valorie | nggraham I hear ya | 00:00 |
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acheronuk | so we know you haven't | 00:00 |
tsimonq2 | acheronuk: OH YES RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT | 00:00 |
valorie | lololol | 00:00 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @nggraham, Right :) | 00:00 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I'm in Wisconsin | 00:01 |
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IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> and I think you're half my age, which is pretty incredible | 00:04 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> I'm 15, you're probably less than double my age 😉 | 00:05 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> I'm 30, yep :) | 00:05 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> Ah ok :) | 00:05 |
valorie | nggraham after reading this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330192#c6 I think you are already *doing* this job | 00:30 |
ubottu | KDE bug 330192 in general "Unable to open video files in common players (VLC, MPV, etc) over smb://" [Major,Confirmed] | 00:30 |
valorie | just without a title | 00:30 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> I know, I know | 00:30 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> more like general KDE product manager | 00:30 |
valorie | yep | 00:31 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> but heck, if you want me to make it official, sure, I'll be the Kubuntu Product Manager! | 00:31 |
valorie | are you on the kde-distributions list? | 00:31 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> no | 00:31 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> @nggraham, mmm, conflicts with other names | 00:31 |
valorie | because IMO these are the sort of issues that cross the distros | 00:31 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> I'm on few lists; I generally dislike mailing lists, but will put up with them if strictly necessary | 00:31 |
valorie | and would probably get faster fixing if even more eyes were on them | 00:32 |
valorie | not sure that one is used enough | 00:32 |
valorie | there is a packagers list but that is strictly about packaging | 00:32 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> this one? https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/distributions | 00:32 |
valorie | and this is more about general issues | 00:32 |
valorie | yes | 00:32 |
valorie | imo we can all work together to solve common problems while continuing to push our own distros | 00:33 |
valorie | this is one of my goals in the CWG (KDE community working group) | 00:33 |
valorie | we have the enterprise list for those who have large rollouts of KDE software, and that has a similar goal for a different audience | 00:34 |
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IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> goodbye for a few hours; family time | 00:35 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> o/ | 00:35 |
valorie | thanks again for your work, nggraham! | 00:36 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> ^ | 00:36 |
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IrcsomeBot1 | <nggraham> My pleasure! | 02:57 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-sru-announce/2018-January/000117.html | 03:26 |
valorie | sonofagun, I wonder if this is the first release that will miss the regular release schedule? | 03:41 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <tsimonq2> hmm, dunno | 03:41 |
valorie | I've been wondering for the past couple of weeks | 03:41 |
valorie | things seem to be coming back together much more slowly than I would have hoped/expected | 03:42 |
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valorie | fixing papercuts would be a good way to go while we're waiting for other stuff to be ready IMO | 03:46 |
valorie | btw did everybody see this from #kubuntu this morning? ‎[09:40] ‎<‎steffen__‎>‎ okay, thanks. its about the graphical installer, i just want to point out, that you have to enter wifi and disk password (full encryption) before you can choose your keyboard layout. since i have a german keyboard-layout, i had some problems entering those passwords | 03:48 |
valorie | I can file a bug but don't recall the name of the installer | 03:49 |
valorie | not really our bug but it will affect all users of that package | 03:49 |
tsimonq2 | Ubiquity. | 03:50 |
tsimonq2 | valorie: I've also been generally chatting with Rik about replacing that with Calamares which is much more modular. | 03:50 |
tsimonq2 | In Calamares, it would be a one line edit to fix that. In a yaml file. You could do it. :P | 03:51 |
tsimonq2 | In Ubiquity, well, it'll likely take much more than that. | 03:51 |
valorie | imo calamares isn't good enough for neon yet.... | 03:51 |
valorie | but once it is, good idea | 03:51 |
tsimonq2 | I've talked to Jon, they just need to get some edge cases sorted out iirc and nobody's really been working on it much. | 03:52 |
valorie | I would be interested to know if neon plans to switch over when they base on 18,04 | 03:52 |
valorie | well, that's the issue | 03:52 |
tsimonq2 | It's already in their developer edition... | 03:52 |
valorie | right | 03:52 |
tsimonq2 | aaaaaHA, you reminded me to look at their Calamares settings | 03:54 |
tsimonq2 | I think Lubuntu might be able to use it now iff this commit that I'm about to cherry-pick works out... | 03:55 |
valorie | nice! | 03:55 |
valorie | I wonder if budgie would be interested as well? | 03:55 |
tsimonq2 | I've given them a ping | 03:55 |
tsimonq2 | Basically, y'all are waiting on me :P | 03:55 |
valorie | as usual..... | 03:56 |
valorie | lol | 03:56 |
tsimonq2 | XD | 03:56 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <ahoneybun> I like snap as well. | 03:56 |
valorie | just kidding | 03:56 |
valorie | ahoneybun: fix the discover snap? | 03:56 |
tsimonq2 | @ahoneybun: huh? | 03:56 |
tsimonq2 | valorie: hehe yeah well we've waited on you before :P | 03:56 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <ahoneybun> I could not link to the message that was about. Sorry. | 03:57 |
valorie | never! | 03:57 |
valorie | lol | 03:57 |
