[00:00] <pfriel> @nacc haha I was just looking at the channel list for a server specific channel.. will do, thx
[00:00] <nacc> pfriel: i can make sure the right folks see it
[00:01] <TJ-> ohffy: It's relatively simple to check. Leave the USB device plugged in. Reboot the PC and immediately enter it's firmware setup. Find the "Security" options and (just for this) ensure Secure Boot is enabled. Then, look for a sub-menu/area for "Trust" something-or-other. If you see that, there will be an option to browse to a boot-loader file and trust it, so you find the USB device, then navigate to
[00:01] <TJ-> /EFI/ubuntu/bootx64.efi and trust that file, and any others there (like shimx64.efi). Then return to the Security menu and disable Secure Boot, save options, reboot and then try to boot from that USB device via the manual boot device menu
[00:02] <ohffy> ok I will look for secureboot
[00:02] <nikolam> I have Nvidia 9800 GT. Latest driver on Nvidia site is 340.106 . latest driver in 17.10 repository is 340.104 .  Latest one in development ubuntu is Nvidia driver 340.106 .  Should i better install 340.104 from ubuntu 17.10 repository or a newer one from nvidia site?
[00:03] <nikolam> Nvidia 340.106 release note on nvidia site states: Fixed a compatibility problem between the nvidia.ko's Page Attribute Table (PAT) support and the kernel Page Table Isolation (PTI) patches.
[00:03] <JoeLlama> hey TJ- !!! it works :)
[00:03] <JoeLlama> musta had a skunky broadcom like you said
[00:03] <nikolam> Nvidia 340.106 release note on nvidia site states:
[00:03] <TJ-> JoeLlama: Yay for non-proprietary drivers :D
[00:03] <nikolam>  Fixed a compatibility problem between the nvidia.ko's Page Attribute Table (PAT) support and the kernel Page Table Isolation (PTI) patches.
[00:03] <JoeLlama> hey thanks for all the help TJ-
[00:04] <JoeLlama> yuppers non-proprietary
[00:04] <JoeLlama> okee doke thanks again (:
[00:04] <TJ-> JoeLlama: glad we got you sorted
[00:04] <Sveta> :-)
[00:04] <JoeLlama> I'm still learning ubuntu....  I won't be able to get away from windows completely but I am finding that linux worx so much better and smoother
[00:04] <JoeLlama> yup sorted
[00:04] <JoeLlama> hi Sveta long time no see
[00:05] <Sveta> hello :-)
[00:08] <nikolam> !btrfs
[00:23] <nikolam> Anyone remember that nice link about setting up Btrfs parameters after install? (Would like to avoid meltdown like I once had after Btrfs install and putting much data on it)
[00:23] <nikolam> I mean, to do something setting some parameter, to avoid problem if partition is getting filled in the future, something like that
[00:24] <nikolam> I remember I used to delete snapshots and manage metadata when system was unbootable because of this, I would like to avoid that
[00:30] <JoeLlama> okay so like, xubuntu vs lubuntu:  which is going to work faster on an older systems (Intel Atom 1.6GHz 2G RAM)?
[00:30] <TJ-> JoeLlama: the bases, about the same. It depends on the applications you use mostly
[00:31] <JoeLlama> okee doke then I think I'm gunna stick to xubuntu for these... the GUI seems better to me.
[00:31] <amd64> you can always slap a DE on any old ubuntu
[00:31] <JoeLlama> I literally have piles of notebook computers like this
[00:32] <JoeLlama> DE ok I google
[00:32] <JoeLlama> ah I see
[00:34] <amd64> for instance you can use Lubuntu for its light-ness and slap xfce on it, and remove lubuntu-desktop
[00:34] <amd64> Lubuntu is very light
[00:34] <JoeLlama> ya too light
[00:34] <JoeLlama> for me
[00:34] <rud0lf> it floats
[00:35] <JoeLlama> ok so like for xubuntu 16.04 I can also manually download and install updates of course right?
[00:35] <ChristianM-NY> I need major help
[00:35] <JoeLlama> I prefer to preinstall updates before a box "sees" the internet
[00:35] <amd64> JoeLlama yes
[00:36] <amd64> you can only install updates yourself
[00:36] <JoeLlama> ya I kinda knew that...  I will research how later
 what appears to be the problem?
[00:36] <JoeLlama> thanks amd64
[00:36] <ChristianM-NY> I did this: sudo apt-get autoremove ....did this because after installing some stuff...the terminal told me to type this to remove old pakcages....well now it only boots up to the Login screen....when I sign in...it just goes back to login again
[00:36] <amd64> JoeLlama, sudo apt upgrade (retrieves updates)
[00:37] <ChristianM-NY> Ubuntu 16.04.3 MATE
[00:37] <JoeLlama> ok thanks amd64
[00:37] <TJ-> JoeLlama: if the PCs are connected locally to a LAN through a router that is doing NAT, then there's very little to worry about.
[00:37] <amd64> JUST KIDDING UPDATE DOES RETRIEVAL
[00:37] <JoeLlama> hrm k
[00:37] <amd64> JOELLAMA IM SORRY SUDO APT UPGRADE INSTALLS THEM!!!
[00:37] <JoeLlama> okee dokee
[00:37] <ChristianM-NY> ?
[00:37] <ChristianM-NY> amd64 are you saying I can type that and it will restore my Desktop?
 This might be a problem whit your DE
[00:38] <amd64> (and no that was a different conversation
[00:38] <amd64> )
[00:38] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: what did you install/remove jsut before using "autoremove" ?
[00:38] <ChristianM-NY> My DE was fine until I typed suod qpt-get autoremove
[00:38] <amd64> you're running just ubuntu right? <ChristianM-NY>
[00:38] <ChristianM-NY> I dont remember What I installed...but it was probably a music player
[00:38] <Sveta> ChristianM-NY: pastebin /var/log/apt/history.log
[00:38] <ChristianM-NY> Ubuntu 16.04.3 MATE
[00:38] <noi> anyone using ubuntu 16.04 on the xps 9560?
[00:39] <ChristianM-NY> I cant! I cannot get into my Ubuntu
[00:39] <noi> considering buying the xps 15 before the new model comes out
[00:39] <ChristianM-NY> it only goes upto the Login Screen
[00:39] <amd64> okay hold on CHristianM-NY hang in there
[00:40] <texla> How do I delete an entry in grub 40_custom
[00:40] <ChristianM-NY> thanks....I am using the Very laptop though.....it tripleboots MacOSX 10.6, Linux Mint 9 and Ubuntu16.04.3 MATE
[00:40] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: Press Ctrl+Alt+F2 to get a console login
[00:40] <Howie69> Stupid HexChat
[00:40] <ChristianM-NY> ok....what then after that?
[00:40] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: log-in there, then do "pastebinit /var/log/apt/history.log" and tell us the URL it gives you
[00:40] <Howie69> Windows version crashes in win10
[00:40] <ChristianM-NY> because Once I reboot to do that...wont see you
[00:41] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: Hang on, are you currently using a dual-boot and in a different OS on the same PC?
 try running sudo apt install mate and tell us what it says
[00:42] <Howie69> And that was completely posted in the wrong room
[00:42] <amd64> TJ- how would that help?
[00:42] <texla> tj I use delete an or backspace and even uncommented..It returns when I run update-grub
[00:43] <ChristianM-NY> TJ and amd64 ... Yes I am triple booting.....Im on MacOSX now
 quite the setup you have
 can you chroot into Ubuntu using a live usb?
[00:44] <ChristianM-NY> yeah...I use and old Macbook Pro from 2008 and I LOVE it but needed and updated OS that was not MacOS so installed Ubuntu 16.04.3 which I love
[00:44] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: let's give you a couple of things to check when you do boot Ubuntu...
[00:44] <ChristianM-NY> yes please
[00:44] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: firstly, as I said earlier, use Ctrl+Alt+F2 to get to a console and log-in, then ...
[00:45] <ChristianM-NY> ok..
[00:46] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: ... check if any files in your user's home directory are not owned by your user. We often see GUI login loops when 'root' has become owner of $HOME/.Xauthority, so do "ls -altr" and it'll list all files with last-changed at the end. If you see that file owned by root, do "sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.Xauthority"
[00:46] <ChristianM-NY> wow...have no idea what you just said
[00:47] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: if that was the case you can return to the GUI greeter log-in screen by pressing Alt+F7 and then logging in
[00:47] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: screenshot/printer time :D
[00:47] <ChristianM-NY> and Im technically savvy :-)
[00:47] <ChristianM-NY> how about the history log like you said earlier?
[00:49] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: the reason to view that would be to see what was removed by that autoremove so you could reinstall stuff that is required by the desktop environment
[00:50] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: autoremove will only remove packages that are not required by other packages, but if at some point you've manually removed a 'parent' package it could, later, remove packages that the desktop environmet requires.
[00:51] <ChristianM-NY> oh...no no....I remember what it removed...it was an old kernel!
[00:51] <ChristianM-NY> that is said it no longer needed
[00:52] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: the easiest way to avoid having to decipher that is to force a DE reinstall with "sudo apt --reinstall install ubuntu-mate-desktop" which will force any missing dependencies to be fetched and installed
[00:52] <ChristianM-NY> but it removed othr stuff once I initiated: sudo apt-get autoremove like it told me to
[00:52] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: OK, so I'm going to guess your issue is likely the 'root' ownership then
[00:52] <ChristianM-NY> how? wont I need to be online? and how do I get online to re-install that?
[00:53] <ChristianM-NY> Im on Wifi in a Cafe
[00:53] <ChristianM-NY> well anyway...let me reboot and try some of those you said..... I shall be back in a few ...hopefully
[00:53] <ChristianM-NY> brb :-)
[00:53] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: one other command you can use "find . -maxdepth 1 \! -user $USER -ls"  ... which'll find any files not owned by your $USER, so you know which to "chown"
[00:54] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: if you wanted to automate the fix you could even do "find . -maxdepth 1 \! -user $USER -exec sudo chown $USER:$USER {} \;"
[00:55] <ChristianM-NY> oh at what point to I press: Ctrl+Alt+F2 to get the terminal?
[00:55] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: when you're at the GUI greeter log-in screen
[00:55] <ChristianM-NY> at the Login Screen?
[00:55] <ChristianM-NY> ok thanks
[00:55] <ChristianM-NY> brb
[00:55] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: but can switch back and forth at any time
[01:04] <RgbTrouw> hello world
[01:05] <Sveta> hi
[01:05] <RgbTrouw> just checking ;))
[01:05] <RgbTrouw> looking for some peers for a project
[01:06] <fengshaun> what happened to zesty repos?
[01:06] <RgbTrouw> a satellite network project
[01:06] <fengshaun> everything 404s
[01:06] <Bashing-om> !zesty | fengshaun
[01:07] <fengshaun> ouch
[01:07] <fengshaun> how do I upgrade to later versions now?
[01:07] <Bashing-om> !eol | fengshaun
[01:07] <fengshaun> thanks
[01:08] <RgbTrouw> please have a look https://hackaday.io/project/25963-biometric-firewall
[01:08] <RgbTrouw> let me know if you re interested
[01:08] <Bashing-om> fengshaun: :) Good luck .
[01:15] <RgbTrouw> hi again
[01:15] <ChristianM-NY> ok back
[01:15] <ChristianM-NY> TJ-
[01:15] <ChristianM-NY>  so nothing I typed worked
[01:15] <ChristianM-NY> pastebinit    is not installed it says, so I cannot get the history log
[01:16] <ChristianM-NY> ls altr    when typed the altr is not known
[01:16] <ChristianM-NY> Alt+F7 just takes me to Login GUI
[01:17] <ChristianM-NY> and WHile in Login, it showns me options to Login into KODI or Plasma...both do not work and take me back to the login sceen
[01:17] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: "ls -latr" (the hyphen is the 'option'  sign
[01:17] <ChristianM-NY> I see
[01:17] <ChristianM-NY> well, I will have to come back here another day and try that and get your help...Gotta leave this Cafe.....getting too many Stares :-)
[01:18] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: also, you should have network connection from console if it's configured to autoconnect.
 lol cya! good luck!
[01:18] <TJ-> ChristianM-NY: you really need to boot from a  LiveISO to do diagnosis from a stable base
[01:18] <amd64> ^^^^^^^^^
[01:18] <texla> TJ..Found the same Puppy Linux in /etc/grub.d/40_custom deleted it and also deleted from /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new Now update-grub is cleared of all errors..Thanks for your help!!!
[01:18] <ChristianM-NY> its not, but I think in GRUB it lest me repair ubntu and allows me to get network through the terminal I think...so I will try that next time
[01:19] <ChristianM-NY> yeah, Will Try
[01:19] <TJ-> texla: finally!!! :D
[01:19] <ChristianM-NY> I do have plenty of Live Ubuntu disks
[01:19] <ChristianM-NY> but anyway... I got to go! ..Thanks TJ_ and amd64
[01:20] <ChristianM-NY> Bye yall!
[01:20] <RgbTrouw> :)
[01:20] <amd64> AY HE'S A FELLOW SUTHERNER
[01:21] <amd64> *sorry
[02:01] <JoeLlama> Hi guys.  So lets talk about dual screen with xubuntu :)
[02:01] <JoeLlama> what's the trick?
[02:03] <JoeLlama> here I go gunna plug the external monitor in (:
[02:04] <JoeLlama> welp, it recognized it
[02:06] <ChileStuff> Greetings denizens
[02:07] <JoeLlama> it worked
[02:07] <ChileStuff> My sentiments exactly  :)
[02:08] <ChileStuff> Can anyone help newb figure out why I can't get firefox in Ubuntu?
[02:08] <ChileStuff> Doesn't show up in any software list and tor won't run at all
[02:11] <ChileStuff> FYI, I had to remove my "updated" firefox and revert to v47 just to reinstall chatzilla
[02:12] <ChileStuff> Seems 58 won't let it install or run
[02:14] <ChileStuff> not sure if I'm using the proper syntax ... I know how much some people hate improper usage ...
[02:17] <ChileStuff> Or maybe I showed up at nap time
[02:18] <i486> im here
[02:18] <i486> that's extremely odd
[02:18] <nacc> ChileStuff: what versio of ubuntu?
[02:18] <ChileStuff> Yay!  :)
[02:18] <Lupercus> hi and welcome i486
[02:18] <ChileStuff> 17 something .. on another laptop
[02:18] <nacc> ChileStuff: it's rather important
[02:18] <i486> um hello Lupercus
[02:18] <nacc> ChileStuff: if it's 17.04, then your EOL
[02:19] <nacc> ChileStuff: if it's 17.10, then it should work, yes
[02:19] <nacc> ChileStuff: (zesty and artful, respectively)
[02:20] <i486> he could still add the custom firefox repo
[02:20] <ChileStuff> Well for some reason after updating to the latest firefox it refused to even see chatzilla
[02:20] <nacc> i486: which would not be supported here, so let's pass on that
[02:20] <i486> ok nacc
[02:21] <ChileStuff> So I removed firefox in order to reload, but now ubuntu don't even see firefox in any of the software lists
[02:22] <ChileStuff> what's not supported here? Did I miss something?
[02:23] <Sveta> ChileStuff: hello!
[02:23] <ChileStuff> Hiyas
[02:24] <Sveta> ChileStuff: chatzilla does not work in firefox 58+ because firefox dropped the legacy extensions api. hang on, i'll check how to get it back with ubuntu
[02:24] <ChileStuff> Thank you!
[02:25] <i486> ChileStuff how are you today?
[02:25] <ChileStuff> Sadly I can't even find firefox, and even after installing Tor, it won't run at all
[02:25] <ChileStuff> Agrivated at updates that screw perfectly good setups  :)
[02:26] <ChileStuff> Thought that would end after killing Winblows
[02:26] <Sveta> ChileStuff: a firefox fork continues to have the legacy api, its install instructions are located at http://linux.palemoon.org/ (click the ubuntu and debian link on the page). then chatzilla is listed in its addon manager
[02:26] <Sveta> ChileStuff: this is outside of official ubuntu repository, so bug reports need to be filed to palemoon website not to ubuntu
[02:27] <Sveta> ChileStuff: alternatively, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PPAs provide a seamonkey package that includes the entire suite (web browser, mail, chatzilla) in one program
[02:27] <Kon-> Moving to an outdated fork of Firefox just to support an unmaintained addon is not a good idea.
