[00:15] <zmoylan-pi> bark
[07:52] <diplo> Morning all
[08:34] <SuperMatt> good morning
[08:34] <SuperMatt> My study is freezing today
[08:45] <diplo> I went swimming at 06:30, on my that was cold! muscles are warm now though
[08:47] <SuperMatt> I did my first swim in ages on tuesday
[08:47] <SuperMatt> 25 lengths of a 25m pool
[08:47] <SuperMatt> I was quite proud of my slightly overweight self
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:06] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:06] <SuperMatt> Working from home is always awesome
[09:09] <brobostigon> morning, :)
[09:12] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[09:16] <brobostigon> o/
[09:28] <foobarry> seem to have caught a company using bots to create fake bids to drive up auction prices
[09:28] <foobarry> the evidence is overwhelming. incluiding brand new accounts and immediate retracted bids after they found the max bid price
[09:32] <diplo> SuperMatt: I do 20 lengths with my boy on Wednesday mornings, don't have time for much more as I drop him back to his mums and then need to get to work, but he is loving it, bit overweight so it helps in multiple ways
[09:44] <SuperMatt> foobarry: we've found we can deal with our bot problem simply by blocking every single amazon IP at the firewall level
[09:45] <foobarry> the problem is that this is an item we bid on
[09:46] <foobarry> and somebody has bid up the item many 100s of pounds with seemingly fake bids
[09:46] <foobarry> and a lot of their other items too
[09:51] <SuperMatt> oh, it's not a site you're running
[10:29] <diplo> Any of you guys use nginx ?
[10:31] <SuperMatt> I do
[10:31] <SuperMatt> sometimes
[10:31] <SuperMatt> when I can be bothered
[10:32] <diplo> Trying to work out location, I use it on my website, but I only server one site for my vps.. but locally I want to test and I'm playing with flask, I can load the site at default ip
[10:32] <diplo> But want to load ip/diplo
[10:32] <diplo> So from what I read I should use location /diplo and that should do that for me
[11:26] <foobarry> i didn't explain..the auction is ebay. their approach is poor at resolving this stuff
[11:39] <Scarecrow> Hi all, got this problem, wondering if anyone could shed some light? - https://serverfault.com/questions/895023/nfs-on-ubuntu-17-04-works-but-not-on-17-10
[12:13] <daftykins> Scarecrow: is that your post? have you also asked in #ubuntu ?
[12:21] <Scarecrow> daftykins: Hi, it is my colleagues post and yes, I have asked in #ubuntu
[12:22] <daftykins> what's the point of you being the go-between then?
[12:26] <Scarecrow> Just trying to find a solution. I thought I'd give IRC a shot...
[12:26] <daftykins> right but if the issue is affecting someone else...
[12:27] <zleap> Scarecrow: hi
[12:27] <zleap> i agree daftykins sometimes being a go-between causes more confusion trying to get the right information.
[12:28] <daftykins> only the person that can test should really seek help - but if it's being used in a work context, non-LTS isn't a wise choice
[12:29] <Scarecrow> We're a 2 man operation working on the same project. There is no confusion, just trying to get a solution between us.
[12:29] <zleap> ok
[12:29] <zleap> we cna try and help
[12:29] <zleap> can
[12:29] <daftykins> hopefully you're aware of the difference between LTS and not, then
[12:34] <Scarecrow> Yes, I am aware and it is being used in a work context
[12:35] <Scarecrow> We were advised by digital ocean to upgrade due to the recent Spectre / Meltdown issues that have arisen
[12:36] <Scarecrow> Upgrade went all to plan. It's just this nfs mount issue we are now having
[12:39] <daftykins> no that's not what DO's mailing said, it said make sure your kernel is up to date :)
[12:39] <daftykins> so it's a DO droplet as well, heh
[12:45] <Scarecrow> Well, yeah okay it did say to update the kernel yes, you got me ha...but, that being said, surely 17.10 should still function correctly in the same way 17.04 does right?
[12:47] <daftykins> neither release should really be designed around at all, you should be using an LTS release on a DO droplet if you're hosting services for others
[12:47] <daftykins> also, upgrading droplets is wholly unnecessary, the beauty of VMs is being able to spin up another, configure it all right and test it, then switch over services and destroy the old one
[12:48] <daftykins> whilst none of that is going to help now, have a think about it for the future
[12:49] <zleap> i take it droplet is a container system like kubernates, docker etc
[12:50] <daftykins> nah just digitalocean's own term for a VM instance
[12:50] <daftykins> just to be different :D
[12:51] <Scarecrow> daftykins: 17.10 is the most up to date droplet they provide as an option...what makes you say that upgrading the droplet is unnecessary just out of interest?
[12:51] <daftykins> !lts
[12:53] <daftykins> Scarecrow: 14.04 and 16.04 are the current long term support editions, if you and your colleague are providing services running from these, you should stick to LTS releases so that you know when they're going to get dropped... 17.04 and 17.10 are only good for a few months, which is wholly impractical to keep atop of
[12:53] <diplo> Better suited fort hings like NFS shares where you don't want things to go wrong
[12:53] <diplo> inbetween are newer less tested releases
[12:54] <Scarecrow> Ahhhhhh okay - apologies! Thanks a lot, lesson learned haha!!
