[07:17] <Senpos> Hello. Is it known problem in Xubuntu 18.04 latest daily build, when system loads up, it can take a lot of time to actually see the desktop? Transition between Plymouth -> Xfce desktop takes up to 30 seconds and at that time screen is filled with black, only empty panel is visible.
[07:19] <Senpos> No problems were found in 17.10. Only 18.04 has it and since very first releases.
[07:23] <krytarik> Senpos: Yes, it's already been noticed, LP bug 1740378.
[13:40] <alpha_Aquilae> Hello
[13:50] <alpha_Aquilae> I'm finding xubuntu's irc french channels. Let me know please.
[13:51] <knome> i don't think there are any french channels for xubuntu
[13:51] <knome> !fr | alpha_Aquilae
[13:52] <alpha_Aquilae> k thanks knome...
[18:34] <xubuntu72w> Hi!  I'm new here but an experienced *buntu user of many years.  I hope someone can help.  I'm trying to set up a new PC (Lenovo Think Server TS150) with XUbuntu.  I've created a 16.04 live-DVD to boot from.  I can install this fine onto the machine.  I'll be happy running 16.04 LTS until the next LTS release comes out, BUT, I wanted to test out the upgrade procedure before committing to this setup (it will be a home server)...
[18:35] <xubuntu72w> Upgrading using the standard graphical update software, the process works, but then after reboot, I'm left with a machine with a frozen mouse and keyboard....
[18:36] <xubuntu72w> If I switch to another terminal Ctrl-alt-f1 or ssh in, I can sudo apt-get install xorg-input-all (or something like that) which makes the mouse and keyboard work again, but....
[18:37] <xubuntu72w> that allows me to type in my password at the greeter screen.  Once I press enter, the screen goes black, and then takes me back to the greeter screen.  I can't login via the graphical greeter
[18:37] <xubuntu72w> I CAN login in ctrl-alt-f1 and via SSH so it's not a password issue, it's like the greeter is not launching the window manager.
[18:38] <xubuntu72w> if under CTRL-ALT-F1, I type Startx, the GUI starts there (in terminal 1), but I can't get it to start in terminal 7 (Ctrl-alt-f7) where the greeter is
[18:39] <xubuntu72w> This is making me very worried that when it comes to updating from 16.04LTS to 18.04LTS I will be left with a machine that I can't use in the normal way.
[18:40] <xubuntu72w> Has anyone any ideas what I can do to fix this, or can they reassure me that when it comes to updating from 16.04 to 18.04 that this process will work?
[18:43] <drleviathan> xubuntu72w, i've had that symptom: login to graphical interface but it returns to the login screen when my $HOME directory was no longer available
[18:43] <drleviathan> I'm not saying that is your exact problem
[18:43] <drleviathan> but I had the same symptoms
[18:44] <drleviathan> the problem being: i had restored my $HOME from backup which had a different userID
[18:45] <drleviathan> after doing a chown operation on $HOME I was able to get in
[18:45] <drleviathan> xubuntu72w, try this: in terminal mode...
[18:45] <drleviathan> move your $HOME to the side: cd /; sudo mv $HOME /home/oldhome
[18:46] <drleviathan> make a new empty $HOME
[18:46] <drleviathan> try to login via the graphical greeter
[18:46] <drleviathan> if that works, manually copy the files you want to keep from /home/oldhome to $HOME
[18:47] <xubuntu72w> OK, I will try that.  I will also try creating a new user.  This machine is unused at the moment apart from testing the install, so I can do almost anything easily.
[18:47] <drleviathan> I seem to recall having the problem you describe in another case: my xfce config files were bad and that workaround above solved it.
[18:48] <drleviathan> all that said, I never do a dist upgrade.  I always bakcup all data and then reinstall without reformatting.  So far all the files in my $HOME survive intact.
[18:48] <xubuntu72w> Am away from that machine at the moment, will try and get back to you all.
[18:49] <xubuntu72w> Thanks.
