dialogue asking about restarting a daemon using things like ansible?
[00:35] <dingir> ok
[00:36] <dingir> but if only /home is encrypted its secure too if hard drive gets stolen as in no one can read the data
[00:36] <dingir> can i encrypt /home if system already installed?
[00:37] <TJ-> mattfly: also this ubuntu forums post about 16.04 and kernel upgrades seems more relevant. Try booting to an earlier kernel version via the GRUB boot menu > Advanced sub-menu. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2372056
[00:37] <iulian_> anyone can check please qdbus org.mpris.clementine
[00:38] <iulian_> Service 'org.mpris.clementine' does not exist.Why ?
[00:38] <TJ-> dingir: it's not /home/ that is encrypted, it's /home/$USER/ and yes, it's also protected if the device is stolen. It doesn't protect against someone being able to insert malware if they have physical access to the powered-off PC though
[00:41] <Zythyr> dingir I recently researched about encryption. I dected to encrypt my entire home partition instead of just /home/myusername. These two articles will be a good read for you 1) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Disk_encryption and 2) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManualFullSystemEncryption
[00:42] <Zythyr> ^ the second article if for block device encryption compared to this artcile which is just to encrypt your /home/userusername folder 3) https://www.howtogeek.com/116032/how-to-encrypt-your-home-folder-after-installing-ubuntu/
[00:46] <Guest65> Hi there, I was wondering if anyone else has had success getting Ubuntu running on a MacBook Pro Mid-2015, and if they have seen any major performance degradations
[00:47] <Zythyr> TJ- When you say firmware's boot menu, you mean like the BIOS menu if u want to boot in UEFI mode or Legacy mode?
[00:49] <TJ-> Zythyr: if it's using EFI then it's not BIOS :) BIOS and UEFI are firmware, UEFI manual boot menu usually offers the option to boot in UEFI mode via entries in the firmware's own memory, or via Compatibility Support Module (CSM) in BIOS mode for a specific device.
[00:49] <Zythyr> TJ- Ubuntu server is asking me if I want to install GRUB boot loader. Do I choose "/dev/sda" or do I choose "/dev/sda1"? Assuming my configuration was like yours where my sda1 was BIOS boot partiiton and sda2 EFI, then what would I choose?
[00:50] <TJ-> Zythyr:  /dev/sda
[00:50] <lordcirth> Zythyr, Grub always goes on the drive
[00:50] <TJ-> Zythyr: GRUB figures out where to put it's core image and boot files, and write it's own config
[00:51] <TJ-> !mactel | Guest65
[00:51] <Zythyr> So always choose the drive? Not the partition (ex: sda1)
[00:51] <TJ-> !mac | Guest65
[00:51] <TJ-> Zythyr: yes
[00:51] <TJ-> Zythyr: unless you're doing something /very/ special and experimental
[00:52] <Zythyr> ohh okay
[00:52] <Guest65> thanks ubottu
[00:54] <Zythyr> TJ- If I configure my partitions like yours, do I still mark sda1 (BIOS) as "bios_grub" partition in Gparted? And during installation mark it as "Reserved for BIOS boot"? As for the EFI partition, I won't be able to mark it for "EFI" becasue my system doens't hhave EFI so ubuntu doesn't even give me option to mark it
[00:55] <TJ-> Zythyr: Yes, mark sda1 as bios_grub ... create the EFI SP as any other type - the only important part is to reserve the space. Once the OS is installed and booted you can change the partition type
[00:57] <Zythyr> Ohh okay. And the sda1 partition will be "unformatted" right? And  the EFI parittio nas Fat32? Once I am done with installation of Ubuntu, I can mark the EFI partition as EFI? But do I need to do some configurations of grub after this?
[00:57] <TJ-> Zythyr: yes, sda1 is unformatted. GRUB writes it's core image directly into that partition using grub-install
[00:58] <Zythyr> Ohh okay great! THanks for the clearifcation.
[00:59] <Zythyr> I think I am going to scratch the current install and restart.
[00:59] <Zythyr> and do the partition scheme like yours
[01:01] <TJ-> Zythyr: after installing/booting in BIOS mode there is a bit of a dance to do to install the grub-efi - The way I do it is create a Virtual Machine that boots in EFI mode, attach the real hard disk to it as (/dev/sda) and a VM disk image file (e.g. /home/tj/diskimage.bin ), attach the installer ISO image as a DVD device to the VM, and boot. During EFI install I install the OS to the disk-image file but set
[01:01] <TJ-> the boot-loader device to /dev/sda so it uses the EFI system partition.
[01:02] <Zythyr> Ahh so u trick it into installing grub on /dev/sda
[01:02] <Zythyr> Cool
[01:02] <Zythyr> Good to know that
[01:03] <Zythyr> I think for now I will have partition scheme like your, but not touch the EFI System Partition. If an when I move to a system that is UEFI based, then I will worry about fixing the EFI system partition. But for now I will have the partition there as making it future proof
[01:04] <TJ-> Zythyr: I then shutdown the VM, delete the disk-image file, mount the EFI SP into the current running OS ("mkdir -p /boot/grub/efi; mount /dev/sda2 /boot/grub/efi") and copy the grubx64.efi to the EFI removable media path so I can boot in EFI mode without an entry in the firmware's boot menu (EFI boot via the device name) with "cp /boot/grub/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi /boot/grub/efi/EFI/boot/bootx64.efi"
[01:05] <TJ-> Zythyr: finally!! once rebooted in EFI mode, I just run "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" and it redoes the install but also calls efibootmgr to add Ubuntu to the firmware's boot menu
[01:06] <TJ-> Zythyr: in reality, I pull a lot of tricks and don't do it that way, but I'm a GRUB hacker so I know how to short-circuit things, but if I told you that process you'd get hopelessly lost :)
[01:10] <stock> hi
[01:11] <stock> Linux kernel Version 4.4.0-111.134~14.04.1: contains a truckload of changes related to "speculative execution"    Does this boot or even run ?
[01:12] <Zythyr> TJ- hahha thanks for the clearification after the VM install trick. Or else I would have been lost lol
[01:13] <Zythyr> TJ- Here is my setup. Apparently in Gparted I had the ESP option. I am unsure what will happen when I do Ubuntu Server install and when it installs GRUB. Maybe it will configure for both BIOS and EFI??? https://imgur.com/a/i2GGc
[01:17] <TJ-> Zythyr: installer will only install GRUB in the same mode the installer booted in. So if installer starts from EFI mode it'll install grub-efi in EFI SP,if booted in BIOS/CSM mode it'll install grub-pc to the BIOS Boot partition
[01:17] <TJ-> Zythyr: this is why we have to 'dance' to do both
[01:18] <Zythyr> ahhh now i understand what u mean
[01:21] <TJ-> The problem is, if booted in EFI mode we /could/ install for both EFI and BIOS mode, but if booted in BIOS mode there's no access to the EFI variables so we cannot install an EFI boot menu entry, which means there'd be no access to the installed OS on reboot
[01:27] <aiena> Does anyone know of an XPath visualiser for linux? SOmething like XMLQuire?
[01:29] <stock> well seems to boot and run all right : Linux acer30u 4.4.0-111-generic #134~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 15 15:39:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:38] <Zythyr> TJ- if booted in EFI mode, how do I install for both EFI and BIOS? The reason I ask is becasue I can attached the HDD to a PC that boots into EFI mode and then do Ubuntu install from there
[01:39] <stock> looks like a very nasty job nicely done : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[01:43] <TJ-> Zythyr: you'd install in just EFI mode as usual (with the EFI SP and BIOS Boot partitions), reboot into the OS, then do some clever stuff with installing the grub-pc-bin/grub2-common/grub-common but *NOT* the grub-pc package (because grub-pc would cause grub-efi and the other grub-efi-x86_64* packages to be removed)
[01:44] <TJ-> Zythyr: there's a better way than that though, which is to create an LXD container with /dev/sda mapped into it and install just the grub-pc package.
[01:45] <TJ-> Zythyr: I really ought to write-up all these methods because they look much simpler when you see just the commands without the long-winded explanation
[01:46] <weaksauce> any caveats to find -exec sed that works from the command line but not in a script?
[01:47] <stock> where can one find /proc/config.gz on Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[01:49] <stock> ah less /boot/config-`uname -r`
[01:49] <TJ-> weaksauce: shell expansions of variables, paths, maybe?
[01:50] <Zythyr> TJ- Ohhh so its not that simple even when booted into EFI mode. lol
[01:50] <Zythyr> That a write up tutorial somewhere would be great
[01:50] <weaksauce> TJ- https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ebf243c44800342653838e15591400d0
[01:51] <weaksauce> SUB is printing out what I expect
[01:51] <TJ-> Zythyr: I have a guide to the boot process itself here: http://iam.tj/prototype/guides/boot/
[01:52] <weaksauce> i have taken off the exec portion and it's listing all the files that I expect it to see
[01:52] <stock> stock@acer30u:~$ dmesg | grep -i isolation
[01:52] <stock> [    0.000000] Kernel/User page tables isolation: enabled
[01:52] <stock> allright ave a good one
[01:53] <TunaLobster> Hey guys. Hitting an issue today on 14.04 LTS (using for legacy software support). The issue comes up when a python (2.7) portion of a script is writing to disk. It's somewhere between blitz++, python2, and mpirun. I'm not able to reproduce outside of this program right now. Apt update history shows nothing changed since last known working run of this program.
[01:53] <TJ-> weaksauce: does ./test exist for find in the script to find ?
[01:53] <weaksauce> it does TJ-
[01:54] <TJ-> weaksauce: so is the issue all those logical-ORs because that's very different from the single shell command above
[01:55] <TJ-> weaksauce: think about your "-name *.sh" clauses; what is going to process those * ? It'll be the shell won't it?
[01:55] <weaksauce> TJ- reading the man page it seems like that shouldn't be an issue with the -exec \; version as it serially sends it to sed.
[01:55] <TJ-> weaksauce: you need, I think, "-name '*.sh'  " - single quotes around them
[01:55] <TJ-> weaksauce: you want find to handle the * not the shell
[01:55] <weaksauce> TJ- ah. i will try that
[01:58] <weaksauce> TJ- no dice. no error just no editing of the file
[01:58] <weaksauce> TJ- https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ca2bd1bc4a30e9b351d8e7334e8f74ab
[01:58] <weaksauce> that is a more complete picture as the other one was edited a bit
[01:58] <TJ-> weaksauce: does the command return file names for sed to process?
[01:59] <weaksauce> the first find does in fact print them out yes
[01:59] <weaksauce> there are two finds with almost identical predicates
[02:01] <TJ-> weaksauce: try this, I did something like this earlier for someone else: "... -exec sh -c "sed -i -e '$SUB' {}"  \; "
[02:07] <weaksauce> TJ- tried a few variants of that and nothing is giving an error but it's not doing anything
[02:07] <unomasbeer> ne1 have any really good fonts for coding
[02:09] <TJ-> weaksauce: hmmm, if you remove the -exec it does print out the file names that matched?
[02:10] <TJ-> weaksauce: I'm wondering if this is due to running under zsh. Have you tested it with other shells?
[02:10] <weaksauce> i haven't no
[02:12] <weaksauce> TJ- changed the script to #! /usr/bin/env sh and it's still the same. ran it under sh in my terminal too
[02:13] <weaksauce> every time i want to like find I find it fails me hard
[02:13] <weaksauce> maybe i can use xargs and pipe it
[02:20] <TJ-> weaksauce: OK, I see your problem. You need to surround your logical or's with \( .... \)
[02:20] <TJ-> weaksauce: this works for me (to echo the command) find ./$WEBEXT_NAME \( -name '*.json' -or -iname '*.js' -or -iname '*.sh' -or -iname 'license' -or -name '*.sh' \) -exec echo sed -i -e $SUB {} \;
[02:20] <weaksauce> that works inside a script?
[02:21] <TJ-> weaksauce: the ORs need combining to all bind to the -exec
[02:21] <weaksauce> ah!
[02:21] <weaksauce> what a powerful but fickle tool
[02:22] <weaksauce> that worked! thanks TJ-
[02:22] <TJ-> yes, it is, it's great for catching you out
[02:22] <weaksauce> it feels like it should be a little easier to do find and replace in a bunch of files
[02:24] <TJ-> Unix philosophy; one tool for each task and pipeline their stdout/stdin
[02:25] <weaksauce> yeah. i didn't mean by find or sed but more from a third party.
[02:26] <TJ-> It'd be so specialised then it probably wouldn't get used, whereas shell + find + sed lets you do anything you want - when you figure out how to use them :D
[02:27] <weaksauce> :D
[02:34] <DDR> I've got a bunch of files that didn't come with extensions. I can use my browser's content-sniffing on some of them, but I'm wondering if there's a more general-purpose command-line tool I can use.
[02:35] <picarda> Hello I need help, I want to create a user+pass but on a specific folder. Then use an ftp client...
[02:37] <DDR> Simplest way: Create new user. ln -s whatever folder you want to let them at in their home folder.
[02:38] <DDR> (You'll need to give the new user read/write permissions to that folder so they can access it.)
[02:39] <DDR> Then assuming you've got ftp running, they can access it via their ftp.
[02:39] <DDR> * you've got your ftp daemon running
[02:39] <picarda> I do not have ftp install but I'm able to log in the regular home folder by ftp...
[02:39] <u0_a124> guys
[02:40] <u0_a124> whois
[02:40] <picarda> I did a choen -R myuser:www-data /var/www/myfolder
[02:40] <picarda> *chown
[02:42] <DDR> picarda: That doesn't actually make too much sense to me. There's not really the concept of "log into a folder" here, just accounts and such afaik. Perhaps someone else will be able to help, here?
[02:44] <picarda> DDR: I understand your point...I just did it like this because I'm not a pro...
[02:45] <picarda> It will be better to install an ftp server then create account...
[02:48] <Zythyr> TJ- Great! I'll look at the your blog. Looks like you have a lot of deatils info on there. Will be a good read :)
[02:49] <notadeveloper> lol
[03:05] <eaglgenes101> Alright, I'm having issues with firefox
[03:06] <eaglgenes101> First, it starts not responding to some queries, but UI elements act fine individually (IE the url bar can be typed into, but enter doesn't do anything)
[03:06] <eaglgenes101> Then the program locks up a bit more, I can use the WM to do stuff, but the program softlocks
[03:07] <eaglgenes101> Then gnome, my current desktop environment, locks up badly enough that ctrl+alt+f? doesn't do anything
[03:07] <eaglgenes101> Thankfully the kernel responds to magic sysrq keycombinations, so I can do a clean reboot, but this leaves me without logs to look through
[03:08] <eaglgenes101> Anyone seen this sort of pattern and know where to look?
[03:13] <alpha_Aquilae> test
[03:14] <eaglgenes101> um
[03:25] <eaglgenes101> So long story short: how badly locked up is the system if it responds to sysrw keycombos but not ctrl+alt+f?
[03:25] <eaglgenes101> *sysrq
[03:26] <Alobar500> Hi, I'm an IRC and Linux novice. Was wondering if someone could help me. I have a short post here about the problem: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2383715
[04:09] <armin_> hi
[04:10] <armin_> i am japen
[04:17] <dandoeng> h
[04:32] <nacc> Alobar500: do you have a live USB handy? Have you tried booting into such a USB?
[04:33] <nacc> Alobar500: i assume you are on 14.04?
[04:34] <HappyHotDog> does anyone have any idea why the umake version of firefox-dev hasn't got an icon?
[04:34] <HappyHotDog> I tried to make sure it was added on the .desktop file
[04:34] <nacc> HappyHotDog: are either of those things about the firefox package in Ubuntu?
[04:34] <nacc> HappyHotDog: if not, it's offtopic for this channel
[04:35] <HappyHotDog> well ok, it's just this has come from the ubuntu developer PPA
[04:35] <nacc> HappyHotDog: then contact the PPA owner
[04:35] <HappyHotDog> i can try in another chan though
[04:35] <HappyHotDog> which is ubuntu themselves
[04:35] <nacc> HappyHotDog: link?
[04:36] <HappyHotDog> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make
[04:38] <nacc> HappyHotDog: so you added the PPA from https://launchpad.net/~lyzardking/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-make ?
[04:38] <nacc> HappyHotDog: you should contact that owner, which is not "ubuntu themselves"
[04:39] <HappyHotDog> well apologies, I didn't mean to offend.
[04:39] <HappyHotDog> I thought it came from ubuntu but I was wrong
[04:40] <nacc> HappyHotDog: not offended, just an FYI
[04:40] <Alobar500> nacc: Yes I have one handy and I can boot to it now. I've tried using it before but couldn't fix the boot problem.
[04:40] <nacc> Alobar500: the live USB boots fine?
[04:42] <Alobar500> nacc: yes
[04:42] <nacc> Alobar500: then it's not the kernel itself
[04:42] <nacc> Alobar500: or wit, is your live USB newer than trusty? e.g. xenial?
[04:43] <Alobar500> nacc: and the main 2tb usb drive I'm trying to fix boots fine to my laptop. It just won't boot to my desktop anymore.
[04:44] <Alobar500> nacc: yes the live usb was made yesterday with xenial
[04:44] <nacc> Alobar500: what is on the bootable disk? Can you just reintall the corrupted windows drive with ubuntu then use the external drive just as storage rather than boot media?
[04:45] <Alobar500> nacc: the corrupted windows drive is trash as far as I can tell. My system runs off the external 2tb drive which only has ubuntu on it.
[04:46] <nacc> Alobar500: you mean physically the disk is dead?
[04:46] <Alobar500> nacc:yes
[04:47] <nacc> Alobar500: i see
[04:52] <HappyHotDog> well I feel dumb.
