[11:50] <kovos> здарова народ
[11:53] <kovos> а в убунте матэ есть wayland?
[19:48] <dbrass> Anyone know if "°"(the degree symbol) is a restricted character for filenames?
[19:49] <dbrass> Caja can't handle renaming a file with that character in the name
[19:49] <dbrass> on 16.04.3
[19:49] <dbrass> it keeps crashing
[19:59] <Akuli> file names with ° should work, this is a bug in caja
[19:59] <Akuli> people on #mate might know where to report it
[20:09] <dbrass> I'm fillin a bug report on the ubuntu mate launchpad
[20:11] <dbrass> I'll ask on #mate before submitting te bug
[20:11] <dbrass> if they prefer it on launchpad or elsewhere
[21:41] <grub-problem> hi all. at wit's end with Grub after installing 17.10 on a usb thumb drive. no more booting from sda
[21:42] <grub-problem> boot-repair hasn't helped
[21:43] <grub-problem> I'm in the  grub>  cli now.
[21:52] <diogenes_> grub-problem, you did what?
[21:53] <Nathan> grub life
[21:54] <grub-problem> what u mean diogenes_ ?
[21:55] <diogenes_> grub-problem, you install ubuntu where?
[21:55] <grub-problem> usb thumb drive.
[21:56] <diogenes_> how you did that?
[21:57] <grub-problem> ran install from another usb thumb and chose the usb thumb drive partition as target..
[21:58] <diogenes_> can u boot to usb?
[21:58] <grub-problem> had it install grub on sda
[21:58] <grub-problem> I can only boot the usb install drive
[21:59] <grub-problem> the live usb to be precise
[22:00] <diogenes_> and how did you run boot repair.?
[22:00] <grub-problem> if I remove the live usb, there's nothing after boot.  just a blinking cursor thing
[22:01] <diogenes_> you said you tried boot repair
[22:01] <grub-problem> I ran it off live usb. there's a reference to it. just had it run the recommended repair.
[22:03] <diogenes_> hmm is it efi system?
[22:03] <grub-problem> could be.  I 've seen refi mentioned.
[22:03] <grub-problem> *efi
[22:04] <diogenes_> then you could try the bios option "boot from efi file"
[22:04] <grub-problem> the usb drive which I've installed on, was a former osx install.
[22:06] <grub-problem> the former grub install on sda was done by mate 17.02 install.  it had win/umate/mint boots.
[22:06] <grub-problem> will try that boot option.
[22:07] <diogenes_> some bioses even have the option to create a custom boot entry
[22:08] <grub-problem> this is a dell bistro 3550
[22:09] <grub-problem> *vostro
[22:09] <grub-problem> thank you auto correct
[22:10] <grub-problem> it's from 2011 something.  boot from efi file not found yet.
[22:11] <grub-problem> is that a bios set up option?
[22:12] <diogenes_> search for uefi and try switching to legacy
[22:13] <grub-problem> if I use the 'boot options' menu when bios starts, and select the usb drive, then I land into grub cli.
[22:14] <diogenes_> no, you have to enter bios, esc or f12 or f10
[22:14] <diogenes_> or f2
[22:15] <grub-problem> yes I''m there now. again.
[22:16] <grub-problem> can't find nay thing uefi
[22:17] <diogenes_> maybe CSM
[22:18] <grub-problem>                                                      it's an AMI bios. it looks kinda simple
[22:22] <grub-problem>    the bios menu has: main, advanced, security, boot, exit
[22:24] <grub-problem> in boot you can only set priorities. priorities are; diskette, usb, dvd, esata, harddisk, network.
[22:24] <grub-problem> nothing like uefi, csm or legacy
[22:26] <diogenes_> then it's no efi, pretty hopeless and smells like re-installation
[22:28] <grub-problem> grub> cat (hd0,1)/etc/issue
[22:28] <grub-problem> I was probing the several partitions this way.
[22:29] <diogenes_> and?
[22:29] <grub-problem> there was only 1 install reported. the mint one.
[22:31] <diogenes_> you could try: ls (hd0,1)/boot
[22:31] <diogenes_> see if you get vmlinuz and initrd
[22:35] <grub-problem> I don't get that. I get 'grub/'
[22:37] <grub-problem> I suspect hd0 to be the thumb drive and hd1 to be the ssd hd. since hd1 has all the partition s
[22:38] <diogenes_> you have to boot without usb since you want to fix the hdd grub
[22:39] <grub-problem> and hd1,5 reports mint.  there are instructions for grub repair into booting that install.  but is it worth it for further repairs?
[22:39] <grub-problem> ok. will remove the usb
[22:40] <diogenes_> you get the error "only minimal bash like ...?"
[22:40] <grub-problem> yes!
[22:40] <grub-problem> after choosing in bios boot for the usb that is.
[22:41] <grub-problem> by jove!
[22:42] <grub-problem> now there is grub from the hard drive appearing
[22:43] <grub-problem> looking at the former grub on harddrive now
[22:44] <grub-problem> win7 and mint still there. umate 17.02 vanished.
[22:45] <grub-problem> I did C for cli
[22:47] <grub-problem> ls only reports hd0 partitions now.  trying to find the umata 17.02 install.
[22:51] <grub-problem> I checked like 8 partitions. and again, only mint shows up. how can the hard disk install of umate 17.02 be gone?
[22:58] <grub-problem> so. is it possible to install umate on a usb drive and have it in grub on hda as a boot option?
[23:01] <grub-problem> and besides that. I don't mind having grub installed on the usb drive if it is able to list the hard drive OS's installs as well.
[23:04] <grub-problem> the aim here is to run umate from usb for a while, while clearing out the data to keep from the 500GB ssd of the laptop, have it empty and start afresh. the hard drive has become messy.
[23:06] <m4t> grub-problem: half-assed solution would be to disable the ssd when you install the usb
[23:06] <m4t> then boot from the ssd & update-grub
[23:06] <m4t> it should probe it and add it to /boot/grub/grub.cfg on the ssd
[23:07] <m4t> grub-problem: OR, and i think this is still relevant (from stack exchange)
[23:07] <m4t> "Run the install as normal, after the Select and install software step, the installer will run Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk. It will tell you what other operating systems, if any that it's found, and ask if it should install, at this point, choose Go Back, then in the installer menu that appears next, choose Continue without boot loader.
[23:07] <m4t> "
[23:09] <grub-problem> m4t: while installing 17.10 earlier on the usb, there was a question as to where to put grub. sda was the default option. wouldn't there be the option for the usb drive also?  can't remember if I checked it.
[23:10] <m4t> usb may have showed up as sda
[23:10] <m4t> but yeah, i would try one of those 2 things.
[23:10] <m4t> you can enter a shell and do ls -l /dev/disk/by-id
[23:10] <m4t> that will show you the "human"
[23:11] <m4t> names of the actual block devices
[23:12] <grub-problem> I installed on sdb. I know that for sure. checked thoroughly to make sure it would be the usb drive.
[23:14]  * grub-problem reading the suggestions and trying to grasp it all
[23:22] <grub-problem> what if I just forget to want to boot into any OS on the hard drive at all?  just booting into a installed umate 17.10 on usb.  working on the data on the hard drive partitions from there.  I know this would be obtained also by just doing live usb sessions. but it's much nicer to work from a installed umate.