[02:27] <ChileStuff> Ok, gimme a sec ... this is a winblows machine, I have to go to the linux box
[02:28] <Kon-> Firefox Quantum is a big improvement, and most of the actively developed addons have moved over by now.
[02:28] <Sveta> if someone opens a bountysource entry for moving chatzilla over, i'll chip in :)
[02:28] <Kon-> Chatzilla was always limited in the first place. If you use IRC a lot, why not use an IRC application?
[02:28] <Kon-> Hexchat, Konversation, etc
[02:28] <ChileStuff> Yeah, I'm a big fan of "improvements" that screw the pooch  :/
[02:29] <Kon-> ChileStuff, nobody was screwed except people who rely on abandonware
[02:29] <i486> Kon- oof truth hurts
[02:30] <ChileStuff> Yeah well I'm one of those old farts that hates change  :D
[02:30] <nacc> ChileStuff: then why are you not an LTS release?
[02:30] <nacc> ChileStuff: you're being a bit self-contradictory
[02:31] <ChileStuff> I have a mind like a legacy HDD ... limited storage space: Once it's full, you have to remove something to learn something new
[02:31] <ChileStuff> self-contradictory as in what am I doing with Linux?
[02:32] <i486> nacc ubuntu version really won't be important until 18.04 rolls in
[02:32] <nacc> ChileStuff: you say you don't want chnage, but then you're running a reelase that requires you to upgrade every 6-9 months
[02:32] <nacc> i486: ... i don't know why you say that
[02:32] <ChileStuff> After loosing my voice screaming at yet another windows 10 "update", I had enough
[02:33] <Dserge> Sup
[02:33] <ChileStuff> And for arguments sake, I dind't know it would update that often ... I just got into Ubuntu a month ago
[02:33] <ChileStuff> I still have a lot to learn
[02:33] <i486> nacc the main issue with ChileStuff is probably just UI, something that won't receive a major change until 18.04.
[02:33] <nacc> ChileStuff: it's worth reading the release notes and knowing how long things are supported for
[02:34] <nacc> i486: i have no idea what you're talking about. They said they are on 17.x, which was the gnome transition
[02:34] <Dserge> 17.10 is awesome
[02:34] <nacc> i486: if you mean if they were on an LTS in the first place, yes, you might be right
[02:34] <mockie> ChileStuff, you on 17.10?
[02:34] <i486> nacc oh forgot
[02:34] <nacc> i486: but i don't know why or how you assumed that
[02:34] <ChileStuff> It would help if I had more time to devote to learning, but my business keeps me jumping
[02:34] <Kon-> ChileStuff, be aware that 17.10 will stop receiving updates in July. If you upgrade to 18.04, that will get updates until April 2023
[02:35] <i486> I went from 16.06 to 18.04 dev
[02:35] <nacc> Kon-: well, and you have to update by june/july or so
[02:35] <ChileStuff> Yeah I'll prolly update when it's out
[02:35] <mockie> Yeah, stay on the x.04 releases if you want long-term support =)
[02:35] <i486> ChileStuff that means no major changes will happen until you are forced out of 18.04 LTS
[02:35] <i486> If you don't like change ;-)
[02:36] <ChileStuff> Hopefully by then I'll know a lot more, or I'll be dead ... still trying to figure out which is best  :P
[02:36] <ChileStuff> Where is the best place to learn ... commands, etc
[02:38] <i486> I'd start by learning general things like how to use apt and sudo
[02:38] <ChileStuff> Sveta: Can I move my thunderbird files over to seamonkey?
[02:38] <i486> just as a starting foothold. Everyone needs to know how to run things as root and update their computers
[02:38] <Dserge> what channel is for just general ubuntu chat?
[02:38] <ChileStuff> My entire business is in thunderbird
[02:39] <Kon-> ChileStuff, I recommend SeaMonkey to no one. Stay in Thunderbird if it is your most important application.
[02:39] <ChileStuff> i486: Yeah that's what I mean ... any good resources for the newb?
[02:41] <i486> I'm young so I googled until I found a way to perform the task without breaking anything
[02:41] <ChileStuff> Ok, can you recommend something other that chatzilla? Preferably one that doesn't choke on VPN
[02:41] <ChileStuff> LOL
[02:42] <ChileStuff> Well, I was a tech back when state of the art was 40 Meg HDDs, 4" thinck and "My GAWD! Who will EVER use that much storage?"
[02:43] <Kon-> ChileStuff, since you're on GNOME, Hexchat
[02:43] <Kon-> I think mainline Ubuntu comes with it preinstalled
[02:43] <ChileStuff> But things changed to fast to keep up, so now I make hot sauce for a living
[02:43] <ChileStuff> hmm
[02:43] <mockie> irssi is a good one if you really want to learn command line ;)
[02:44] <i486> ChileStuff I am on HexChat and the UI is really easy to use
[02:44] <ChileStuff> Not preinstalled, but in the software mgr
[02:45] <Kon-> Interesting. Does anyone know what the main Ubuntu image ships with? I'm on KDE
[02:45] <ChileStuff> But firefox is nowhere to be found .. what is the sudo command to find it?
[02:45] <openthesky> if you're talking about irc clients I'm actually trying irc from pidgin and it's really good so far
[02:45] <ChileStuff> hmm
[02:46] <Kon-> I used to use Pidgin, but because it's a combo client, the IRC functionality is quite barebones. And all of the other IM services it supports became irrelevant
[02:46] <ChileStuff> "unable to install hexchat as not supported"
[02:46] <openthesky> Kon-: I'm not a super heavy irc user, what was missing?
[02:46] <Kon-> openthesky, it's been a few years but I remember having to authenticate through autorun chat commands to query Nickserv
[02:47] <openthesky> what kind of queries?
[02:48] <Kon-> query Nickserv identify password
[02:48] <kenrin> you enable SASL for that
[02:48] <openthesky> actually now I'm curious how auth works...
[02:49] <Kon-> kenrin, at least when I last used it, Pidgin did not support SASL or PASS authentication
[02:49] <openthesky> seemed to go ok, although NickServ sent me a message that I'm logged in
[02:49] <Kon-> Nor did it have color cutomization or log format customization, which also annoyed me in the end
[02:49] <kenrin> That sounds like Pidgin,  does everything badly instead of one thing good
[02:50] <openthesky> I could see that. I think I'm just used to the AIM style of things. buddy lists and such.
[02:50] <Kon-> Didn't AIM go offline recently?
[02:50] <openthesky> It did!
[02:50] <ChileStuff> damn
[02:51] <openthesky> can't say I used it after 2005, but it's too bad it's gone
[02:51] <ChileStuff> how do I ident?
[02:51] <Kon-> The better question is why ChileStuff can't install Hexchat from the software center
[02:51] <ChileStuff> Nah, it's done
[02:51] <openthesky> I've never had good luck with the software center personally
[02:51] <ChileStuff> trying to get in from the other machine but forgot how
[02:51] <openthesky> maybe I just break my installation too much
[02:52] <ChileStuff> wht's the syntax to ident?
[02:52] <Kon-> I don't blame you. I have never used the Ubuntu software center for anything
[02:52] <kenrin> you mean /msg nickserv identify password ?
[02:52] <ChileStuff> yes thanks
[02:52] <openthesky> does idnet == NickServ?
[02:53] <kenrin> I don't know what ident is,  I assume short for identify
[02:53] <ChileStuff> I used to have a great memory, but the 60's were very good to me
[02:53] <kenrin> If you forget all the time,  like me.  Just /msg nickserv help
[02:55] <ChileStuff> ^&&^%%$*$
[02:56] <ChileStuff> Ok hexchat is much different than chatzilla
[02:56] <openthesky> I don't mean to derail the channel to irc stuff but how do you guys maintain a contact list? I've used hexchat and I always had trouble knowing when someone was on or not without poking nickserv or something funny like that
[02:56] <ChileStuff> It keeps disconnecting and reconnecting too fast for me to get a type in edgewiase
[02:57] <kenrin> I use a weechat script,  called buddylist
[02:57] <openthesky> ChileStuff: is your network connection funky?
[02:59] <ChileStuff> Not sure what you mean
[02:59] <kenrin> I think he is asking why it is disconnecting
[03:02] <ChileStuff> My network is fine, I don't think I'm using hexchat properly
[03:03] <ChileStuff> It's installed, but I think I need to reconfigure the settings
[03:03] <openthesky> are you trying to find a new irc client?
[03:03] <ChileStuff> Yeah that works without firefox
[03:04] <openthesky> I know you're trying hexchat but like I said before I'm using pidgin right now. it's pretty great, fairly intuitive.
[03:05] <openthesky> hexchat I found sort of confusing, but I used to use it a lot before switching to firefox because it felt clunky to me.
[03:08] <ChileStuff> No pidgin here
[03:10] <ChileStuff> Ok, found a pidgin, but it says it's an IM client
[03:10] <amd64> Pardon me for interrupting but i think it is
[03:11] <Kon-> ChileStuff, if you don't like Hexchat, try Konversation. It's a bit better looking and easier to get around in
[03:12] <fovc> Hi everyone! I need help debugging a strange issue: after I log into the graphical session my keyboard stops working. No program seems to receive its input. Even the on-screen keyboard can't send input
[03:12] <fovc> Any ideas for what I could try?
[03:13] <ChileStuff> A pox on all idiots that create a password and then forget it! (he says poking himself in the eye ...)
[03:14] <Dalek_Breath> This site is telling me Java or Flash is not installed in firefox or chromium browsers... but it is installed. Is there something I can do to fi this? http://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/extra/trivia
[03:14] <ChileStuff> Isn't there a command, (sudo or something) that goes out to find and install sofware without the software manager?
[03:14] <kenrin> There is a reset procedure you can use.  But if you didn't sign up with an email you just have to wait for the nick to be reclaimed
[03:15] <Kon-> ChileStuff, query NickServ SENDPASS will allow you to reset your password via the email you used to register
[03:15] <ChileStuff> Oh I'm talking about my admin pass in Ubunto  :/
[03:16] <Kon-> Yeah, you'll need to be able to remember that
[03:16] <ChileStuff> Good thing my GF likes making lists
[03:16] <ChileStuff> "Yo're gonna need this later ..."
[03:16] <ChileStuff> I hate when she's right
[03:17] <openthesky> ChilieStuff: yes, I think there's a better way but here's what I do:
[03:17] <openthesky> apt-cache search <termhere>
[03:17] <openthesky> sudo apt-get install <thing>
[03:17] <kenrin> Takes just a few minutes to reset
[03:17] <openthesky> the first searches with a term, the second installs something (need your admin pass for it)
[03:17] <ChileStuff> lol
[03:18] <openthesky> I find it helps to do a google search for programs then follow the instructions you find. usually it's pretty easy.
[03:19] <kenrin> How do you google from a command-line ?
[03:19] <openthesky> easiest way would probably to used a command line based browser. lynx is the most popular.
[03:20] <fovc> Any ideas on the keyboard? It's only in my own session -- the guest session works just fine. And also the F1 terminal
[03:21] <openthesky> fovc: what's wrong with your keyboard?
[03:22] <fovc> openthesky: after logging in, keyboard input is ignored -- even the virtual keyboard
[03:22] <fovc>      
[03:22] <ChileStuff> hmm
[03:22] <kenrin> Even from ssh ?
[03:22] <kenrin> I see some posts about people having slowkeys enabled accidentally and their keyboard stopped working on that user
[03:22] <ChileStuff> I guess I need to add an alternate identity
[03:23] <fovc> kenrin: Oh let me check!
[03:24] <Dalek_Breath> flash plugin runs in chrome (chrome claims it is out of date) but will not run in firefox
[03:24] <ChileStuff> Ok that didn't work
[03:24] <Sveta> ChileStuff: re TB to SM move: maybe works; please try
[03:25] <cfhowlett> Dalek_Breath, sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[03:25] <JoeLlama> welp, I'm running xubuntu 16.04 on an intel atom 1.6 Ghz notebook 2G RAM and I am impressed.  Ran external keyboard, split monitors, mouse, 256G USB stick, speakers off of this little 9 inch computer.
[03:25] <JoeLlama> and it did it all
[03:26] <JoeLlama> it couldn't handle large video files but smaller ones under 1G it did really well
[03:26] <openthesky> JoeLlama: nice. feels good when stuff just works like that.
[03:26] <JoeLlama> yes openthesky exactly!
[03:26] <openthesky> have you tried using VLC for videos? I prefer it a ton to the default one
[03:26] <openthesky> might fix the 1G video problem
[03:27] <cfhowlett> JoeLlama, sudo apt install lxde (lubuntu's desktop envronment)     logout, choose lxde session login         or
[03:27] <ChileStuff> I got Konversation loaded, but since I'm here it won't let me in, even with an alternate nick
[03:27] <JoeLlama> My next system I'm going to use is Intel Atom N470 1.83 GHz 64 bitter with 2 G RAM
[03:27] <ChileStuff> brb
[03:27] <JoeLlama> hrm cfhowlett?
[03:27] <cfhowlett> JoeLlama, install mplayer and run your movie from the command line
[03:27] <JoeLlama> I like xubuntu it's okay with it's desktop
[03:27] <ak073> That's cool
[03:28] <kenrin> What is that one xfce search menu thing?
[03:28] <JoeLlama> I like vlc and vlc supports the CrystalHD video decoder
[03:28] <ak073> How is xubuntu?
[03:28] <kenrin> whiskermenu?
[03:28] <JoeLlama> ak073 well...  it's not fancy but it works :)
[03:28] <JoeLlama> and seems to work well on these little single core boxes
[03:29] <JoeLlama> windows would be a joke on one of these
[03:29] <JoeLlama> I have like fix of these or more...
[03:29] <JoeLlama> not sure yet still looking
[03:29] <kenrin> What you using those for if you got six
[03:29] <fovc> It worked!
[03:29] <JoeLlama> they are 9.1 inch notebooksfrom like 2009
[03:29] <JoeLlama> yay! it worked!
[03:29] <ak073> I haven't tried it on my smaller devices yet.
[03:29] <kenrin> It worked on ssh fovc?  See if you got any accessibility things enabled for that user
[03:29] <JoeLlama> I love hearing that sound
[03:30] <JoeLlama> yes I *love* small older reliable computers
[03:30] <fovc> Yeah! It was the slow keys
[03:30] <JoeLlama> I hook them up to LARGE external screens
[03:30] <kenrin> Good,  because that is the only thing I found =)
[03:30] <JoeLlama> I hope my CrystalHD decoder boards do the trick for larger video files
[03:31] <fovc> What did you search for?? I tried a bunch of dfferent things and didn't find that
[03:31] <kenrin> I searched for "keyboard doesn't work for certain user ubuntu"
[03:31] <kenrin> It was the first link
[03:31] <ak073> What do you recommend for a small computer?
[03:31] <JoeLlama> ak073 I dunwanna tell :P
[03:31] <JoeLlama> older dells (:
[03:31] <JoeLlama> I like dells
[03:32] <JoeLlama> I have notebooks from 2006 that are worjking great including battery packs
[03:32] <JoeLlama> hard to believe
[03:32] <JoeLlama> when I run on batteries I throttle things way down
[03:32] <fovc> Just tried it: duckduckgo fail, Google success! :(
[03:32] <fovc> Anyway, thanks a ton kenrin!
[03:33] <ak073> oh nice I thought you were talking about smaller devices like the raspberry pi.
[03:33] <JoeLlama> there are three keys to keeping your batteries happy:  1) do not charge too fast!  2) do not discharge too fast!  and 3) Get the BIGGEST battery you can for your computer.  If you do these things, your battery pack can possibly last a LONG time
[03:33] <JoeLlama> I have a lot of smaller "standard" battery packs that were trash after only a couple of years
[03:33] <Sveta> (I read this as 'keeping your babies happy' and was a bit amused)
[03:34] <JoeLlama> my 9 cell packs hold up nicely
[03:34] <JoeLlama> babies :P heh
[03:34] <Sveta> the first two items apply still :P
[03:34] <JoeLlama> the six cell packs I barely havce any that survived but the 9 cell packs since they had less stress with discharging held op
[03:34] <JoeLlama> oops up
[03:35] <JoeLlama> yes I like linux and since dell used ubuntu I like ubuntu too
[03:36] <JoeLlama> people who use ubuntu seem nices that some people who use "other" distros
[03:36] <JoeLlama> s/nices/nicer
[03:36] <cfhowlett> "linux for human beings" will do that ...