[19:56] <xubuntu72w> Hi, me again with the xubuntu lts 16.04 -> 17.04.  Unfortunately, creating a new home/user directory, chowning all the files in the user's directory and creating a new user all have exactly the same effect.  Press Log in... thinks... screen goes blank then back to the greeter.
[19:57] <xubuntu72w> It's like the greeter isn't launching the window manager or gdm.  Any ideas if I can check this or configure it?
[19:57] <drleviathan> xubuntu72w, the new $HOME... it was empty?
[19:57] <drleviathan> or you copied stuff to it before you tried to login?
[19:58] <xubuntu72w> New $home was empty.
[19:59] <xubuntu72w> new user $home was populated by default files
[19:59] <xubuntu72w> neither worked
[19:59] <galacticaboy> how does one upgrade to the new xubuntu release without having to download the iso?
[19:59] <drleviathan> hrm... was there an error file in $HOME after the attempt?  maybe a hidden one?
[19:59] <xubuntu72w> @galacticaboy - from the menu, "software updater"
[20:00] <xubuntu72w> @drleviathan.  Ah, .xsession-errors.  Didn't spot that... looking
[20:02] <xubuntu72w> @drleviathan  Aha!  /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start: line 5: /sbin/upstart:
[20:02] <xubuntu72w> No such file or directory
[20:03] <drleviathan> my /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start has just one uncommented out line:   exec $STARTUP
[20:04] <drleviathan> I'm on 17.10
[20:04] <xubuntu72w> In the many pages I've read before asking to help, I seem to remember something about reinstalling xsession
[20:04] <drleviathan> ? xsession isn't a package
[20:05] <xubuntu72w> OK, my faulty memory then
[20:05] <xubuntu72w> I read a lot!
[20:07] <xubuntu72w> my 99x11-common_start has also just exec $STARTUP
[20:12] <xubuntu72w> ...  googling gave this link which I'm trying https://askubuntu.com/questions/999180/16-04-to-17-10-login-loop-because-of-xsession-and-upstart
[20:16] <xubuntu72w> @drleviathan @leviathanAFK  WOOT!!  Result.  Thanks.  :-)  The steps listed in that link seem to have fixed it.
[21:51] <galacticaboy> Ok so I upgraded to the newest xubuntu release. I get to the login screen and enter my password, it goes to a black screen and back to the login screen. I dropped to a terminal and sudo starts and that does not work either
[21:51] <galacticaboy> What do I do
[21:52] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/zg3pjSj.jpg
[21:53] <drleviathan> look in your $HOME for a hidden error file:  ls -l ~/ | grep -i error
[21:54] <drleviathan> galacticaboy, from what version?  Maybe you're having the exact same problem as xubuntu72w?
[21:55] <galacticaboy> From the Lts to the newest
[21:55] <xubuntu72w> Exactly what I did.  so....
[21:56] <galacticaboy> I got no hidden error file
[21:56] <xubuntu72w> 1) are your mouse and keyboard working OK?
[21:56] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/eBWu5gw.jpg
[21:57] <galacticaboy> Keyboard seems to be working, touchpad is not but the nipple pointer on my laptop works
[21:59] <xubuntu72w> try...
[21:59] <xubuntu72w> cd
[21:59] <xubuntu72w> ls -al
[21:59] <xubuntu72w> (Moves to your home directory, list all files)
[21:59] <xubuntu72w> you may have a file called .xsession.errors (or similar)
[22:00] <xubuntu72w> if you have one of those, try to cat it.  cat .xsession...(whatever its exact name)
[22:00] <xubuntu72w> mine contained the text "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start: line 5: /sbin/upstart: No such file or directory"
[22:01] <xubuntu72w> if yours has that, then the fix is contained in this page  https://askubuntu.com/questions/999180/16-04-to-17-10-login-loop-because-of-xsession-and-upstart
[22:01] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/07IfuY1.jpg
[22:01] <galacticaboy> Sorry for the bad camera quality it’s irc on my phone
[22:02] <xubuntu72w> ok, so type
[22:02] <xubuntu72w> cat .xsession-errors
[22:03] <drleviathan> oh right... i forgot the -a argument to ls when I gave him that advice above.  That is why he didn't see any file with 'error' in it.