[04:52] <HappyHotDog> checked the github for the PPA and found the solution there
[04:52] <HappyHotDog> sorry
[04:53] <cfhowlett> no apologies needed + glad you found the solution
[04:54] <arunkumar413> any ideas on PYTHON2_INCLUDE_DIR
[04:54] <arunkumar413> I'd like to set this variable in cmake
[04:57] <nacc> arunkumar413: you probably want a cmake channel
[04:59] <Alobar500> I just tried another boot-repair using a live usb and got the same error. Here's the boot script results: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26487403/
[05:00] <cfhowlett> Alobar500, mbr based puters cannot manage more than 4 main partitions
[05:02] <cfhowlett> I see a blend of mbr/gpt which can be done if setting up a gpt based sytem
[05:03] <Alobar500> cfhowlett: that's a little over my understanding, sorry. What could I do to get it to boot again on the desktop I've been using?
[05:03] <cfhowlett> I'm late to the party.  I take it that this was booting OK.  What did you change?
[05:05] <Alobar500> It was booting ok for awhile. I think an update made it change. Here's my post on the forums: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2383715
[05:06] <cfhowlett> ok --- how many kernels are present on that machine?
[05:07] <Alobar500> probably over 15. I just deleted about 10 of them using synaptic. The machine boots fine to my laptop, but will no longer boot to the desktop.
[05:08] <cfhowlett> When I've had this issue, it was caused by an overloaded /boot partition which scrambled the /kernel set up.  I suggest you boot from USB, chroot your system and run  sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[05:09] <cfhowlett> then reboot without the USB
[05:09] <darthho0> hey, i have a small ssd as my storage for my ubuntu os. It's full and I need to get more space. I completely emptied out the Home directory but there's still so much storage used. What folders are taking up the space?
[05:10] <cfhowlett> empty out old kernels darthho0
[05:10] <Alobar500> ok. That might, be the problem. I don't have a boot partition. Boot is just sitting on the whole 2tb drive/partition.
[05:10] <darthho0> cfhowlett: how do I do that?
[05:12] <Alobar500> boot-repair suggested I make a /boot partition. Can i safely resize the current partition that includes boot, then make a seperate /boot partition about a 1gb size without losing my data?
[05:12] <cfhowlett> Alobar500, good but by default, the boot partition on 16.04 is only about 250 mb.  8 - 9 kernels would go through that quickly
[05:12] <cfhowlett> Alobar500, prob but backup /data first
[05:14] <Alobar500> ok. I'm on 14.04 now. Should I delete more old kernels? Maybe I'll do that before making a seperate /boot partition. See if that works.
[05:15] <cfhowlett> darthho0, a few steps: dpkg -l | grep linux-image          sudo apt purge all except the 2 highest numbered images
[05:15] <cfhowlett> Alobar500, you're booted?
[05:16] <cfhowlett> Alobar500, darthho0 please read:  http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/05/remove-old-kernels-ubuntu-16-04/        personally, I prefer removal via dpkg.  YMMV
[05:19] <Alobar500> cfhowlett: ok will do. I'm booted into a live usb into the desktop. But earlier I booted the 2TB drive to the laptop and removed old kernels with SYnaptic
[05:20] <cfhowlett> Alobar500, very good.  I have not worked with supersized storage like yours, so my solution may not be effective.  ask again in this channel
[05:25] <roadrunneratwast> hi all. i have a dual boot machine and need to give more space to my ubuntu parition.  is it relatively safe to use gparted to shrink the windows partition and move it to the right?
[05:26] <cfhowlett> "relatively"  sure.  after you backup everything important.  note: when I have done this, it broke the win7 bootloader.  easily repaired with windows tools, but still
[05:26] <roadrunneratwast> yeah.  that's the thing. i have had to fight windows 10 a few times already
[05:27] <cfhowlett> I've no experience with win10 so can't advise
[05:27] <roadrunneratwast> ok.
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | roadrunneratwast
[05:30] <roadrunneratwast> in that case, are there any downsides to just storing everything on the windows partition?  i am a developer and i work in linux. but it turns out that, for example, the Android SDK is 6GB.  Is it okay to store dev files and even my own code on the windows partition and work on it in my ubuntu parititon?
[05:31] <cfhowlett> bad idea as windows still uses ntfs and your ubutnu storage = ext4.  perhaps a shared cloud storage solution?  virtualbox / gDrive
[05:32] <roadrunneratwast> ok.
[05:32] <roadrunneratwast> then maybe i can just chop off the end of the windows partition and format it as ext4
[05:32] <roadrunneratwast> and store everything there
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> roadrunneratwast: also alot of dev tools are available on ubuntu, think of single install ubuntu?
[05:33] <cfhowlett> roadrunneratwast, what is your percentage of time on ubuntu/win10?
[05:33] <roadrunneratwast> i spend most of my time on ubuntu
[05:33] <roadrunneratwast> but there are certain things i need windows for
[05:33] <roadrunneratwast> and am reluctant to go single boot
[05:34] <cfhowlett> roadrunneratwast, as do I.  I have windows in a virtualbox which I boot 1-2 yearly
[05:34] <roadrunneratwast> hm.   i don't know yet.  i have no lurve for the windows
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> roadrunneratwast: alot of things can we launched from wine/playonlinux aswell or as cfhowlett suggests vbox
[05:35] <roadrunneratwast> but a lot of things can not
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> roadrunneratwast: like?
[05:35] <roadrunneratwast> just hardware compatibility stuff
[05:35] <blue1> top
[05:35] <roadrunneratwast> not everything has linux support
[05:35] <cfhowlett> true
[05:35] <roadrunneratwast> everythng is supported in windows
[05:35] <roadrunneratwast> ok.
[05:36] <jusss> hi there, I just run `systemctl restart gdm` in gnome, and now I'm stuck in login page again, input user and password then pop up login page again, I wonder this is a feature or bug?
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> jusss: ubuntu version? graphics card chipset?
[05:36] <jusss> lotuspsychje: 17.10 gnome
[05:36] <jusss> lotuspsychje: intel video card
[05:37] <jusss> lotuspsychje: ubuntu on Xorg
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> jusss: hmm thats weird indeed, should work wich kernel are you on?
[05:38] <jusss> lotuspsychje: the latest 4.15 from official ubuntu kernel
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-genercic artful | jusss tested booting this?
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic artful
[05:39] <jusss> I don't think this is related with kernel
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> jusss: try a few tests, like nomodeset or other kernel boot
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> jusss: you dont have hybrid graphics with intel right?
[05:40] <jusss> lotuspsychje: like I said, the graphic is normal, I'm stuck in the graphical login page, not tty
[05:41] <jusss> the login page belong to gdm I think
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> jusss: im asking because nvidia is a no-go with wayland and can result in a login loop like you experience
[05:41] <jusss> lotuspsychje: I don't have one nvidia card, only intel video card
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> ok
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> jusss: wayland also result in the login loop?
[05:42] <jusss> lotuspsychje: maybe you can try it on your local machine, see what happens
[05:42] <jusss> lotuspsychje: wayland and xorg both
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> jusss: im testing 18.04 both sessions work here, but wayland more laggy
[05:43] <jusss> I meet this case last night, and I delete .ICEauthority and .Xauthorty, I can ge into the system
[05:43] <jusss> I just wonder why this happens
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> jusss: alot of bugs on that login loop mate
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> jusss: perhaps syslog/dmesg could help us?
[05:44] <jusss> lotuspsychje: aha
[05:44] <jusss> lotuspsychje: yeah, you are right, maybe journalctl can log something
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> jusss: i would suggest the artful kernel test also
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> jusss: system also up to date?
[05:45] <jusss> lotuspsychje: yeah, up to date last night
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> jusss: loginloop after an update?
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> morning ericus
[05:46] <jusss> lotuspsychje: no, login loop after I run `systemctl restart gdm`
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> right
[05:46] <jusss> I just wonder why it cause this case,
[05:46] <looney> wats up
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> jusss: a thread about it here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2374885
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> jusss: did you play with gnome extensions?
[05:49] <jusss> lotuspsychje: yeah, I did, but I delete them now
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> jusss: just to make sure, your on 17.10.1?µ
[05:52] <jusss> lotuspsychje: 17.10, I just download the iso from ubuntu official website, I'm not sure what it is
[05:52] <jusss> not sure about the number after 17.10.
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> jusss: recall when you downloaded the iso?
[05:53] <jusss> lotuspsychje: 1:00 PM, yesterday
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> jusss: there are important updates on the .1
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> jusss: but if you say your up to date
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> jusss: related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1715811
[05:57] <jusss> lotuspsychje: maybe I should re-install gdm
[05:57] <jusss> lotuspsychje: what packages is I need to purge?
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> jusss: that could do the trick yeah, look at the bug its mentioned
[05:59] <jusss> ok, the last comment metion 'apt install gdm3 ubuntu-desktop "
[06:16] <catdi> hi
[06:17] <catdi> EriC^^: Hello Eric
[06:17] <catdi> quit
[06:19] <jusss> aha, if I remove caribou, that I have to remove gdm3 ubuntu-desktop
[06:19] <jusss> WTH? I just want to remove a on-screen keyboard, I have to remove all entire environment?
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> jusss: caribou is part of the ubuntu system,hence why it wants to remove desktop
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> jusss: just disable the service?
[06:24] <cfhowlett> jusss, it's a small package.  why delete
[06:24] <jusss> lotuspsychje: it can not be disable in the 'settings-universal-access'
[06:25] <jusss> cfhowlett: because it sucks! no ctrl no esc no tab, do you call that is a keyboard???
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> jusss: think you need to disable it in systemd services
[06:25] <cfhowlett> this ^^^^
[06:25] <jusss> lotuspsychje: you even write a systemd service for that keyboard?
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> jusss: ubuntu doesnt chooses with services are important for the user= the users choice
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> wich
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> jusss: like= enable dislike= disable
[06:27] <ehO_k> anyone know of an online virus scanner for ubuntu?
[06:27] <cfhowlett> !virus | ehO_k
[06:28] <cfhowlett> ah ... ONLINE virus checker.  no way in 7 hells I would trust that but you do you ...
[06:29] <RedCat27> https://metadefender.opswat.com/ is good if you want to scan a particular file
[06:30] <RedCat27> maybe not the most useful for Linux, but good to have on hand
[06:35] <jusss> what are policykit-gnome and ubuntu-desktop? they're all gnome?
[06:44] <zuko951> nick harindu
[06:50] <dingir> hi
[06:51] <dingir> is using encrypted filesystem more likely to encounter failures
[07:16] <macker> hi
[07:17] <macker> something ive noticed it upgrades generally fail now, say from 17.04 to 17.10, or 17.10 to 18.04 etc
[07:18] <macker> it always errors out because it cant stop systemd to upgrade systemd
[07:18] <macker> is there  away around this?
[07:19] <macker> I prefer a fresh install as much as the next person, but sometimes were lazy
[07:19] <macker> so even update-manager -d errors on the systemd part so everything rolls back
[07:24] <kiwi_> hi... using ubuntu, there is a handy command line program for removing leading whitespace from a string. i forget the name of that program, what was it, please?
[07:25] <jink> sed?
[07:26] <kiwi_> no
[07:26] <kiwi_> it's a program made for just this specific job
[07:27] <kiwi_> similar to 'cut', 'tr', 'head' etc....
[07:31] <Ben64> sed "s/^[ \t]*//"
[07:33] <dingir> what is whitespace
[07:33] <dingir> spacebar caracter?
[07:33] <kiwi_> yes, or tabs
[07:33] <kiwi_> awk '{$1=$1};1'
[07:34] <kiwi_> i asked for the name of that program, not how to remove whitespace ... ;-)
[07:35] <Ben64> why does it matter, it works
[07:37] <kiwi_> Ben64, because it matters, simple as that ;-)
[07:37] <kiwi_> ok, forget it, thanks for your help, anyway ... bye
[07:38] <Ben64> cool
[07:40] <gioan> hello
[07:44] <causative> I have been having a problem since updating from 17.04 to 17.10:  first of all, it's using more memory than it used to and not using any swap, and second of all, as soon as it runs out of application memory the system hangs for ~15 minutes and when it recovers dmesg is full of page allocation faults
[07:45] <causative> I have 4 gigs of memory and the last hang occurred when i just was playing 2 videos in firefox and almost nothing else
[07:45] <Ben64> causative: pastebin the output of 'free -m'
[07:46] <causative> right now it's ok, when it comes out of the hang it has used some swap, but it does not use swap during normal operation
[07:46] <causative> https://pastebin.com/0qR0djdt
[07:47] <causative> I know it occurs when the available memory runs out because I have a status bar widget showing the amount of application memory
[07:47] <causative> and every time it hangs, the widget shows all memory used
[07:47] <causative> and during normal operation it does not show all memory used
[07:49] <Ben64> sounds kind of normal
[07:49] <causative> normal??
[07:49] <Ben64> if you run out of memory, you'll experience bad things
[07:49] <causative> it should be using swap instead of hanging for 15 minutes
[07:49] <Ben64> it is using swap
[07:49] <causative> and it is using too much memory as well for what it's doing, compared to 17.04
[07:49] <causative> I just said it's not using swap during normal operation
[07:49] <causative> this is after the hang
[07:50] <causative> if I booted it up clean, it would use all 4 gigs of memory and 0 swap, then hang
[07:50] <causative> from just browsing the web
[07:50] <Ben64> browsers take lots of memory
[07:50] <causative> it's obviously not normal
[07:51] <Ben64> what's the output of 'cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness'
[07:51] <dingir> hi i have a question
[07:51] <causative> 60
[07:52] <Ben64> then it's set up normally. don't run out of memory : /
[07:52] <Ben64> use something like htop to see what's eating it all, and take care of it
[07:52] <causative> it's obviously not set up normally since it was not happening before and it's not using swap!
[07:52] <Ben64> but it is using swap...
[07:52] <causative> I already explained that to you
[07:52] <Ben64> it's using swap because it ran out of memory, that's literally what swap is for
[07:52] <causative> my widget shows swap as well as memory and at the time of first hang since boot it will always show 0 swap used
[07:53] <causative> it should not hang for 15 minutes or come back with 4000 lines of page allocation faults in dmesg, it should just transfer some things to swap
[07:53] <Ben64> it can't always do that
[07:53] <causative> why not?
[07:53] <causative> I have an SSD, swap should be fast
[07:53] <Ben64> because things need to be in memory to be used
[07:53] <harindu_> there is a variable ( i don't remember which one) which determines the swappiness
[07:54] <dingir> if i encrypt my home folder, am i more subject to increase failure of filesystem or having it not fixable after power outtage and stuff like that?.. is it more likely for an encrypted partition to give problems when checking filesystem after unexpected shutdown.. is it harder to fix than non encrypted?
[07:54] <harindu_> if it's zero it doesn't swap even it's out of memory
[07:54] <causative> there's no reason for it to need 4 gigs of memory to play 2 videos in firefox
[07:54] <causative> it did not used to need that
[07:54] <Ben64> harindu_: yep checked that, it's at the default value of 60
[07:54] <Ben64> causative: you should check htop
[07:55] <causative> it tells me firefox is using the memory
[07:55] <causative> gnome-shell at second place with 243 MiB
[07:56] <causative> firefox at 397.4 MiB and some Web Content processes at 208, 143, 130, 105 MiB
[07:56] <causative> doesn't seem like it ought to add up to 4 GiB, but apparently there are a lot of smaller processes that add up
[07:56] <dingir> what algorith for encfs?
[07:58] <causative> before closing firefox just now it was using 2200 MiB, now it's using 1573 MiB and I have nothing open but some terminals, emacs and xchat
[07:58] <causative> hexchat
[08:04] <causative> is it normal for 17.10 to use over 1 GiB of memory immediately after boot with nothing open?
[08:10] <auronandace> causative: i'm on 17.10 and it is using around 800mb. got thunar, cmus, htop and weechat running
[08:10] <auronandace> causative: i'm using i3 though rather than a desktop environment like gnome
[08:12] <auronandace> causative: also dropbox is running in the background
[08:13] <causative> so 1.1 GiB on boot may not be too abnormal if gnome-shell is a beast, maybe part of my problem is some memory leak in firefox or noscript
[08:14] <causative> but it still should not be hanging 15 minutes the first time it reaches full memory, there should be plenty of inactive memory that can be swapped the first time it hits the limit
[08:14] <auronandace> causative: yeah, sounds like firefox or one of the sites you visit
[08:15] <auronandace> causative: any of those sites using flash?
[08:16] <causative> I don't think so, I believe twitch and youtube are on html5
[08:17] <xenoix_> Does it happen with all sites you've tried so far?
[08:17] <auronandace> causative: haven't got any funky addons?
[08:18] <causative> noscript and ublock origin, it could be a noscript problem since noscript was broken after they updated to the new firefox framework and may still be partly broken
[08:18] <xenoix_> auronandace: I mean noscript can be pretty funky, i remember last time i updated it. It broke every site i tried to visit...
[08:18] <xenoix_> causative: yeah exactly
[08:19] <internete> hola
[08:19] <causative> but I don't think 100% of the problem is how much memory is used, the problem is the 15 minute hang instead of swapping smoothly
[08:21] <Ben64> the problem is you really need more than 4GB of memory now if you want to use web browsers
[08:22] <causative> that's nuts
[08:22] <Ben64> 700MB used on 17.10 i just installed and booted
[08:22] <Ben64> not really, 4GB was low like 10 years ago
[08:22] <causative> no
[08:23] <causative> 10 years ago my desktop computer had 512 MiB
[08:23] <hateball> causative: Are you sure this freeze hangs when your system needs to swap? Such hangs sound like the type you can get with buggy gpu drivers also, but you'd likely see something in dmesg or ~/.xsession-errors then
[08:24] <hateball> "freeze hangs" - more coffee needed
[08:24] <causative> hateball, it always happens as soon as the green application memory bar in my status indicator reaches full
[08:24] <hateball> Alright
[08:24] <Ben64> maybe not quite 10 years ago, but 4GB is pathetic for now
[08:25] <causative> this was a high end laptop 4 years ago
[08:25] <Ben64> false
[08:26] <causative> cost around $800 at the time
[08:27] <causative> but you're focusing on the wrong thing, it isn't the fact it runs out, it's what happens when it does, instead of quickly swapping
[08:28] <Ben64> the whole problem is you running out of memory
[08:29] <causative> why should it take 15 minutes to swap out enough memory so the system is usable?  and why would this create thousands of lines of page allocation faults in dmesg?