[03:37] <JoeLlama> and it was sweet eariier today I had a wifi card that did work and stopped it was as broadcom and I swapped it out with an intel wifi card it just worked
[03:37] <JoeLlama> s/did/didn't
[03:37] <JoeLlama> sheesh
[03:37] <JoeLlama> sheesh not stopped/swapped!
[03:37] <JoeLlama> ok gunna stop talking need food apparently
[03:42] <ChileStuff> *sigh*
[03:42] <ChileStuff> Technology hates me
[03:43] <ChileStuff> I know just enough to know I don't know dick
[03:56] <cerveceriamodelo>   Ive recently updated my python IDE (spyder) installation, which broke it   I can't run spyder, or ipython or pip3 without the "AttributeError: '_NamespacePath' object has no attribute 'sort'" error.
[03:56] <cerveceriamodelo> --> sunil_bansal (~sunil_ban@49.207.51.250) has joined #python
 I'm running ubuntu and use apt-get to install the packages.  I've tried  uninstall and reinstall python3-setuptools  but no joy
[03:57] <cerveceriamodelo> I'm  running 16.04
[03:57] <lapion> Does anyone know if and/or how I can use the bluetooth of a Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) ?
[03:59] <nacc> cerveceriamodelo: install which packages?
[03:59] <cerveceriamodelo> nacc I installed pip, spyder etc from ubuntu packages
[04:00] <nacc> cerveceriamodelo: so spyder or spyder3 -- and it doesn't run now?
[04:00] <cerveceriamodelo> spyder3
[04:00] <cerveceriamodelo> doesnt run now
[04:01] <cerveceriamodelo> nor pip3, nor ipython. All the same error message "AttributeError: '_NamespacePath' object has no attribute 'sort'"
[04:01] <cerveceriamodelo> I've uninstalled and reinstalled
[04:02] <nacc> cerveceriamodelo: `which python3` ?
[04:02] <cerveceriamodelo> /usr/bin/python3
[04:03] <cerveceriamodelo> Python 3.5.2
[04:03] <nacc> cerveceriamodelo: https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/issues/885
[04:03] <nacc> cerveceriamodelo: if i had to guess
[04:05] <cerveceriamodelo> nacc I had seen that page but still unsure how to fix the problem
[04:40] <masber> good afternoon, I am trying to install collectl on my ubuntu Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS machine but it is not working https://bpaste.net/show/e10b1bc26e62 any idea?
[04:41] <masber> looks like dependencies are broken?
[04:41] <cesarin> hi
[04:44] <mouse_> Hello ,anyone know  where to find the download folder in ubuntu ?
[04:45] <mouse_>  i download  some thing on firefox browser,   its  looks complete ,but when i try to find the file couldnt find it , who can help me ?
[04:47] <Bashing-om> mouse_: What shows from terminal command ' ls -al Downloads ' ? note the uppercase "
[04:47] <Bashing-om> D" .. case sensitive.
[04:48] <mouse_> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ls -al Downloads/ total 8 drwxr-xr-x  2 ubuntu ubuntu 4096 1月  12 18:18 . drwxr-xr-x 17 ubuntu ubuntu 4096 2月   1  2018 .. ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[04:49] <mouse_> @bashing-om ,  i get nothing .
[04:49] <mouse_> file name should be   "GNS3 IOS.zip"    270MB
[04:50] <masber>  fontconfig : Depends: fontconfig-config but it is not going to be installed on ubuntu 16.04... why is that?
[04:51] <Bashing-om> mouse_: We can hunt for the file:  sudo find / -name "GNS3 IOS.zip"  .
[04:53] <jenenliu> hi
[04:53] <Bashing-om> masber: What shows ' apt policy fontconfig libfontconfig1 ' .
[04:53] <mouse_> root@ubuntu:~#  sudo find / -name "GNS3 IOS.zip"   find: ‘/run/user/999/gvfs’: Permission denied root@ubuntu:~#
[04:53] <nacc> Bashing-om: i believe in firefox you can click on the little down error that shows up after downloading, and then there is a folder icon as well
[04:54] <Bashing-om> nacc: You the man - have not used FF in ages .
[04:54] <nacc> Bashing-om: i just checked here
[04:55] <Bashing-om> !paste | mouse_
[04:56] <mouse_> i was download from here  https://mega.nz/#fm/transfers  .
[04:57] <masber> Bashing-om, https://bpaste.net/show/d6015f9b54f0
[05:00] <mouse_> @ncaa @bashing-om , i got it  . that download completly promote its not real
[05:01] <mouse_> i have to  click download IOS image one by one
[05:01] <Bashing-om> masber: Hummmm .. nothing wring there . what shows ' dpkg -l fontconfig-config ' ?
[05:02] <Bashing-om> mouse_: :)
[05:02] <masber> Bashing-om, https://bpaste.net/show/7b8f531800de
[05:05] <Bashing-om> masber: Well ! :ets see what we can do to install it . // current for xenial kernel is "Description:Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS" . I do suggest ya get updated if indeed you are still on the .2 release .
[05:07] <masber> Bashing-om, ok, is update and upgrade the same thing?
[05:07] <mouse_> i  curious , in this  moment  & this world only  2-300 ppl in this room ,or IRC Has been sperater many room like this
[05:08] <mouse_> what if i rejoin  #ubuntu will coming the same room here?
[05:08] <masber> Bashing-om, does not want to upgrade, same reason https://bpaste.net/show/cffa73bda57f
[05:11] <masber> Bashing-om, https://bpaste.net/show/6fb2a64e2110
[05:19] <Bashing-om> masber: Doig some checking , see what we should do here .
[05:25] <Bashing-om> masber: Try ' sudo apt purge fonts-dejavu-core ; sudo apt install fonts-dejavu-core ' .
[05:26] <masber> help
[05:33] <Bashing-om> masber: And the re0install of fonts-dejavu-core did what ?
[05:33] <masber> Bashing-om, working on it
[05:35] <masber> I rebooted the server and now doesn't want to start, but this is a different issue I am having with the nvme drives disappearing during boot time
[05:35] <Bashing-om> masber: oUCH !!
[05:36] <masber> yeah fancy hardware does not always works as expected
[05:37] <Bashing-om> masber: AHCI enabled in bios ? for the nvme drives ?
[05:39] <Bashing-om> masber: Maybe still needed with thge 4.4 kernel " NVMe -> Add the following kernel argument at boot time: nvme_load=YES " .
[05:53] <sravan> Anyone?
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> sravan: ask?
[06:02] <sravan> is there any alternatives for "Samsung kies" for ubuntu? Any idea?
[06:03] <sravan> i want to sync my samsung device with my machine. But there is no application I could find for this purpose
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> sravan: tested it from wine?
[06:08] <sravan> No. I never used wine
[06:09] <sravan> I never faced a situation using wine
[06:09] <BlackDalek> how do I make adobe flash plugin work in Firefox 58.0 ?
[06:10] <sravan> BlackDalek: You can install from Add-ons
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras | BlackDalek
[06:11] <BlackDalek> sravan, lotuspsychje I have it installed.. it just does not work.
[06:14] <sravan> BlachDalek: Refer this please. Hope you will get the solution https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keep-flash-up-to-date-and-troubleshoot-problems
[06:19] <RajRajRaj>  i need a quick help, i have two virtual boxes each running ubuntu 16.04 and i am running a server on one machine at port 8080, but i am not able to access that port from the other box. they both are on NatNetwork and i have enabled port forwarding. please help asap
[06:19] <RajRajRaj> Can someone quickly help, i have to demo the cpprest
[06:19] <RajRajRaj> I have turned off firewall on my host machine
[06:19] <RajRajRaj> And flushed iptables on both vboxes
[06:19] <RajRajRaj> please help ASAP
[06:20] <RajRajRaj> Anyone?
[06:28] <sravan> RajRajRaj: check if a firewall is running on your ubuntu server. If so, check if the desired port is open (8080 in your case). If you do not want to open the port to public access you can configure a rule to accept only traffic from the local sub-net.
[06:31] <sravan> RajRajRaj: https://www.howtogeek.com/122641/how-to-forward-ports-to-a-virtual-machine-and-use-it-as-a-server/  hope this also miay help
[06:32] <RajRajRaj> sravan: how to check the firewall
[06:34] <RajRajRaj> sravan: i have used that link
[06:35] <RajRajRaj> The point is i am not able to access the port from outside
[06:35] <RajRajRaj> And if i open the port using nc it works
[06:35] <RajRajRaj> Something is terribly wrong i don't get it
[06:38] <mr-day> hi
[06:39] <kitthethird> Hello all, I'm kitthethird, and I have some questions about redteaming on Ubuntu 16.04. I don't know if this should go in -offtopic, or if you allow discussion of redteaming/vulnerabilities at all. I read the rules and it didn't mention anything related?
[06:45] <RajRajRaj> sravan:
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> kitthethird: this channel if your ubuntu issues
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> !usn | kitthethird see also #ubuntu-hardened
[06:47] <kitthethird> I'll pop into ubuntu-hardened then, thanks!
[06:52] <mr-day> can i move my ubuntu dash to right? it like so far to get in left side
[06:52] <mr-day> *cursor
[06:53] <BlackDalek> I keep getting warnings for duplicate repo sources in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xenial-partner.list because they are already in my primary /etc/apt/sources.list. Why do I have these additional sources.list.d/ lists and is it safe to just delete them? How do I stop them coming back?
[07:07] <mr-day> BlackDalek: are u have been try to delete from software update?
[07:11] <BlackDalek> mr-day, are i what have been who?
[07:12] <mr-day> what
[07:12] <mr-day> 0,o
[07:13] <BlackDalek> mr-day, that's what I thought when you said "are u have been try to delete from software update"
[07:13] <BlackDalek> not sure what that meant
[07:14] <BlackDalek> are you have been try? 0_o
[07:16] <mr-day> haha XD i mean try to remove duplicate sources by software & update apps
[07:23] <eraserpencil> need help with vlc
[07:24] <eraserpencil> It's not playing back an mp4 file
[07:27] <BlackDalek> mr-day, well duplicate entries were in the sources & software app, but it refuses to let you remove one entry without removing the other.
[07:29] <BlackDalek> mr-day, I went ahead and did sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xenial-partner.list and that fixed it
[07:30] <BlackDalek> still don't know why xenial-partner.list got created in first place.
[07:43] <neurre> hi
[07:43] <neurre> i just freshly installed 17.10
[07:43] <neurre> when i try to start settings, my whole session crashes
[07:43] <neurre> i need to login back
[07:43] <neurre> but i cant change settings
[07:44] <hateball> neurre: if it is a fresh install you should be able to simply wipe broken configs from your user, from a tty
[07:45] <hateball> and then logging in should regenerate them
[07:45] <neurre> how come there are broken configs to begin with?
[07:45] <neurre> i can start terminal for example
[07:45] <tomi> tomi
[07:45] <neurre> i can login again to x no problem
[07:46] <neurre> just every time i start settings, i get out from x
[07:46] <neurre> dmesg shows nouveau errors - i'll install nvidia binary driver and see if that helps
[07:46] <neurre> i suppose it could be x composition related issue
[07:47] <neurre> this is x org session
[07:47] <hateball> neurre: oh I read it as soon as your session starts it crashes
[07:48] <hateball> too early in the day
[07:56] <dingir> what is x composite
[08:03] <neurre> okay
[08:03] <neurre> now with nvidia binary driver..
[08:04] <neurre> settings works
[08:04] <neurre> awesome
[08:20] <ducasse> dingir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_window_manager
[08:29] <JoeLlama> Ubuntu.  It's nice when it just works.
[08:32] <JoeLlama> anyone do IoT?
[08:33] <JoeLlama> IoT under Ubuntu?
[08:36] <JoeLlama> let's talk about ubuntu and IoT or other types of control
[08:36] <JoeLlama> oh ok I have a good one for you guys :) lemme find it
[08:38] <JoeLlama> I think this is the hot tip guys: http://www.rfdigital.com/
[08:38] <JoeLlama> lemme find the videos of their products
[08:40] <JoeLlama> this will take some research (no one is here anyways)
[08:41] <JoeLlama> ok this is the company... these are 5.61 USD each in quantities of one.  It's a distance measurement device up to many feet: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/rf-digital-corporation/RFD77402/1562-1040-1-ND/6589215
[08:42] <ducasse> please stick to support, other stuff goes in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[08:42] <JoeLlama> But here;s what the company really does.  lemme find the videos.
[08:42] <JoeLlama> oh ok ducasse
[08:53] <JoeLlama> I do have an issue but I think it's obscure.  Every time I set up a new OS install, this only happens when I hook up and external monitor...
[08:54] <JoeLlama> when I reboot the system, the login screen is borked but you and see the left part of it.
[08:54] <JoeLlama> if I close the lid and reopen it fixes itself
[08:54] <JoeLlama> any ideas why it's doing that?
[08:59] <JoeLlama> anyone know of a good program to sync the clock up over the internet?
[09:06] <dlnprsl> I have a trouble after update gtk+ in ubuntu 16.04
[09:06] <korab> I have some problem with skype?
[09:06] <korab> I have the latest version of ubuntu and after i install skype 4.3 and i enter username and password it just keeps exiting
[09:15] <hrishikesh_> hi
[09:21] <neurre> what i change gnome color themes with?
[09:24] <dlnprsl> My GUI became plain after updating several package from gnome repository
[09:25] <dlnprsl> I use ubuntu 16.04
[09:26] <dlnprsl> Plain white, even though it only occur in right-click drop down menu, and some other drop down menu
[09:27] <ducasse> dlnprsl: by 'gnome repository', do you mean a ppa or other third-party repo?
[09:28] <dlnprsl> ppa
[09:29] <ducasse> unfortunately those aren't supported here, you would need to talk to the maintainer(s)
[09:30] <dlnprsl> ducasse: what channel is the maintainer?
[09:31] <ducasse> they probably don't have one, look at their web page for contact information
[09:32] <dlnprsl> ducasse: Actually, I still use Unity, but maybe Unity use some of program in gnome repository and I accidentally upgrade all the package
[09:32] <ducasse> very possible, it uses a lot of gnome stuff afaik
[09:33] <|\r> hello, i would like to purge plymouth completely, because i don't need it, however it wants my cryptsetup to get rekt which would make this headless system unbootable. why and how can i achieved the desired goal of mine?
[09:34] <dlnprsl> ducasse: and I use dist-upgrade command, I think that make ubuntu upgrade the package arbitrary
[09:34] <ducasse> dlnprsl: no, dist-upgrade is the correct way to upgrade
[09:35] <ndk> Morning, Im having some issues with an Apple wireless keyboard (UK Layout). I am unable to get the Fn key (bottom left of keyboard) to register at all. xev shows nothing when that key is pressed, nor can i do ´Fn + Arrow´ for home, end, pageup/down
[09:35] <ducasse> |\r: plymouth is only a 'recommends' of cryptsetup, it shouldn't be necessary
[09:36] <|\r> ducasse, cryptsetup package shows it as a dependency
[09:36] <dlnprsl> ducasse: ok, thanks for your answer.
[09:37] <ducasse> |\r: which release is this?
[09:38] <ducasse> ndk: 'fn' keys are usually handled in hardware
[09:38] <|\r> ducasse, 2:1.6.6-5ubuntu2.1 of 16.04
[09:39] <ducasse> |\r: ok, it must have changed - i checked on 17.10
[09:39] <|\r> no, thank you, 17.10 is not an option
[09:40] <ducasse> |\r: as long as it's an actual dependency it needs to be installed
[09:40] <|\r> ducasse, so i really do need this thing to keep my encrypted instance running on a server?
[09:41] <ducasse> yes, it seems so
[09:42] <|\r> but uhm why
[09:43] <pixadm> Hello i am getting hash sum mismatch errors while running "sudo apt update" both via cli and via software updates. Tried changing servers to main still same errors. Using ubuntu16.04 Errors- http://dpaste.com/2NB8QHF
[09:44] <ducasse> |\r: i don't know why cryptsetup depends on plymouth, but it does. forcing it's removal would cause problems with apt.
[09:44] <|\r> should i upgrade to 18.04 to stop depending on plymouth with cryptsetup already?
[09:44] <ducasse> wait for it to be released
[09:45] <|\r> there should be some bug report but i'm missing something and can't find one
[09:46] <|\r> ah here it is
[09:46] <|\r> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/556372
[09:47] <ndk> ducasse: If i remote into Ubuntu from my Macbook Pro, the Fn key on the laptop sends the correct instructions via the remote desktop, which is odd.