[22:03] <xubuntu72w> :-)
[22:03] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/eQeECmN.jpg
[22:04] <xubuntu72w> OK, you have exactly the same problem as me.  Solution is simple
[22:05] <galacticaboy> Thank god a solution! :)
[22:06] <xubuntu72w> hang on, lost the link....
[22:06] <galacticaboy> Don’t worry I’m not going anywhere lol
[22:07] <drleviathan> this is the link:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/999180/16-04-to-17-10-login-loop-because-of-xsession-and-upstart
[22:08] <xubuntu72w> Yep, ta
[22:08] <xubuntu72w> type
[22:09] <xubuntu72w> cd /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[22:09] <galacticaboy> Okay did that
[22:09] <xubuntu72w> mkdir ../BAK
[22:09] <xubuntu72w> {makes a backup directory}
[22:10] <galacticaboy> Okay
[22:10] <xubuntu72w> sudo mv 00upstart ../BAK
[22:10] <galacticaboy> Ok
[22:10] <xubuntu72w> sudo mv 99upstart ../BAK
[22:11] <galacticaboy> Ok
[22:11] <xubuntu72w> sudo mv 99x11-common_start ../BAK
[22:11] <galacticaboy> Ok
[22:12] <xubuntu72w> so that's the typing done hopefully.  CTRL-ALT-F7 to go back to the greeter screen
[22:12] <xubuntu72w> then try to login
[22:14] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/0xDIBPv.jpg
[22:14] <galacticaboy> Oh I’m about to throw this laptop
[22:15] <galacticaboy> Now I’m stuck here
[22:16] <xubuntu72w> That looks like what I got when I rebooted.  Did you reboot, or was that what you got when you did ctrl-alt-f7?
[22:16] <galacticaboy> After ctrl-alt-f7
[22:17] <galacticaboy> I also rebooted and got that
[22:18] <xubuntu72w> OK, when you rebooted, presumably you see a graphical greeter, i.e. a box that has a username and box for password, and a button that says login?
[22:18] <galacticaboy> No... I see the xubuntu logo with the spinny circle then this screen
[22:19] <galacticaboy> I can drop to a terminal and login that way but no GUI
[22:19] <drleviathan> so now maybe look in /var/log... do: ls -lart /var/log
[22:20] <drleviathan> what files are near the bottom (most recently changed)
[22:20] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/Gm3CDEw.jpg
[22:21] <xubuntu72w> Can I just but in for a second?  My system when doing that update was missing an element of Xorg.  To fix it I had to do...
[22:21] <xubuntu72w> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all
[22:21] <galacticaboy> Please butt in, I’m so frustrated I need all the helps
[22:21] <xubuntu72w> That made my mouse and keyboard work on the login screen (but you're not seeing the login screen).
[22:22] <galacticaboy> Well I installed that for when I get it back
[22:22] <xubuntu72w> might be worth trying that, then looking at the log files.  Perhaps also worth doing sudo apt-get install --reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[22:23] <galacticaboy> Alright doing that too
[22:23] <drleviathan> that sounds like good advice.  I don't see a likely recently changed log file in that list, unless there are clues in kern.log.
[22:24] <galacticaboy> Ive reinstalled xubuntu desktop should I reboot
[22:25] <xubuntu72w> Gosh yes
[22:25] <drleviathan> galacticaboy, you backed up important data before trying to upgrade your release version, right?
[22:26] <galacticaboy> No all my data stays in the cloud so I don’t have any “important” data on here
[22:27] <galacticaboy> But on a positive note I see my login screen again
[22:27] <galacticaboy> Just a sec
[22:27] <drleviathan> I interpret that as "yes, I did"
[22:27] <xubuntu72w> YAY!
[22:27] <galacticaboy> And I’m still stuck in a loop
[22:27] <xubuntu72w> Boo!
[22:28] <galacticaboy> I enter the password, see that black screen I showed the back to the login screen, my mouse works now so we’re getting somewhere
[22:28] <xubuntu72w> OK, so it seems like you are where I was a while ago.