[08:29] <Ben64> because you ran out of memory
[08:29] <causative> swapping is a normal part of system operation, it should not cause a massive hang
[08:29] <causative> and it shouldn't create any dmesg messages either
[08:32] <neure> why doesnt ubuntu install disc contain boot repair?
[08:32] <neure> does anyone have image which would have it?
[08:34] <neure> ah
[08:34] <neure> ubuntu alternative has rescue?
[08:34] <neure> is that still a thing?
[08:42] <auronandace> causative: 4gb used to be pretty high a while back but now it is verging on the low end. my silent pc has 8gb or ram and one of my laptops has 32gb. also video sites like youtube and twitch are certainly going to be resource heavy and eat up ram quickly
[08:43] <causative> yeah ok I get it that I'm running out of ram, the point is what happens after instead of a normal error-free swap
[08:46] <fishcooker> how to move files with progress... like rsync --progress like
[08:47] <sveinse> My gnome login is going completely bonkers all of the sudden: https://youtu.be/YZt1jVtfgu4 - How can I fix or debug this?
[08:47] <causative> fishcooker, you can try Ubiquity
[09:01] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> guys need to help a complete noob to re-sync and zero out his hard drive/usb on ubuntu would s1 be willing to post the most efficient method of doing so via terminal please assuming sdx i want to lay out a complete copy and paste so they can walk thru it  forward and backward (steps) also would like to have an output displayed for them if poss this
[09:01] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn>  is where i am hazy (example pls with exact syntax)
[09:02] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> terminal commands or gui not fussed
[09:03] <alocer> jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn: what ?
[09:03] <ikonia> jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn: you want to zero your disk ?
[09:03] <ikonia> is that what you're asking ?
[09:04] <mo_> hi
[09:04] <mjayk> hay mo_
[09:04] <mo_> anyone here
[09:04] <mjayk> many people mo_
[09:04] <mo_> lol
[09:04] <mo_> what can we do here
[09:05] <mjayk> ask questions
[09:05] <mjayk> get help
[09:05] <mo_> good
[09:05] <ikonia> mo_: you're in an IRC channel for the single purpose of Ubuntu technical support
[09:05] <ikonia> !guidelines | mo_
[09:05] <ikonia> mo_: you can also type /topic to see the channels topic and useful links
[09:06] <mo_> thank u
[09:08] <vlt> jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn: its qyt hard to read your question mayB u could try to break it down in2 smaller sections what have u tried so far can you describe that you can use a pastebin too thnks
[09:08] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> sorry i would like to zero my usb
[09:09] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> i want the explaination to be easy to follow
[09:09] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> for a complete noob
[09:09] <vlt> jablo1: That's what we have problems with already reading your question ;-)
[09:09] <vlt> jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn: ^
[09:09] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> i am after your brainpower and methodology not tried anything
[09:10] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> hence the breakdown
[09:10] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> no...?
[09:11] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> i would also like to synch the usb bytesize as currently incorrect
[09:11] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> sync
[09:11] <neure> what do you mean by "zero"? for what purpose?
[09:11] <neure> why do you want to do this?
[09:11] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> write over the entire drive with random data or ones and zeros
[09:12] <neure> ah, so you want to erase data
[09:12] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> because when the usb is inserted it displays incorrect size
[09:12] <neure> so the issue is that it shows wrong size?
[09:12] <neure> not that there is some personal or otherwise sensitive information?
[09:12] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> difference between (cant remember terms but perhaps filedescriptor size mismatch
[09:13] <neure> what filesystem does the drive have?
[09:13] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> i dont giv a shit about data and being able to recover it
[09:13] <neure> okay, so you just want to get the full size for your use?
[09:13] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> so forget the zeroing out
[09:13] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> resync primary concern
[09:13] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> no
[09:14] <alocer> sudo dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sdx bs=4096 && sync <- will rewrite your sdx with random data
[09:14] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> i know about the diff between 1024  and 1000
[09:14] <neure> see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/108539/how-can-i-find-the-actual-dd-size-of-a-flash-disk for example
[09:14] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> i want it not to show an error when i try to use it or insert it
[09:14] <neure> what does sgdisk --print say?
[09:14] <neure> is it hard drive or usb memory stick or what?
[09:15] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> hang ten gotta dig up usb brb
[09:17] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> im not on ubuntu so imma log out be back soon same name
[09:17] <neure> this looks like close match to what you are looking for: https://superuser.com/questions/1086118/restore-the-size-of-an-usb-drive-linux
[09:17] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> oooh will read
[09:17] <neure> if you are on windows there may be a windows way to do it
[09:17] <neure> worth a google
[09:18] <neure> https://www.howtogeek.com/235824/how-to-clean-a-flash-drive-sd-card-or-internal-drive-to-fix-partition-and-capacity-problems/
[09:18] <neure> but be careful :P
[09:18] <neure> you dont want to accidentally remove your OS
[09:23] <stelios> lol
[09:25] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> not even bro rofl good old dd shes a curve ball for the novice (forwarned)
[09:25] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> cioa stelios
[09:26] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> or should i say cuzzo dd lmao
[09:26] <jonnnnnnnnnnnnnn> ao
[09:39] <jonnnnnnnnn> just waiting for a mate
[09:41] <jonnnnnnnnn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GgQi_H5SwU
[09:49] <jonnnnnnnnn> .
[10:01] <lenswipee> hi, does ubuntu come with office application?
[10:01] <gone> hey
[10:02] <gone> anyone here
[10:11] <jkopyczynski> hello
[10:11] <jkopyczynski> i need friends :c
[10:27] <jonnnnnnnnn> why do i get this error on my usb's intermittently
[10:27] <alocer> jonnnnnnnnn:  ?
[10:27] <jonnnnnnnnn> all i do is install linux distros
[10:27] <jonnnnnnnnn> window
[10:27] <jonnnnnnnnn> s
[10:27] <jonnnnnnnnn> and store files
[10:27] <alocer> jonnnnnnnnn: what error ?
[10:27] <jonnnnnnnnn> yup
[10:27] <jonnnnnnnnn> alocer r u from redi
[10:27] <jonnnnnnnnn> redit
[10:27] <causative> I have set swappiness to 100, and though 2686 MiB/3865 MiB application memory is used, 0 swap is used so far, why is this?  when will it swap?  only when it is out of memory and then it will hang for 15 minutes?
[10:28] <jonnnnnnnnn> any way its me guys
[10:28] <Ben64> causative: because it doesn't need to use swap
[10:28] <causative> can I make it swap?
[10:28] <Ben64> swapping is bad
[10:28] <causative> is there a way to trigger swapping manually?
[10:29] <Ben64> use more memory
[10:29] <jonnnnnnnnn> https://pasteboard.co/H5iXxUU.png
[10:29] <jonnnnnnnnn> soz image pasted
[10:29] <causative> if I max out of memory then it will hang for 15 minutes
[10:29] <causative> I want to avoid that
[10:29] <jonnnnnnnnn> got a few convos going on
[10:29] <causative> or I want to see if triggering a swap manually would cause the same hang
[10:29] <Ben64> causative: the real answer, which you don't like, is to not max out memory
[10:30] <causative> please stop talking Ben64 the problem is it hangs whenever it tries to swap, and will not use any swap otherwise
[10:30] <jonnnnnnnnn> why do i get this error intermitently https://pasteboard.co/H5iXxUU.png
[10:30] <jonnnnnnnnn> on me usbs
[10:30] <Ben64> no, the problem is you run out of memory. swap is not 'extra memory' and should not be used as such
[10:30] <causative> there is some problem with the swap, could be hardware or software, and maybe there is a way to fix it
[10:30] <alocer> jonnnnnnnnn: did you used dd ?
[10:31] <causative> but you are providing a negative amount of help by arguing with me this way
[10:31] <Ben64> you want things to be a certain way, and they just are not that way
[10:31] <jonnnnnnnnn> nah
[10:32] <jonnnnnnnnn> usually its...
[10:32] <tykayn> hi folks, anyone for support about nvidia cuda causing black screen at boot ?
[10:32] <tykayn> on ubuntu 16.04
[10:32] <jonnnnnnnnn> either startup disk creator
[10:32] <jonnnnnnnnn> or rufus
[10:32] <tykayn> i have lightdm that doesnt want to startup
[10:32] <jonnnnnnnnn> for windows iso bootable usbs
[10:32] <causative> you are discouraging anyone else from helping Ben64
[10:32] <Ben64> causative: no i'm not, anyone else is free to answer
[10:32] <alocer> jonnnnnnnnn: there is thing called block size ... you need to set it manually becuz corrupt usb disk
[10:33] <causative> they are free to, but your arguing makes it less likely they will
[10:33] <jonnnnnnnnn> can you elaborate as why you need to set
[10:33] <jonnnnnnnnn> and dont u only need to set if using dd terminal
[10:33] <alocer> Ben64: swap is used when you ram is full.
[10:33] <alocer> Ben64: by full i meann no free space left on memory. cache don't count
[10:34] <Ben64> jonnnnnnnnn: when you write an iso to usb like that, it does that sometimes, you can ignore it
[10:34] <Ben64> alocer: correct
[10:34] <causative> alocer, my problem is that whenever the system needs to swap,  it goes into a hang for 15 minutes
[10:34] <alocer> Ben64: is it swapfile ?
[10:34] <causative> and creates many errors in dmesg
[10:34] <causative> how can I diagnose this?
[10:34] <alocer> is it swapfile ?
[10:35] <Ben64> it's probably locking up, because no memory, then it takes a while to run oom-killer
[10:35] <jonnnnnnnnn> ok id like to understand the intricacies behind why and how can u expand on that or link to information that will make me understand more
[10:35] <Ben64> it's not a problem with swap or anything like that, it's a problem of you running more things than your memory capacity allows
[10:35] <causative> shut the hell up Ben64
[10:35] <Ben64> that's not nice
[10:36] <causative> alocer, it's a partition
[10:36] <jonnnnnnnnn> lol u guys crack me up
[10:36] <alocer> causative: be nice or no one will help
[10:36] <LeFennec> hello all
[10:36] <causative> I don't want Ben64 to help, all he does is deny there is a problem
[10:37] <Ben64> jonnnnnnnnn: for example, if you dd an iso to usb, it makes everything on the iso on the usb, including mbr, partition table, partitions, etc. when doing that it can be different than the hardware (usb stick) it resides on
[10:37] <ducasse> causative: there's not a lot anyone else can add, Ben64 is right
[10:37] <alocer> well there is no prblm kind off.
[10:37] <jonnnnnnnnn> this is like springer today
[10:37] <causative> there are two swap partitions:  /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1: 3.9 GiB and /dev/mapper/cryptswap1: 3.9 GiB
[10:37] <jonnnnnnnnn> nice
[10:37] <jonnnnnnnnn> thank you
[10:37] <alocer> jonnnnnnnnn: rufus or such apps do the same as dd.
[10:38] <causative> unsure why it's 2 when the total size should still be 3.9 GiB
[10:38] <jonnnnnnnnn> nice
[10:38] <jonnnnnnnnn> thank u all
[10:38] <jonnnnnnnnn> ur all awesome
[10:38] <LeFennec> can anyone help me i can't do a apt-get update
[10:38] <LeFennec> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/88338bb843d6d2d2aa3bed51948abace
[10:38] <Ben64> LeFennec: 15.10 is long dead
[10:38] <LeFennec> who i can fix this
[10:38] <causative> alocer, are you saying it is normal for a system to hang for 15 minutes whenever it needs to swap, and produce tons of errors?
[10:39] <causative> this has never happened before when other ubuntu systems I have used have swapped
[10:39] <LeFennec> Ben64, what i can do ?
[10:39] <LeFennec> Ben64, migration ?
[10:39] <Ben64> !eolupgrade | LeFennec
[10:39] <Ben64> you can go from 15.10 to 16.04 and that's supported until 2021
[10:39] <alocer> causative: when you have no ram available system priorites making more available.
[10:40] <causative> but why would that take 15 minutes
[10:40] <causative> and why would it produce 4000+ lines of dmesg errors
[10:40] <LeFennec> Ben64, i can do this with live usb wwithout lose my data ?
[10:41] <Ben64> liveusb? you can do it from your installed system
[10:41] <causative> it's a total hang, nothing responds, the screen is frozen for the 15 minutes
[10:41] <LeFennec> Ben64, with upgrade (live usb == boot usb )?
[10:41] <alocer> causative: bpaste your  dmesg
[10:42] <Ben64> LeFennec: not sure what you mean
[10:42] <causative> alocer, ok I have one saved from an earlier crash
[10:42] <causative> er, hang not crash
[10:43] <alocer> cool
[10:43] <LeFennec> Ben64, when i try to do an upgrade i have also errors i ask you if i can reinstall the version 16.04 without lost my files ?
[10:44] <Ben64> if you have a separate /home partition, yes
[10:44] <causative> alocer, https://pastebin.com/iSDdgysa
[10:44] <causative> note that it does not show what happened when the crash first started because dmesg has limited size
[10:44] <causative> I don't know how to see the earlier dmesgs from crashes like this
[10:45] <LeFennec> Ben64, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/bdbb45e1470e31524f55fee1e68afca3 when i try to upgrade
[10:45] <LeFennec> Ben64, no my home is in the same partition :/
[10:46] <alocer> causative: i can't open pastebin. would be kind to paste it on paste.ubuntu.com ?
[10:46] <causative> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26488497/
[10:47] <alocer> tahnks
[10:48] <alocer> causative: my job is to watch for linux health at my company
[10:49] <alocer> causative: one of the thing i look out for is swap. and when its get used. we bring down the system and switch the server to investigate the issue.
[10:49] <alocer> causative: if your swap gets used like that it means BAD things are happening
[10:49] <alocer> le me look into dmesg more .
[10:50] <causative> it was using swap in 17.04 a bit but not causing problems like this
[10:50] <causative> I would get like a 2 second hang sometimes
[10:50] <causative> and I'm not sure that was because of the swap or something else
[10:51] <alocer> swap is not a problem here m8
[10:52] <jonnnnnnnnn> can someone explain what swap memory is for and if i need it on my ubuntu installs (always is made when i install)
[10:52] <jonnnnnnnnn> i have 16GB of ram
[10:52] <alocer> jonnnnnnnnn: lmgtfy.com/?q=swap
[10:52] <alocer> doese ubuttu search on google /
[10:52] <alocer> ?
[10:53] <causative> jonnnnnnnnn, it's space on your hard disk that can be used like RAM is, it's much slower than RAM but should prevent a total failure if you run out of RAM
[10:53] <jonnnnnnnnn> nah i broke the internet lols
[10:53] <jonnnnnnnnn> thanks causative
[10:54] <alocer> wrong. doesn't protect you from filure
[10:54] <alocer> protect you from loss of dtat
[10:54] <alocer> data
[10:54] <Ben64> can't be used like ram either
[10:54] <jonnnnnnnnn> fukn hell this is personal between u2 lols
[10:54] <jonnnnnnnnn> thanks for replies
[10:54] <Ben64> watch the language please jonnnnnnnnn
[10:54] <jonnnnnnnnn> soz
[10:54] <Ben64> np
[10:55] <alocer> condolenses Ben64
[10:55] <causative> alocer, what makes you say swap is not a problem?  what is the problem then?
[10:56] <alocer> did you install the os your self ?
[10:56] <causative> yes
[10:57] <alocer> i m not a pro .. but seems like a hardware problem.. i can't figure it our man. sry
[10:57] <causative> there might be something wrong with my SSD
[10:57] <alocer> it might be that
[10:57] <alocer> but youre swap is working fine
[10:57] <nescius> smart would show that
[10:57] <causative> how do you know?
[10:58] <nescius> swap is only used when ram is full, or when suspend/hybernate
[10:58] <alocer> its 4 years i m using linux and my swap never goest over 0 :)
[10:58] <causative> nescius, I get all these error messages and a 15 minute hang whenever my ram becomes full
[10:58] <causative> then it comes out of the hang, and some swap is used and the system is ok for a while until it runs out again
[10:58] <rory> swap doesn't work like that, ie ram "overflow" - actually depending on swapiness, the system will keep stuff in both RAM and swap so it can be quickly removed from RAM if needed
[10:59] <mjayk> ^---
[10:59] <causative> I've had swappiness set to 100 for a few hours now rory and it's not using any swap at all
[10:59] <causative> is that normal?
[11:00] <alocer> causative dmesg log > https://paste.ubuntu.com/26488497/
[11:01] <alocer> causative: you have a hardware problem.
[11:02] <alocer> causative: lots of stalled for thousand of seconds
[11:02] <causative> with what hardware?
[11:02] <alocer> and they all happens when your trying to access you hard disk . but i don't know which one
[11:03] <alocer> udisks get stalled
[11:03] <causative> so you think it's the SSD
[11:03] <alocer> kthread get stalled
[11:03] <alocer> you only have ssd ?
[11:03] <causative> yes
[11:03] <alocer> possible ... contact the system76 support.
[11:04] <alocer> and make sure you're ssd is working the way it should
[11:04] <nescius> it could be the ssd - logs are full of this udisksd: page allocation stalls for 10444ms
[11:05] <nescius> do you have a smart daemon installed?
[11:07] <causative> don't think so, getting smartmontools now
[11:20] <causative> well, I ran a s.m.a.r.t. extended offline self-test on the ssd and it said "completed without error"
[11:20] <causative> so it might not be the ssd
[11:21] <causative> it's a relatively new ssd, got it last summer
[11:22] <zomaar> What was the issue causative?
