[12:35] <yofel> 'couple corrections
[12:35] <yofel> The KCI master server is hosted on the bytemark server today which was arranged by Rick
[12:36] <yofel> Linode is used for some dev builds, and hosts one of the KCI slaves - and really does most of the jobs for the CI
[12:37] <yofel> I have pondered setting up our own builds, but as I'm not too happy with any existent replacement that currently exists
[12:38] <yofel> - Neon does it's own builds, but has no dedicated build scheduler and just uses jenkins. Meaning nobody can do any manual uploads (which is both good and bad). Aptly is something I would use for repository management as well though
[12:39] <yofel> - I don't know of any debian-esque build schedulers that have any kind of API that jenkins could talk to. At least I know that wanna-build and debile don't have any (i.e. we need to write that ourselves, which would be a doable amount of work)
[12:40] <yofel> - OBS as hosted by OpenSuse allowes builds for Ubuntu, but not the development release when I checked last, so is kind of useless for our use case.
[12:40] <yofel> you *can* host it yourself though, so someone might want to take a look at that
[12:41] <yofel> and IIRC ximion was working on some kind of build system himself, though I haven't heard any news regarding that, so maybe he abandoned it
[12:42] <yofel> as Rik said, there *are* solutions to our problems, but I'm not conviced that the amount of effort we have to put in is worth it in the end
[12:43] <yofel> and any more infrastructure we create for ourselves increases the maintenance costs
[13:38] <acheronuk> yeah, thanks for all that yofel. I agree. if LP gets back to normal, while not perfect, that is a no-brainer to use
[21:38] <valorie> acheronuk: will the adjustments that wgrant offered help enough, do you think?
[21:38] <valorie> thanks for the clarification, yofel
[22:26] <ahoneybun> thanks yofel , also good to see you around again!
[22:32] <valorie> yofel: I think we all agonized about some of these choices before, when it looked like we might get not be able to be Kubuntu any more
[22:33] <valorie> we thought about new names, etc.
[22:34] <valorie> I would not like to see us independent, annoying as Ubuntu/Canonical can be, because we simply are not big enough to do what needs doing by ourselves
[22:34] <tsimonq2> We ARE Ubuntu too.
[22:34] <valorie> we are
[22:34] <tsimonq2> So we're calling ourselves annoying? :D
[22:34] <valorie> well, I know I can be
[22:34] <valorie> lol
[22:34] <wxl> in your case it makes sense @tsimonq2
[22:35] <tsimonq2> Same here, lol
[22:35] <valorie> never YOU tsimonq2
[22:35] <valorie> lol
[22:35] <tsimonq2> wxl: XD
[22:35] <valorie> neon sort of found a crack they could settle into and that's fine with me
[22:35] <valorie> I think continuing to work with them helps everybody
[22:36] <tsimonq2> "a crack they could settle into"
[22:36] <tsimonq2> lol no :)
[22:36] <valorie> between Ubuntu and KDE i mean
[22:36] <tsimonq2> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh
[22:36] <tsimonq2> idk
[22:38] <valorie> I would rather see us all still together, but neon is providing a service to plasma developers in particular
[22:38] <valorie> and that ends up helping everybody
[22:38] <valorie> all of desktop and mobile linux at least
[22:39] <valorie> sec
[23:01] <valorie> maybe not a crack -- a niche