[09:48] <ducasse> ndk: interesting. maybe os x has a driver for it, i dunno.
[09:49] <ducasse> |\r: you could file an sru to get the newer cryptsetup with the fix released forr 16.04
[09:49] <ducasse> !sru
[09:49] <ducasse> (or a backport)
[09:51] <ndk> ducasse: It´s certainly possible i guess. Maybe NoMachine is interpreting it differently
[09:53] <ducasse> ndk: it's probably just getting the correct info from the operating system
[10:00] <alex-bender> hey guys
[10:01] <alex-bender> I've been here couple days ago
[10:01] <alex-bender> asked about ^@ keystrokes
[10:01] <alex-bender> in tty1
[10:01] <alex-bender> I didn't check it, but seems that problem described here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/995819/touchpad-gestures-and-holding-keys-does-not-work/995948#995948
[10:12] <ndk> ducasse: I have found a 'fix' of sorts. Simply connecting the keyboard using the USB to Lightning cable appears to restore full functionality. I can live with that :)
[10:16] <ducasse> ndk: ok, good to know :)
[10:21] <toriblack> #join #r/linux
[10:28] <elichai2> hey
[10:28] <elichai2> I have some really weird problems with ubuntu, it didn't boot up and when I tried to fix grub via chroot and reinstall the kernel I got this: paste.ubuntu.com/26499951
[10:29] <elichai2> any ideas what's going on?
[10:32] <Ben64> elichai2: looks like you're running busybox versions of utilities instead of the normal ones
[10:33] <elichai2> why is that? it's live ubuntu whith chroot and binding to proc,sys,dev
[10:33] <Ben64> well you must have done something weird
[10:34] <elichai2> maybe It's beacuse I tried to reinstall initramfs?
[10:34] <Ben64> no
[10:34] <elichai2> how can I fix it?
[10:34] <Ben64> it would really help to know what you did
[10:35] <elichai2> I mostly reinstalled kernels/grub and stuff
[10:37] <elichai2> reinstalled geoclue-2.0, lvm2, and for some weird reason _apt was gone and I had to re add it
[10:41] <elichai2> is it connected to the live or the local enviroment?
[10:42] <Scarecrow> Hi all, I'm looking for help with an issue I'm having with NFS shares specifically on 17.10. Am I in the right place to ask? Apologies if not....
[10:43] <jink> Scarecrow: Ask away, someone here may know.
[10:45] <elichai2> Ben64: any more ideas? :\
[10:47] <Scarecrow> jink: Thanks. I have a link to a serverfault thread with the exact issue that my colleague posted or I can describe here if preferred?
[10:49] <Scarecrow> jink: is it okay to post the link??
[10:50] <ducasse> Scarecrow: post the link if it's a clear overview of the issue with all necessary info
[10:51] <Scarecrow> Great thanks - https://serverfault.com/questions/895023/nfs-on-ubuntu-17-04-works-but-not-on-17-10
[10:56] <adalbert> Hi, does anyone else run ubuntu on a Macbook Pro 2011 ?
[10:56] <ducasse> Scarecrow: can you test whether adding 'insecure' option to /etc/exports helps?
[10:57] <Scarecrow> ducasse: I will try that now and let you know, thanks
[11:00] <Scarecrow> ducasse: I added insecure option and called exportfa -ra after saving. Tried to mount again but still getting access denied by server while mounting
[11:01] <jink> Scarecrow: What do the server logs tell you?
[11:01] <mopdprobe> How to fix systemd is not running daemons in lxd?
[11:03] <Scarecrow> jink: is that the var/log/syslog file? (sorry, newb here!)
[11:04] <elichai2> maybe someone else?
[11:09] <ducasse> Scarecrow: either that or auth.log
[11:18] <Scarecrow> Can't see anything out of the ordinary on the logs. No mention of attempted connections.
[11:19] <learnfast_dieold> #list
[11:20] <mopdprobe> How to have systemd working in lxd?
[11:24] <elichai2> is there a way to "fix" ubuntu? (reinstall without wiping)
[11:33] <mender27> I have an issue with a root btrfs on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. For some reason I cannot move large files to some directories, because I get an Input/output error on reading.
[11:36] <ducasse> mender27: might be worth asking in #btrfs
[11:37] <mender27> ducasse: I never had this problem on other distros, though.
[11:45] <ducasse> mender27: i don't know, i/o errors are usually problems with the filesystem or the underlying device
[11:48] <mender27> ducasse: I exchanged the hard drive to a brand new one exactly for that reason and I get the same error. I wrote on the #btrfs channel. Thanks for help :).
[11:49] <hateball> mender27: are you on 4.4 or 4.13 kernel?
[11:50] <hateball> thinking if it is a kernel bug
[11:51] <mender27> hateball: it was straight after a fresh install
[11:51] <mender27> hateball: my other Ubuntu 16.04 workstations use the 4.14 kernel
[11:54] <mender27> hateball: the kernel is 4.10
[11:56] <ducasse> where did you get that - the mainline ppa?
[11:56] <mender27> ducasse: from the iso I downloaded some time ago.
[11:59] <jimb_> adalbert, I use a mid-2015
[12:00] <ducasse> mender27: try upgrading to linux-generic-hwe-16.04, that's 4.13
[12:00] <adalbert> jimb_: I'm having a problem with my wifi, https://askubuntu.com/questions/994879/macbook-pro-2011early-bcm4331-wifi-not-working-on-kernel-4-4-0-108-and-4-4-0-1
[12:02] <mender27> ducasse: does the 4.13 kernel not have a btrfs bug?
[12:03] <ducasse> mender27: i don't know, it's worth testing
[12:04] <mender27> ducasse: I'm just installing on ext4 now. I cannot trust btrfs to behave properly it seems.
[12:05] <Scarecrow> Just found on my client that nfs-common is "masked" and therefore inactive...I assume I need to resolve this for nfs4 to work?
[12:06] <mender27> ducasse: thanks for help anyway :)
[12:08] <ducasse> Scarecrow: it's masked here as well, yet mounting over nfs works fine
[12:08] <Scarecrow> ducasse: ah barking up the wrong tree there then
[12:09] <Scarecrow> ducasse: are you running 17.10?
[12:09] <ducasse> Scarecrow: only on the client
[12:11] <RgbTrouw> hey guys
[12:11] <RgbTrouw> looking for collaboration with this project https://hackaday.io/project/25963-biometric-firewall
[12:11] <Scarecrow> ducasse: I see, 17.10 is installed on the host. We did this as an update/preventative measure for the recent spectre/meltdown issues
[12:12] <OlofL> Hi can I tell ssh to always use the correspondant keyfile with the username Im trying to connect with?
[12:12] <ducasse> RgbTrouw: wrong channel, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:12] <RgbTrouw> how come
[12:12] <ducasse> RgbTrouw: this channel is for technical support only
[12:13] <jimb_> OlofL, yes. I suggest adding the following line to the "Host *" section of your ~/.ssh/config file
[12:13] <jimb_> IdentitiesOnly yes
[12:13] <MonoMonkey> OlofL: http://nerderati.com/2011/03/17/simplify-your-life-with-an-ssh-config-file/
[12:14] <RgbTrouw> hmm
[12:14] <RgbTrouw> ok if you say so.. it s a pretty cool project though
[12:14] <RgbTrouw> ty
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:15] <jimb_> GM BluesKaj
[12:16] <BluesKaj> 'Morning jimb_
[12:20] <doge-doge> for random steam games, should you install "mesa-vulkan-drivers" if you just have integrated gpu on an i5-7500?
[12:20] <Scarecrow> just tried running rpcinfo -p from the client to the server but it timesout. The portmap service status is active for both server and client.
[12:23] <doge-doge> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/7m1wtd/ubuntu_1804_should_have_mesavulkandrivers/
[12:26] <Nawab> hello
[12:26] <Nawab> how do i write a iso of ubuntu to a usb?
[12:29] <geirha> Nawab: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop  browse down to "Easy ways to switch to Ubuntu" which contains guides on how to do that from different OSes; "How to create a bootable USB stick on <OS>"
[12:30] <Nawab> ok
[12:32] <Nawab> geirha: im on debian
[12:32] <PCatinean> If I did docker logs container and got a big print of logs. But then closed the terminal and lost the ability to execute that command again. There is no way I can view the output in the bash history or anything right?
[12:32] <Nawab> and i tried to dd the 17.10 iso to a usb stick
[12:33] <ducasse> PCatinean: no, that output is not saved anywhere unless you told it to do so
[12:33] <PCatinean> great, so it's gone
[12:35] <Nawab> geirha: can i do anything from the commandline?
[12:35] <ducasse> Nawab: dd should work fine
[12:35] <Nawab> i did dd
[12:36] <Nawab> is the command throough
[12:36] <Nawab> dd bs=2048M if./ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdb1
[12:36] <Nawab> ?
[12:38] <geirha> that requires that you have 2GiB of available memory, you forgot = between if and ./ubuntu.iso, and you need to write to the whole drive, not a partition (to /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1)
[12:39] <Nawab> ok
[12:48] <BluesKaj> hope he unmounts the target drive
[13:22] <calico_> I am getting this message "E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (type)
[13:22] <calico_> " even though I simply used to following, pasted it and saved: https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/txt/artful/synaptic_caf6acc8e6c19654264a3973e749a9a4da7d827e.txt
[13:23] <calico_> Any advice, please!
[13:24] <TJ-> calico_: Yes, split the file up rather than creating 'sections'
[13:25] <calico_> TJ-, I am pretty new to linux, so I am not sure what you mean by that, can you explain
[13:25] <TJ-> calico_: as in, keep just the primary artful repos in /etc/apt/sources.list, move the other sections to new files as in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-updates.list , /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ppa-libreoffice.list , /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.list
[13:26] <TJ-> calico_: apt searches for list files in /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*  - so you can create 1 file per repository source in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and give it a name that describes what it relates to - makes adding/removing repos easy without affecting/upsetting the primary /etc/apt/sources.list installed by the OS
[13:28] <calico_> I see. I will certainly avoid touching again...
[13:29] <calico_> Howver, these are the current contents of the sources.list https://pastebin.com/ZY3xbueM
[13:29] <calico_> and I get this message: E: Type 'deb' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:29] <calico_> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[13:30] <TJ-> What application are you using to edit the file? I'm wondering if you've got UTF-8 byte-order-marks at the start
[13:32] <calico_> TJ-, I use libreoffice, but look at the contents in kate
[13:32] <calico_> https://i.imgur.com/jy6KAth.png seems fine..
[13:33] <TJ-> calico_: show us "pastebinit <( xxd /etc/apt/sources.list )"
[13:34] <cfrunder> #hierrein
[13:35] <calico_> TJ-, https://pastebin.com/TaNq5wJu
[13:36] <TJ-> calico_: Bingo! it starts with UTF-8 BOM:  efbb bf ... You need to edit the file with a plain text editor that doesn't insert BOM
[13:38] <calico_> TJ-, can't see it myself :D but more than happy to do so - how can I use kate to do sudo edits in a regular window, not in the terminal, can't find my way around there...
[13:39] <calico_> I've been doing all my configuration edits with sudo libreoffice and so far it was fine
[13:41] <ioria> calico_, i guess that if you open sources.list with nano or vim you'll find some weird characters here and there
[13:42] <help123> hello. someone can help me? my screen goes black after typing my passphrase
[13:42] <calico_> ioria, https://i.imgur.com/X27Mz5y.png and still doesnt work, same msg
[13:42] <calico_> ghhh
[13:44] <TJ-> calico_: you need to remove that initial (invisible to editors) BOM
[13:47] <calico_> TJ-, what should I use to be able to see it and remove it
[13:48] <TJ-> calico_: "sudo dd if=/etc/apt/sources.list of=/tmp/sources.list iflag=skip_bytes skip=3" then "sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak; sudo mv /tmp/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list"
[13:48] <ioria> calico_, can you paste   file /etc/apt/sources.list   ?
[13:48] <TJ-> calico_: then retry "sudo apt update"
[13:49] <help123> my screen goes black after typing my passphrase. someone can help me?
[13:49] <help123> please
[13:54] <calico_> I opened it with nano and I just went to the first line and pressed backspace... Not sure what really happened, but I saved and it worked............ :)
[13:54] <calico_> Thanks a lot guys!
[13:55] <BluesKaj> uncommented
[13:56] <akik> calico_: it could be compared to editing the windows registry with ms word
[13:57] <calico_> ...now, I was trying to follow this guide and that's how I ended up messing with the sources https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en . Now, that I updated the source list, I get this error message tor : Depends: libevent-2.0-5 (>= 2.0.10-stable) but it is not installable https://pastebin.com/Fx5scx6i
[13:59] <calico_> previously, I installed Tor from Discover and it didn't work - I would open it, the icon would appear on the panel and then disappear. I still had a Tor process when I checked the task manager
[14:02] <calico_> sudo apt install libevent* >>>>>>>>>>>>          libevent-2.1-6 is already the newest version (2.1.8-stable-4).
[14:03] <akik> calico_: you added the ubuntu ppa info and not the debian one?
[14:10] <calico_> akik, on the tor website I selected that I run ubuntu, yes
[14:11] <calico_> however now I noticed that I am on the last version artful 17.10 and  the tor page doesn't have an option for artful
[14:12] <BluesKaj> spend 5bucks/month and use a vpn :-)
[14:13] <akik> calico_: you could also run a debian lxc in ubuntu as a last resort
[14:15] <calico_> Now I tried this - sudo apt install -y torbrowser-launcher and stil get some errors https://pastebin.com/LcW44V6Y
[14:17] <akik> calico_: http://askubuntu.com/a/791965 suggests running "sudo apt install gnome-themes-standard" fixes it
[14:19] <calico_> akik, I just did that, still get the following msg  tor : Depends: libevent-2.0-5 (>= 2.0.10-stable) but it is not installable
[14:19] <calico_> :/
[14:20] <akik> calico_: but your earlier paste shows you were already able to install tor browser?
[14:21] <calico_> akik, I installed it from Discover, but it didn't open
[14:21] <akik> calico_: tor package is a recommended package. i'm not sure you need it unless you want to run a tor relay
[14:21] <calico_> just showed up for a sec in the panel and then disappeared
[14:22] <de-facto> calico_, how about "sudo aptitude why-not  libevent-2.0-5"
[14:22] <akik> calico_: so the adwaita error comes no more but the tor browser only stays open for a second?
[14:22] <TJ-> calico_: libevent-2.0-5 is from 16.04 Xenial. 17.10 Artful has 2.1-6
[14:24] <TJ-> calico_: in other words, tor is 'too old' for 17.10, it depends on a library from 16.04
[14:24] <calico_> de-facto, calico@calico-ThinkPad-T430:~$ sudo apt why-not libevent-2.0-5
[14:24] <calico_> E: Invalid operation why-not
[14:24] <calico_> So, I suppose you guys are on 17.10 and are able to run tor?
[14:26] <TJ-> !info torbrowser-launcher artful | calico_
[14:27] <de-facto> calico_, aptitude, but i guess its not relevant anymore
[14:27] <calico_> Not sure what's going on but Tor shows up in Discover. I cannot open it - same as what I described - it opens real quick and it closes itself. And if I run "apt install tor" I still get the dependancy error
[14:28] <eraserpencil> i wanna ask about playing mp4 video on vlc. I cant seem to do that. something about libvdpau missing, but i have installed the library
[14:28] <aboubacar> hi
[14:29] <calico_> TJ-, when I run it, it gets stuck on Downloading and installing Tor Browser for the first time. It says Instsalling forever
[14:29] <TJ-> calico_: it sounds like the system is in a bit of a confused state
[14:29] <eraserpencil> https://0bin.net/paste/Ql0hBLDyJgH7Xxn0#PxrE3vX1kaTPwRAHSrvLtgioTZb5OubxT21PfXovVEG
[14:32] <akik> calico_: you were able to install torbrowser-launcher. does it close after opening in one second?
[14:32] <apsknight> How can I report Ubuntu 17.10 GUI related bugs ?
[14:33] <deadlyquirk> Hello, I have a problem. my /boot partition is full of old versions of the kernel and when I try to apt-get remove them, I get an error about my current kernel not being able to update. is there a way to force apt to remove these files? https://pastebin.com/33MjnTPA
[14:33] <ducasse> !bug | apsknight
[14:34] <TJ-> deadlyquirk: you've been trying "sudo apt autoremove" ?