[11:23] <zomaar> I was using a KVM switch chained to a VGA switch that apparently caused my VGA card to die but this was only temporary, but I'll have to wait till TJ- comes online again
[11:23] <causative> zomaar, whenever the system runs out of memory (but has plenty of swap) it hangs for 15 minutes and produces errors like this:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/26488497/  and then returns to apparently normal operation, having apparently used some of the swap during the hang
[11:24] <hateball> causative: what ssd do you have? some misbehave so you need force disable ncq
[11:24] <hateball> but then you usually notice that during normal operation as well, not just when it swaps
[11:24] <zomaar> I really would like to make a huge hardware database that people can insert their experiences into
[11:25] <causative> device model is SanDisk SDSSDA240G
[11:25] <zomaar> I have had huge issues with a slower, older mSATA SSD that caused kernel hangs, but not just when swapping
[11:25] <hateball> causative: oh I see now you have a system76 machine... that should already be tested against that type of stuff I guess
[11:26] <causative> it's not the drive that came with it hateball
[11:26] <hateball> causative: ah!
[11:26] <causative> that was an HDD that was failing
[11:26] <Ben64> probably doesn't help having encrypted swap
[11:27] <hateball> causative: fwiw, you could try the kernel parameter "libata.force=noncq" and see if it's the same type of issue I've had in the past. See this post for example https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/211550/how-to-really-disable-ncq-in-linux
[11:27] <spexi> Hi! When using Spotify, it displays a notification at every song change, and it tells which artist, song and album it is. Is there a way to show that notification again after that first time?
[11:27] <causative> yeah but... what's the point of encrypting my home directory if I'm not going to encrypt the swap
[11:27] <zomaar> Probably is no issue
[11:27] <Ben64> causative: those are totally different things
[11:28] <causative> if i consider the information in my home directory worth encrypting, then the information in swap would be equally worth encrypting
[11:28] <mjayk> causative: depends on the circumstance. People are different and have different applications.
[11:28] <zomaar> No I don't think the general use case would advise against encrypted swap in that case
[11:29] <zomaar> But YMMV
[11:29] <Ben64> it only has 4GB ram, probably a weak cpu as well, it runs out of memory and has to swap to slow encrypted swap
[11:29] <zomaar> Still it is easy to test without if th swap is separate
[11:29] <Ben64> of course it's gonna take a long time
[11:30] <causative> ben, it did not take a long time or produce errors prior to updating to 17.10
[11:30] <zomaar> It's not the encryption
[11:31] <Ben64> it sure doesn't help the situation
[11:31] <zomaar> Have you tried older kernels?
[11:31] <causative> no, guess I'll try that later
[11:32] <zomaar> I think it's someone the kernels folks would be interested in, but I don't really know how to get their attention
[11:33] <zomaar> Does the mainstream kernel even have a bug tracker?
[11:34] <zomaar> Is your swap part of an encrypted LVM or separate?
[11:34] <zomaar> You can easily create a different swap to test
[11:35] <bbking> hi
[11:36] <zomaar> The crypt device mapper target is really just one of the simplest out there...
[11:36] <bbking> I'm trying to boot an ubuntu 16.04.03 usb on an old system
[11:36] <bbking> the bios appears to have no EFI
[11:36] <zomaar> Time to celebrate
[11:37] <bbking> I wonder if the new ubuntu iso images require efi?
[11:37] <zomaar> 2 rounds on the house
[11:37] <zomaar> No
[11:37] <EriC^^> bbking: no, they don't they boot on both legacy and uefi systems
[11:37] <bbking> I'm using the grub from the previous install ubuntu 14
[11:38] <bbking> to check if it sees any boot partitions
[11:38] <zomaar> EriC^^: Is it a dual kernel image? I noticed the exention was .efi
[11:38] <bbking> it doesnt seem to see the usb drive
[11:38] <bbking> or it sees the drive but doesnt see it as bootable
[11:39] <EriC^^> bbking: does 'ls' show it?
[11:39] <bbking> no
[11:39] <zomaar> So you can't boot it from the BIOS?
[11:39] <bbking> ls shows the some other stuff on the computer,  same stuff with or without usb plugged in
[11:39] <bbking> nope, having a bloody hard time with this
[11:40] <bbking> I have an older bootable usb too from debian -- same problem
[11:40] <zomaar> Is this the same debian person?
[11:40] <bbking> its debian 7 I think
[11:40] <bbking> the old one
[11:41] <zomaar> I mean were you here before trying to get Ubuntu on a Debian machine?
[11:41] <bbking> so I dont think its the usb itself
[11:41] <bbking> no
[11:41] <EriC^^> bbking: can you put the iso on another hdd native on the machine?
[11:41] <bbking> shouldnt be an issue what is already on the machine
[11:42] <zomaar> Eric is implying that you can boot an ISO from grub
[11:42] <bbking> EriC^^, yeah I'm thinking, put the iso on a hdd and loop mount?
[11:42] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:42] <bbking> right, that way I'll at least see the iso
[11:42] <bbking> yeah that must be the next step maybe something screwy about the usb controller on the mb.
[11:43] <bbking> usb keybaord works
[11:43] <zomaar> There is a howto for it but it requires essentially only like 2 commands in Grub
[11:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:44] <bbking> one thing occurs to met
[11:44] <bbking> to me now
[11:44] <bbking> there are lik 30 HDDs on that system
[11:44] <zomaar> One to mount the loopback and one to get the root from it
[11:44] <bbking> not a typical desktop setup
[11:44] <bbking> and raid controllers etc.
[11:45] <bbking> maybe its somehow too much for the grub shell to list them all
[11:45] <bbking> they dont pop up -- all of the ext4 file systems.
[11:45] <zomaar> If your BIOS has issues with it
[11:45] <zomaar> Then you know
[11:45] <zomaar> It's expected that Grub has too
[11:46] <causative> zomaar, hateball alocer nescius thanks for your help I have a few things to investigate now
[11:46] <zomaar> Just loopback mount the ISO and get going :)
[11:47] <zomaar> Or I mean, get it going :)
[11:47] <EriC^^> bbking: maybe cause the bios can't boot from the usb grub can't see it?
[11:48] <EriC^^> bbking: if you had the space maybe you could make a tiny fat32 in one of the disks and put the iso there so it stands out more in the ls output
[11:52] <bbking> jeeez, I unplugged 30 HDDs and now grub shows my usb
[11:52] <bbking> bios screwup I guess
[12:20] <alexandr> привет народ
[12:36] <wodim> libmagickwand-dev : Depends: libmagickwand-6.q16-dev but it is not going to be installed
[12:36] <wodim> what does this mean
[12:43] <dingir_> hi
[12:43] <dingir_> with what do you encrypt the home folder?
[12:43] <dingir_> i just apt-get install encfs and it says its vulnerable to some attacks and should not be considered safe in certain situations.. whats the defaujlt encryption ubuntu is proposing when installing?
[12:43] <dingir_> i missed that part
[12:47] <dingir_> where cryptkeeper?
[13:11] <Sjors> Hi all
[13:12] <Sjors> I have a machine here, and it seems most of its RAM is being used by the kernel at the moment, but the memory usage of kernel threads is shown as 0
[13:12] <Sjors> I'm trying to figure out, using slabtop currently, to figure out how, but the numbers don't seem to add up
[13:12] <Sjors> does anyone know of a good way to figure out the memory usage of kernel threads?
[13:18] <chrisml> if i a command in screen and don't detach it but my ssh session times out, that will fail the command right?
[13:18] <chrisml> s/a/run
[13:19] <binaryhermit> the command would still be running inside the screen session
[13:19] <rreck_> is it likely the command will fail
[13:20] <rreck_> oh sorry i didnt understand it meant running under screen
[13:20] <rreck_> doh
[13:20] <rreck_> i guess i should have clued in on the word detach
[13:20] <rreck_> forget i said anything
[13:29] <Sjors> chrisml: regardless of whether you detach the gnu screen session, if your ssh connection drops the session remains
[13:29] <Sjors> chrisml: you can just re-attach it later
[13:30] <chrisml> Sjors great! thank you
[13:38] <ix_> does anyone know linux lite's repo? I'd like to add it to sources.list
[13:40] <simulant_> Hi can anyone please help as I'm tearing my hair out with display issues here! I have three 2560x1440 displays (pretty nice, but not so nice as I can't get them working!!). I have an integrated intel gpu which I plugged all three with dvi, hdmi and vga. I couldn't get the vga one past 2048x1200 though!! So I've now added an nvidia graphics card and set my bios to use both. But even though the 3rd screen is on hdmi on nvidia I still
[13:40] <simulant_> can't get full resolution
[13:40] <simulant_> the result is two screens look great and one looks naf!
[13:40] <simulant_> can anyone please help me to fix this?
[13:41] <simulant_> I've tried doing xrandr addmodes etc and it just won't effing work
[13:42] <zomaar> Once upon a midnight dreary...
[13:43] <zomaar> As I wondered weak and weary...
[13:44] <zomaar> Well that could have led to a question I guess
[13:44] <simulant_> zomaar: I have a question if you want one? I posted it just before you entered!
[13:45] <zomaar> Okay say so
[13:46] <A1Recon> I ran `sudo apt autoremove` today. Paste: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26489350/ Somewhere in the middle it got an error and aborted. Now my Linux partition has gone Read Only.
[13:46] <zomaar> Let me guess you are on 17.10
[13:47] <simulant_> zomaar: how did you know?
[13:47] <A1Recon> I can't save anything. Some programs wont run because they can't create temporary files.
[13:47] <zomaar> No I was speaking to A1Recon
[13:47] <A1Recon> zomaar i am on 16.04
[13:47] <zomaar> Oh okay really
[13:47] <simulant_> zomaar: sorry that wasn't supposed to sound sarcastic, i realised after I typed that - you would know, most folk are on that!!
[13:47] <simulant_> zomaar: ah ok thanks
[13:48] <zomaar> A1Recon: Well that makes it easier (for me :p)
[13:48] <A1Recon> Now i don't even know how to frame a question for askubuntu
[13:49] <learner> gang
[13:49] <learner> gang gang
[13:49] <A1Recon> The terminal won't autocomplete commands using the 'Tab' key. Reason `cd /medbash: cannot create temp file for here-document: Read-only file system`
[13:49] <zomaar> A1Recon: What is uname -r?
[13:50] <A1Recon> zomaar uname -r is 4.13.0-32-generic
[13:51] <zomaar> A1Recon: It doesn't seem like the removals of your kernels caused that, it can be a hardware error.
[13:51] <zomaar> Did you yet reboot?
[13:51] <A1Recon> zomaar haven't done a reboot yet
[13:51] <A1Recon> not since the error showed up
[13:52] <zomaar> Okay so a hardware error occurred maybe and your filesystem was remounted read-only
[13:52] <zomaar> Is a guess
[13:52] <zomaar> You can check "dmesg" if there are any signs of hardware failure and also
[13:52] <zomaar> Try to search for "dmesg | grep mounting" or "dmesg | grep mounted" to see when and where it happens
[13:53] <mattfly> hello
[13:53] <mnkybrdr> A1Recon: It appears some file system corruption occurred and made the disk go read only
[13:53] <A1Recon> zomaar found errors here https://paste.ubuntu.com/26489406/
[13:53] <mnkybrdr> Do you have multiple disks in the server?
[13:53] <A1Recon> dmesg ^
[13:53] <zomaar> Or alternatively sudo journalctl | grep mounting etc
[13:53] <mattfly> my terminal emulator gets super laggy when i hit tab and sometimes get stuck
[13:53] <simulant_> I've posted my problem here too if anyone can please help: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2383837
[13:53] <mattfly> what can it be? (hit tab for auto completition)
[13:54] <mnkybrdr> sda5 seems to have failed due to some corruption
[13:54] <mnkybrdr> Have you shut down the server uncleanly in the past?
[13:54] <A1Recon> mnkbrdr nope
[13:54] <zomaar> Curious, no hardware errors?
[13:55] <mnkybrdr> A1Recon: is it virtualised server or on a physical box?
[13:55] <A1Recon> mnkybrdr its my laptop
[13:55] <zomaar> After reboot you might need to do "fsck $ROOT", it should still boot fine
[13:56] <zomaar> After that I mean
[13:56] <trubled> hello, linux noob here, i'm trying to extend my partition linux (i dual boot it with windows) so i made some free unallocated space but gparted won't let me extend it (shows minimum size = maximum size and i can't change it), does anyone have a clue?
[13:56] <A1Recon> mnkybrdr a friend on another IRC says ```EXT4-fs error (device sda5): ext4_iget:4894: inode #956913: comm dpkg: bogus i_mode (0)```  file system corrupt reboot and let it fsck run gsmartcontrol and make sure your disk is OK
[13:56] <mnkybrdr> Sometimes it can work, but sometimes I have had to use chroot to repair it
[13:56] <A1Recon> oh boy
[13:56] <mnkybrdr> Its not as bad as it sounds, but scary the first time
[13:57] <zomaar> simulant_: Bit hard to help, I am not using Gnome
[13:57] <mnkybrdr> https://basictheprogram.blogspot.de/2011/02/how-to-chroot-simple-and-fast-archive.html Says how to get in from a live CD and mount disks, then you can run check disk as the disks arent mounted
[13:57] <A1Recon> mnkybrdr what if the system wont boot up at all?
[13:57] <A1Recon> i mean reboot
[13:58] <simulant_> zomaar: I'm on kde here (kubuntu actually I just posted in ubuntu as there is a bigger userbase to hopefully help)
[13:58] <mnkybrdr> Youll need a bootable USB stick just in case, then that link above tells you how to mount the disks from the live CD
[13:58] <zomaar> A1Recon: If it ends at a prompt run "fsck $ROOT" like I said
[13:59] <zomaar> simulant_: Okay on KDE it is even harder as the KScreen software is not very good
[13:59] <zomaar> simulant_: But the only way you can do it is with xrandr
[13:59] <mnkybrdr> http://bitsofmymind.com/2014/03/14/how-to-fix-fsck-your-root-file-system-that-you-have-to-boot-into-on-linux/ looks a better worse case guide
[13:59] <mattfly> my terminal gets stuck whenever i press tab to autocomplete, what can this be???
[14:00] <mattfly> i have upgraded my system and changed to kernle 4.13
[14:00] <mnkybrdr> mattfly: do you have network drives mounted?
[14:00] <mattfly> ubuntu 16.04
[14:00] <mattfly> yes
[14:00] <mattfly> but im not autocompleting on then
[14:00] <mattfly> whenever i press tab and wherever this happens
[14:00] <mnkybrdr> Do you have them symbolicly linked into the autocomplete paths?
[14:00] <mattfly> but i am using sshfs
[14:01] <mattfly> well let me check if the same doesnt happen on other paths
[14:01] <zomaar> simulant_: You can try to run "xrandr" but it is difficult to make it persistent.
[14:01] <mattfly> aw okay it only happens when they are linked inside the autocomplete path
[14:01] <simulant_> zomaar: tried xrandr and it won't set the resolution
[14:02] <zomaar> simulant_: Can you run "xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste it here just for kicks?
[14:02] <zomaar> Okay
[14:02] <simulant_> zomaar: i think my edid is messed up or something...
[14:02] <zomaar> Right
[14:02] <mattfly> i have it like this /tmp/remote --> remote is the remote fs folder
[14:02] <simulant_> zomaar: just guessing though!
[14:02] <mattfly> if i enter on tmp and type lt gets stuck
[14:02] <simulant_> zomaar: http://termbin.com/fnki
[14:03] <A1Recon> mnkybrdr zomaar ----> i will create a bootable USB and then shut down system. and switch to my mobile irc app for further contact. Thanks.
[14:03] <zomaar> simulant_: You can verify with the read-edid package
[14:03] <A1Recon> and try whatever you guys suggested. wish me luck
[14:04] <zomaar> simulanet_: Read the help on how to use it, you need to do "get-edid | parse-edid" or something
[14:06] <mattfly> oaky i killed all sshfs processess
[14:06] <mattfly> now seems to have no trouble but im unable to mount the remote systems again
[14:06] <mnkybrdr> mattfly: you can try to unmount them and try tab complete
[14:07] <mattfly> it works now but i cant mount them again without having this probolem
[14:07] <simulant_> zomaar: i don't get these edid things - is there a way to just delete them all and get regenerated fresh?
[14:07] <mnkybrdr> mattfly: there should be a way to exclude certain filesystems from tab completion
[14:07] <mnkybrdr> im just looking now
[14:07] <zomaar> simulant_: sudo apt install read-edid
[14:07] <mattfly> is not just tab completition, if i enter them and hit ls it also gets stuck
[14:07] <mattfly> they are not being mounted or something is wrong
[14:08] <mnkybrdr> that seems like the sshfs is running very slowly for some reason
[14:08] <mnkybrdr> how close are these other systems?
[14:08] <zomaar> mattfly: Welcome since Linux remote mount problems since 1993
[14:09] <mnkybrdr> zomaar: at least its not Windows Samba server
[14:09] <mattfly> it used to work fast, but aftr the upgrade something is wrong
[14:09] <mattfly> maybe reinstalling sshfs?
[14:09] <simulant_> zomaar: when i run get-edid | parse-edid it displays an edid but is that for all the monitors or just the screen I ran it on?
[14:09] <mattfly> aw it randomly started working now
[14:09] <mattfly> lol
[14:09] <zomaar> simulant_: I have no idea
[14:09] <mnkybrdr> mattfly: it appears you have may have some network issues (or slight outage)
[14:10] <mattfly> yeah might be mnkybrdr, my connection is pretty slow these days, thanks for your help
[14:10] <mnkybrdr> np
[14:10] <zomaar> mattfly: Better boot older system before you reach that conclusion
[14:11] <mattfly> yeah... i always had problems after upgrading ubuntu or making any change at all... i cant wait to change to 18.04 lts
[14:11] <zomaar> I consider that a bit of a foolish statement :p
[14:12] <zomaar> Stuff is changing too fast for it to be reliable, but that's just me :p
[14:12] <mnkybrdr> mattfly: it gets easier the more you do it
[14:12] <mnkybrdr> and knowing to interpret error messages
[14:13] <mnkybrdr> I upgraded to Ubuntu 17.10 on monday on my laptop and my network wouldnt work.  Turned out something was messed up with DNS
[14:13] <mnkybrdr> but I found the bug online and found the work around
[14:14]  * mnkybrdr hates dnsmasq
[14:14] <zomaar> I like to buy those assembly kits too where you have to solder all the parts
[14:16] <Sven_vB> OpenSCAD just crashed and left a rectangle of garbage on my screen. it survives "killall openscad" (expected because there's nothing suspicious left in xlsclients), survives switching workspaces and even switching to a text console and back. it appears on screenshots but is penetrated by xkill's cursor, so it kills the window behind that rect. how can I get rid of it?
