/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/01/31/#kubuntu-devel.txt

valorienggraham I hear ya00:00
acheronukso we know you haven't00:00
tsimonq2acheronuk: OH YES RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT00:00
valorielololol00:00
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> @nggraham, Right :)00:00
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> I'm in Wisconsin00:01
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IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> and I think you're half my age, which is pretty incredible00:04
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> I'm 15, you're probably less than double my age 😉00:05
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I'm 30, yep :)00:05
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Ah ok :)00:05
valorienggraham after reading this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330192#c6 I think you are already *doing* this job00:30
ubottuKDE bug 330192 in general "Unable to open video files in common players (VLC, MPV, etc) over smb://" [Major,Confirmed]00:30
valoriejust without a title00:30
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I know, I know00:30
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> more like general KDE product manager00:30
valorieyep00:31
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> but heck, if you want me to make it official, sure, I'll be the Kubuntu Product Manager!00:31
valorieare you on the kde-distributions list?00:31
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> no00:31
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> @nggraham, mmm, conflicts with other names00:31
valoriebecause IMO these are the sort of issues that cross the distros00:31
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I'm on few lists; I generally dislike mailing lists, but will put up with them if strictly necessary00:31
valorieand would probably get faster fixing if even more eyes were on them00:32
valorienot sure that one is used enough00:32
valoriethere is a packagers list but that is strictly about packaging00:32
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> this one? https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/distributions00:32
valorieand this is more about general issues00:32
valorieyes00:32
valorieimo we can all work together to solve common problems while continuing to push our own distros00:33
valoriethis is one of my goals in the CWG (KDE community working group)00:33
valoriewe have the enterprise list for those who have large rollouts of KDE software, and that has a similar goal for a different audience00:34
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IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> goodbye for a few hours; family time00:35
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> o/00:35
valoriethanks again for your work, nggraham!00:36
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> ^00:36
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IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> My pleasure!02:57
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-sru-announce/2018-January/000117.html03:26
valoriesonofagun, I wonder if this is the first release that will miss the regular release schedule?03:41
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> hmm, dunno03:41
valorieI've been wondering for the past couple of weeks03:41
valoriethings seem to be coming back together much more slowly than I would have hoped/expected03:42
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valoriefixing papercuts would be a good way to go while we're waiting for other stuff to be ready IMO03:46
valoriebtw did everybody see this from #kubuntu this morning? ‎[09:40] ‎<‎steffen__‎>‎ okay, thanks. its about the graphical installer, i just want to point out, that you have to enter wifi and disk password (full encryption) before you can choose your keyboard layout. since i have a german keyboard-layout, i had some problems entering those passwords03:48
valorieI can file a bug but don't recall the name of the installer03:49
valorienot really our bug but it will affect all users of that package03:49
tsimonq2Ubiquity.03:50
tsimonq2valorie: I've also been generally chatting with Rik about replacing that with Calamares which is much more modular.03:50
tsimonq2In Calamares, it would be a one line edit to fix that. In a yaml file. You could do it. :P03:51
tsimonq2In Ubiquity, well, it'll likely take much more than that.03:51
valorieimo calamares isn't good enough for neon yet....03:51
valoriebut once it is, good idea03:51
tsimonq2I've talked to Jon, they just need to get some edge cases sorted out iirc and nobody's really been working on it much.03:52
valorieI would be interested to know if neon plans to switch over when they base on 18,0403:52
valoriewell, that's the issue03:52
tsimonq2It's already in their developer edition...03:52
valorieright03:52
tsimonq2aaaaaHA, you reminded me to look at their Calamares settings03:54
tsimonq2I think Lubuntu might be able to use it now iff this commit that I'm about to cherry-pick works out...03:55
valorienice!03:55
valorieI wonder if budgie would be interested as well?03:55
tsimonq2I've given them a ping03:55
tsimonq2Basically, y'all are waiting on me :P03:55
valorieas usual.....03:56
valorielol03:56
tsimonq2XD03:56
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> I like snap as well.03:56
valoriejust kidding03:56
valorieahoneybun: fix the discover snap?03:56
tsimonq2@ahoneybun: huh?03:56
tsimonq2valorie: hehe yeah well we've waited on you before :P03:56
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> I could not link to the message that was about. Sorry.03:57
valorienever!03:57
valorielol03:57
tsimonq2*AHEM* release day when everyone's ready and we're waiting on you to get online to +1 things and I have to text you the old fashioned way :P03:57