[14:35] <calico_> akik, yes, exactly
[14:35] <akik> calico_: does it give you an error message?
[14:36] <calico_> akik, no it just disappears, the cursor starts bouncing, then a tor icon appears and disappears on on the panel in less than a second
[14:42] <akik> calico_: open a terminal and start it from that
[14:43] <calico_> akik, IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/calico/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions'
[14:44] <akik> calico_: ok maybe someone can figure out why that is missing from your installation
[14:44] <akik> calico_: do you have that directory path but just missing the versions file?
[14:46] <calico_> akik, no sources in /home/calico/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/
[14:46] <eraserpencil> would anyone be able to help with my libvdpau issue? Mplayer reports the same, but I have all concerning libvdpau lib installed
[14:46] <akik> calico_: this bug report references that problem: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=888236
[14:47] <akik> calico_: The Tor Browser is still installed under the home directory.  To run it while this issue gets fix, open a shell and execute: ~/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/start-tor-browser
[14:55] <deadlyquirk> TJ: I get a similar error about dependancies not being installed.
[14:55] <calico_> akik, IT WORKS! Thank you so much! So is Tor itself properly installed? Should I bother going through what this poser says "So I tried to create the folder and the file manually and filling the latter
[14:55] <calico_> with the text content from the relative file inside tor-browser-linux64-7.0.11_it.tar.xz
[14:55] <calico_> package. It worked. Now torbrowser updates and launches.
[14:55] <calico_> "                     Or am I 'safe'
[14:56] <akik> calico_: yes do that and then trying to open it normally
[14:56] <TJ-> deadlyquirk: the best way to clear space in /boot/ so apt can work, is to identify the *old* initrd.img-<version> files (which are auto-generated, not shipped in packages) and delete them manually - they usually take up the most space.
[14:57] <deadlyquirk> TJ: Thanks. I'll see if that works.
[14:57] <calico_> akik, I am only unsure of which file precisely am I looking for in the mentioned tar.xz
[14:59] <akik> calico_: it should be named versions
[14:59] <akik> calico_: tar -Jtvf tor.tar.xz | grep versions
[15:05] <bananapie> I ran apt-get dist-upgrade on my ubuntu 16.04 and now it doesn't boot. I use full disk encryption. During boot it is supposed to ask for my password but instead complains that it can't find the root disk
[15:06] <bananapie> if I boot using a ubuntu mate usb stick ( 16.04 ) I can unlock the disk ( udiskctl unlock -b /dev/sda3 )
[15:06] <bananapie> and mount it from /dev/mapper.
[15:06] <calico_> akik, I am stuck here - mv: cannot move '/home/calico/sources/versions' to '/home/calico/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/': Not a directory
[15:07] <bananapie> trouble is when I reboot, it's not working. I feel the issue is probably with initramfs, but I have no idea what to do. I've try some forum posts on the internet and ran initramfs -c -k  from the chroot environment, but still not booting.
[15:07] <akik> calico_: mkdir -p /home/calico/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/
[15:07] <akik> calico_: that'll create all the needed directories
[15:09] <akik> calico_: i thought you said earlier that the directory structure was already in place
[15:09] <deadlyquirk> :q!
[15:09] <calico_> akik, aha! I just deleted the directory that I had created cause I got mv: cannot overwrite directory '/home/calico/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions' with non-directory
[15:09] <calico_> akik, anyway - it works now!!!
[15:09] <bananapie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26501093
[15:09] <akik> calico_: nice
[15:10] <calico_> woohoo akik for president of Ubuntia
[15:10] <calico_> ;) thanks really!
[15:10] <calico_> awesome help
[16:26] <mitmf> how can i install fritzing?
[16:27] <mitmf> that can draw arduino circuit
[16:28] <mitmf> No one know it?
[16:30] <auronandace> mitmf: i'm sure that after waiting 2 whole minutes for an answer you have completely exhausted your sources of information...
[16:30] <mitmf> sudo apt-get install fritzing  <— i installed it like this
[16:31] <mitmf> but fritzing
[16:31] <mitmf> fritzing: command not found
[16:31] <mitmf> what’s wrong?
[16:31] <nacc> mitmf: what version of ubuntu?
[16:32] <mitmf> 16.04lts
[16:32] <mitmf> nacc:
[16:32] <nacc> !info fritzing xenial
[16:32] <leftyfb> mitmf: the command is "Fritzing"
[16:32] <nacc> mitmf: do you have universe enabled?
[16:32] <nacc> oh you couldn't find the command, nm
[16:33] <leftyfb> it's capitalized
[16:33] <nacc> mitmf: `dpkg -L fritzing` helps in such situationns
[16:33] <mitmf> leftyfb: thanks Fritzing is correct
[16:33] <mitmf> :)
[16:33] <mitmf> thanks nacc too
[16:35] <poorUser> Hi people! I have both debian and ubuntu installed, but debian isn't recognized by os-prober, neither after installing libdebian-installer4 packet. Do you know some magic trick to get it recognized by grub?
[16:37] <nicomachus> poorUser: that may be a question for #debian
[16:37] <poorUser> maybe, debian grub recognizes ubuntu :D, the reverse is not true
[16:40] <TJ-> poorUser: that's 'strange' - which Ubuntu release is it ?
[16:41] <cristian_c> kostkon: hello
[16:41] <poorUser> 17.10, debian is under lucks, so it's launched from vm-linux into a /boot partition
[16:42] <poorUser> *luks
[16:42] <skinux> Anyone know why x11vnc shuts down when the client disconnects?
[16:43] <akik> skinux: there's an option to restart it after a client close
[16:44] <akik> skinux: i think it's "-loop"
[16:45] <skinux> Why doesn't it just stay running until shut down.
[16:46] <johnkyblue> Hello, I'm having trouble with an installation, I keep getting squiggly lines, horizontal, but not straight, from left to right they go down.  The machine is an emachines EL 1200 06w, the monitor is a Dell that reports as a full display device.  It doesn't do this until after detecting hardware.
[16:46] <akik> skinux: it's either -loop or -forever. sorry i can't remember which one exactly
[16:49] <skinux> It's loop
[16:49] <skinux> It's really dumb to have to start the server everytime. It's remoting, not necessarily shared workspace.
[16:50] <skinux> I don't know why they'd make it that way by default.
[16:56] <zomaar> I am really saying goodbye to LVM now.
[16:57] <zomaar> The ZFS support for Ubuntu has improved recently, so I think it is a good alternative.
[16:57] <zomaar> Hopefully no more data corruption.
[17:00] <underd0g> test
[17:01] <underd0g> anyone there
[17:02] <bradlyatc> Arby’s, roast beef sale
[17:02] <analogical> what PPA should I add to get the latest version of VLC ?
[17:03] <zomaar> google.com/search?q=ubuntu+vlc+ppa
[17:03] <zomaar> I think
[17:03] <zomaar> :p
[17:04] <analogical> zomaar, there are so many hits it's confusing
[17:04] <zomaar> Someone created a sources.list generator for Ubuntu but I'll have to go find it... :(
[17:05] <zomaar> Oh, https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/, from history
[17:06] <johnkyblue> Hello, I'm having trouble with an installation, I keep getting squiggly lines, horizontal, but not straight, from left to right they go down.  The machine is an emachines EL 1200 06w, the monitor is a Dell that reports as a full display device.  It doesn't do this until after detecting hardware.
[17:07] <mitmf> i can’t remember name of painter of linux?
[17:08] <matthias__> hi /etc/ethers is not read on bootup, but it is working with arp -f. how can i enable it automatically?
[17:09] <mitmf> how cani install gimp?
[17:09] <johnkyblue> @mitmf Tux was created by Larry Ewing in 1996 after an initial suggestion made by Alan Cox[2] and further refined by Linus Torvalds on the Linux kernel mailing list.[3]
[17:09] <matthias__> mitmf: sudo apt install gimp in a terminal
[17:10] <mitmf> thanks
[17:10] <mitmf> :)
[17:10] <Christian-M-NY> hey TJ-
[17:15] <johnkyblue> Where would you go for display help during an ubuntu installation?  Upon detecting my hardware, Ubuntu no longer works.
[17:16] <amd64> johnkyblue: That's an interesting issue! Is this a new issue? Did it happen after an update? Did it happen after installation of a package?
[17:17] <johnkyblue> amd64 Initial installation.  Everything is fine, then it detects hardware and I get crazy squiggly lines.
[17:18] <johnkyblue> I restarted and tried video safe mode, it's equivalent in Ubuntu, and it does a different set of squiggly lines.
[17:19] <reboot_> hi
[17:19] <johnkyblue> It's an Emachines EL 1200 06w
[17:19] <reboot_> anybody around?
[17:19] <amd64> What hardware are you using? (Video card, CPU, preferably)
[17:19] <amd64> reboot_ I'm down for some talk
[17:19] <Christian-M-NY> hey amd64
[17:19] <reboot_> hey, i have got a problem , been trying to find a solution
[17:20] <amd64> Oh hi again Christian-M-NY!
[17:20] <Christian-M-NY> fixed my desktop...it was a dpkg issue....
[17:20] <Christian-M-NY> then I went into Software boutique once I got my desktop up...and clicked "Fix Broken Packages"  and Done!
[17:20] <Christian-M-NY> Ubuntu 16.04 is great!
[17:20] <Christian-M-NY> MATE
[17:20] <johnkyblue> PROCESSOR / CHIPSET CPU AMD Athlon 64 2650e / 1.6 GHz 64-bit Computing Yes Chipset Type NVIDIA GeForce 6150 SE
[17:21] <Christian-M-NY> Then updated all my apps
 Glad to hear it! Good ol' `sudo apt install -f` for ya
[17:21] <Christian-M-NY> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:21] <Christian-M-NY> thats what I typed
[17:21] <amd64> johnkyblue well you are working with some very old hardware. What Ubuntu version are you using?
[17:22] <johnkyblue> the stable one
[17:22] <amd64> Christian-M-NY ah so judging from that a package installation got interrupted and all you had to do was start it back up again
[17:22] <amd64> johnkynlue 14.04?
[17:22] <johnkyblue> probably, if it's the one that said it was long term
[17:23] <reboot_> amd64
[17:23] <amd64> yes reboot_ ?
[17:23] <amd64> johnkyblue did you try removing the graphics card for a temporary solution?
[17:23] <johnkyblue> it's onboard
[17:24] <reboot_> amd64: can you help me with setting up my wifi in ubuntu
[17:24] <amd64> oh yeah haha i knew that johnkyblue X-D
[17:24] <reboot_> nm-tool gives me only wired network, with state unmanaged
[17:24] <amd64> reboot_ I can try! What wifi card/dongle/interafce are you using?
[17:25] <amd64> johnkyblue how much RAM?
[17:25] <johnkyblue> 3 gig
[17:26] <johnkyblue> And you are a champion amd64, thank you
[17:26] <amd64> johnkyblue this is quite the odd set of circumstances. I wish I could help but unfortunately this issue is unkown to me
[17:26] <amd64> johnkyblue I will do my best to help you but I have to take a quick sabbath
[17:26] <reboot_> how do i find that out
[17:27] <johnkyblue> What hardware are you using to make a connection?  Is it a laptop?
[17:28] <johnkyblue> reboot, the wifi hardware is what amd64 asked for
[17:28] <reboot_> yes, its a laptop
[17:28] <johnkyblue> what model?
[17:28] <alu_> hi
[17:28] <reboot_> lenovo z50
[17:30] <johnkyblue> reboot Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3160 - M.2 Card
[17:30] <reboot_> Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3160
[17:31] <alu_> xd
[17:31] <reboot_> its Lenovo z50-70, i got the same on googling
[17:32] <TJ-> johnkyblue: I see a similar report for installing both Ubuntu and Windows 7, from 2013. No solution there but suggestion it could be BIOS related. https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r28618261-eMachines-EL-1200-05W-OS-Update
[17:32] <johnkyblue> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html
[17:34] <TJ-> reboot_: which Ubuntu release is installed ?
[17:34] <TJ-> reboot_: if you've got nm-tool that suggests 14.04, which means the default kernel likely doesn't have support for that WiFi device
[17:35] <reboot_> its 14.04
[17:35] <TJ-> reboot_: OK, and do you have a cable connected so we can at least get the wired network working?
[17:36] <johnkyblue> TJ and amd64, thank you very much
[17:36] <reboot_> why cant i pm
[17:36] <johnkyblue> have a pleasant day, night
[17:36] <reboot_> no, its not connected TJ
[17:37] <TJ-> reboot_: I'd recommend that as your first step since usually it's easier to get wired devices working
[17:37] <reboot_> release is 13.04, sorry
[17:37] <TJ-> reboot_: It's likely for the Wifi the PC will need to upgrade to a later kernel version, which needs the network to fetch the packages of course
[17:38] <TJ-> reboot_: ouch! 13.04 is no longer supported. So yes, you need to get the wired network working first in order to upgrade to a supported version.
[17:38] <reboot_> ouch, no way i can get it wired rn
[17:39] <TJ-> reboot_: I'd recommend getting a 16.04 Xenial installer ISO put on a USB flash device and booting with that to see if it gives you network, from where you can then upgrade the installed OS
[17:41] <reboot_> okay, i think i will have to do it that way then, thank
[17:41] <reboot_> thanks
[17:42] <jim_wyatt> reboot_: I have a similar situation on my desktop with an external wifi dongle...I tether to my phone to install the driver package
[17:42] <jim_wyatt> supposed to be automatic with dkms but I have to do this every time I get a kernel upgrade
[17:42] <reboot_> how do you pm in here?
[17:43] <reboot_> jim, but how do you tether? usb?  usb tethering isnt working either
[17:43] <jim_wyatt> I do either usb or bluetooth...I'm surprised the usb tether stuff doesn't work, it's pretty old
[17:43] <SimonNL> setting in phone
[17:44] <jim_wyatt> depending on your provider you might need permissions on their side to tether as well
[17:44] <jim_wyatt> verizon used to charge an extra $10/mo, but I don't think they do any more
[18:09] <jk^> hi all, if i don't check "Install third-part software (Flash, Wi-fi, MP3 codec ecc.)" during lubuntu's installation, after, where can i find this option if i need to install them later?
[18:09] <nicomachus> jk^: you can just uncomment the restricted extras repo in the sources.list file
[18:10] <sravan> jk: you can install it through synaptic package manager
[18:11] <sravan> jk:for WiFi, go to 'additional drivers', there you can find wireless drivers for WiFi
[18:22] <jk^> sravan, nicomachus i don't understand :| in synaptic there isn't any button which tells me to install thrd-part softwtare :|
[18:26] <jk^> In "Software and updates" There are "MAIN" "UNIVERSE", "RESTRICTED" and "MULTIVERSE" all checked, but during ubuntu installation, i check only "Download update" and NOT "Download third-part softaware (Such as, flash, mp3, wi-fi ec..)
[18:26] <jk^> https://www.poftut.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/img_598a8c7bba361.png
[18:26] <jk^> have i to check both or just the first one?
[18:27] <ioria> ! info lubuntu-restricted-extras | jk^
[18:27] <ioria> !info lubuntu-restricted-extras | jk^
[18:27] <ash_work> where can I ask questions about the tree command?
[18:28] <nacc> ash_work: i guess you can ask here
[18:28] <nacc> ash_work: i mean it depends on the question :)
[18:28] <ash_work> is there a way to ignore everything under a directory?
[18:29] <nacc> ash_work: -I
[18:29] <ash_work> like -I 'Middleware' will ignore the Middleware dir, but I want to list the Middleware dir, I just dont what to list any children of it
[18:30] <nacc> ash_work: -I Middleware/* ?
[18:30] <ash_work> nacc: that didn't work for me
[18:30] <ioria> maxdept
[18:31] <ash_work> ioria: too specific... it's just directories I want to know exist but don't want to list
[18:32] <nicomachus> you can do a more complicated sort with grep and the --dirsfirst or something like that
[18:32] <nicomachus> or -d will list directories only
[18:33] <ash_work> nicomachus: I don't want only directories, nor child dirs of Middleware (for example)
[18:33] <ash_work> maybe the grep is an idea
[18:33] <nicomachus> ash_work: it sounds like you're going to have to some more scripting than just 'tree' with options, then
[18:34] <ash_work> or sed probably
[18:34] <xaeB5> is it possible to not display the open applications names in the lubuntu panel? in lxqt you can set it to be icon only, rather than name and icon
[18:35] <ash_work> too hard for my brain :P
[18:36] <Jordan_U> TJ-: The broadcom situation is a little, odd. IIRC (and i might not completely) the firmware can't be distributed separately from Broadcom's proprietary driver. So the firmware-installer-b43 depends on packages to extract the firmware from the windows driver, then downloads the windows driver, then extracts the firmware. At the same time, Broadcom has a proprietary linux driver with firmware baked into
[18:36] <Jordan_U> it, which is shipped on the iso but not installed by default (unless you select the option for proprietary software?). I have had better luck with the open drivers and firmware extraction than with the proprietary drivers, but I think that JoeLlama was probably using the proprietary drivers when they installed Ubuntu.