[22:28] <xubuntu72w> Lets check.
[22:29] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/rf51JRR.jpg
[22:29] <galacticaboy> Login screen
[22:29] <xubuntu72w> Do you get a Text box with a username showing at the top, a space for password at the bottom and a button saying login.
[22:29] <xubuntu72w> yes.  Good
[22:29] <xubuntu72w> OK, so type in a bad password.
[22:29] <xubuntu72w> it should say invalid password.
[22:30] <galacticaboy> Invalid password, please try again
[22:30] <xubuntu72w> OK, try correct password.
[22:30] <galacticaboy> Black screen, then login screen
[22:30] <xubuntu72w> OK, same as what I had.
[22:31] <xubuntu72w> OK, switch to terminal 1, CTRL-ALT-F1
[22:31] <xubuntu72w> Login
[22:31] <galacticaboy> Ok
[22:31] <xubuntu72w> (same user you used at the greeter screen)
[22:31] <galacticaboy> Yep I logged in
[22:31] <xubuntu72w> ls -al
[22:32] <xubuntu72w> is there an .xsession-error
[22:32] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/T8xoVeX.jpg
[22:32] <galacticaboy> Yes .xsession-errors and .xsession-errors.old
[22:33] <drleviathan> there may be a clue therein
[22:33] <xubuntu72w> yep, but...
[22:33] <xubuntu72w> type date
[22:33] <xubuntu72w> need to comapre your computer's time with the date of the .xsession-errors file
[22:34] <galacticaboy> “Thu Feb 1 17:33:31 EST 2018
[22:34] <drleviathan> so the .xsession-errors file is an hour old
[22:34] <galacticaboy> Xsession-errors is feb 1 16:34 right around the upgrade time
[22:34] <xubuntu72w> check.  DO..
[22:34] <xubuntu72w> touch testfile
[22:35] <xubuntu72w> ls -al
[22:35] <xubuntu72w> look for testfile
[22:35] <xubuntu72w> especially its time
[22:35] <galacticaboy> Yes it’s there and the time is 17:35 which is right
[22:36] <xubuntu72w> OK, so .xsession-errors is an old file.  It won't contain error information pertinant to why it's not working now.
[22:36] <xubuntu72w> I don't know what to do now.  Sorry.  DrLeviathan?
[22:37] <drleviathan> the only idea I have would be to look in /var/log again to see if there is a likely recently changed log file that might have some clues
[22:37] <galacticaboy> How do I do that
[22:38] <drleviathan> ls -lart /var/log
[22:38] <drleviathan> list contents, long format, all, reverse by time
[22:38] <drleviathan> the most recently changed files will show up at the bottom
[22:39] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/zxmva1I.jpg
[22:40] <drleviathan> so there are three files changed right around when you tried to login:  auth, kern, and syslog
[22:40] <xubuntu72w> worth a look at Xorg.0.log too?
[22:40] <xubuntu72w> to look at them, one at a time
[22:41] <xubuntu72w> sudo cat syslog
[22:41] <drleviathan> xubuntu72w, is right, look at that one first
[22:41] <xubuntu72w> sudo cat auth
[22:41] <drleviathan> you can look at the last 10 lines of a file like so:  tail filename
[22:41] <xubuntu72w> yep, sudo cat Xorg.0.log
[22:41] <drleviathan> shows less data than cat, for quick check
[22:41] <xubuntu72w> yep, tail better than cat
[22:42] <drleviathan> looking at Xorg log doesn't require sudo priv
[22:42] <drleviathan> but the last three files there do require it, as per the permission bits
[22:42] <galacticaboy> No such file or directory :(
[22:42] <drleviathan> ?
[22:42] <drleviathan> what command did you type?