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> Thought the issue was the flatpak03:57
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> Not the snap03:57
valorietsimonq2: earlier I said something like "most of us don't like snaps"03:57
valoriethe flatpak works03:57
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> Better question is where are your MR Valorie?03:57
valoriethe snap doesn't03:58
valorieMR?03:58
ahoneybunMerge request for the manual valorie.03:58
valorieyes, you ahve waited for my sleepyhead self to get online03:58
valorieoh right03:58
valoriewell, I ain't done the work yet03:58
ahoneybunAlright. I'm not with my laptop to do merges. 03:59
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BluesKajHi folks11:23
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valorieeven a sea of red means stuff is happnin'!21:26
acheronukyeah, it means the LP builders are screwed to capacity and beyond21:27
mamarleyThat's pretty much been the case ever since the Meltdown/Spectre stuff.  I wonder why they haven't re-enabled all of them?21:30
acheronukmamarley: apparently they won't as many of the x86 nodes don't have microcode fixes from intel available yet21:32
mamarleyacheronuk: The microcode got rolled back though and the IBRS support hasn't been added to even the mainline kernel yet.21:32
mamarleyAlso, they could use retpoline for the same effect.21:33
acheronuk[16:57] <acheronuk> any eta on getting capacity back on the build farm. I am guessing not, but ask on the off chance21:33
acheronuk[17:00] * mpt (~mpt@canonical/mpt) has joined21:33
acheronuk[17:14] <cjwatson> The ball remains in the CPU vendors' courts.21:33
mamarleyThat doesn't make any sense…21:34
acheronuk[21:38] <wgrant> tsimonq2: Many of our compute nodes don't yet have Spectre microcode updates, so we don't have full x86 capacity available.21:34
acheronukseems like a cop out to me, but meh....21:35
mamarleyIt still doesn't make sense because the kernel code to support the new microcode functionality isn't even upstream yet.  In fact, Linus ranted at the people who proposed the first patch.21:35
acheronukso at the moment I feel like just leaving here and going to Neon to do stuff until May, as canonical don't seem to care much about anything21:36
mamarleyThat would be quite disappointing. :(21:37
acheronuksometimes life is21:38
* mamarley wishes Neon wasn't based on LTS.21:40
valoriewell, IMO we could replace the builders with out own computers21:41
acheronukI can understand the reason. but it becomes a real pain for users and devs towards the end of that 2 years. backporting build deps etc gets more and more painful21:41
valorieand stop relying on that stuff as much21:41
acheronukanyway. I am going to finish my few beers and watch some carp TV. bye for now21:43
valorie{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} and goodnight21:46
* wgrant wonders precisely what the mainline kernel has to do with the Launchpad build farm22:33
wgrantWe're quite capable of using custom kernels with mitigations enabled.22:34
wgrantWhat we're not capable of is magically fixing the hardware in the build farm that is slightly too old to have microcode updates from Intel.22:34
wgrantIt's an unfortunate situation, but if you have builds that aren't ever getting done, point me at them. Everything should be building within a few hours.22:34
valoriewgrant: thank you for that22:41
valorieI hope acheronuk sees it and can respond when he returns22:42
valorieI know that we can't "replace the builders with our own computers" as I said above, but what I meant was building and running the autotests first to ensure that they would slide through without problems22:43
valorieI think that back in the day JR did that in bileto and right into the archive without a hitch22:44
wgrant(also, Linus might be grumpy about the microcode-based mitigations, and Intel might be retconning everything, but all OS vendors and public clouds have made good use of the microcode-based mitigations for months now as retpoline continues to mature)22:44
valorienow we don't have him doing that22:44
wgrantAnyway, as I said, builds should be getting done within hours, just not immediately like before the whole Spectre/Meltdown debacle.22:45
wgrantIf something isn't, do let me know.22:45
valoriewgrant: we've been struggling for a couple of years to get our newish stuff built in time for major releases22:45
valoriebecause KDE release dates are often mighty close to Ubuntu freeze deadlines22:46
valorieas such we try to build and test the KDE betas if possible22:46
acheronukwgrant: thanks. just getting grumpy from frustration22:47
valorievia PPAs22:47
valorieand our own CI22:47
wgrantUnderstandable, I think we're all grumpy about the whole situation :)22:47
acheronukwgrant: maybe we can get the build score of our staging PPAs bumped a bit? we don't do rebuilds in there for fun, but it is in some ways similar to ci-train for us, as where we tes build stuff that is to land in the archive or our backports22:48
acheronukI ponder a formal request on that more. I am not in the right frame of mind tonight22:49
acheronukwe have a private ppa, but can buiild the world in there22:50
acheronuk*can't build the world22:50
wgrantacheronuk: That sounds totally reasonable. I'm mostly reluctant to bump big daily builds of lots of packages. Betas and staging PPAs are useful and fine.22:51
acheronukwgrant: cool. I'll put a request in tomorrow probably. 22:53
wgrantPut in a request tomorrow, or just mention the name of the PPA here now, whatever suits you :)22:53
acheronukthank you. sorry to moan. I know canonical staff are in a fix with this22:53
wgrantNo worries.22:55
* acheronuk goes back to beer and TV22:55
acheronukprobably had too much of the former to make sensible requests tonight :P22:55
wgrantAw :(22:58
acheronukno :)23:15
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valoriegreen is even better!23:58

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