[18:39] <TJ-> Jordan_U: hmmm, which might explain how the user got the BDCM device working from the ubuntu installer (accepted 3rd party bits) but didn't do that for xubuntu, I guess
[18:45] <elichai2> why ubuntu's installer makes me check the format button on an encrypted partition? I want to reinstall the system
[18:45] <schultza> I'm having problems with firefox and java (oracle) not being able to be used.
[18:46] <nacc> schultza: oracle java is not an ubuntu package
[18:46] <TJ-> elichai2: I'd suspect because the installer has no mechanism for asking for the existing key for that partition
[18:48] <elichai2> TJ-: it asked me the key to the luks and openned the mapper
[18:48] <schultza> nevermind
[18:49] <jkdr_> Each time I run the following script manually, after X is already running, it seems to work with roscore running properly, but when I run the script during boot sequence, X autologin/startup, it doesn't work.
[18:49] <TJ-> elichai2: it did? oh, that's progress then! in which case, when you've got the unencrypted /dev/mapper/<node> selected is it forcing you to choose to format it?
[18:49] <jkdr_> I am trying to change the script to no longer use the commented out part relying on gnome-terminal to a script that does not show any gui windows
[18:50] <nacc> jkdr_: you didn't provide a link to the script?
[18:50] <jkdr_> In my testing last couple days, I haven't been able to figure out why `roscore` isn't running at all, or doesn't appear in output of `ps aux`
[18:51] <elichai2> TJ-: yes, it forces me to format /dev/mapper/... I think it even wiped it without asking me let me check
[18:51] <jkdr_> https://i.imgur.com/PKkyzaH.png shows that both instances of xeyes in script https://pastebin.com/raw/6erykK2k before and after roscore are executing, however still I have yet to figure out what is happening with roscore, and why it doesn't show up in `ps aux` or what is causing it to not execute, and also why when I try to pipe output to a file in /tmp/ the files are created, but 0 bytes, so I can't see any debug output.
[18:51] <elichai2> TJ-: yeah, i'll need to dd back. it wiped it clean.
[18:52] <jkdr_> I presume that roscore is being attempted to run, but maybe the $PATH isn't seen, but even so, I haven't been able to figure out if this is the case or not when I change the script to `roscore &> /tmp/debug` for example
[18:52] <nacc> jkdr_: &> isn't what you want
[18:53] <nacc> jkdr_: you want roscore >/tmp/debug &
[18:53] <jkdr_> I've been using `roscore &> /tmp/debug &`
[18:53] <nacc> you want that even less
[18:53] <nacc> afaict
[18:53] <nacc> jkdr_: `man bash`, search for \&>
[18:53] <nacc> jkdr_: and you will see why
[18:54] <nacc> jkdr_: well, maybe you do, i'm not sure
[18:54] <TJ-> elichai2: why are you reinstalling over the top? If I understand your issue correctly from your comments in ##linux you simply wanted to switch the boot mode from BIOS to EFI, correct?
[18:55] <nacc> jkdr_: does roscore normally output anything to the console?
[18:55] <nacc> jkdr_: also, why not use an absolute path to roscore if you're worried about the PATH? how are you starting it at boot?
[18:55] <elichai2> no, My system didn't boot and when I tried fixing it via chroot I ran into this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26499951/
[18:56] <elichai2> the UEFI is only a fraction
[18:58] <TJ-> elichai2: well, in your pastebin the reason for the failure is it's using the busybox shell rather than bash, and busybox's 'sort' doesn't support the '--unique' option which the package scripts expect
[18:58] <jkdr_> Trying wih just > instead of &>, restarting, waiting for autologin for X, and ... again /tmp/roscore is created, but 0 bytes of data.  When I manually run roscore from a terminal, I see output.  When I try `roscore > /tmp/roscore` manually, again /tmp/roscore is created, but 0 bytes of data, though, I see that after I finally terminate roscore (^C), then /tmp/roscore is filled with data.  However, this is from manually running it. In
[18:58] <jkdr_> autologin/autostart script, `ps aux|grep roscore` shows roscore isn't even running from the script as it is expected to be
[18:59] <elichai2> TJ-: any ideas why it would do that? because of that really I wanted to reinstall
[19:00] <TJ-> elichai2: well generally I'd start the chroot with "sudo chroot /target /bin/bash" - can't say why it'd be running busybox unless that was symlinked for /bin/basg or /bin/sh inside the chroot
[19:00] <nacc> jkdr_: does perhaps roscoe die sillently when it does not connect to X?
[19:00] <jkdr_> nacc: Good point about using absolute path.  Checking now
[19:01] <nacc> jkdr_: or when it does't have a controlling tty
[19:01] <jkdr_> Still not running, so it is not or not only a PATH issue
[19:01] <elichai2> TJ-: doesn't sound right, it worked couple of times before that error, and it's a live usb.  any other things? i'm trying to think if it's even worth the dd back again
[19:02] <jkdr_> How can I manually check if a controlling tty is required?
[19:02] <elichai2> (after ubuntu installer wiped the partition)
[19:02] <nacc> jkdr_: not sure
[19:02] <TJ-> elichai2: All I can see (in that pastebin) shows the frequent errors are due to the shell being busybox; fix that, and it'd work
[19:03] <jkdr_> e.g. how can I run a shell script without using a tty?
[19:03] <TJ-> jkdr_: wrap it with 'script' e.g. "script /tmp/command.log "mycommand arg1 arg2"  "
[19:03] <TJ-> jkdr_: oops, missed the -c for command! "script /tmp/command.log -c "mycommand arg1 arg2"  "
[19:05] <elichai2> TJ-: the question is if you have any other ideas if the `sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash` won't work
[19:05] <jkdr_> nacc, Running `script /tmp/roscore -c "roscore"` and in another terminal `ps aux|grep roscore` shows that it is running
[19:07] <TJ-> elichai2: I'd check what /target/bin/bash actually is, e.g. a symlink or the real bash, and if not the real bash, I'd fix that first
[19:07] <elichai2> ok, i'll start the dd, be back in 30min :)
[19:07] <TJ-> elichai2: I have to go now, dinner. Hope you get it sorted.
[19:07] <elichai2> thanks
[19:28] <zomaar> Does anyone know if ZFS has a persistent read cache?
[19:28] <zomaar> Or is the L2ARC always wiped on boot?
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> !zfs | zomaar
[19:38] <energizer> In 17.10 with gnome I want a single shortcut for: If window is maximized, restore. Else if window is restored, minimize. Is this possible?
[19:40] <Ben64> energizer: what do you mean by shortcut
[19:41] <energizer> Ben64: keyboard shortcut
[19:41] <Ben64> you might be able to make a script for that
[19:42] <energizer> ok
[19:42] <energizer> Looks like there's a #gnome, maybe they know a prebaked way
[19:42] <Ben64> it's probably not something someone has ever wanted
[19:42] <energizer> I used to do it in 16.04 with compiz
[19:43] <energizer> in fact i thought it was default but maybe not
[19:52] <calico_> How can install the default desktop environment on Kubuntu?
[19:52] <elichai2> TJ-: when you finish dinner chroot /mnt /bin/bash still gives me busybox stuff :\, thanks!
[19:57] <hggdh> calico_: I do not understand your question. On kubuntu, the default desktop is KDE, and is installed by, ah, default
[19:57] <hggdh> calico_: or do you want a *different* DE?
[19:59] <calico_> hggdh, yeah, I guess I meant to say the default UBUNTU DE on Kubuntu, I want to compare. I like KDE a lot, but every now and then something weird happens from a unresponsive browser down to full system freeze...
[19:59] <hggdh> calico_: sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop
[20:00] <hggdh> calico_:
[20:00] <TJ-> elichai2: do "file /mnt/bin/bash" - what does it report? I see "#/bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), ..."
[20:00] <zomaar> !info zfsutils
[20:00] <zomaar> !info zfslinux
[20:01] <zomaar> !info zfsutils-linux
[20:01] <calico_> hggdh, how safely would you I say I would be able to ditch one of these DE's, should I expect issues :)
[20:01] <elichai2> TJ-: yeah I see the same ELF 64 bit LSB.... synamically linked
[20:02] <hggdh> calico_: I do not expect issues. I myself have KDE & Ubuntu desktop installed
[20:03] <calico_> hggdh, awesome. Proceeding.
[20:04] <hggdh> calico_: now, removing one of them will be an exercise in patience and reading. the (kubuntu|dpalma|ubuntu)-desktop are metapackages. They only have dependencies. To remove one of them, you will have to look at all the dependencies, and find out which are safe to remove
[20:04] <akik> calico_: there was an dependency problem in 16.04 kubuntu if you tried to install ubuntu-desktop, but i don't know if it's fixed
[20:04] <calico_> hggdh, do you experience similar issues with KDE? Also my meta key shortcuts randomly work or don't work, which could be quite unpleasant..
[20:04] <elichai2> TJ-: wait, if I call `sort --unique` it works,  the error only happens inside apt
[20:05] <Guest94515> hi. i installed ubuntu in a hp EliteBook800 and no boot. please help
[20:05] <hggdh> calico_: nowadays I am concentrating on the new gnome DE; I rarely use KDE (this will probably change in the future, but now is what we need)
[20:06] <Jordan_U> Guest94515: Please boot from an Ubuntu LiveUSB and pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr" and "sudo efibootmgr -v". (Unfotunately I need to leave in about 5 minutes).
[20:07] <Jordan_U> Guest94515: Also, what exactly happens when you try to boot Ubuntu?
[20:07] <akik> calico_: according to this bug report it hasn't been fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/account-plugins/+bug/1574045
[20:08] <akik> calico_: but there's a command to fix it at the end
[20:10] <Guest94515> Jordan_U i can boot it  from boot options / boot from EFI File but i need to leave it booting normally
 Do you have windows installed?
[20:11] <Jordan_U> Guest94515: OK. Please boot from the EFI image then pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr" and "sudo efibootmgr -v".
[20:11] <Guest94515> amd64 no i recently installed ubuntu 16.04 64 bits
[20:12] <calico_> akik, thanks, I bookmarked that.
[20:12] <calico_> I am done installing it, rebooted, my login screen was gnome but once I logged on I am back on KDE
 So is ubuntu the only system on the laptop?
[20:12] <calico_> How should I switch
[20:12] <akik> calico_: there's a button in the login screen to choose the desktop
[20:13] <TJ-> elichai2: so, something in the apt scripts is being executed using busybox... check for symlinks to it I guess
[20:13] <amd64> calico_ there should be a button in the top right corner
[20:13] <calico_> I seee, thanks, let me log out
[20:13] <akik> calico_: ok it must've been fixed if you didn't get dependency errors installing ubuntu-desktop
[20:14] <TJ-> elichai2: from your original pastebin, it kicks off on line 17 when run-parts is calling kernel/postinst.d/ scripts
[20:15] <Guest94515> Jordan_U i boot from EFIfile then choose EFI ,Ubuntu, shimx64.efi
[20:15] <TJ-> elichai2: most of those files declare a shebang for /bin/sh, so check what it actually is: "readlink -e  /bin/sh"
[20:16] <calico_> Can't find such an option on the lock screen ;/
[20:17] <elichai2> TJ-: ok so weirdly readlink *is* busybox :O
[20:18] <TJ-> elichai2: Bingo!
[20:18] <TJ-> elichai2: OK, so that should be /bin/dash ... try fixing that
[20:18] <TJ-> elichai2: check there's a valid /bin/dash first, then change the symlink
[20:20] <elichai2> I have a /bin/dash ELF LSB shared object
[20:21] <Guest94515> amd64 yes it is
[20:21] <TJ-> elichai2: make sure it runs, "/bin/dash" then "exit" if it does, then "ln -sf /bin/dash /bin/sh"
[20:21] <TJ-> elichai2: inside the chroot of course
[20:22] <elichai2> yep it runs
[20:22] <elichai2> yesss current /bin/sh is busybox too
[20:22] <elichai2> i'll ln now
[20:23] <TJ-> elichai2: I'd love to know what changed that!
[20:23] <elichai2> ok the /bin/sh is fixed, but readlink is still busybox
[20:23] <elichai2> me too!
[20:23] <Guest94515> Jordan_U https://pastebin.com/mnrRG7YG
[20:23] <TJ-> elichai2: maybe you've been running some recovery script/tool on it at some point?
[20:24] <TJ-> elichai2: anyhow, you should be able to get on with fixing things now
[20:24] <elichai2> nope, only uninstalling and reinstalling packages, and I did ran boot-repair
 do you access to the system right now?
[20:24] <elichai2> I still get busybox errors inside apt for tons of tools
[20:25] <elichai2> wait whattt, even outside, cp is busybox
[20:25] <elichai2> ln is busybox too :(
[20:26] <TJ-> elichai2: what is currently running, the Ubuntu LiveISO in Try Ubuntu mode?
[20:26] <Guest94515> amd64 yes  i boot from boot options, booting from EFI file then i choose EFI, then ubuntu then shimx64.efi
[20:27] <elichai2> TJ-: yeah, 16.04
 but you are logged in right now?
[20:27] <TJ-> elichai2: and the current shell is busybox?
[20:27] <TJ-> elichai2: outside the chroot that is?
[20:27] <Guest94515> yes
[20:28] <Guest94515> amd64 yes i'm logged in
[20:28] <elichai2> TJ-: outside chroot everything is fine, cp/ln are all normal
[20:28] <elichai2> and inside chroot I think the shell isn't busybox but the tools are, but i'm not sure I know the diffrence
[20:29] <TJ-> elichai2: Oh, OK, phew! so something has run inside the chroot /mnt/ that has replaced all the common tools with busybox.
 try running `sudo update-grub` without the ticks (`) of course
[20:29] <elichai2> TJ-: yes
[20:30] <Guest94515> i'll try now. wait a minute, please
[20:30] <TJ-> elichai2: inside the chroot - if it works - try "apt list --installed busybox*"
[20:31] <TJ-> elichai2: if you see "busybox/xenial 1:1.22.0-15ubuntu1 amd64 [installed]" then that explains it
[20:31] <Guest94515> amd64 ok
[20:31] <amd64> haha TJ- i got tagged lol
[20:32] <elichai2> TJ-: returns empty
[20:33] <elichai2> when I ran `dpkg -l | grep busybox` I got `busybox-initramfs and busybox-static`, but i'm pretty sure it got nothing to do with this
[20:33] <Guest94515> amd64 it  shows me adding bootmenu entry for EFI firmware configuration-hecho
[20:33] <Guest94515> amd64 now what?
[20:33] <calico__> Can I turn off the touchpad reverse scrolling on 17.10?
[20:34] <calico__> on 17.10?
[20:34] <TJ-> elichai2: hmmm. Some of the busybox packages will install symlinks/alternates for core tools like ln,cp,sort etc, which is what you need to identify and remove
[20:34] <Guest94515> amd64 should i reboot?
 is the operation finished?
[20:34] <Guest94515> yes
[20:35] <Guest94515> amd64 yes
 try a reboot and lets see if it got fixed
[20:35] <Guest94515> ok now trying
[20:37] <Guest94515> amd64 no. it's the same
 hmm what system did you say?
[20:38] <elichai2> TJ-: the cp is ELF LSB exec, not a symlink, I think busybox uses builtins
[20:38] <Guest94515> it's a HP Elitebook
[20:38] <Guest94515> amd64 is a HP EliteBook
[20:38] <amd64> yeah i heard you
[20:39] <Guest94515> amd64 ok
[20:39] <amd64> what model number?
[20:39] <amd64> eg. HP EliteBook 1040 G2
 what model number??