[14:18] <mnkybrdr> Sven_vB: relog maybe quickest
[14:20] <Sven_vB> so you say this X session is beyond repair?
[14:21] <mnkybrdr> I've never been able to solve it on my desktop and as most of my apps remember what was open I simply logged off and on again
[14:21] <Sven_vB> hehe ok. not as easy in my case.
[14:22] <mnkybrdr> I sort of assumed that from your question
[14:22] <dingir> what is secure encryption for /home partition
[14:22] <ren0v0> Hi, can anybody recommend software to sort videos, without using nautilus to open and close each video ?
[14:22] <Sven_vB> dingir, XOR
[14:22] <ren0v0> something you can skip each video and just hit delete or something
[14:23] <dingir> i see encfs comes with a vulnerability warning
[14:23] <dingir> ok let me see
[14:24] <dingir> its a package name?
[14:25] <Cheez> dingir: if you're worried about the encfs issues (and to be fair some arent) there's still cryfs
[14:26] <ducasse> dingir: by default ubuntu uses ecryptfs, not encfs
[14:26] <Cheez> oh, home dir encryption, missed that bit >_<
[14:29] <dingir> Sven_vB: XOR is an enxryption program?
[14:29] <ducasse> dingir: by default ubuntu uses ecryptfs, not encfs
[14:30] <Sven_vB> dingir, no, an algorithm. the disadvantage is that you ned a key file at least as big as the partition you want to encrypt.
[14:30] <dingir> ok
[14:30] <dingir> hrmm
[14:30] <dingir> what does it mean a key file
[14:33] <dingir> if i did not encrypt /home on install is it too late
[14:33] <Sven_vB> dingir, if you want to understand serious answers to your initial question, you should first read a bit about encryption in general. most probably the choice of software isn't even the biggest factor in your security scenario.
[14:34] <ducasse> dingir: the ecryptfs-utils package has scripts to encrypt an existing homedir
[14:36] <zomaar> dingir: Sven_vB is messing with you a little bit, XOR is not a serious encryption program
[14:37] <dingir> thanks
[14:37] <dingir> what do you think are big factors in encryption scenarios..
[14:37] <dingir> also i have a good question
[14:37] <Sven_vB> zomaar, it's the only proven secure algo, when used as one-time pad.
[14:38] <dingir> is an encrypted partition more prominent to failures or compications from an enexpected power failure
[14:38] <Sven_vB> most modern encryptions actually do use XOR at their base, just with a less secure algo for key bits.
[14:38] <zomaar> dingir: Encrypted home directories are difficult to access from outside systems
[14:38] <dingir> am i more likely to loose everything.. like bad blocks at the bad place and you are locked out or something like that
[14:39] <BluesKaj> yea you might lose it if it's loose
[14:39] <mnkybrdr> dingir: especially as I forget passwords
[14:40] <Sven_vB> dingir, yes encryption will make it harder to access your data via irregular methods.
[14:40] <dingir> sometimes i see checkdisk or something checking my file system on boot.. if its encrypted, do i have higher risks of the checkdisc being a fail
[14:40] <zomaar> I wrote my own password cracker for all the times I've lost an encryption password
[14:42] <Sven_vB> dingir, checkdisc should be unable to check your fs at all unless you provide the key.
[14:42] <dingir> is it possible it could get screwed in the right  place that even with the key it could not be read anymore
[14:42] <zomaar> dingir: The problems are a) Forgetting your password b) Accessing through recovery
[14:43] <dingir> recovery means like unexpected shutdown?
[14:43] <Sven_vB> dingir, if you use an encryption method with very small key material, like some random key stored at the start and end of your partition, encrypted with your password, and both key material sections are damaged, your entire data is gone.
[14:44] <zomaar> I would generally recommend against using eCryptFS and use encrypted /home instead, but that's just me
[14:44] <dingir> what you mean use encrypted /home instead
[14:44] <dingir> use what instead of ecrypts?
[14:45] <dingir> Sven_vB:  ok
[14:45] <Sven_vB> if you use XOR-OTP, only those parts of data are lost where the data disk and the key are damaged in the same spot.
[14:46] <zomaar> dingir: That would be an encrypted partition that is mounted on /home and that you need to unlock at boot
[14:46] <dingir> where to get info.on that key thing
[14:46] <zomaar> dingir: But this is not a default option in Ubuntu and would need a lot of knowledge on your part now
[14:46] <dingir> zomaar thats what id like..
[14:47] <zomaar> dingir: What you can do is encrypt your entire system when you install Ubuntu
[14:47] <zomaar> dingir: But Sven_vB is saying that if you use regular encryption with Ubuntu, and the start of your partition gets damaged, the entire partition is now unreadable and unrecoverable for you
[14:48] <dingir> like once i had a hard drive failure i was able to save some files and make a partition that was containing the bad blocks and not use it anymore.. could i have save myself like that if the partition was encrypted
[14:48] <Sven_vB> zomaar, what, they only store the key material in one spot?
[14:48] <dingir> ok so why is the original encryption like that..
[14:49] <zomaar> dingir: You can make a backup of the encryption headers in LUKS
[14:49] <zomaar> Sven_vB: I think so
[14:49] <Sven_vB> wow
[14:50] <zomaar> Sven_vB: I don't think the LUKS header specification has a backup header location...
[14:50] <dingir> i have to backup the part containing the key
[14:50] <dingir> cause if it fails the partition is gone
[14:51] <zomaar> Yes, basically that's it
[14:51] <zomaar> Then you are safe
[14:51] <dingir> and this part is called LUKS headers and this is part of how ecrypts work?
[14:51] <Sven_vB> dingir, you could sync important files to some cloud storage ;)
[14:51] <zomaar> No it is part of how LUKS works
[14:51] <zomaar> Not eCryptFS
[14:51] <dingir> ok
[14:52] <zomaar> LUKS == full system encryption
[14:52] <zomaar> eCryptFS == only your individual files
[14:52] <dingir> so i should use LUKS instead of ecrypts, but luks is not original encryption option?
[14:52] <dingir> ok
[14:52] <dingir> i encrypt the whole disc
[14:52] <zomaar> LUKS is the option you have when selecting "Encrypted LVM using entire disk" when you install Ubuntu
[14:52] <swein> why is 16.04 desktop so picky about lightdm and ubuntu unity starting on login.
[14:53] <zomaar> eCryptFS is the feature called "Encrypted Home Directories"
[14:53] <dingir> ok got it thanks
[14:53] <dingir> what does LVM stand for?
[14:53] <zomaar> !lvm
[14:53] <zomaar> Oh
[14:54] <Sven_vB> probably Logical Volume Management
[14:54] <zomaar> It's a partition table inside an encrypted partition, in this case
[14:54] <dingir> ok
[14:55] <dingir> and to use LUKS i have to encrypt the whole disc, not just a partition is that correct?
[14:55] <zomaar> Yes you are correct, this is true for the standard Ubuntu install
[14:55] <dingir> ok
[14:56] <zomaar> Although you can manually encrypt only /home if you make it a different partition, but this requires a lot of manual work
[14:56] <dingir> and what is the flaw with using ecryptfs already..
[14:56] <dingir> no problem creating a partition i can do it
[14:56] <zomaar> It is very hard to access your data from outside the system
[14:57] <dingir> like from.ssh?
[14:57] <zomaar> It is possible but just hard
[14:57] <zomaar> No, when you boot the Ubuntu Live DVD and then try to access the files on your harddisk
[14:57] <zomaar> You will find it very hard to access them using the provided scripts
[14:58] <zomaar> So if you are in a pinch it is a liability
[14:58] <dingir> oh ok.. is it more likely for a ecryptfs partition to become unrecoverable than a luks one?
[14:58] <zomaar> It doesn't have to be that way, it just is
[14:58] <zomaar> Yes
[14:58] <dingir> ok
[14:59] <zomaar> Let me show you the commands that are about needed to unlock it
[14:59] <dingir> ecryptfs dont have headers i can make backup of?
[14:59] <nabucodonosor33> hi
[15:00] <zomaar> Not even sure if this works on Ubuntu
[15:00] <dingir> zomaar:
[15:00] <zomaar>   mount.ecryptfs /source /home/user -o key=passphrase:passphrase_passwd=$1,ecryptfs_cipher=aes,ecryptfs_key_bytes=32,ecryptfs_passthrough=n,no_sig_cache,ecryptfs_enable_filename_crypto=y
[15:01] <dingir> ok
[15:01] <zomaar> dingir: It is somewhere in your home directory
[15:01] <dingir> what?
[15:02] <zomaar> dingir: But hidden
[15:02] <dingir> lets say:
[15:02] <zomaar> dingir: It's in /home/.ecryptfs/ or something
[15:03] <dingir> i am likely to drop the laptop off the table, is it a better idea to not encrypt filesystem in case of the hardrive being damaged.
[15:03] <dingir> ..like
[15:03] <zomaar> dingir: For Ubuntu it would even be harder I think because it uses a wrapped password
[15:03] <dingir> ok
[15:04] <dingir> like do i have better chance to recover files from a damaged hard drive that is not encrypted or it doesnt matter
[15:05] <zomaar> dingir: LUKS is pretty safe as long as you know how, eCryptFS is also safe if you have enough time and internet access to find out how to do it
[15:05] <zomaar> dingir: But for LUKS you need a backup of the header just in case
[15:06] <zomaar> dingir: In general your chances are reduced with encryption
[15:06] <dingir> ok and for ecryptfs what kinda backup could save me
[15:06] <dingir> ok
[15:06] <zomaar> dag oerheks
[15:06] <zomaar> dingir: A backup of your entire /home, not just /home/user
[15:07] <zomaar> dingir: Or at least of your /home/.ecryptfs/ because otherwise you backup the encrypted files
[15:07] <zomaar> (I think)
[15:07] <dingir> ok thanks man
[15:07] <zomaar> I just would stay away from it myself
[15:08] <dingir> do you use encryption
[15:09] <zomaar> I lost the key that answers that question
[15:10] <dingir> if someone encrypts his hard drice with either luks or ecryptfs and not make backups of headers and .ecryptfs folder, he is doing bad practice and looking for problems... assumption correct?
[15:11] <zomaar> Depends on other backup strategies of existing data you might have in place
[15:12] <zomaar> There is a higher chance your LUKS header will get lost than your eCryptFS thing, but eCryptFS is just harder to use
[15:13] <dingir> ok thanks again ill read on LUKS and eCryptFS
[15:15] <jusss> can I remove a module which is in use?
[15:16] <zomaar> Only from the filesystem
[15:19] <Neo4> why use wget? we can use it for read ulrs like curl?
[15:19] <Neo4> wget -q -O - http://google.com  >/dev/null 2>&1
[15:19] <Neo4> ???
[15:19] <tokam> Hello
[15:19] <Neo4> hi
[15:19] <tokam> I am having problem with this bugfix
[15:19] <tokam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1715552
[15:19] <tokam> *problems.
[15:20] <tokam> "Failed to get gcc information."
[15:20] <tokam> For Patrick's first recipie
[15:21] <tokam> https://askubuntu.com/questions/968959/vmplayer-not-enough-memory-after-upgrade-to-17-10-artful-aardvark
[15:44] <mitmf> dual booting for linux is good idea?
[15:44] <oerheks> mitmf, sure
[15:45] <mitmf> dual booting vs vm, which is better?
[15:47] <oerheks> depends what vm, what host, use the one you like best?
[15:47] <Sven_vB> mitmf, depends on what you want to do with it.
[15:48] <mitmf> thanks :)
[15:48] <jimb_> mitmf, I prefer multi-boot for the times when I don't need to rapidly switch between each OS. If you have something where you are developing/deploying from one environment and need to quickly test changes as seen from another OS... then VM.
[15:49] <s10gopal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646
[15:51] <s10gopal> is it worth to purchase 128 gb ssd for laptop ? (( os ubuntu))
[15:51] <Ubuntu_sec> Hi 2 all
[15:52] <Ubuntu_sec> Will future Intel/AMD microcode updates for Spectre Variant 2 require to update the Ubuntu again, or is it just firmware updates for the CPU/Chipset?
[15:52] <jimb_> s10gopal, SSD uses less power and is lighter (generally speaking)... plus the faster access times are nice. If you do a lot of filling/empty/fill/empty of the drive, then it's less suggested as SSDs do not have the same high number of rewrites as megnetic media (edge case)
[15:54] <kostkon> s10gopal, go for it, did the same, replaced my 250GB HDD with an 120GB SSD
[15:54] <oerheks> Ubuntu_sec, the full pach would be the new microcode, when it is ready, and kernel 4.15. but that kernel won't be backported to 17.10, i hope it will be available in 18.04 LTS
[15:55] <s10gopal> kostkon: apt install work faster ?
[15:55] <Ubuntu_sec> We are currently on Linux 3.13.0-141-generic  (LTS 14.04)
[15:55] <kostkon> s10gopal, it does (quite a bit)
[15:55] <Ubuntu_sec> Will it require another update?
[15:58] <Ubuntu_sec> oerheks - what about Linux 3.13.0-141-generic (LTS 14.04)?
[15:59] <s10gopal> oerheks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646 see this
[15:59] <oerheks> Ubuntu_sec, it would be wise to update to 18.04. when released, older versions will not get the full patched 4.15 kernel AFAIK
[15:59] <oerheks> s10gopal, it is a HP issue, not only your model laptop, why do you still spam this bugreport?
[15:59] <Ubuntu_sec> oerheks - it's beyond my control, this is an AWS image provided by another company
[16:00] <s10gopal> all laptop has this issue and it is os problem not hardware problem
[16:00] <oerheks> Ubuntu_sec, ask them for an updated image?
[16:00] <Ubuntu_sec> oerheks - isn't LTS 14.04 still supported?
[16:01] <oerheks> Ubuntu_sec, yes, they are, but this issue is so deep in hardware, i think it breaks this cycle
[16:01] <Ubuntu_sec> oerheks - they say they would need to test it thoroughly, and it can take weeks/months. We need to be protected
[16:02] <Ubuntu_sec> oerheks - so update to 18.04 will be the only option to be fully protected?
[16:02] <oerheks> Ubuntu_sec,  then ask your intel/amd vendor to provide a good safe cpu
[16:03] <Ubuntu_sec> oerheks - such CPUs don't exist yet. What will be our options to be protected - only upgrade to 18.04 LTS ?
[16:03] <oerheks> !spectre
[16:04] <Ubuntu_sec> !usn
[16:05] <L0g4nAd4ms> I realized that my ubuntu 17.10 somehow automatically changes focus when i hover another window. how can i disable that functionality ß
[16:05] <L0g4nAd4ms> ?
[16:07] <Sven_vB> for anyone with similar problems: I was able to get rid of the non-repainting screen area by de- and re-activating compositing in Settings > Window manager tweaks.
[16:08] <Ubuntu_sec> oerheks - I need to come back to my management with a clear answer  - will 14.04 LTS support the new microcode? If yes - will this require to run another update of the OS itself? If 14.04 LTS may not support the new microcode - what are our options to mitigate - is it only upgrade to 18.04 LTS?
[16:09] <oerheks> Ubuntu_sec, new microcode is in working progress, you would get it with regular updates when available
[16:09] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-microcode
[16:10] <oerheks> you can read here that the last update is pulled back, advisory by intel
[16:10] <oerheks> and it will be published in usn
[16:11] <oerheks> And yes, the safest way is to update to 18.04, ask your AWS vendor for the image, it will be released end of april 2018
[16:12] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[16:12] <Ubuntu_sec> oerheks - so 14.04 LTS is likely to get this support through running "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"? No upgrade to 18.04 LTS will be required? Hopefully the microcode will be released before April, so we would like to be protected as soon as it's available
[16:13] <oerheks> as 4.15 is just released, see kernel.org, intel can do their best to make it safe again. nothing we can do now
[16:17] <Ubuntu_sec> oerheks - so the 3.xx kernel will not get patched?
[16:18] <oerheks> Ubuntu_sec, no, see
[16:18] <oerheks> !meltdown
[16:19] <Ubuntu_sec> oerheks - can I use kernel 4.15 in 14.04 LTS?
[16:19] <oerheks> with HWE you would get a newer kernel
[16:19] <oerheks> not sure 14.04 LTS will get that kernel ..
[16:20] <oerheks> !hwe
[16:21] <Ubuntu_sec> oerheks - so if Intel releases the microcode before 18.04 LTS is released - how do we get that fully patched kernel? Will 16.04 LTS be any better?
[16:23] <oerheks> microcode is not the fully patched kernel, these are 2 seperate things
[16:23] <oerheks> i guess 16.04 is better than the 'old 14.04
[16:28] <Ubuntu_sec> oerheks - thank you! Is there a blog post/article detailing all these option for full protection of Spectre Variant 2?
[16:29] <nacc> oerheks: 14.04 won't, they are on 4.4 (HWE) and that is getting the same patch 16.04.1 is
[16:30] <oerheks> nacc, yes, that is what !meltdown says
[16:30] <nacc> oerheks: yep, just confirming :)
[16:31] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[16:31] <oerheks> comprehensive list with all details
[16:32] <oerheks> this hw issue breaks the lifecycle, i am afraid
[16:34] <dedze> Hi, I receive warnings that my boot something is almost full, I click to open the Disk Usage Analyzer and there is this warning: Error opening directory '/boot/lost+found': Permission denied
[16:35] <dedze> The boot disk is 411.8 MB
[16:35] <dedze> And about 403.11 of it is hiden
[16:35] <dedze> How can I free up some space?