tsimonq2 | *AHEM* release day when everyone's ready and we're waiting on you to get online to +1 things and I have to text you the old fashioned way :P | 03:57 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <ahoneybun> Thought the issue was the flatpak | 03:57 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <ahoneybun> Not the snap | 03:57 |
valorie | tsimonq2: earlier I said something like "most of us don't like snaps" | 03:57 |
valorie | the flatpak works | 03:57 |
IrcsomeBot1 | <ahoneybun> Better question is where are your MR Valorie? | 03:57 |
valorie | the snap doesn't | 03:58 |
valorie | MR? | 03:58 |
ahoneybun | Merge request for the manual valorie. | 03:58 |
valorie | yes, you ahve waited for my sleepyhead self to get online | 03:58 |
valorie | oh right | 03:58 |
valorie | well, I ain't done the work yet | 03:58 |
ahoneybun | Alright. I'm not with my laptop to do merges. | 03:59 |
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valorie | even a sea of red means stuff is happnin'! | 21:26 |
acheronuk | yeah, it means the LP builders are screwed to capacity and beyond | 21:27 |
mamarley | That's pretty much been the case ever since the Meltdown/Spectre stuff. I wonder why they haven't re-enabled all of them? | 21:30 |
acheronuk | mamarley: apparently they won't as many of the x86 nodes don't have microcode fixes from intel available yet | 21:32 |
mamarley | acheronuk: The microcode got rolled back though and the IBRS support hasn't been added to even the mainline kernel yet. | 21:32 |
mamarley | Also, they could use retpoline for the same effect. | 21:33 |
acheronuk | [16:57] <acheronuk> any eta on getting capacity back on the build farm. I am guessing not, but ask on the off chance | 21:33 |
acheronuk | [17:00] * mpt (~mpt@canonical/mpt) has joined | 21:33 |
acheronuk | [17:14] <cjwatson> The ball remains in the CPU vendors' courts. | 21:33 |
mamarley | That doesn't make any sense… | 21:34 |
acheronuk | [21:38] <wgrant> tsimonq2: Many of our compute nodes don't yet have Spectre microcode updates, so we don't have full x86 capacity available. | 21:34 |
acheronuk | seems like a cop out to me, but meh.... | 21:35 |
mamarley | It still doesn't make sense because the kernel code to support the new microcode functionality isn't even upstream yet. In fact, Linus ranted at the people who proposed the first patch. | 21:35 |
acheronuk | so at the moment I feel like just leaving here and going to Neon to do stuff until May, as canonical don't seem to care much about anything | 21:36 |
mamarley | That would be quite disappointing. :( | 21:37 |
acheronuk | sometimes life is | 21:38 |
* mamarley wishes Neon wasn't based on LTS. | 21:40 | |
valorie | well, IMO we could replace the builders with out own computers | 21:41 |
acheronuk | I can understand the reason. but it becomes a real pain for users and devs towards the end of that 2 years. backporting build deps etc gets more and more painful | 21:41 |
valorie | and stop relying on that stuff as much | 21:41 |
acheronuk | anyway. I am going to finish my few beers and watch some carp TV. bye for now | 21:43 |
valorie | {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} and goodnight | 21:46 |
* wgrant wonders precisely what the mainline kernel has to do with the Launchpad build farm | 22:33 | |
wgrant | We're quite capable of using custom kernels with mitigations enabled. | 22:34 |
wgrant | What we're not capable of is magically fixing the hardware in the build farm that is slightly too old to have microcode updates from Intel. | 22:34 |
wgrant | It's an unfortunate situation, but if you have builds that aren't ever getting done, point me at them. Everything should be building within a few hours. | 22:34 |
valorie | wgrant: thank you for that | 22:41 |
valorie | I hope acheronuk sees it and can respond when he returns | 22:42 |
valorie | I know that we can't "replace the builders with our own computers" as I said above, but what I meant was building and running the autotests first to ensure that they would slide through without problems | 22:43 |
valorie | I think that back in the day JR did that in bileto and right into the archive without a hitch | 22:44 |
wgrant | (also, Linus might be grumpy about the microcode-based mitigations, and Intel might be retconning everything, but all OS vendors and public clouds have made good use of the microcode-based mitigations for months now as retpoline continues to mature) | 22:44 |
valorie | now we don't have him doing that | 22:44 |
wgrant | Anyway, as I said, builds should be getting done within hours, just not immediately like before the whole Spectre/Meltdown debacle. | 22:45 |
wgrant | If something isn't, do let me know. | 22:45 |
valorie | wgrant: we've been struggling for a couple of years to get our newish stuff built in time for major releases | 22:45 |
valorie | because KDE release dates are often mighty close to Ubuntu freeze deadlines | 22:46 |
valorie | as such we try to build and test the KDE betas if possible | 22:46 |
acheronuk | wgrant: thanks. just getting grumpy from frustration | 22:47 |
valorie | via PPAs | 22:47 |
valorie | and our own CI | 22:47 |
wgrant | Understandable, I think we're all grumpy about the whole situation :) | 22:47 |
acheronuk | wgrant: maybe we can get the build score of our staging PPAs bumped a bit? we don't do rebuilds in there for fun, but it is in some ways similar to ci-train for us, as where we tes build stuff that is to land in the archive or our backports | 22:48 |
acheronuk | I ponder a formal request on that more. I am not in the right frame of mind tonight | 22:49 |
acheronuk | we have a private ppa, but can buiild the world in there | 22:50 |
acheronuk | *can't build the world | 22:50 |
wgrant | acheronuk: That sounds totally reasonable. I'm mostly reluctant to bump big daily builds of lots of packages. Betas and staging PPAs are useful and fine. | 22:51 |
acheronuk | wgrant: cool. I'll put a request in tomorrow probably. | 22:53 |
wgrant | Put in a request tomorrow, or just mention the name of the PPA here now, whatever suits you :) | 22:53 |
acheronuk | thank you. sorry to moan. I know canonical staff are in a fix with this | 22:53 |
wgrant | No worries. | 22:55 |
* acheronuk goes back to beer and TV | 22:55 | |
acheronuk | probably had too much of the former to make sensible requests tonight :P | 22:55 |
wgrant | Aw :( | 22:58 |
acheronuk | no :) | 23:15 |
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