[22:43] <xubuntu72w> we're not in /var/log
[22:43] <xubuntu72w> so we need to do
[22:43] <xubuntu72w> tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:43] <xubuntu72w> not just tail Xorg.0.log
[22:44] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/2FQ7LrM.jpg
[22:45] <drleviathan> hrm... Xorg log files usually have "EE" in lines that have errors
[22:45] <drleviathan> so you need to search a little harder, the clue might not be at the end of the file
[22:46] <drleviathan> try this: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:46] <drleviathan> (show all lines that have the pattern "EE")
[22:47] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/7uJcpjJ.jpg
[22:47] <galacticaboy> Nothing is listed
[22:47] <drleviathan> yeah, that is just the key line telling you what EE means
[22:48] <drleviathan> well tail the other recently changed log files to see if you can find a clue
[22:48] <drleviathan> alternatively you can try my trick of trying to login with an empty $HOME directory
[22:49] <galacticaboy> Whichever one has a better chance of getting me logged back into my lappy lol
[22:50] <xubuntu72w> OK, quick test
[22:50] <xubuntu72w> adduser test
[22:50] <xubuntu72w> set password as something simple like test
[22:51] <xubuntu72w> then try switching back to the greeter (ctrl-alt-F7) and see if you can login as test.
[22:51] <xubuntu72w> NB didn't work for me, but then, the fix that worked for me didn't work for you
[22:51] <drleviathan> he can login to the terminal with his password
[22:52] <galacticaboy> I typed in the password at the login screen, it just resets the text box, it does not even tell me it’s incorrect or anything
[22:52] <xubuntu72w> yes, but create a new user, that creates default files for the user, that user's files will have the correct permissions, so if he can login as test, it's a permissions issue, if he can't, it isn't.  That's my reasoning anyway
[22:53] <xubuntu72w> Did the screen go blank for a moment @galacticaboy?
[22:54] <galacticaboy> Hey wait... sorry I entered the wrong password
[22:54] <galacticaboy> I’m in!
[22:54] <xubuntu72w> Cool!
[22:54] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/gh95suZ.jpg
[22:54] <xubuntu72w> You're logged in as test, is that correct?
[22:54] <galacticaboy> How do I get into my account though
[22:54] <galacticaboy> Well I called the user “a” but yes
[22:55] <xubuntu72w> OK.  We're not out of the woods yet.
[22:55] <xubuntu72w> BUT
[22:55] <galacticaboy> Ok
[22:55] <xubuntu72w> This seems like @drleviathan was telling me way back.
[22:55] <xubuntu72w> It could be something to do with the permissions of your files in your home directory.
[22:56] <xubuntu72w> @drleviathan, what do you suggest, mv out of home directory, or chown all files?
[22:56] <xubuntu72w> (in the home directory, obviously)
[22:56] <drleviathan> since all of galacticaboy's important data is stored on the cloud...
[22:57] <drleviathan> I'd say: copy $HOME to the side, create a new empty $HOME, and try to login
[22:57] <drleviathan> so galacticaboy it would go something like this from the terminal...
[22:58] <drleviathan> cd /; sudo mv /home/david /home/oldDavid; sudo mkdir /home/david
[22:58] <drleviathan> that's ^^^ multiple commands separated by semicolons.  You can run that as one line.
[22:58] <xubuntu72w> Need to do ctrl-alt-f1 again first though to get back to a terminal
[22:59] <drleviathan> galacticaboy, what is your linux command-line expertise level?
[22:59] <galacticaboy> Sudo apt-get install/remove is about it
[23:00] <galacticaboy> And I did those commands
[23:00] <drleviathan> now try to login at the graphical login screen
[23:01] <galacticaboy> Nope same issue
[23:01] <galacticaboy> Black screen back to logon
[23:01] <galacticaboy> :x
[23:01] <drleviathan> which is different from the "wrong password" behavior, right?
[23:01] <galacticaboy> Yes
[23:02] <drleviathan> so back to the terminal.  Are there any files in the new (formerly empty) directory?
[23:02] <drleviathan> ls -lart ~/
[23:02] <galacticaboy> Wrong password gives me no black screen just the incorrect password error
[23:03] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/QUzK6XG.jpg
[23:03] <chomwitt> i just installed xubuntu 16.04 and the screen turned black, going to 'sleep' ?