[12:54] <Scarecrow> Cheers all :)
[12:54] <diplo> But, NFS is voodoo i find, iot works or doesn't
[12:54] <diplo> Getting past the issues is so pain staking, I try not to use it :/
[12:54] <diplo> Which is so unhelpful
[12:58] <daftykins> i've been having a laugh at the new installer on 18.04, subiquity, right now it fails to apply network config you enter into the installer, failed to wipe a disk prior to install, so stopped... and fails to install to virt technologies where disks don't have serial numbers
[12:58] <daftykins> got a loooong way to go :D
[13:12] <diplo> Bugs already there for all those things ?
[13:12] <diplo> Only run ubuntu on servers atm on my machines
[13:12] <daftykins> yeah, or i seconded them
[13:12] <daftykins> same - i don't use desktop Linux at all
[13:13] <diplo> Oh I do like a linux desktop, run windows and linux, been using Solus for about 8 months now
[13:16] <SuperMatt> I've been running Ubuntu since I realised that all I need these days is a browser and a terminal
[13:16] <SuperMatt> Ubuntu provides that
[13:16] <SuperMatt> Don't need any more fluff
[13:17] <daftykins> well, hate to say it, but *buntu sure comes with enough fluff :P
[13:26] <SuperMatt> It does, but it's fluff which means I don't have to think about anything else.
[13:31] <daftykins> err ok
[13:54] <SuperMatt> I just like it because once it's installed I have no configuring to do
[14:53] <diplo> I just didn't want to go back down the gnome route
[15:04] <zmoylan-pi> you... had no gnome to go to? :-P
[15:56] <diplo> heheh
[16:37] <diddledan> Skype is now available as a snap published directly by MS
[16:37] <zmoylan-pi> people still use skype?!
[16:38] <diddledan> Yes. 😋
[16:38] <zmoylan-pi> haven't they learned how much better irc is?! :-D
[16:39] <Laney> gosh
[16:39] <Laney> it's light at 16:39
[16:39] <Laney> summer is coming
[16:39] <zmoylan-pi> for variable levels of summer...
[16:40] <Laney> today is 3:32 longer than yesterday in nottingham
[16:41] <Laney> when that happens again (+3:32) it'll be may 7th/8th!
[16:41] <daftykins> seemed pretty light at plenty past 5 here last night
[16:41] <zmoylan-pi> wasn't there a huge flippin moon?
[16:41] <Laney> daftykins forgets to mention that he works in a lightbulb testing laboratory
[16:42] <diddledan> It's light at 8:40 I guess murrica works differently
[16:42] <zmoylan-pi> when they find out he eats light bulbs there's gonna be trouble...
[16:42] <Laney> helps with weight loss
[16:42] <daftykins> Laney: drat you got me!
[16:42] <zmoylan-pi> only light meals...
[16:43] <czajkowski> does anyone know can you install Telegram on the desktop any more?
[16:43] <czajkowski> I usedt ot have it
[16:43] <czajkowski> then it stopped
[16:44] <daftykins> little person with the morse code clicker must have gone AWOL
[16:44] <daftykins> is it not just a case of googling ubuntu + version + telegram?
[16:45] <czajkowski> daftykins: was more wondering in here before I went there
[16:45] <czajkowski> in case here had a better solution than there
[16:45] <czajkowski> so here before there you see
[16:46] <daftykins> there appears to be a - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/telegram-desktop
[16:46] <daftykins> assuming you're on 17.10
[16:46] <czajkowski> aye indeed
[16:47] <czajkowski> daftykins: cheers
[16:47] <czajkowski> see here > there
[16:47] <czajkowski> <----------- very tired
[16:47] <daftykins> i just ran the same google
[16:47] <daftykins> i don't even use ubuntu
[16:47] <daftykins> :D
[16:48] <ali1234> is the skype snap new?
[16:49] <daftykins> apparently it's the same version as the deb
[16:49] <ali1234> of course
[16:49] <ali1234> skype is currently broken for me anyway
[16:49] <daftykins> i always thought MS were taunting Loonix users with an ancient version
[16:49] <ali1234> but i prefer snaps for nasty binary only crud
[16:49] <ali1234> no they have moved linux to the electron version, it's even worse
[16:50] <diplo> czajkowski: You can get it via snaps as well
[16:52] <diddledan> czajkowski: there's an unofficial snap called telegran-sergiusens
[16:52] <diddledan> Bah I spelt that wrong
[16:52]  * daftykins phones diddledan's gran
[21:12] <diddledan> so. apparently I'm now an Ubuntu Member
[21:16] <diddledan> it's all @popey 's fault
[21:18] <daftykins> oh dear oh dear
[21:19] <diddledan> so do I get a cloak on freenode now?
[21:32] <daftykins> more of a blanket
[21:32] <daftykins> ;)
[21:50] <diddledan> does that mean you're gonna smother me with it?!
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> and waste a blanket?!
[22:01] <daftykins> i'd have to ask the cat