[16:35] <deem> dedze: mostly it's enough to delete some old kernels
[16:35] <oerheks> dedze, perform sudo apt autoremove # to clean up boot from old kernels
[16:36] <deem> 'sudo apt autoremove' should do the trick
[16:36] <dedze> Thanks oki I will try this guys
[16:38] <dedze> Is 1.239 = 1 thousands 239?
[16:38] <dedze> Or is it 1 point 239?
[16:41] <Random832> locale dependent
[16:41] <bbqueen> hi, I have a bunch of drives on my ubuntu installation -- they have all but one been sorted into /dev/disk/by-uuid
[16:41] <bbqueen> is there a reason why any one disk would not be assigned a uuid by ubuntu?
[16:42] <bbqueen> how would I get ubuntu to assign an id to it?
[16:42] <dedze> Thanks guys it cleared a lot in boot!!!!!
[16:43] <ox1de> tech support trouble = I have 2 ubuntu computers - one laptop, one pc - on boot the computer loads and then the screen goes blank after being active for one second - same problem on both - what do i do/
[16:43] <ox1de> ?
[16:44] <shubham> quit
[16:44] <s10gopal> TJ-: when i turn off my laptop , laptop clock's time changes and still getting battery drain
[16:45] <oerheks> oxilook into powermanagment, screen blanc after X sec, or screensaver, depends what ubuntu version
[16:45] <TJ-> s10gopal: is that with the mainline v4.15 kernel you were testing?
[16:45] <s10gopal> TJ-: yes
[16:45] <s10gopal> TJ-: it happens with every kernel
[16:46] <ox1de> power management? how do i navigateto power management with a dead screen?
[16:47] <JoeLlama> What is the the most recent version of ubuntu that runs on 32 bit systems?  I'm told it's 16.04.
[16:47] <oerheks> ox1de, what ubuntu version are you on?
[16:47] <oerheks> so odd, that 2 machines screens go dark after 1 second...
[16:47] <ox1de> i cant remember precisely - a modern version
[16:48] <calimero_82> hi guys, im not able to install ubuntu in jumper ezbook 3 pro.... i have installed it but after the boot it doesn t start
[16:48] <ox1de> i know its troublesome
[16:48] <oerheks> "you know" but don't remember what version ..
[16:49] <ox1de> i know  its odd
[16:49] <oerheks> does this happen from the beginning, or after something you did/upgrade?
[16:49] <ox1de> the systems worked fine for a year and then zonked out
[16:51] <oerheks> oke, then it can not be solved by nomodeset, i guess
[16:51] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[16:52] <TJ-> s10gopal: must be a firmware issue then, something in the motherboard. This is often an issue when manufacturers only design their PCs for MS Windows
[16:52] <oerheks> hp phone home issue, perhaps?
[16:53] <s10gopal> TJ-:   plz read pm
[16:53] <TJ-> s10gopal: I can't, I have PM blocked
[16:54] <s10gopal> TJ-: [22:18] <s10gopal> i'm college student , can you please suggest me which tools should i learn and work on linux tools or windows tools . i'm intreasted in working on IOT
[16:56] <TJ-> s10gopal: Hmmm, that'd depend on the devices you're targeting, but generally you need to focus on 'embedded' Linux tools and how to build very small kernels and userspaces, plus special ways of interfacing to the hardware (serial/UART ports and so on)
[16:57] <s10gopal> TJ-: thx
[16:59] <qswz> when I have the follwing rsa public key, the last bits are optional and can be changed right?  ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQDBKsshcy..../qF caub@tp
[17:17] <dax> qswz: the caub@tp bit? yes
[17:18] <qswz> dax: ah thanks
[17:21] <Euph0ria> msg nickserv identify LxtCenuxBabkf1I
[17:21] <jimb_> I don't think that went as planned
[17:21] <dax> Euph0ria: you just sent that to about 1500 people. I suggest /msg nickserv help set password
[17:24] <ash_work> when you do a reverse history search (ctrl+r), can you escape out of that
[17:24] <ash_work> ?
[17:24] <ash_work> without leaving the command it tries to find?
[17:25] <leftyfb> CTRL+C
[17:25] <jimb_> ash_work, you may want to hit END first...depending on where the cusor is
[17:29] <ash_work> leftyfb: thanks :)
[17:34] <texla> Syntax errors are detected in  /etc/default/grub
[17:34] <texla> and /etc/grub.d/* files..How do I correct?
[17:34] <general_ghest> hello all
[17:35] <TBotNik> All: Looking for a good "Speech to Text" app for Ubuntu.  Anyone know where one is?
[17:37] <d3f3nd3r> where is the german ubuntu IRC?
[17:39] <EriC^> !de | d3f3nd3r
[17:39] <rlangford77> Where can I find out if ubuntu/canonical has an SNS topic for ami publish events?  Trying to keep things updated response to spectre/meltdown.
[17:40] <general_ghest> Just upgraded amd video drivers and now my ubuntu hangs out. I only see a start screen and pc refused to boot.
[17:40] <d3f3nd3r> ty ubottu
[17:42] <general_ghest> Have someone problems with amd catalyst video drivers?
[17:44] <general_ghest> How can i change driver to previous version? from console
[17:53] <nacc> rlangford77: you want #ubuntu-server
[17:56] <Amis> Hello! What is the most simple way to forward a port from server A to a local port on computer B? I do not have access to server A (it's a webserver) but I do have full access to computer B. Computer B is an ubuntu machine.
[17:56] <nacc> Amis: afaik, you'd either need access to the router in front of A or to A itself.
[17:57] <Amis> nacc, no simple "forwarding" like.... emulating NAT or something on an Ubuntu machine?
[17:58] <nacc> Amis: I don't understand how you'd forward traffic intended for A if you don't modify A or the network in front of A.
[17:58] <maximCH> if you can't access computer A or all routers that directly connect to computer A it can't be done.
[17:58] <TJ-> Amis: if you want a port on A forwarded elsewhere you need admin access to A
[17:58] <neurre> am I supposed to have /bin directory?
[17:58] <nacc> Amis: your request doesn't make sense as currently expressed
[17:58] <nacc> neurre: yes
[17:59] <neurre> i installed win 10, then ubuntu, then after a while ubuntu stopped from booting, there is no grub menu visible at all
[17:59] <Amis> nacc, maximCH : sorry. My questing was misleading. I CAN access the port on server A that I want to forward. I just don't have real access like SSH or anything like that.
[17:59] <neurre> i booted to live cd and mounted the linux filesystem
[17:59] <neurre> and i cant chroot to it because there is no bin..
[17:59] <Gencade> neurre: >After a while.
[17:59] <nacc> neurre: then you maybe mounted the wrong filesystem?
[17:59] <Gencade> what's that mean, do you remember the event that happened before? it
[18:00] <nacc> Amis: what do you mean you can 'access the port on server A'?
[18:00] <nacc> Amis: if you mean you reach A:<port> that's not the point.
[18:00] <maximCH> Amis: define access to the port you have then if you don't have ssh to the machine?
[18:00] <neurre> Gencade, not really, I suspected windows 10 update had nuked grub2
[18:00] <neurre> nacc, I dont think so, https://pastebin.com/N43rSdXy and I mounted /dev/sda5
[18:00] <Gencade> neurre: Hm.  Is ubuntu listed at all in your boot menu?
[18:01] <Amis> nacc, maximCH : it's pretty simple, I may be just bad at explaining :D. Say computer B can access imgur.com:80. There's computer C without internet access but can see computer B so I want to imgur:80 -> B:8080 -> C
[18:01] <neurre> Gencade, I dont get a boot menu. Or do you mean bios/uefi? Only windows in bios/uefi
[18:01] <neurre> Unless I go to uefi bios, no menu ever shows up
[18:01] <Amis> So computer B is like a router...
[18:02] <neurre> i have fast boot and secure boot disabled
[18:02] <maximCH> Amis:  so you want to use computer B e.g. as a proxy ...
[18:02] <Amis> maximCH, sorta
[18:02] <Amis> But for just one single IP:PORT combo, nothing complicated
[18:02] <neurre> anyway I am happy to nuke this ubuntu installation and reinstall it
[18:03] <neurre> but the installer will not offer install alongside option
[18:03] <maximCH> Amis: ssh into computer B with -D 8080 set ... then set the proxy of the web browser on the computer you're using to access computer B to localhost:8080 ... and then you can access computer A from the machine you're logging into computer B from.
[18:03] <neurre> so I suppose in order to get the installer to offer the "install along windows" option again, I need to nuke the old ubuntu installation?
[18:04] <rlangford77> @nacc, thanks!
[18:04] <nacc> rlangford77: np
[18:09] <sepiakid67> hi
[18:09] <sepiakid67> rip
[18:09] <sepiakid67> s
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> sepiakid67: welcome, how can we help you?
[18:10] <sepiakid67> im uh
[18:10] <sepiakid67> im tryna set up pidgin
[18:10] <nacc> sepiakid67: pllease don't use enter as punctuation, just ask your question in one line
[18:10] <sepiakid67> (with freenode)
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> sepiakid67: there's a nice #pidgin channel if you want
[18:11] <sepiakid67> how do i leave
[18:11] <kostkon> sepiakid67, there are better options for irc
[18:12] <sepiakid67> yeah hexchat isnt working
[18:12] <arooni> question;  almost *every time* i try to resume from suspend on ubuntu my machine locks up leading to me needing to force shutdown/reboot.  very annoying.  ubuntu 16.04 w/ lenovo t420.  questions: 1) any fix? 2) would trying hibernate work any better?
[18:12] <sepiakid67> it isnt auto-logging into the channels when i open and shit it
[18:12] <sepiakid67> oops
[18:12] <kostkon> sepiakid67, which one is it. from the repos or the snap one?
[18:12] <sepiakid67> repos
[18:12] <TJ-> arooni: is the PC using the acpi_osi= workaround
[18:13] <kostkon> sepiakid67, try the snap version.  sudo snap install hexchat
[18:13] <sepiakid67> kthx
[18:15] <Amis> maximCH, I never knew that you could create a proxy server with SSH. Most useful thing of the week. Thanks.
[18:17] <sravan> Hiiii
[18:17] <sravan> I am new to it
[18:17] <FrameFever> how can I install  g++4.9 as 32 bit version?
[18:17] <FrameFever> ubunut 14.04
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> !support | sravan
[18:18] <sravan> oh thank you!
[18:18] <arooni> TJ-: is that in /default/grub
[18:18] <TJ-> arooni: it'd show up with "cat /proc/cmdline"
[18:19] <arooni> TJ-: heres my line ; BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-26-generic root=UUID=e2134f25-3709-4afb-85e9-72b1e6b46ca3 ro acpi_backlight=vendor acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2012" quiet splash crashkernel=384M-:128M vt.handoff=7
[18:19] <TJ-> arooni: but yes, it would be configured from /etc/default/grub
[18:19] <sepiakid67> shit how do i change username on hexchat?
[18:19] <nacc> FrameFever: afaics, 4.9 is only availably in 16.04
[18:19] <sepiakid67> i cant log in
[18:19] <nacc> sepiakid67: please watch your language, we try to be family friendly in the channel
[18:19] <sepiakid67> and the answer is
[18:19] <TJ-> arooni: OK, so yes, it is using acpi_osi ... can you "pastebinit /var/log/kern.log" ?
[18:20] <arooni> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26490734/
[18:20] <sravan> anybody know any mobile sync application for connecting and sync the mobile? (for ubuntu 16.04)
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> sravan: sync what on wich device?
[18:22] <sepiakid67> ill just reinstall hechat
[18:23] <neurre> installer is stuck on Detecting filesystems...
[18:23] <neurre> what can I do?
[18:23] <TJ-> arooni: well that log is full of UFW blocking messages but not boot or suspend/resume history. Looks like you need to fix those UFW rules since it looks to be blocking a lot of local and IPv6 connections
[18:23] <sravan> lotuspsychje: to connect Samsung galaxy A7 to ubuntu desktop and i want to sync my contacts.
[18:24] <arooni>  TJ- i trust no one
[18:24] <TJ-> arooni: looks like you don't trust your own PC
[18:24] <FrameFever> nacc: I can install it, but It seems to be not 32 bit
[18:25] <neurre> anyone know about the Ubuntu installer?
[18:25] <neurre> it seems to be stuck for me :(
[18:25] <neurre> https://pastebin.com/XpKZPxb4
[18:25] <sepiakid66> kk
[18:26] <nacc> FrameFever: using what package name?
[18:26] <sepiakid66> some sort of gnome error
[18:26] <sravan> neurre: mention the difficulties
[18:27] <neurre> The installer UI is stuck, it shows Detecting file systems...
[18:27] <neurre> There is Skip button, but it is ghosted
[18:27] <neurre> it is not making any progress
[18:28] <neurre> and I am afraid this computer might not boot properly now
[18:28] <sepiakid67> try reinstalling
[18:28] <neurre> is there anything I could do at this point?
[18:28] <neurre> can i just kill the installer?
[18:28] <oerheks> neure, looking at that output, sda2 is ntfs, but not found.. maybe it contains errors?
[18:28] <sepiakid66> well if nothing happens, then get another copy
[18:28] <oerheks> neure, did you resize it ?
[18:28] <neurre> no
[18:29] <TJ-> arooni: you'll need to capture a log just after it fails when the kernel messages are still there, rather than being swamped with UFW messages
[18:29] <sravan> are you using USB or Disc?
[18:29] <sepiakid66> try wiping it with gparted
[18:29] <neurre> i chose the install along side in the begining, the installer prompted to choose how the partitions are sized, I did not make any changes
[18:29] <neurre> there is pre-existing non-working installation
[18:29] <neurre> ok
[18:29] <neurre> so I kill the installer now?
[18:30] <oerheks> neurre, "there is pre-existing non-working installation"... any more info you forget to mention?
[18:31] <neurre> oerheks, I had machine with Windows 10. I installed ubuntu to it (alongside). I was able to dual boot for a while, then grub/ubuntu boot option disappeared
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> sravan: can this help? https://www.linux.com/learn/how-sync-android-linux-desktop
[18:31] <neurre> and the computer keeps booting directly to windows. I suspect some windows update overwrote MBR or something
[18:32] <neurre> so i am trying to get linux back to this computer
[18:32] <neurre> so i run installed again from live USB stick
[18:32] <oerheks> neurre, that can easily be fixed, boot the live iso and follow the reinstall grub from the !grub wiki
[18:32] <neurre> installer
[18:32] <oerheks> !grub
[18:32] <sravan> neurre: nothing wrong in rebooting the system
[18:32] <neurre> oerheks, well the linux installation does not seem to be a functional one, it is missing /bin for example...
[18:32] <neurre> i have no idea why
[18:33] <neurre> I tried one of the fix steps (chroot) from the link you posted
[18:33] <neurre> I'll just kill the installer and try again
[18:34] <neurre> i could try to remove the old linux installation completely
[18:34] <sravan> neurre: i think that make sense.
[18:34] <neurre> what is the installer called?
[18:34] <sravan> try from scratch again
[18:34] <neurre> i dont immediately spot it with ps
[18:34] <zomaar> ubiquity
[18:35] <zomaar> but you need to close down everything before you retry again
[18:35] <zomaar> Ie. you have to deactivate swap
[18:35] <zomaar> And close filesystems
[18:35] <neurre> so easier just reboot?
[18:35] <zomaar> Or it will fail with horrible spasms
[18:35] <zomaar> :)
[18:35] <neurre> you think if i reboot at this point I can still to windows ?
[18:35] <zomaar> If that doesn't take time for you
[18:36] <zomaar> Grub should have been installed with Windows as option, if it was installed at all
[18:36] <zomaar> The bootloader doesn't always work though....
[18:36] <neurre> im not sure what you mean
[18:36] <zomaar> Smart thinking though
[18:36] <zomaar> Was Grub installed?
[18:36] <sravan> neurre: If u didn't touch d drive in which u installed windows, nothing to worry. U can try from the scratch
[18:36] <neurre> has it already been installed at this point?
[18:36] <gutji> hello, i have some issues when using my microphone audio in viber and skype. my voice has a  weird echo sound. my output of lspci | grep Audio is : https://paste.ubuntu.com/26490805/
[18:36] <neurre> sravan, in the beginning it says it does save some changes on the drive
[18:37] <neurre> but it is not very explicit about what changes it does
[18:37] <neurre> some partition table stuff i think
[18:37] <neurre> very scary
[18:37] <neurre> oh well
[18:37] <neurre> i will try my luck
[18:37] <zomaar> How soon did you break off?
[18:37] <zomaar> Wait
[18:37] <neurre> well
[18:37] <sravan> gutji: Please go to the setting and change the device config.
[18:37] <neurre> it is stuck in the step where it has asked about time zone
[18:37] <neurre> and keyboard
[18:38] <neurre> but not asked about user name yet
[18:38] <zomaar> Then I don't think it has installed Grub
[18:38] <neurre> but it did save *some* changes
[18:38] <gutji> sravan: where exactly
[18:38] <neurre> i hope those did not erase windows boot loader..
[18:38] <zomaar> Yes partition table
[18:38] <zomaar> No
[18:38] <neurre> okay
[18:38] <neurre> then I will just reboot the USB
[18:38] <zomaar> Ok
[18:39] <zomaar> If you complete you can boot through Grub anyway
[18:39] <zomaar> It wasn't necessary to reinstall Linux though
[18:39] <zomaar> As miss Oerheks indicated
[18:40] <sravan> gutji: please refer this link https://support.skype.com/en/faq/fa897/troubleshooting-problems-with-skype-calls
[18:40] <neurre> brb
[18:41] <gutji> sravan: I did that already but I did not resolve my issue
[18:41] <gutji> it*
[18:43] <sravan> gutji: http://www.thewindowsclub.com/no-video-audio-sound-skype
[18:43] <sravan> try this. still u face problem please confirm that ur microphone is working properly
[18:47] <neurre> ok
[18:47] <neurre> im back
[18:47] <neurre> first i want copy a few files before i nuke the old installation
[18:47] <zomaar> I hope you did not select formatting
[18:48] <zomaar> The scary stuff
[18:48] <Furai> Hey, did any of you guys use SonicWall's NetExtender in the latest version of ubuntu? I can't seem to make it work. There must be some routing issue or something.