[23:04] <xubuntu72w> @galacticaboy.  You missed a space after lart
[23:04] <drleviathan> galacticaboy, so no clues left in the home dir
[23:04] <drleviathan> not on his second try xubuntu72w
[23:05] <xubuntu72w> dur, missed that!
[23:05] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/SyPFCYY.jpg
[23:06] <drleviathan> brb
[23:06] <xubuntu72w> ah -
[23:07] <xubuntu72w> thinking
[23:07] <galacticaboy> So could I just create a new user... make that one the main user and get rid of my old david?
[23:07] <galacticaboy> Would that work since I can log in with my test user
[23:08] <xubuntu72w> yes.  Probably.  But hang on....
[23:08] <galacticaboy> Ok
[23:08] <xubuntu72w> on my system, my . directory is owned by my user, on yours it's owned by root.  That means probably that it can't be written to by your user.
[23:09] <xubuntu72w> Lets try changing that, and try again.
[23:09] <galacticaboy> Okay
[23:09] <xubuntu72w> your user is david?
[23:09] <xubuntu72w> if so
[23:09] <galacticaboy> Yes
[23:09] <xubuntu72w> sudo chown -r david:david /home/david
[23:10] <xubuntu72w> which changes ownership to user david group david of the directory home/david and all it's contained files
[23:10] <galacticaboy> Invalid option —r
[23:11] <xubuntu72w> try -R
[23:11] <xubuntu72w> in the same command
[23:11] <xubuntu72w> instead of -r
[23:11] <galacticaboy> Ok that worked
[23:11] <chomwitt> no video input , enter sleep mode!!
[23:11] <chomwitt> in a freshly installed system after 5-10 minutes pc powers down!
[23:12] <xubuntu72w> @galacticaboy, ctrl-alt-f7 back to the login screen.  Pick David from the combo box, type your password then "login"button
[23:12] <xubuntu72w> ...
[23:13] <xubuntu72w> then do the ls -lart ~/ thing again in ctrl-alt-f1 terminal
[23:13] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/luDbLpR.jpg
[23:13] <galacticaboy> Well I’m in
[23:14] <xubuntu72w> @chomwitt.  There's a power symbol on the top bar usually if you can see that.  That can change the power saving options,
[23:14] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/lsbOsm0.jpg
[23:14] <xubuntu72w> Hang on, when you say you're in, does that mean that you could log in on the greeter OK?
[23:15] <xubuntu72w> As David
[23:15] <xubuntu72w> ?
[23:15] <galacticaboy> Yes it does! I mean my desktop and stuff it all reset back to the way it looks during a fresh install but all my stuff is there as David
[23:15] <xubuntu72w> OK.
[23:15] <xubuntu72w> SO
[23:16] <galacticaboy> How do I confirm that everything is good?
[23:16] <xubuntu72w> That looks like there is a permissions issue the files in your original home directory
[23:16] <xubuntu72w> This is what @drleviathan was suggesting to me way back when!
[23:17] <galacticaboy> Lol so am I good or do we have more steps?
[23:17] <xubuntu72w> I am doing this on a small screen via a web interface.  I can only see one screen's worth and can't scroll back
[23:17] <xubuntu72w> (more steps)
[23:17] <chomwitt> xubuntu72w: ok ,  i opened it
[23:17] <galacticaboy> Okay then I’m ready
[23:18] <xubuntu72w> @chomwit i think it's quite simple usually, increase the times on the sliders to an hour or so, or untick go to sleep or something like that?
[23:18] <xubuntu72w> @galacticaboy, can you scroll back through the conversation?
[23:19] <galacticaboy> Yes I can
[23:19] <chomwitt> xubuntu72w: ok i move all sliders to 60 minutes.. i'll wait ..
[23:19] <xubuntu72w> @chomwitt.  Good luck :-)
[23:20] <xubuntu72w> @galacticaboy, find where we backed up your directory.  Please paste it back here so I can see.  It was the line with semicolons on it ;  cd /home or something like that
[23:20] <chomwitt> xubuntu72w: thanks
[23:22] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/dh3lstH.jpg
[23:22] <galacticaboy> This one?