[20:40] <Guest94515> amd64 let me see. Elitebook 8470p
[20:40] <amd64> thank you
 I have no idea how to solve the issue but I can recommend an alternative
[20:41] <amd64> for the time being
[20:42] <Guest94515> amd64 recomend me, please
[20:42] <amd64> rEFInd
[20:42] <TJ-> elichai2: ahh, but sort and ln were sylinked?
[20:43] <TJ-> elichai2: I'm playing in a 16.04 container trying to reproduce the symlinks but not found a way so far, with either "busybox" or "busybox-static" packages
[20:43] <Guest94515> amd64 i dont understand
[20:44] <amd64> rEFInd is an alternative boot manager that is well known for it's ease of use
[20:44] <amd64> I'm finding you install instructions
[20:44] <elichai2> TJ-: no, there were no symlinks
[20:45] <amd64> Do these steps in this order:
[20:45] <amd64> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:rodsmith/refind
[20:45] <amd64> sudo apt update
[20:45] <amd64> sudo apt install refind
[20:45] <amd64> answer all prompts yes
[20:45] <TJ-> elichai2: Hmm, so how were the other busybox applets being called once you'd fixed /bin/sh -> /bin/dash ?
[20:45] <oerheks> !info refind
[20:45] <oerheks> no need for a ppa
[20:45] <amd64> ubottu is so helpful guys
[20:46] <Guest94515> i was reading it is a problem with the notebook BIOS . but i dont know how to change the default EFI file to boot
[20:46] <amd64> ah that adds a new perspective
[20:46] <rodsmith> rEFInd 0.10.4 is rather old. The current version is 0.11.2.
[20:47] <elichai2> TJ-: idk, I fixed and made /bin/sh point to /bin/dash but nothing changed with the tools
[20:47] <TJ-> elichai2: did you exit the chroot and re-enter ?
[20:47] <elichai2> btw the last thing in /var/log/apt/history.log that worked was purging geoclue-2.0
[20:47] <rodsmith> See http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/revisions.html for the rEFInd changelog.
[20:47] <amd64> rodsmith himself, eh?
[20:47] <TJ-> elichai2: because bash would /hash/ the readlink path and still be using busybox for sh
[20:48] <elichai2> TJ-: hmm no, should I still run it with chroot /mnt /bin/bash?
[20:48] <rodsmith> Yep. I got pinged when you mentioned my PPA. ;)
[20:48] <TJ-> elichai2: or you could have done "hash -r" to clear all bash's saved hashed commands
[20:48] <amd64> well thank you for your work rodsmith
[20:48] <rodsmith> You're welcome.
[20:49] <TJ-> elichai2: to speed up finding executables in the PATH, bash keeps a hash of the command, and doesn't look for it again if it's in the hash table. So after changing the /bin/sh sylink you'd have to clear the hash table or exit and re-enter
[20:50] <elichai2> ok I ran hash -r and tried to leave and re enter and still cp and ln and other tools I guess are busybox
[20:51] <TJ-> elichai2: is that when running apt only ?
[20:51] <elichai2> no
 try using this link to reset your BIOS to factory settings https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c01443463
[20:53] <TJ-> elichai2: is the running shell inside the chroot really bash? "echo $SHELL" if so, check the symlink has really changed: "ls -l /bin/sh"
[20:54] <elichai2> yeah $SHELL is /bin/bash, and /bin/sh is still bin/dash
[20:54] <elichai2> */bin/dash
[20:55] <Guest94515> amd64 i tried. But it drives me the same way
[20:55] <TJ-> elichai2: the shebang in /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal is "#!/bin/sh" so that's what will be called
[20:55] <amd64> have you tried a hard-reset of the laptop?
[20:55] <TJ-> elichai2: in the chroot what does "cat /etc/issue" report?
[20:56] <elichai2> Ubuntu 16.04.03 LTS \n \l
[20:58] <TJ-> elichai2: OK, can you run the script manually? "/bin/dash /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal"
[20:58] <Guest94515> Jordan_U Gone?
[20:59] <elichai2> TJ-: it runs fine
[20:59] <TJ-> elichai2: OK, now try with sh: "/bin/sh /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal"
[21:00] <elichai2> same, and even just running it without any specific shell
[21:00] <TJ-> elichai2: right, so now lets work backwards to run-parts. What does "which run-parts" report ?
[21:01] <elichai2>  /bin/run-parts
[21:01] <TJ-> elichai2: OK, and check what's there with "file /bin/run-parts". I see "/bin/run-parts: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64 ..."
[21:01] <elichai2> same
[21:02] <TJ-> elichai2: OK, now "apt-get -f install"
[21:02] <TJ-> elichai2: if it throws an error please pastebin it again, in case it's a different set of errors this time
[21:03] <elichai2> paste.ubuntu.com/26502462
[21:04] <calico_> I managed to log in to Gnome. The animations are pretty laggy and choppy though, is there a way to fix this?
[21:05] <BSabo>  I have a window which contents are not being refreshed. that is, if I move the window or I minimize and then maximize it, the contents are refreshed. otherwise, they're frozen. is there a way to send a "refresh" signal to a Window? (ubuntu 17.10 here with dash)
[21:05] <BSabo> if I just move the window a little bit and release it, the contents are refreshed
[21:05] <BSabo> otherwise it's stuck forever
[21:08] <nacc> BSabo: ^L means redraw in some applicatios
[21:08] <nacc> BSabo: is it a terminal?
[21:09] <TJ-> elichai2: interesting! the failure has moved to the update-initramfs stage now
[21:10] <elichai2> yeah, btw I can see I have /bin/busybox, But I don't know what package installed it
[21:10] <arooni> question;  where is it on logs i'd look to see why my ssh attempt is being rejected with connection refused?  ive already checked /var/log/auth.log /var/log/syslog /var/log/fail2ban.log ... ideas?
[21:11] <TJ-> elichai2: "dpkg -S /bin/busybox"
[21:11] <elichai2> busybox-static :O
[21:11] <elichai2> but is it for initramfs?
[21:12] <elichai2> I have another normal ubuntu laptop and it too has busybox-static and /bin/busybox
[21:12] <TJ-> elichai2: no, that's for /bin/static-sh; there's busybox-initramfs for that
[21:12] <BSabo> nacc, no
[21:12] <BSabo> it's a Window
[21:13] <TJ-> elichai2: check the shebangs for all those scripts, they should all be /bin/sh: "head -1 /etc/kernel/postinst.d/* /usr/sbin/update-initramfs"
[21:13] <BSabo> (it's actually anbox, so inside it I think it's a GL graphical interface, using the mesa API)
[21:13] <elichai2> initramfs-tools is #!/bin/sh -e
[21:13] <zomaar> Maybe this is offtopic but can a Windows 10 that is BIOS booted use GPT for a secondary disk?
[21:14] <nacc> zomaar: totally offtopic :)
[21:14] <nacc> arooni: you're checkig the server?
[21:14] <nacc> arooni: if not do that or use -vvv on the client
[21:14] <amd64> GPT is bios compatible
[21:14] <TJ-> elichai2: there's something /REALLY/ messed-up in that install
[21:14] <zomaar> But but but I will use Linux tools to do the partitioning ;-).
[21:14] <zomaar> Oh okay
[21:15] <TJ-> elichai2: is it possible something is changing the /bin/sh symlink back to /bin/busybox ?
[21:15] <amd64> zoomar take your question to #windows lol
[21:15] <zomaar> Is it safe there?
[21:15] <elichai2> not that I know of, even inside /bin/dash ls and stuff are busybox
[21:16] <elichai2> is it possible to reinstall coreutil without using coreutils?
[21:16] <elichai2> maybe that way I can override all these files
[21:16] <TJ-> elichai2: it's possible dash has been actually replaced with busybox, check the hash: "md5sum /bin/dash" -> "e02ea3c3450d44126c46d658fa9e654c  /bin/dash"
[21:17] <elichai2> same hash
[21:18] <TJ-> elichai2: is PATH set correctly? "echo $PATH" -> "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/snap/bin"
[21:19] <elichai2> yeah
[21:20] <calico_> Well... Came back to say that KDE is pretty friggin awesome compared to the default Ubuntu DE... ;P
[21:20] <lordcirth_work> calico_, I've had it crash a lot, ended up reinstalling with Xubuntu.  It's shiny, though.
[21:20] <TJ-> elichai2: it's almost as if subshells are calling busybox
[21:20] <elichai2> or maybe the coreutils themselves are busybox somehow
[21:21] <TJ-> elichai2: try some of the initrd gens manually: "update-initramfs -u -k 4.4.0-109-generic"
[21:22] <calico_> lordcirth_work, so far I've been using Xfce on my Chromebook as well...  Always liked KDE since I first tried out linux back in 2005 probably. FINALLY I've got a computer that plays nicely with linux... Really hope that KDE will not drive me nuts...
[21:22] <elichai2> TJ-: paste.ubuntu.com/26502519
[21:22] <calico_> Xfce is pretty sufficient for me as well. But I wanna feel like I have a COOL laptop, for once :D
[21:23] <funyun> hi. everytime i reboot ubuntu, the file /etc/resolv.conf changes my nameserver from 8.8.8.8 to an ip that breaks apps. is there a way i can set it to not change after reboot?
[21:23] <TJ-> elichai2: is there a separate /boot/ file-system ?
[21:24] <calico_> lordcirth_work, any tips on how to minimize such malperformance in KDE?
[21:24] <leftyfb> funyun: change the dns server your router gives out. Or change the DNS server in your network settings (Network Manager if using default ubuntu)
[21:24] <TJ-> elichai2: is it mounted inside the chroot? if not, do "mount -a" to automount everything listed in /etc/fstab as 'auto'
[21:24] <elichai2> ohh you're right I forgot to mount it, and technically I even wipped the /boot/ clean :|
[21:24] <lordcirth_work> calico_, not really, patches helped over time but I still switched
[21:24] <TJ-> elichai2: ^^^ "mount -a" then do "update-initramfs -c -k 4.4.0-109-generic"
[21:27] <elichai2> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26502533/
[21:27] <elichai2> the /boot is pretty empty right now
[21:28] <TJ-> elichai2: cpio error is also busybox; you've got something majorly broken there and it's hard to figure out what it is remotely
[21:28] <elichai2> (tried to move to uefi when all this happened)
[21:29] <elichai2> I might have fixed it omg
[21:30] <TJ-> elichai2: someone else caused the same problem, with 14.04, trying to recover a non-booting system: https://askubuntu.com/questions/691735/error-with-update-initramfs
[21:30] <calico_> lordcirth_work, it's a shame really - linux has always been so buggy in my experience and I have been eyeing it for at least 10 years now, waiting for a good time to switch. Finally, I decided to pull the trigger for good, but it seems to me that it is not there juuust yet :(
[21:31] <elichai2> TJ-: I downloaded the coreutils deb and ran `dpkg -i` and then `dpkg-reconfigure` now I don't see any more busybox errors
[21:31] <elichai2> only other errors lol
[21:31] <TJ-> elichai2: so some /were/ replaced by busybox symlinks then
[21:32] <elichai2> I guess so
[21:32] <Blueking> hmm what command to check if an app are running on ubuntu ?
[21:33] <lordcirth_work> calico_, in my experience it's only the bulky graphical stuff that's buggy.
[21:33] <stormy_daniels> My laptop isn't booting. Getting kernel panic
[21:33] <lordcirth_work> Blueking, like to see if a process is running?  You can do 'ps aux | grep processname'
[21:33] <elichai2> TJ-: paste.ubuntu.com/26502546
[21:33] <elichai2> maybe you can help me with the new errors :)
[21:34] <elichai2> I think this is because I wiped the boot partition
[21:34] <TJ-> elichai2:  "depmod: FATAL: could not load /boot/System.map-4.4.0-109-generic: No such file or directory" means you need to install linux-image-4.4.0-109-generic
[21:35] <TJ-> elichai2: yes, use "apt --reinstall install linux-image-4.4.0-109-generic"
[21:36] <TJ-> elichai2: also, looks like you need to --reinstall cpio too, or use download+dpkg -i on it
[21:36] <stormy_daniels> Kernel panic - not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root on unknown-block(0.0)
[21:37] <TJ-> elichai2: ok, actually, that last pastebin was to remove the package not install it :D So you should be able to "dpkg --remove linux-image-4.4.0-109-generic"
[21:37] <stormy_daniels> Any help?
[21:38] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: try rebooting, hitting Escape to get to the GRUB boot menu, choose the Advanced > sub-menu, and choose an older kernel (any entry from #4 onwards I'd expect)
[21:40] <stormy_daniels> K.
[21:41] <stormy_daniels> That seemed to do it. Thanks
[21:42] <elichai2> TJ-: yeah thanks, I need to reinstall kernels too, and write the fstab again (don't really remember how luks is written inside fstab but i'll google it)
[21:42] <elichai2> thank you :)
[21:42] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: now that's booted you need to fix the problem
[21:42] <TJ-> elichai2: it isn't in fstab, it's in /etc/crypttab
[21:43] <stormy_daniels> Why the hell am I getting bad kernels? Oh wait Intel messed stuff up
[21:43] <stormy_daniels> TJ-: how do I remove those kernels?
[21:44] <TJ-> elichai2: /etc/cryptab wants something like "LUKS_OS   UUID=f7175e39-2594-4cb9-b842-de2e1c208f61 none luks,discard"
[21:44] <elichai2> ohhh rightt so why all the errors from cryptsetup about no root?
[21:44] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: I'd guess from your description the initrd.img file was not created correctly. Can you show us "pastebinit <( apt list linux-image-* --installed )"
[21:45] <TJ-> elichai2: because you'd not have /dev/mapper/LUKS_OS in /etc/fstab (from my example)
[21:45] <JoeLlama> What is "presentation mode?"
[21:45] <TJ-> elichai2: and if your /boot/ is encrypted too, then that also needs matching entries in crypttab and fstab
[21:46] <TJ-> JoeLlama: I /think/ it means the display won't go to sleep - for when you're watching a movie, or driving a projector
[21:46] <JoeLlama> ah ok ok
[21:46] <elichai2> pretty sure you can't have encrypted /boot, but I do need to put the mapper inside /etc/fstab?
[21:46] <JoeLlama> that makes perfect sense
[21:46] <TJ-> elichai2: Are you? Well that's weird I've been using it for 10 years :D
[21:47] <TJ-> elichai2: you need a correct root file-system entry in fstab of course, yes
[21:48] <stormy_daniels> TJ- btw where is that pastebinit program?
[21:48] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: "which pastebinit" to find it; "man pastebinit" to learn about how to use it
[21:48] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: if you want to install it, "sudo apt install pastebinit"
[21:48] <stormy_daniels> yep, checked my apt-cache just after asking
[21:49] <stormy_daniels> oh, wow. I think I tried installing a shitty binary recently
[21:50] <stormy_daniels> TJ- I don't have anything matching linux-image-*
[21:52] <stormy_daniels> however, check out what happens when I try to run apt-get these days... http://paste.ubuntu.com/26502606/
[21:52] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: that is /worrying/ :D
[21:52] <JoeLlama> is there a way to get ubuntu to update the system clock from the internet or does it already do that?
[21:52] <stormy_daniels> meh, clean up my boot partition i guess?
[21:52] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: so, /boot/ file-system is out of space!
[21:53] <stormy_daniels> I _thought_ my next boot was gonna be rough...
[21:53] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: strangely, I wrote a tool to fix this just today!  http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/apt-autoremove-old-kernels
[21:53] <lordcirth_work> JoeLlama, should already be running.   systemctl status ntp
[21:53] <stormy_daniels> heh, I woulda thought there'd be something for that already
[21:54] <JoeLlama> ok neat lordcirth_work can I look at the settings and where are they?
[21:54] <stormy_daniels> TJ- have you seen a lot of these issues? I mean there's been a flux of kernel-level patches as of late
[21:54] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: if you want to try the script, do "wget http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/apt-autoremove-old-kernels" then "bash ./apt-autoremove-old-kernels" to get an idea of what it finds and wants to do... if that looks rational then call it with "sudo bash ./apt-autoremove-old-kernels" to do it's job.
[21:54] <JoeLlama> oh ok I found it :)
[21:55] <stormy_daniels> TJ- how will /boot clean itself out?
[21:55] <stormy_daniels> will apt do that?
[21:55] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: Yes, for those of us with a separate /boot/ file-system and not running "apt autoremove" frequently
[21:55] <nacc> the latter being a case of ignoring what apt says (IMO)  :)
[21:55] <stormy_daniels> that is my bad
[21:55] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: there is an unattended job for running autoremove but if lots of kernel upgrades come along at once, as recently, and /boot/ is relatively small, it might not happen in time
[21:56] <stormy_daniels> if you have an intel chip I think our demands have changed...