[18:49] <nacc> Furai: is it an ubuntu package?
[18:49] <zomaar> neurre: It does not select format by default
[18:49] <neurre> zomaar, i am not there yet, copying some files first
[18:49] <gutji> sravan: I have recorded my mic with audio-recorder it seems that it is muted
[18:49] <zomaar> I mean last time
[18:49] <neurre> cp is fast but sync after takes ages :P
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> !who | zomaar neurre
[18:50] <Furai> nacc, as far as I know it's not.
[18:51] <nacc> Furai: then you want to contact SonicWall, not us :)
[18:51] <zomaar> Not applicable, ubottu ;-)
[18:51] <Furai> I'm asking here if someone had some experience with it, that's all. Maybe someone already did make it work somehow. Anyway, thanks.
[18:52] <nacc> Furai: polling is also not really appropriate for this channel, and any related discussion would end up offtopic
[18:52] <neurre> can i see progress of sync somehow?
[18:52] <nacc> neurre: of the `sync` command?
[18:52] <sravan> gutji: please confirm that hardware is properly connected and not muted
[18:52] <neurre> nacc, yes
[18:52] <nacc> neurre: not really
[18:53] <neurre> so I cannot see filesystem cache used buffer size anyhow?
[18:53] <sravan> lotuspsychje: Thank you! it worked. (https://www.linux.com/learn/how-sync-android-linux-desktop)
[18:53] <nacc> neurre: why would that help?
[18:54] <neurre> nacc, I have no idea how long I have to wait :(
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> !yay | sravan
[18:54] <FrameFever> nacc: g++-4.9
[18:54] <nacc> neurre: sure, but seeing what is in the fs cache won't change that. sync doesn't drop the chache
[18:54] <FrameFever> I want to install g++-4.9-multilib
[18:54] <nacc> FrameFever: taht package is not available on 14.04. `apt-cache policy g++-4.9` in a pastebin please.
[18:55] <nacc> FrameFever: not available *from ubuntu*, that is
[18:55] <neurre> how about filesystem statistics?
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> !latest | FrameFever
[18:55] <neurre> is there something that can show how much data is being read/written for each filesystem?
[18:55] <zomaar> neurre: what sync command are you talking about?
[18:55] <FrameFever> nacc: I need this package on travis
[18:55] <FrameFever> there is only 14.04
[18:55] <neurre> zomaar, I did cp stuff from linux filesystem to USB drive
[18:55] <FrameFever> right now I am testing live on 16.04
[18:56] <sravan> thank you <lotuspsychje> <ubottu>
[18:56] <neurre> zomaar, then I did "sync" to make sure the stuff actually goes to the stick
[18:56] <sravan> :)
[18:56] <zomaar> neurre: Oh
[18:56] <neurre> it is USB3 stick so it should not be too slow
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> sravan: celementine can sync music to phones too, have you tested?
[18:56] <FrameFever> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26490887/
[18:56] <neurre> and the amount of files was not much
[18:56] <zomaar> neurre: You can see dirty buffers in cat /proc/vmstat | grep nr_dirty
[18:57] <nacc> FrameFever: not relaly somethig we can help (adding nonsupported packages to 14.04)
[18:57] <nacc> FrameFever: reading your paste
[18:57] <EriC^^> neurre: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/48235/can-i-watch-the-progress-of-a-sync-operation
[18:57] <nacc> FrameFever: well, did you run `sudo apt-get update` like it said?
[18:58] <sravan> @lotuspsychje: Nop. let me try that.
[18:59] <neurre> well I have Dirty stuck to 50060 and writeback is around 13k and really slowly going down
[18:59] <neurre> Dirty is not going down
[18:59] <qswz> msg nickserv identify hunter2
[19:00] <qswz> :p
[19:01] <Galaxor> Two machines I'm on are using slightly different collations.  It's making it hard to compare directory contents, because ls returns the filenames in different orders, and the sort command sorts it in the same way as ls, so the sort output is different on the different machines too.
[19:02] <zomaar> Galaxor: You can use LANG=C if you want
[19:02] <Galaxor> I'm thinking this has something to do with locales, but I don't know what the deal is.  echo $LANG yields en_US.UTF-8 on both.
[19:02] <neurre> funny, seems like I cannot even sudo kill -9 the sync process :P
[19:03] <Galaxor> zomaar: Oh, good idea, thanks.
[19:03] <akik> Galaxor: try LC_COLLATE=C
[19:03] <nacc> neurre: right, it'll be in uninterruptible sleep
[19:03] <nacc> neurre: 'D' state
[19:03] <nacc> neurre: killing it would be a bad idea generally
[19:03] <cruzador> Hey guys, hoping for an explanation here. I have my boss who is starting a screen session on a VPS under 'user'. When I login as root, su - user, then try to attach I get "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check.". But, if I do this "script /dev/null" before running "screen -x", it works! Why is that?
[19:03] <neurre> i think im just going to reboot and try again next time
[19:03] <TJ-> neurre: if sync is TASK_UNINTERRUPTABLE only a reboot will work
[19:03] <zomaar> Unplug the stick
[19:04] <zomaar> Try a smaller write
[19:04] <Galaxor> akik: Aha, I tried to set LC_COLLATE=C, and I think I found the source of the difference.  One of the machines responded "-bash: warning: setlocale: LC_COLLATE: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8): No such file or directory".
[19:04] <akik> Galaxor: LC_COLLATE=C makes it show dot files/dirs first
[19:04] <neurre> zomaar, that did it :D
[19:04] <neurre> idk why that stick didnt make any progress
[19:04] <Galaxor> akik: So it looks like I haven't actually installed en_US.UTF-8 on that machine.
[19:04] <neurre> i'll try another one
[19:05] <zomaar> neurre: You can also do sudo sysctl vm.dirty_writeback_bytes=1048768 to have almost zero write buffers
[19:06] <zomaar> dirty_background_bytes
[19:06] <zomaar> And dirty_bytes to 2* that
[19:06] <cruzador> nvm, found my answer here: https://serverfault.com/questions/255521/why-does-redirecting-script-to-dev-null-allow-screen-to-work-while-sued-a :)
[19:07] <zomaar> neurre: If you do sudo sysctl vm.dirty_bytes=1048768 you will have 1MB of max write buffers for the entire system
[19:07] <zomaar> neurre: Then if you do cp -v you will see the actual progress
[19:08] <neurre> that is exactly what im doing now
[19:08] <neurre> thanks
[19:08] <gutji> sravan: It is conencted indeed, now the sound cracks
[19:08] <neurre> I see what i was copying now
[19:08] <neurre> even cp goes to D state
[19:09] <Galaxor> So, I installed the locale and now the two sort the same way.  I ran:  sudo /usr/share/locales/install-language-pack en_US.UTF-8
[19:11] <oerheks> fresh ClamAV available https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3550-1/
[19:12] <neurre> so how should i try to do the reinstalling?
[19:14] <zomaar> If you didn't botch the existing install you don't need to
[19:14] <zomaar> But the installer deletes everything @neurre
[19:14] <neurre> i am afraid my installation is already broken
[19:14] <neurre> but I think my Live USB stick is not good
[19:14] <neurre> i got a different issue now
[19:14] <zomaar> neurre: Then it's up to you and the same thing as initially
[19:15] <joche> Hello
[19:15] <neurre> Jan 30 19:13:26 ubuntu ubiquity: /usr/lib/ubiquity/localechooser/localechooser: 41: /usr/lib/ubiquity/localechooser/languagemap: logger: Input/output error
[19:15] <neurre> I will get a new USB stick tomorrow
[19:16] <neurre> and redownload installer image
[19:16] <neurre> at least I was able to copy all my  files to the USB stick
[19:16] <neurre> thanks everyone
[19:16] <zomaar> yw
[19:20] <iceland> did ya
[19:34] <Outy> Hi @ll :)
[19:37] <wodim> libmagickwand-dev : Depends: libmagickwand-6.q16-dev but it is not going to be installed
[19:37] <wodim> what does this mean
[19:38] <kostkon> wodim, apt-cache policy libmagickwand-de libmagickwand-6.q16-dev
[19:39] <kostkon> wodim, sorry, that should be   apt-cache policy libmagickwand-dev libmagickwand-6.q16-dev
[19:39] <wodim> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26491117/
[19:39] <wodim> kostkon, ^
[19:40] <kostkon> wodim, do a   sudo apt-get clean   then a   sudo apt-get update   and try again
[19:40] <wodim> exactly the same
[19:41] <kostkon> wodim, might be a problem with the mirror, you could try changing to a different one in software & updates (alternatively open your updater and click on settings)
[19:41] <leftyfb> wodim: sudo apt install libmagickwand-dev libmagickwand-6.q16-dev
[19:42] <wodim> leftyfb,  libmagickwand-6.q16-dev : Depends: libmagickcore-6.q16-dev (= 8:6.8.9.9-7ubuntu5.9) but it is not going to be installed
[19:42] <Outy> TJ-: Man you're a geek - just watched your launchpad profile ;)
[19:42] <wodim> added that one:  libmagickcore-6.q16-dev : Depends: libtiff-dev
[19:42] <leftyfb> wodim: sudo apt install libmagickwand-6.q16-dev
[19:42] <leftyfb> then add libtiff-dev
[19:42] <wodim> ah ok it all comes down to this
[19:42] <wodim>  liblzma-dev : Depends: liblzma5 (= 5.1.1alpha+20120614-2ubuntu2) but 5.2.2-1.2 is to be installed
[19:42] <wodim> :/
[19:42] <leftyfb> wodim: what exactly are you trying to install?
[19:42] <wodim> libmagickwand-dev
[19:42] <leftyfb> no
[19:43] <leftyfb> wodim: what exactly are you trying to install?
[19:43] <wodim> I need the dev package for a pypi package
[19:43] <leftyfb> which pypi package?
[19:43] <wodim> I'm not going to install the python library from the repos if that's what you're going to suggest
[19:43] <leftyfb> wodim: which pypi package?
[19:43] <wodim> wand
[19:45] <wodim> it all comes down to liblzma-dev being broken
[19:45] <wodim> well, "broken". depends on an outdated package
[19:45] <kostkon> wodim, how do you know that
[19:45] <wodim>  liblzma-dev : Depends: liblzma5 (= 5.1.1alpha+20120614-2ubuntu2) but 5.2.2-1.2 is to be installed
[19:46] <leftyfb> wodim: I have liblzma-dev installed just fine
[19:46] <leftyfb> version 5.1.1alpha+20120614-2ubuntu2
[19:47] <wodim> could it be because of xenial-updates ?
[19:47] <wodim> or xenial-backports ?
[19:47] <leftyfb> wodim: you should try changing your repo from de.archive to us.archive
[19:47] <wodim> aaah hell, I think I know what's going on
[19:47] <Sohron_> backports is not supported i believe, so it can make a problem
[19:48] <leftyfb> wodim: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26491152/
[19:48] <leftyfb> Sohron_: it's not backports
[19:48] <wodim> nah it's zesty I think
[19:49] <leftyfb> what's zesty?
[19:49] <kostkon> wodim, where?
[19:49] <leftyfb> from your pastebin, it looks like you're running xenial. You shouldn't have any zesty repo's enabled or else you run into issues similar to what you're experiencing
[19:50] <wodim> yeah that's what happened I think
[19:50] <wodim> I did it months ago so I did not remember :/
[20:08] <Toxygene> Does anyone know if Ubuntu / bash have a per-user version of /etc/profile.d?
[20:09] <Toxygene> Something like ~/.bash_profile.d/ ?
[20:11] <jimb_> Toxygene, such as ~/.bashrc ?
[20:12] <Toxygene> More like a per-user directory that all the files in it are source'd
[20:12] <maximCH> Amis: you're welcome .. :) (sorry... was afk)
[20:13] <jimb_> Toxygene, well, the ~/.bashrc is sourced at login
[20:13] <leftyfb> Toxygene: https://medium.com/@waxzce/use-bashrc-d-directory-instead-of-bloated-bashrc-50204d5389ff
[20:14] <Sohron_> Toxygene: one can source anything from ~/.bashrc
[20:15] <Toxygene> leftyfb: Perfect, that looks like what I'm looking for
[20:15] <jimb_> leftyfb, Interesting... instead of a single file broken up into groups, the idea is to create many files with the same content that would have been merged into one.
[20:15] <Sohron_> Toxygene: look at /etc/bash.bashrc
[20:15] <leftyfb> jimb_: it's good for profiles based on machine or ssh key or work/home
[20:15] <Sohron_> Toxygene: look at /etc/profile
[20:15] <Sohron_> though :D
[20:16] <akik> leftyfb: man bash doesn't mention .bashrc.d ?
[20:16] <leftyfb> akik: it's not a thing. Just create it yourself and add to .bashrc to source everything in it
[20:16] <leftyfb> akik: it could be called ~/.mystuff for all anyone cares :)
[20:16] <akik> yea no thanks
[20:17] <Toxygene> Yea, that's even better. I can create /etc/profile.d/per-user-things and that'll source everything in $HOME/.profile.d
[20:18] <jimb_> leftyfb, I see how it could be useful if you wanted to use specific versions of each file for certain users. Thanks for the info.
[20:20] <ioria> not everything
[20:23] <leftyfb> ioria: not everything?
[20:24] <ioria> leftyfb, for env is good, but func definitions are available only in n that shell instance
[20:24] <ioria> leftyfb, you still need .bashrc
[20:34] <TheSHAD0W> Having some head-scratching problems with samba.  ioria: Still on?
[20:34] <leftyfb> ioria: I don't follow. I have functions in .bashrc.d and sourced using .bashrc
[20:34] <ioria> leftyfb, i thought we were talking about  /etc/profile.d ..
[20:35] <leftyfb> ioria: nope, I don't use that.
[20:35] <TheSHAD0W> ioria: Still having some issues.  I enabled SMBv1 on this machine to see if that was part of the problem.  When I did, the machine did pop up under the file manager...  But so did another machine that doesn't have v1 enabled.
[20:35] <ioria> leftyfb, sy, that's what Toxygene said ... /etc/profile.d
[20:36] <ioria> TheSHAD0W, how ? Add-WindowsFeature FS-SMB1 ?
[20:39] <TheSHAD0W> This was enabled on the Windows machine.
[20:40] <TheSHAD0W> This was working before, so I'd guess SMBv1 was enabled back then.  At some point SMBv1 was disabled by default, due to security problems.
[20:42] <ImageJPEG> I see there's php-fpm and php7.0-fpm. What version is the former?
[20:42] <jerichowasahoax> ImageJPEG: I want to say 5.x but I'm not entirely sure
[20:42] <jerichowasahoax> !info php-fpm
[20:42] <Outy> syntax question:  I try to learn find. I try to find a folder called "Scans" so I do search for "can" like this:  find .  -path '*can*'     but this will also print out files with "can" in its file names
[20:43] <Outy> where am i wrong
[20:43] <jerichowasahoax> ImageJPEG: actually now that i think about it, php-fpm could just be a virtual package that acts like an "alias" for php7.0-fpm
[20:43] <ioria> TheSHAD0W, try enable it again (but it's a winn issue, i guess)
[20:43] <dv`_> Outy: -type d
[20:44] <ioria> TheSHAD0W, something like : Enable-WindowsOptionalFeature
[20:44] <Outy> dv but is -path not excluding file names ?
[20:45] <Outy> dv why is there -name and -path when it makes no difference  im confused
[20:45] <dv`_> Outy: -path is full path, -name is just the filename
[20:46] <jimb_> Outy, `find ./ -type d -iname Scans`
[20:47] <Outy> thanks dv & jimb  will try and learn
[20:47] <dv`_> the manual page is your best friend for that
[20:47] <jimb_> Outy, `man find`
[20:48]  * jimb_ loves `find`, especially when used with -exec
[20:49] <TheSHAD0W> ioria: It's more complicated than that, it seems.  Still testing.  This may be fun.  :-P
[20:50] <ioria> TheSHAD0W, ok, but you have a win7 config that i ever met
[20:51] <Outy> wanted this to work my way:  find /media/hal9000/SanDisk\ SDXC/ -path -type d '*can*'   but now it gives me: find: paths must precede expression: d
[20:51] <Outy>  nasty
[20:51] <TheSHAD0W> Well, seems Win7 doesn't disable SMBv1 by default, apparently I did it manually.
[20:51] <ioria> ok
[20:52] <Outy> found it
[20:52] <TheSHAD0W> The problem is, SMB1 has a serious vulnerability and is deprecated.  Win10 has it disabled by default.
[20:52] <Outy> first -type d then -path
[20:53] <TheSHAD0W> I'm wondering if there's a problem with Samba in that it doesn't pick up devices that only have SMB2.  Win8+ has SMB3.
[20:53] <ioria> TheSHAD0W, samba should be use only on lan,  behind  a router fw
[20:54] <ioria> +ed
[20:54] <TheSHAD0W> ioria: Yup, and that's what I'm doing, but still.
[20:56] <Outy> dv & jimb : got it -name can be characters in a filename or dirname
[20:57] <ImageJPEG> Yep, php-fpm seems to be a meta package
[20:57] <Outy> -type d is for searchin in dirnames only
[20:57] <jimb_> Outy, Yes. I use "-iname" as it's not case sensitive
[20:57] <jimb_> Outy, Yes. Since you were looking explicitly for a directory, I figured that would reduce wasteless output
[20:57] <jimb_> *wasteful
[20:57] <Outy> jimb read that a sec ago :)
[20:59] <jimb_> Outy, When searching for find usage information, it may also be helpful to look for `GNU find` versus only `find`... ambiguous word
[21:00] <Outy> jimb thanks, i read about version differences before - im aware of that :)
[21:01] <Outy> jimb_:  im using linux for 1,5y now  time to go depper
[21:01] <jimb_> Outy, You are welcome.