[23:23] <xubuntu72w> yep
[23:23] <xubuntu72w> ok
[23:24] <xubuntu72w> first, go back to ctrl-alt-f7.  click on menu button top left.  press the button at the bottom right of that box and choose logout
[23:25] <xubuntu72w> that should take you back to the greeter screen
[23:26] <galacticaboy> Yep
[23:26] <xubuntu72w> OK ctrl-alt-f1 back to terminal
[23:26] <galacticaboy> Ok
[23:27] <xubuntu72w> get this 100% right!
[23:27] <galacticaboy> Yes sir
[23:27] <xubuntu72w> sudo rm -r /home/david
[23:27] <xubuntu72w> removes the new david home directory
[23:28] <galacticaboy> Sudo rm -r /home/David
[23:28] <xubuntu72w> ok, so lets do
[23:28] <galacticaboy> Did it
[23:28] <xubuntu72w> sudo ls -al /home
[23:29] <xubuntu72w> should have an oldDavid directory
[23:29] <galacticaboy> Yes it does
[23:29] <xubuntu72w> ok
[23:30] <xubuntu72w> sudo mkdir /home/david
[23:30] <drleviathan> oh right, we forgot to chown the new dir
[23:30] <xubuntu72w> yes, but we'll copy the old files in first, then chown them all
[23:31] <xubuntu72w> so if you
[23:31] <drleviathan> but the reason it was failing after we created it was that the perms were wrong
[23:31]  * drleviathan is xpurt
[23:31] <xubuntu72w> @drleviathan, yes, sorry I thought you were galacitaboy, you are an expert?
[23:32] <xubuntu72w> @drleviathan, can I leave this with you now?
[23:32] <galacticaboy> Did it
[23:32] <drleviathan> I was joking.  Making fun of my own mistakes.
[23:33] <xubuntu72w> need to copy the files from /home/oldDavid to /home/david, then chown -R all of them, then test it.
[23:33] <galacticaboy> How do I do that?
[23:33] <galacticaboy> Sorry terminal illiterate
[23:34] <xubuntu72w> sorry @galacticaboy, that was @drleviathan.
[23:34] <xubuntu72w> we shall...
[23:34] <xubuntu72w> sudo cp -a /home/oldDavid/* /home/david/*
[23:34] <chomwitt> xubuntu72w: .. sth else is happening.. still powered down
[23:35] <xubuntu72w> @chomwitt, look for screensaver in the menus, could be xscreensaver, or LightLocker.  Try turning it off.
[23:35] <galacticaboy> Co
[23:35] <xubuntu72w> ?co??
[23:36] <galacticaboy> Cp: target ‘/home/david* is not a directory
[23:36] <galacticaboy> Sorry didn’t mean to hit send on co
[23:36] <xubuntu72w> did you miss off the / before the final *?
[23:36] <chomwitt> xubuntu72w: its a new case with an old mobo , mini-itx .. i wonder if there is heat buildup cause i removed a case fan
[23:38] <xubuntu72w> @chomwitt, sorry I assumed that what you were seeing was power saving.  Can you wake up the machine by pressing a key or moving the mouse?  Is so, then it's power saving, if it's switching off, it could be Overheat-shutdown.
[23:38] <chomwitt> xubuntu72w: no i cant wake the machine up
[23:39] <xubuntu72w> @chomwitt then if it's easy, try putting the fan back and see if it still happens!
[23:39] <xubuntu72w> @galactocaboy, still there?