[21:56] <JoeLlama> ok last question for a while.  once I get my desktop set up nicely is there a way to save those settings so that I can apply them to another new install of ubuntu?
[21:57] <JoeLlama> so I don't have to do all of that all over again...
[21:57] <kenrin> Tar your home folder as a backup?..
[21:57] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: once you've cleaned up with the script, use "df /boot/" to confirm there's now some free-space, then do "sudo update-initramfs -k all" to repair the broken initrd.img
[21:58] <JoeLlama> oh are all those setting in the home folder kenrin?
[21:58] <TJ-> JoeLlama: most of the options are stored under $HOME/.config/
[21:58] <JoeLlama> nice :)
[21:58] <TJ-> JoeLlama: some aspects may be under $HOME/.local/
[21:58] <TJ-> JoeLlama: and others... depends on the tool! but likely some other $HOME/.xxxxx directory
[22:02] <stormy_daniels> `sudo update-initramfs -k all` doesn't seem to work
[22:02] <stormy_daniels> bad syntax or w/e
[22:03] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: you're missing the "-u" - "sudo update-initramfs -u -k all"
[22:03] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: sorry, I told my fingers to type that but I see they ignored me originally :D
[22:07] <stormy_daniels> k
[22:07] <stormy_daniels> another question. with that crisis averted. how do I get bluetooth working? I had some bluetooth headphoens working last time I connected. now when I turn them on they get connected for a fraction of a second
[22:07] <stormy_daniels> and then turn off
[22:09] <Guest35240> huh
[22:09] <Guest35240> hopfully this still works
[22:09] <Bashing-om> Guest35240: So far so good .
[22:10] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: are they still connected but the audio isn't directed to them, or is the BT connection dropping?
[22:10] <calico_> I am using this "xrandr --output LVDS-1 --brightness 0.4" to change my screen brightness but it reverts to its previous level within a second, is there a way to prevent that
[22:10] <stormy_daniels> TJ- connection dropping
[22:10] <nacc> calico_: possibly you have that settig enabled which tries to match the ambient light?
[22:10] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: see if there's any useful clues in /var/log/syslog
[22:10] <Guest35240> i think i have a problem with unity, whenever i open the top icon to search for applications and things and i try to click on annything on my second monitor it will just click the application below it like it wasnt there
[22:11] <Guest35240> actually its happening on both monitors
[22:12] <nacc> calico_: 'automatic brightness' /
[22:12] <stormy_daniels> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26502689/
[22:14] <calico_> nacc, I just realized that it actually reverts to the previous setting that I had set using the keyboard keys combination
[22:15] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: last line: "bluetoothd[1152]: a2dp-sink profile connect failed for 50:17:08:30:C2:8F: Protocol not available"
[22:15] <Guest35240> it only happens when the applicationi under it is maximised
[22:15] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: what does "apt list --installed pulseaudio-module-bluetooth" report ?
[22:15] <Guest35240> anyone know whats going on with it or how to stop that from happening?
[22:16] <nacc> calico_: hrm
[22:16] <stormy_daniels> `pulseaudio-module-bluetooth/xenial-updates,now 1:8.0-0ubuntu3.7 amd64 [installed]`
[22:17] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: OK, that would have been the easy solution!
[22:17] <stormy_daniels> there's also the pulseaudio-module-bluetooth/xenial-updates,now 1:8.0-0ubuntu3.7 amd64 [installed]
[22:18] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: try this in a terminal shell: "bluetoothctl" then "help" to see the list of possible commands, then do "devices" to list, identify your headset's MAC address then do "connect 01:02:03...." (replacing 01:02:03... with your headset's MAC address. It will tab-complete so you don't need to type it all)
[22:21] <stormy_daniels> `Attempting to connect to 50:17:08:30:C2:8F`
[22:21] <stormy_daniels> `Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed`
[22:21] <Guest35240> ok i restarted unity an i think that fixed it
[22:22] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: has a suspend/resume cycle recently been done, and possibly failed?
[22:23] <stormy_daniels> well this is the boot I did from a prior kernel
[22:23] <SKiTZO> trying to start stunnel4 but it aborts when it fails to open pid file.
[22:23] <TJ-> stormy_daniels: OK, just in case, reboot into the default kernel and try again. No point fixing something with this kernel if it doesn't affect the default
[22:23] <SKiTZO> I am pretty sure it's not a permissions problem, so what could cause that?
[22:23] <stormy_daniels> hmm, mkay
[22:24] <stormy_daniels> should I be concerned that  update-initramfs had a fatal error?
[22:24] <SKiTZO> even if I run it manually it fails
[22:24] <TJ-> SKiTZO: check it's log-file?  /var/log/stunnel.log I think
[22:24] <TJ-> SKiTZO: also, check the stunnel config, possibly /etc/default/stunnel ?
[22:25] <SKiTZO> TJ: Well here's the thing, it complained that it couldn't open the log file either so I disabled it temporarily and just run it in foreground to read log in stderr
[22:25] <SKiTZO> pid > log
[22:25] <TJ-> SKiTZO: hmmm, is this from a config in /etc/stunnel/ ?
[22:26] <SKiTZO> i put the pind udner  /tmp, under /run under /run/stunnel4/ under /var/run and /var/run/stunnel4/
[22:26] <TJ-> SKiTZO: i /susppose/ it could be an apparmor issue. Check /var/log/auth.log for DENIED messges
[22:26] <SKiTZO> yes config is in /etc/stunnel
[22:26] <SKiTZO> I know its thecorrect one because changes I make to it affect the outcome
[22:26] <SKiTZO> TJ: will check tx!
[22:26] <TJ-> SKiTZO: right, I was just making sure I understand your system's config layout
[22:28] <SKiTZO> TJ: nothing appears in /var/log/auth.log
[22:29] <TJ-> SKiTZO: can you pastebin the config file?
[22:29] <SKiTZO> I tail it while starting stunnel, no new entries appear
[22:30] <TJ-> SKiTZO: In my stunnel configs I've "debug = 7"  - are you using that?
[22:32] <catsoesh_> .
[22:32] <dethos> hello, is it possible to install CUDA sdk from a ppa on ubuntu 17:10? or downloading it from the nvidia's website is the only option?
[22:33] <SKiTZO> TJ: here https://paste.ubuntu.com/26502748/
[22:33] <SKiTZO> yes I am
[22:33] <SKiTZO> :)
[22:35] <TJ-> SKiTZO: reading...
[22:36] <TJ-> SKiTZO: *tuts* :D :D
[22:37] <TJ-> SKiTZO: you've set a chroot; pid is relative to that!
[22:37] <JoeLlama> okay I'm trying to install VideoLan VLC and the software installer is just saying something went wrong and good luck.  How do I get the VLC installation file and once I have it how do I install it?  I assume I use Terminal.
[22:37] <TJ-> SKiTZO: so "mkdir /var/lib/stunnel4/var/run/" then you can use "pid = /var/run/stunnel4.pid"
[22:40] <Bashing-om> !info vlc xenial | JoeLlama
[22:41] <JoeLlama> neat
[22:42] <JoeLlama> still looking for it
[22:42] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> hello, I have an ubuntu server installation where I host my application. Where is the best location to put a script that needs to run on startup? I would put it in /etc/init.d, but I'm not sure if that's an outdated way to do it
[22:42] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> I would love to read some docs about it
[22:42] <Bashing-om> JoeLlama: What release ? does ' apt list vlc ' not find it ?
[22:42] <JoeLlama> stupid software application locked up :(
[22:43] <JoeLlama> working on it Bashing-om thanks :)
[22:43] <kenrin> Fire-Dragon-DoL: You make a .service file for it
[22:43] <JoeLlama> can't get to the prompt thingy to get into terminal
[22:43] <JoeLlama> oh got it
[22:43] <kenrin> Lookup systemd service files,  it is pretty simple
[22:44] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> kenrin: that's what I was thinking about, I remember seeing those and reading they were the new way, but forgot anything about it :P
[22:45] <JoeLlama> ok to install vlc I need to be root.  how do I do that?
[22:45] <kenrin> You use sudo JoeLlama
[22:45] <JoeLlama> oh
[22:45] <TJ-> JoeLlama: "sudo apt install vlc"
[22:46] <Bashing-om> JoeLlama: ' sudo apt install vlc ' - will be asked for your pass word . enter it blindly and hit the enter key .
[22:46] <JoeLlama> yup
[22:46] <JoeLlama> I'm gettin' it :)
[22:46] <JoeLlama> it's working (:
[22:46] <JoeLlama> you guys like vlc for ubuntu?
[22:47] <kenrin> I like mplayer,  but use whatever works
[22:47] <JoeLlama> yes it seems that mplayer is popular
[22:48] <JoeLlama> so later, I want to install programs on a ubuntu machine that is NOT on the internet...  I assume that isn't difficult.
[22:48] <kenrin> From source?  A little,  If you got a .deb file it is easy as dpkg -i
[22:49] <JoeLlama> oh ok :) thanks
[22:49] <TJ-> !info apt-offline | JoeLlama
[22:49] <JoeLlama> ah
[22:50] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> kenrin: ok found docs, but I'm struggling to find the location where to put the file. Some suggests /usr/lib/systemd/user/blah.service, some /etc/systemd/system/ , but to me it would make more sense /etc/systemd/user/
[22:53] <kenrin> There is a few places you can put them.  I throw them in /etc/systemd/system just to keep all in one place,  You can use User= or Group= if you want a certain user to run
[22:54] <TJ-> SKiTZO: is it fixed now?
[22:56] <SKiTZO> TJ: Ah! I didnt do that on purpose (set chroot), just copied some tutorial config
[22:56] <SKiTZO> Will try making that dir
[22:57] <JoeLlama> vlc is working sweet :)
[22:58] <SKiTZO> TJ: Works like a charm, thanks a lot!
[23:00] <duckini> Didn't know where to report a bug so here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/7umsbf/native_screen_recording_issue_shiftctrlaltr
[23:00] <duckini> Curious as how to fix or where I'd find this specific portion of code in some repository to report a bug.
[23:00] <Jordan_U> !bug | duckini
[23:01] <duckini> I'm not sure what package the native screen recorder is.
[23:02] <duckini> Thank you for the help Jordan_U
[23:03] <realies> how do i extend my root partition after resizing the vdisk of an ubuntu vm?
[23:03] <realies> https://dpaste.de/B7kz/raw
[23:04] <realies> https://dpaste.de/U9Qv/raw
[23:06] <TJ-> realies: is it ext? if so "sudo resize2fs /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root"
[23:06] <Jordan_U> realies: Is the difference really just 0.02 GB (20 MB)?
[23:07] <realies> Jordan_U, it's not 19gb for sure
[23:08] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> thanks kenrin, will put it there
[23:08] <Jordan_U> realies: What size are you expecting your LV to be?
[23:08] <realies> TJ-, https://dpaste.de/nPEe/raw
[23:09] <realies> after which df -h still displaying 15G
[23:09] <realies> Jordan_U, 19GB, assuming the output of pvdisplay
[23:10] <realies> to be honest i did qemu-img resize vdisk1.img +10G on the 15GB vdisk
[23:11] <realies> so it should be around 25G, no? odd that pvdisplay says 19.02 GiB
[23:11] <realies> or GiB != G
[23:12] <TJ-> realies: have you used 'pvresize' on it first?
[23:12] <Jordan_U> duckini: I think that the tool launched by using ctrl+alt+shift+r is gnome-screenshot, but I'm not sure.
[23:12] <tomreyn> df -h displays powers of 1024, and Gibibytes are power of 1024, too
[23:12] <realies> TJ-, https://dpaste.de/B7kz/raw
[23:12] <realies> so - yes
[23:13] <duckini> Jordan_U: gnome-screenshot doesn't handle video recording, at least not from it's GUI
[23:13] <TJ-> realies: right, and does vgdisplay show lots of new free extents?
[23:13] <realies> TJ-, not sure https://dpaste.de/zxB6/raw
[23:13] <tomreyn> also what does pvdisplay say now.
[23:14] <TJ-> realies: the order is: grow image file > pvresize > lvextend > resize2fs
[23:14] <realies> tomreyn, https://dpaste.de/zd2n/raw
[23:15] <tomreyn> so you only grew the PV by 6x 4 MiB
[23:15] <TJ-> realies: what hypervisor are you using?
[23:15] <realies> TJ-, kvm
[23:15] <Jordan_U> duckini: Have you tried this when not running from a LiveUSB?
[23:15] <TJ-> realies: and if vda3 is a partition have you extended the partition before pvresize et al?
[23:16] <duckini> Jordan_U: How would I reproduce on an already installed system when it dies during the Ubuntu Installation application?
[23:17] <duckini> Jordan_U: I'm assuming it has something to do with refreshing disk status or something, but honestly have no idea.
[23:17] <realies> TJ-, you mean pvresize?
[23:18] <TJ-> realies: no, I mean, I'm assuming /dev/vda3 is partition #3 on /dev/vda. Assuming the image file you enlarged is /dev/vda you stil need to enlarge partition #3 to encompass the additional space (assuming vda3 is the last partition on vda) before pvresize can change anything
[23:19] <TJ-> realies: if there's a vda4 then you obviously cannot extend vda3
[23:20] <duckini> Jordan_U: Yep, it just died when I unmounted, and then mounted a drive on my current installation.
[23:21] <realies> TJ-, that's pretty concise, vda3 is the last partition according to fdisk -l https://dpaste.de/oM8S/raw
[23:22] <tomreyn> qemu-img check vdisk1.imgyou never resized the partition, though
[23:22] <tomreyn> whoops, i emant to say: you never resized the partition, though
[23:24] <realies> tomreyn, well i did https://dpaste.de/3Fnu/raw
[23:24] <realies> sorry, that's the vdisk
[23:24] <realies> isn't pvresize /dev/vda3 resizing the disk?
[23:25] <tomreyn> realies: pvresize resized the PV to match the entire size of the upper layer. which, in this case, is the partition, which was not resized.
[23:26] <tomreyn> more precisely, you cannot resize partitions, but you can overwrite partition tables (with modified values)
[23:26] <realies> this is something i think i've stumbled upon and it looked dangerous
[23:27] <tomreyn> it is, with the wrong values, you'll shoot your foot. so what you'd need to do now is to create a new partition table on that vdisk.
[23:27] <TJ-> tomreyn: realies You can resize partitions; "parted /dev/vda resizepart 3 XXX" where XXX is the ending sector
[23:28] <tomreyn> TJ-: that really just writes a new partition table also, doesn't it?
[23:29] <realies> according to https://dpaste.de/oM8S/raw, end sector is 62914559?
[23:30] <tomreyn> i would say so. but have backups. ;)
[23:30] <TJ-> tomreyn: it alters the partition entry
[23:30] <tomreyn> ok
[23:31] <TJ-> realies: you'll need something like "parted /dev/vda unit s resizepart 3 62914559" in that case, "unit s" sets units to sector counts
[23:31] <TJ-> realies: backup first: "dd if=/dev/vda of=mbr.bin count=1"
[23:31] <azizLIGHT> can latest ubuntu or lts respond to media next or media previous keys (next track/ previous track) on lock screen?
[23:32] <TJ-> realies: and, ensure the block device is NOT using GPT with a hybrid MBR first :)
[23:32] <CodeMouse92__> Is it possible to associate a domain name with a local IP address, in the same way /etc/hosts does, but have that switch automatically on and off depending on what network I'm connected to?
[23:34] <TJ-> CodeMouse92__: it is, it's called "split DNS", but it depends where you want it to be active as to how to configure it. If you only want it locally on the PC depending on what network it is connected to you'd likely need some special sauce in the Network-Manager/dnsmasq configuration
[23:38] <realies> TJ-, how to ensure block device is not using gpt with hybrid mbr?
[23:42] <TJ-> realies: fdisk told you it is GPT I think "GPT PMBR size mismatch" - PMBR == Protective Master Boot Record
[23:42] <TJ-> realies: As far as I recall, parted should handle both, but it's worth testing on a test file loop mounted to be sure
[23:44] <realies> guess i'm fixing this? https://dpaste.de/StGj/raw
[23:53] <realies> TJ-, https://dpaste.de/OEmr/raw
[23:57] <realies> found this https://serverfault.com/a/870595