[21:01] <Outy> deeper
[21:01] <jimb_> Outy, if you ever think you have went deep enough... then grab some of the kernel bugs and pluck away ;)
[21:02] <Outy> jimb_:  *smiles*  that will take some time ^^
[21:03] <lolBanana> I am setting up LXD for the first time and I want to get it so it would put any new containers on my local network just like a VM would, I am following the guide here: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/04/07/lxd-networking-lxdbr0-explained/ but I am a bit confused, since my port isn't eth0 should i replace eth0 with whatever the name of the port I have?
[21:03] <Outy> ifconfig
[21:04] <Outy> lolBanana: ifconfig will show your network devices very well
[21:05] <lolBanana> Outy: i know  that but i am confused as to how i should issue the command so that LXD containers would use my local network rather its own bridge
[21:05] <lolBanana> Outy: article says the command is "lxc profile device set default eth0 parent eth0" should I replace 'eth0' with the name of my port that shows in ifconfig?
[21:05] <nacc> lolBanana: well it still uses its own bridge, it's just a bridge to an actual physical device
[21:06] <nacc> lolBanana: that is nont what the article says (containerbr) at the end
[21:06]  * TheSHAD0W will leave SMBv1 enabled for now, wannacrypt probably won't make it onto his intranet but you never know
[21:06] <TheSHAD0W> Thank you ioria.
[21:06] <nacc> lolBanana: but yes, you want to s/eth0/your device name/
[21:06] <TheSHAD0W> ... Who's gone.
[21:07] <Outy> lolBanana: is ther a lot code to replace?  maybe someone knows how to redirect or link eth0 to whatever eth* device you have
[21:07] <lolBanana> nacc: ok so, my port is enp0s3 so the command should be "lxc profile device set default eth0 parent enp0s3" ?
[21:07] <Outy> like a virtual device
[21:08] <Outy> thats what i thougt of
[21:08] <nacc> lolBanana: no.
[21:08] <nacc> lolBanana: again, you seem to be misreading the page?
[21:08] <nacc> lolBanana: you are oly chaning eth0 to somethign else
[21:09] <lolBanana> nacc: so how should i write command?
[21:09] <nacc> lolBanana: ok, read the page again. You are only changing eth0 to enp0s3. Not other strings to other stringns.
[21:10] <nacc> lolBanana: you can start at the sentence 'Sometimes, though, ...'
[21:10] <lolBanana> nacc: those aren't commands, i read that but those aren't commands
[21:10] <nacc> lolBanana: what?
[21:10] <nacc> lolBanana: which method are you trying to do?
[21:11] <anarky999> Can someone answer a question about gnu ddrescue?
[21:11] <Outy> anarky999: i can
[21:12] <Outy> anarky999: doingg this all day helping me to rescue data for my customers
[21:12] <anarky999> Ok the hard drive stopped being readable after 1tb of data was recovered
[21:12] <anarky999> cannot find input
[21:13] <anarky999> is the img file still recoverable?
[21:13] <Outy> anarky999: how big is the hdd in total
[21:13] <anarky999> 3TB
[21:13] <Outy> anarky999: and yes there are ways
[21:14] <anarky999> i used the disks utility to try restoring the img and it says it will take 24 hrs
[21:14] <sruli> i am trying to copy a ecryptfs dir with cp i get an error for most files that "file name is too long", i tried with rsync -azvh and it shows at the end errors encountered without specifying and the target dir is larger than the source.. wha is the best way to copy such a dir?
[21:16] <Outy> anarky999: is it possible (with opened pc) to pull power cable and reattach it again - cause hdd will get available again under linux then you can run ddrescue command again with same options to continue the rescue. but only in case you set a logfile
[21:18] <Outy> anarky999: my command goes like this  ddrescue -d -vv /dev/sdX  /targetpath/image.dd /targetpath/image.log
[21:18] <anarky999> I tried that it only worked a couple times. Now the drive won't load even on windows. My question is about the already recovered data. Is it usable in its current form?
[21:18] <anarky999> tried the unpluging thing*
[21:18] <Outy> anarky999: yes: sudo apt-get install testdisk
[21:19] <Outy> anarky999: sudo testdisk /pathtoimage/image.dd
[21:21] <Outy> anarky999: testdisk -> no log -> Intel Partition if Windows File System on it or GPT when dealing wind Windows 8 and up
[21:21] <anarky999> you lost me hold on
[21:22] <Outy> anarky999: the you can try the file utils to copy all available files
[21:22] <Outy> anarky999: if no partition is found use analyse option before
[21:22] <lolBanana> nacc: i am trying to get any LXD containers to grab ip addresses of my local network 192.168.4.x and be accessible via openssh
[21:23] <Outy> anarky999: sorry where're you lost ?
[21:24] <sergio_> Hi all, I  am having problems to boot Wifislax
[21:24] <anarky999> hold on running testdisk I am a noob here
[21:24] <sergio_> Failed to load COM32 file vesamenu.c32
[21:24] <nacc> lolBanana: ok, I know that.
[21:24] <nacc> lolBanana: which method on that page are you trying to do?
[21:25] <Outy> anarky999: i opened private chat window see it ?
[21:30] <otherRick> How to set a custom name to an input_dev?
[21:32] <shazbotmcnasty> sergio_: did you resolve your issue?
[21:32] <sergio_> no
[21:32] <sergio_> I copied the file and other to /
[21:32] <sergio_> but nothing
[21:34] <sergio_> any idea?
[21:35] <shazbotmcnasty> sergio_: is it a live disk you're trying to boot to? And is it USB or CD or other?
[21:36] <sergio_> yes live usb
[21:37] <shazbotmcnasty> how did you create the live disk?
[21:37] <sergio_> i used unebootin
[21:38] <shazbotmcnasty> Seent this: ? http://www.ajopaul.com/2014/10/21/linux-usb-boot-disk-error-failed-to-load-com32-file-menu-c32/
[21:39] <sergio_> yes
[21:39] <otherRick> I create two event input device with a single module; but I need register the inputs using custom names
[21:39] <otherRick> ??
[21:39] <sergio_> but nothing
[21:39] <lolBanana> nacc: "lxc profile device set default eth0 parent eth0" and the command below
[21:39] <lolBanana> nacc: so the macvlan method
[21:40] <sergio_> i see that could be due to an old version of UNetbootin
[21:40] <nacc> lolBanana: ok then change every instance of eth0 in that to whatever is correct for your system
[21:40] <lolBanana> ok so it would be enp0s3
[21:40] <lolBanana> let me try
[21:42] <sergio_> no I have the lastest one
[21:43] <lolBanana> nacc: root@ubuntu1:/tmp# lxc profile device set default enp0s3 parent enp0s3
[21:43] <lolBanana> error: The device doesn't exist
[21:43] <lolBanana> enp0s3    Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 08:00:27:ac:b6:dc
[21:43] <lolBanana>           inet addr:192.168.7.115
[21:43] <kenrin> wifislax is just a distro?  Why not just use dd if=/path/to/iso of=/path/to/usb   ?
[21:44] <nacc> lolBanana: hrm, you are doing that on the host, right?
[21:45] <lolBanana> nacc: yes issuing commands on the host, via openssh
[21:46] <nacc> lolBanana: `lxc profile list`?
[21:46] <nacc> lolBanana: in a pastebin
[21:46] <lolBanana> nacc: im not sure how to obtain that
[21:46] <nacc> lolBanana: and maybe provide the full messages from the `lxc profile device ...`
[21:46] <nacc> lolBanana: you run that command.
[21:47] <lolBanana> nacc: default and docker
[21:47] <lolBanana> are the two things
[21:47] <lolBanana> root@ubuntu1:/tmp# lxc profile list
[21:47] <lolBanana> default
[21:47] <lolBanana> docker
[21:47] <nacc> lolBanana: yes, use a pastebin in the future, but that's good
[21:47] <nacc> lolBanana: ok, can you pastebin the full output from the `lxc profile device set...` ?
[21:48] <CoffeeMonster> Hi all. I have an old laptop with a broken screen, that I turned into a Ubuntu desktop (so with GUI, using an external monitor). I installed 17.04 on it, and was able to disable the laptop's internal monitor; all was well. I just upgraded to 17.10, and now all I see on my external monitor is a purple-ish screen. I am able to move the mouse further to the left, as if there was another screen:
[21:48] <CoffeeMonster> this makes me think the upgrade re-enabled the laptop's internal monitor. Any idea how I could disable the internal monitor again? Something like win+p in Windows.
[21:48] <nacc> lolBanana: oh wait, i see now, i was wrong
[21:48] <lolBanana> nacc: sorry but what's the full command
[21:48] <lolBanana> am i grabbing for the enp ether port?
[21:48] <shazbotmcnasty> aww he lef'
[21:48] <nacc> lolBanana: try `lxc profile device set default eth0 parent enp0s3`; `lxc profile device set default eth0 nictype macvlan`
[21:49] <nacc> lolBanana: that says to set the parent of the eth0 device in the default profile to enp0s3
[21:49] <nacc> lolBanana: and then to set the nictype of the eth0 device in the default profile to macvlan
[21:49] <CoffeeMonster> I have SSH access to the laptop btw
[21:50] <lolBanana> nacc: ok it did not reject those commands let me spin up a container
[21:51] <lolBanana> nacc: is there any particular answers i would need to give after "lxd init"?
[21:51] <nacc> lolBanana: wait, you should have allready run `lxd init`
[21:52] <lolBanana> nacc: i did and i just went with the default answers but i was not sure if i had to select something different since what i am wanting to do is not done by default
[21:53] <nacc> lolBanana: no, you first do `lxd init`, then do the config changes
[21:53] <lolBanana> nacc: so having selected the default choices i should be fine?
[21:53] <leftyfb> CoffeeMonster: 17.04 is no longer supported
[21:54] <leftyfb> CoffeeMonster: sorry, I didn't finih reading :)
[21:54] <nacc> lolBanana: sorry, you ran `lxd init` before ora fter the macvlan changes?
[21:54] <CoffeeMonster> leftyfb np :D
[21:54] <lolBanana> nacc: before
[21:55] <nacc> lolBanana: ok, then yes, you're finne
[21:55] <leftyfb> CoffeeMonster: try https://superuser.com/questions/297819/move-window-to-another-monitor-in-ubuntu-using-keyboard
[21:56] <leftyfb> CoffeeMonster: sorry, open up the display utility and use the above to move it to your screen
[21:57] <leftyfb> CoffeeMonster: unity-control-center display  #  being the util
[22:03] <fluvvell> can somebody remind me what the top bar in a unity session is called?
[22:03] <fluvvell> with date/time on right etc
[22:11] <lolBanana> nacc: is there a choice for ext4 format or no?
[22:11] <lolBanana> nacc: i see a choice between zfs and dir
[22:12] <nacc> lolBanana: sorry?
[22:12] <nacc> lolBanana: note there is a #lxcontainers channel as well
[22:12] <lolBanana> oh ok
[22:12] <lolBanana> i wasn't aware
[22:12] <lolBanana> nacc: storage pools is what i am talking about, https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/07/12/storage-management-in-lxd-2-15/
[22:13] <nacc> lolBanana: right, 'format' is the wrong concept
[22:13] <nacc> lolBanana: container storage isn't formatted
[22:13] <nacc> lolBanana: zfs is less about the fs-parts of it and more about how zfs can do disk management
[22:13] <lolBanana> i see ok
[22:14] <CoffeeMonster> leftyfb: the wmctrl command returns "cannot open display", unity-control-center says "unable to init server: could not connect: connection refused" and "cannot open display", and even xrandr says "can't open display" :/
[22:14] <lolBanana_> spotty internet
[22:15] <lolBanana_> nacc: thanks again for the explanation and earlier help
[22:15] <CoffeeMonster> i'm starting to get the feeling i should just crack open the laptop and physically disconnect the internal monitor lol
[22:18] <akik> CoffeeMonster: the unable to init server comes because of wayland
[22:18] <akik> CoffeeMonster: try selecting the ubuntu on xorg in the login screen
[22:20] <CoffeeMonster> akik I can't see the login screen, I think it's on the internal monitor of the laptop (which i can't see). i literally see nothing except a purple screen and my mouse
[22:21] <akik> nice...
[22:22] <nacc> lolBanana_: yw
[22:22] <CoffeeMonster> Is there a way to start a graphical remote connection to Ubuntu Desktop, a bit like RDP on Windows? I found something about xRDP, but it also said it was only available on Ubuntu Server
[22:22] <nacc> CoffeeMonster: nothing is "only" available on "Ubuntu Server"
[22:22] <nacc> CoffeeMonster: it's all the same set of packages
[22:22] <nacc> CoffeeMonster: you can use rdp, i believe, or you can use vnc, or ssh -X, etc.
[22:23] <lolBanana_> CoffeeMonster: you can use teamviewer as well
[22:23] <hidari> i use xrdp on all my systems.  works great
[22:24] <hidari> works better than vnc for me
[22:25] <CoffeeMonster> Oh, I like the sound of Teamviewer... I'll try these suggestions, and I'll come back to cry if it doesn't work
[22:25] <CoffeeMonster> Thanks :)
[22:27] <lolBanana_> CoffeeMonster: just keep in mind you will need to install teamviewer through CLI, and force the install
[22:27] <otherRick> Hi, I develop a module with two event inputs; how assign a custom name to the input handlers for examplel: /dev/input/keypad0 ?
[22:29] <nacc> otherRick: do you mean a kernel module?
[22:30] <otherRick> yeah
[22:31] <otherRick> I develop a driver module with two event inputs, all works; but I need register the event inputs using custom names in order to difference each input?
[22:32] <nacc> otherRick: you want a kernel channel
[22:32] <nacc> otherRick: not the ubuntu support channel
[22:33] <otherRick> thanks
[22:50] <FrameFever> nacc: I want to download libstdc++-6-dev
[22:50] <FrameFever> but ubuntu cannot find it
[22:50] <FrameFever> what is wrong?
[22:51] <FrameFever> E: Unable to locate package libstdc++-6-dev
[22:51] <nacc> FrameFever: for what version of ubuntu?
[22:51] <FrameFever> 16.04
[22:52] <nacc> !info libstdc++-6-dev xenial
[22:52] <nacc> FrameFever: --^
[22:52] <FrameFever> nacc: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libstdc%2B%2B-6-dev&searchon=names&suite=artful&section=all
[22:52] <FrameFever> I found it here
[22:52] <FrameFever> how can I download it?
[22:53] <nacc> FrameFever: that's is for artful (17.10)
[22:53] <nacc> FrameFever: you can't use it on 16.04.
[22:53] <pavlos> I think the name is libstdc++6
[22:54] <thyriaen> I am looking for a way to configure a dedicated key ( lets say F12 ) to open a terminal ( or if i already opened one to bring it back up - and if it is already up to minimize it )
[22:56] <lakitu> hey real real quick: is upgrading your os a lot better now? i'm looking at 17.04 being upgraded
[22:56] <nacc> lakitu: 17.04 is eo
[22:57] <lakitu> recommended? dos, don'ts?
[22:57] <nacc> *eol
[22:57] <lakitu> i know
[22:57] <lakitu> that's why i gotta upgrade
[22:57] <nacc> lakitu: so not sure what you're asking?
[22:57] <lakitu> i'm in 17.04
[22:57] <nacc> better than what, it's required in your case
[22:57] <lakitu> better than times of yore
[22:57] <lakitu> when a upgrade was a risky proposition
[22:57] <nacc> lakitu: please be specific.
[22:58] <lakitu> anyone else know how reliable it is to?
[22:58] <nacc> lakitu: you are not doing a normal upgrade anyways, you're doing an eol upgrade
[22:58] <nacc> lakitu: in general, keep your system up to date in the first place and the upgrades are painless, ime
[22:59] <lakitu> i have updates in their default settings. i am now required to upgrade to the next version, & seeing if that's doable, in the modern iteration
[22:59] <lakitu> ((of Ubuntu))
[23:00] <nacc> lakitu: it's always been 'doable'. you are being very vague
[23:00] <nacc> lakitu: perhaps you would be happier on a LTS relelase
[23:01] <lakitu> some versions were not smooth to upgrade from, to
[23:01] <lakitu> maybe google / someone else has an opinion
[23:02] <pavlos> lakitu: upgrades worked without issues, can you be specific?
[23:03] <lakitu> nah.
[23:03] <nacc> lol
[23:03] <lakitu> in the past there were issues
[23:03] <lakitu> with some
[23:03] <nacc> lakitu: ok, this is the support channel. If you have an actual support issue, please ask.
[23:04] <lakitu> obviously i don't nacc haha. only asking if it is a safe proposition to upgrade my whole system...
[23:04] <lakitu> i'll google from now on
[23:04] <oerheks> lakitu, you will never know for sure, untill you do: backup your data .. wait, if you don't have a backup, your data is unimportant :-D
[23:04] <nacc> lakitu: eol upgrades are (IMO) inherently more tricky. It should work fine, but you'll need to follow the instructions
[23:04] <nacc> !eolupgrade | lakitu
[23:05] <lakitu> right, backup is a good idea
[23:07] <hidari> get used to disaster recovery and using linux will easier to use.
[23:08] <hidari> well works for me anyways.  wrote scripts to do everything for me since reinvent the wheel so much
[23:08] <lakitu> well i wrote a back up script
[23:09] <hidari> i moved on to restic.  pretty nice backup program.
[23:09] <lakitu> yeah backups are a good topic. how to, what programs are best to, what you need
[23:09] <lakitu> etc, etc...
[23:11] <lordcirth> deja-dup is nice and simple for personal backups
[23:11] <FrameFever> nacc: FYI using sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test
[23:12] <lakitu> (backing up now)
[23:12] <FrameFever> fixes my issue
[23:12] <nacc> FrameFever: which is not an ubuntu repository
[23:12] <FrameFever> now I can download the package
[23:12] <nacc> FrameFever: so you are only supported by those PPA developers
[23:12] <nacc> FrameFever: given that the repository is called 'test', i would ot necessarily use it in production
[23:56] <jack> hello
[23:57] <jack> hi
[23:58] <nacc> jack: do you have a support question?
[23:58] <jack> hello
[23:59] <nacc> jack: you said that already