[23:40] <galacticaboy> Yes it says /home/david/* is not a directory
[23:40] <xubuntu72w> ok, try
[23:41] <xubuntu72w> sudo cp -a /home/oldDavid/* /home/david
[23:41] <xubuntu72w> which is the same thing without the final /*
[23:43] <galacticaboy> It seems to be taking its sweet time
[23:43] <galacticaboy> Ok it’s done
[23:43] <xubuntu72w> Could do.  Could be lots of files
[23:43] <xubuntu72w> OK, what we have now is /home/oldDavid with all your original files with their original permissions
[23:44] <xubuntu72w> and we have a copy of them in /home/david.  We will now try changing the file permissions so that they are all owned by user david
[23:44] <xubuntu72w> so
[23:44] <galacticaboy> Okay
[23:44] <xubuntu72w> sudo chown -R david:david /home/david
[23:45] <galacticaboy> Ok
[23:45] <xubuntu72w> could you do a ls -al /home/david for me please & picture it?
[23:46] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/RgRYRJE.jpg
[23:47] <xubuntu72w> Great.  ctrl-alt-f7.  Try and login as david
[23:49] <galacticaboy> https://i.imgur.com/xbGnLkS.jpg
[23:49] <galacticaboy> Omg Yass! Im in and back!
[23:49] <xubuntu72w> YAY!  WOOT WOOT WOOT!
[23:49] <galacticaboy> Thank you so much guys!!
[23:49] <xubuntu72w> OK, before you go.
[23:50] <galacticaboy> Okay
[23:50] <xubuntu72w> you have the new test user that we created, you can delete that and the home directory for it, if you want, but it won't take up much space
[23:50] <galacticaboy> Okay I’ll probably just delete it
[23:50] <drleviathan> yay!
[23:51] <xubuntu72w> BUT, more significantly, you have /home/oldDavid which is a complete copy of every file that was in your home directory, which may contain music files, browsing history, documents etc etc etc.
[23:51] <galacticaboy> Can that be deleted
[23:51] <xubuntu72w> the fact that it took an age to copy suggest that there are lots of files there
[23:52] <xubuntu72w> What I was going to suggest is that you leave it there, until you are sure that EVERTHING works.
[23:52] <xubuntu72w> Once you're happy, delete it.
[23:52] <galacticaboy> Okay will do that then
[23:52] <xubuntu72w> If you're not happy, or something doesn't work, you still have the original.
[23:52] <galacticaboy> Thanks for spending an hour and a half, almost 2 working on this! I really appreciate the help :)
[23:53] <xubuntu72w> That said, the ONLY difference between the files in /home/oldDavid and /home/david at the moment, is that some of the oldDavid files are not owned by user david in group david.
[23:53] <galacticaboy> Will that be much of a problem?
[23:54] <xubuntu72w> No, it's not a problem, I'm just saying that there's hardly any difference.  So it is very likely that everything will work.  But if it doesn't, you can refer to the oldDavid directory.
[23:54] <xubuntu72w> Are you short of disk space on this machine?
[23:55] <xubuntu72w> If not, leave it a while, delete when you're happy.
[23:55] <galacticaboy> No it’s 500gb and I have 520 free so I’m good lol
[23:55] <xubuntu72w> OK.
[23:55] <xubuntu72w> @galacticaboy glad I could help.
[23:55] <galacticaboy> Again thanks I appreciate it, jebus I need a drink after all that
[23:56] <xubuntu72w> Paying forward in return for the help from @drleviathan - thanks for helping me :-)
[23:56] <david_> galacticaboy stiell her
[23:56] <david_> just on the lappwy no
[23:56] <galacticaboy> there we go
[23:56] <galacticaboy> yes both of you were huge helps
[23:56] <drleviathan> maybe we should recommend that users NOT try to "dist upgrade" from LTS to 17.10
[23:56] <xubuntu72w> YAY.
[23:57] <xubuntu72w> @drleviathan, GOSH YES!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:57] <xubuntu72w> @drleviathan, thank you so much for your help. @galacticaboy, glad you're sorted.
[23:57] <knome> drleviathan, it's already kind of recommended...
[23:58] <galacticaboy> yes @drleviathan i would say that... lets not do that again
[23:58] <drleviathan> we all learned something today
[23:59] <xubuntu72w> I went into Software source, changed it from LTS to all updates.  Then I went into Software updater.  It said "There's a new version available" and offered to take me straight from 16.04 to 17.10.  It might be better to make that a bit smarter so that it doesn't skip intermediate versions.