lotuspsychjegood morning to all05:35
lotuspsychjebig bionic update05:36
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* lotuspsychje doesnt like ping timeout05:54
ubot5Wayland is a display server protocol that can be used instead of X. Ubuntu 17.10 uses Wayland by default on systems that support it. For more info, see https://wayland.freedesktop.org/05:54
ducassegood morning, all07:19
lotuspsychjehey ducasse07:36
ducassemorning lotuspsychje07:40
ducasseall well?07:40
lotuspsychjeyeah and you mate07:46
lotuspsychje!info linux-image-generic artful07:46
ubot5linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version (artful), package size 2 kB, installed size 14 kB07:46
ducassei'm fine, thanks - quiet morning here.07:50
lotuspsychjeim about to breakfast and work07:50
lotuspsychjein 2 weeks, 1 week holiday :p07:51
lordievaderGood morning08:45
ducassehi lordievader - good morning to you, all well? :)08:58
lordievaderHey ducasse09:02
lordievaderDoing allright. You?09:02
ducassefine here, thanks. not doing much yet, about to upgrade my mikrotik gear to the latest routeros.09:05
lordievaderHave fun with that 😉09:06
ducassehehe, it's usually a painless thing :)09:07
lordievaderUsually 😋09:12
BluesKajHi folks11:23
BluesKajhi LtWorf11:34
jimb_Good day y'all.12:03
BluesKajhey jimb_12:04
lordievaderHey BluesKaj12:59
lordievaderHow are you?12:59
BluesKajHi lordievader. fine here, and you?13:06
lordievaderDoing good here :)13:06
BluesKajright :-)13:07
nacc_ugh, DO droplet, with only xenial-security enabled and then all 3rd party stuff19:08
daftykinsDO's lovely though :D19:09
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* TJ- has steam coming out of his ears23:24
naccsomething is fubar23:26
naccdunno what :)23:26
TJ-I do!!23:26
* nacc is busy doing the PHP7.2 migration23:26
TJ-But I'm too polite to day23:27
TJ-I'm not sure who's got the better task here :D23:27
naccTJ-: you. a thousand times you :)23:29
naccmanual bootstrapping of phpunit is a PITA23:29
naccdaftykins: looped dependencies :)23:35
naccphpunit is used to test all of its own dependencies, which phpunit in turn depends on23:35
daftykinsi upgraded my ZFS test box to 18.04 for fun, that got stuck with plymouth text depending on lsb-release being configured, which depended on plymouth text being configured - that was fun23:36
naccdaftykins: was that the ping loop?23:37
nacc*a ping loop, i mean23:37
daftykinsnot sure how you mean 'ping' in the context of packages23:37
TJ-daftykins: the plymouth --ping bug23:38
daftykinsit wasn't an important machine - and i only upgraded for fun, so i just nuked it :)23:38
daftykinsi have no idea what that is23:38
daftykinsTJ-: oh you'd love this, it seems subiquity fails to even nuke a disk that isn't already blank, to install to23:39
TJ-plymouth gets stuck in a loop ping-ing itself23:39
daftykinsit was only trying to configure it at upgrade time, so i have no evidence to that23:39
TJ-daftykins: Yes, I saw that bug too when I was going through the list23:40
daftykinsah i didn't see anything along those lines earlier with a quick glance23:40
daftykinsessentially every feature of that installer doesn't work23:40
daftykinsoh and what's with this netplan rubbish?23:40
TJ-daftykins: that's why i's called _sub_iquity :)23:41
TJ-netplan isn't rubbish!23:41
daftykinswell it sure looks it when you have to write silly format config files23:41
TJ-The point is that they can be written in a single syntax and deployed to systemd-networkd, network-manager, ifupdown or anything else at boot-time without the admin needing to learn different net configs23:45
daftykinsyeah instead they just have to learn a ridiculous format judging by what i've seen :/23:45
daftykinsalso what's cloud-init about? sounded like it was going off online to do something23:46
naccdaftykins: http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html23:46
TJ-It's YAML format23:46
daftykinsit has a quirky mix of new lines and square braces for comma separated lists and ugh23:47
daftykinsdoubt i'll learn to write out of those out from memory versus the lovely simple /etc/network/interfaces :)23:48
naccdaftykins: that's YAMLL23:48
naccyou can either use a [] list or a newlined, - started list23:48
naccand if you have to do anything even reasonaby compilcated (thinnk cloud) with eni, you'd know why it's terrible :)23:49
TJ-ifupdown is about 20 years old!23:49
daftykinswell age isn't a very good argument23:50
naccin that it has't changed in 20 years while the entire industry has23:50
naccit is *an* argument, at lelast23:50
daftykinscan't see why this cloud-init junk needs to be on by default but ho-hum23:52
TJ-Because the massive majority of ubuntu-server deploys are now virtual machines or containers23:54
daftykinsextra junk to purge then23:57

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