[05:35] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> big bionic update
[05:54]  * lotuspsychje doesnt like ping timeout
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> !wayland
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> bah..
[07:19] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:40] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje
[07:40] <ducasse> all well?
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> yeah and you mate
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic artful
[07:50] <ducasse> i'm fine, thanks - quiet morning here.
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> cool
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> im about to breakfast and work
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> in 2 weeks, 1 week holiday :p
[08:45] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:58] <ducasse> hi lordievader - good morning to you, all well? :)
[09:02] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[09:02] <lordievader> Doing allright. You?
[09:05] <ducasse> fine here, thanks. not doing much yet, about to upgrade my mikrotik gear to the latest routeros.
[09:06] <lordievader> Have fun with that 😉
[09:07] <ducasse> hehe, it's usually a painless thing :)
[09:12] <lordievader> Usually 😋
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:32] <LtWorf> hi
[11:34] <BluesKaj> hi LtWorf
[12:03] <jimb_> Good day y'all.
[12:04] <BluesKaj> hey jimb_
[12:59] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[12:59] <lordievader> How are you?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader. fine here, and you?
[13:06] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[13:07] <BluesKaj> right :-)
[19:08] <nacc_> ugh, DO droplet, with only xenial-security enabled and then all 3rd party stuff
[19:09] <daftykins> ;_;
[19:09] <daftykins> DO's lovely though :D
[23:24]  * TJ- has steam coming out of his ears
[23:26] <nacc> something is fubar
[23:26] <nacc> dunno what :)
[23:26] <TJ-> I do!!
[23:26]  * nacc is busy doing the PHP7.2 migration
[23:27] <TJ-> But I'm too polite to day
[23:27] <nacc> heh
[23:27] <TJ-> I'm not sure who's got the better task here :D
[23:29] <nacc> TJ-: you. a thousand times you :)
[23:29] <nacc> manual bootstrapping of phpunit is a PITA
[23:34] <daftykins> o0
[23:35] <nacc> daftykins: looped dependencies :)
[23:35] <nacc> phpunit is used to test all of its own dependencies, which phpunit in turn depends on
[23:36] <daftykins> i upgraded my ZFS test box to 18.04 for fun, that got stuck with plymouth text depending on lsb-release being configured, which depended on plymouth text being configured - that was fun
[23:37] <nacc> daftykins: was that the ping loop?
[23:37] <nacc> *a ping loop, i mean
[23:37] <daftykins> not sure how you mean 'ping' in the context of packages
[23:38] <TJ-> daftykins: the plymouth --ping bug
[23:38] <daftykins> it wasn't an important machine - and i only upgraded for fun, so i just nuked it :)
[23:38] <daftykins> i have no idea what that is
[23:39] <daftykins> TJ-: oh you'd love this, it seems subiquity fails to even nuke a disk that isn't already blank, to install to
[23:39] <TJ-> plymouth gets stuck in a loop ping-ing itself
[23:39] <daftykins> it was only trying to configure it at upgrade time, so i have no evidence to that
[23:40] <TJ-> daftykins: Yes, I saw that bug too when I was going through the list
[23:40] <daftykins> ah i didn't see anything along those lines earlier with a quick glance
[23:40] <daftykins> essentially every feature of that installer doesn't work
[23:40] <daftykins> oh and what's with this netplan rubbish?
[23:41] <TJ-> daftykins: that's why i's called _sub_iquity :)
[23:41] <TJ-> netplan isn't rubbish!
[23:41] <daftykins> well it sure looks it when you have to write silly format config files
[23:45] <TJ-> The point is that they can be written in a single syntax and deployed to systemd-networkd, network-manager, ifupdown or anything else at boot-time without the admin needing to learn different net configs
[23:45] <daftykins> yeah instead they just have to learn a ridiculous format judging by what i've seen :/
[23:46] <daftykins> also what's cloud-init about? sounded like it was going off online to do something
[23:46] <nacc> daftykins: http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html
[23:46] <TJ-> It's YAML format
[23:47] <daftykins> it has a quirky mix of new lines and square braces for comma separated lists and ugh
[23:48] <daftykins> doubt i'll learn to write out of those out from memory versus the lovely simple /etc/network/interfaces :)
[23:48] <nacc> daftykins: that's YAMLL
[23:48] <nacc> you can either use a [] list or a newlined, - started list
[23:49] <daftykins> :|
[23:49] <nacc> and if you have to do anything even reasonaby compilcated (thinnk cloud) with eni, you'd know why it's terrible :)
[23:49] <TJ-> ifupdown is about 20 years old!
[23:50] <nacc> yeah
[23:50] <daftykins> well age isn't a very good argument
[23:50] <nacc> in that it has't changed in 20 years while the entire industry has
[23:50] <nacc> it is *an* argument, at lelast
[23:52] <daftykins> can't see why this cloud-init junk needs to be on by default but ho-hum
[23:54] <TJ-> Because the massive majority of ubuntu-server deploys are now virtual machines or containers
[23:57] <daftykins> extra junk to purge then