 Question. I already filed a launchpad task for this packaging work that only bebefits Kubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1715213
 there hasn't been much movement on it. Should we file a separate task to do this only for Kubuntu, or push on the upstream Launchpad task?
 (and its companion https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/1715214)
 either way, if we need a Kubuntu-specific task, I filed https://phabricator.kde.org/T7863. If we don't need that, feel free to close it
[01:08] <valorie> finally replied to the rest of your email too, @nggraham which includes that
[01:08] <valorie> now: dinner!
 fantastic, thanks!
[01:38] <wxl> um
[01:38] <wxl> why does the non-free checkbox in ubiquity install kubuntu-restricted-ADDONS and not -extras?
[01:42] <wxl> i mean i guess when a user wants nonfree stuff, we should make sure they only get just a taste of it? i fail to see the logic but here's the basis https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/643614
[01:45] <valorie> huh
[01:45] <valorie> I would want both
[01:45] <wxl> exactly
[01:46] <wxl> i'm not one to question riddell's logic but here... maybbbeeeeee......
[01:46] <valorie> huh
[01:47] <wxl> what's weird is that looking at ubiquity, kubuntu is the only one that uses a separate -restricted package even though there are lubuntu and xubuntu ones
[01:47] <wxl> which is also very weird
[01:47] <valorie> this explains why a few years back in amarok all of a sudden all *buntu users were complaining that they couldn't play mp3 files
[01:47] <wxl> mind you, what i said above ONLY relates to kubuntu
[01:47] <wxl> oh wait
[01:47] <wxl> i take it back
[01:48] <wxl> everyone else gets ubutnu-restricted-addons
[01:48] <valorie> dunno how many people continue to play mp3 from their HD any more
[01:48] <wxl> which is also really freakingw eird
[01:49] <valorie> what does ubuntu-restricted-addons add that ours doesn't and vice-versa?
[01:49] <valorie> if they are the same, we should just use that package
[01:49] <valorie> why keep our own?
[01:49]  * wxl shrugs
[01:50] <wxl> i guess it makes sense for lubuntu but i don't know about anyone else
[01:50] <wxl> unless there's some weird reverse depends
[01:50] <wxl> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=-restricted-
[01:50] <valorie> what makes sense?
[01:50] <wxl> it makes sense for lubuntu to have smoething different
[01:50] <wxl> since we're all abotu as little as possible
[01:51] <wxl> extras ALSO has lame in kubuntu
[01:52] <valorie> what I mean is what is the actual difference?
[01:52] <wxl> i don't know that THAT is much
[01:52] <valorie> and is it worthwhile to continue to support that
[01:53] <wxl> it adds the mp3
[01:53] <valorie> and ubuntu does not?
[01:53] <wxl> right
[01:53] <valorie> so how do vanilla ubuntu people listen to mp3?
[01:54] <wxl> i don't understand the lame thing
[01:54] <valorie> I thought lame was about encoding
[01:54] <wxl> it looks like libmp3lame0 is already in libavcodec-extra57
[01:54] <valorie> but -- no expert here either
[01:54] <wxl> you're right
[01:54] <wxl> the LAME package is actually a front end i think
[01:55] <wxl> yep
[01:55] <wxl> so that's dumb
[01:55] <wxl> kubuntu also includes two packages that say they're not available, so that's broken
[01:55] <wxl> adobe-flashplugin
[01:55] <wxl> libk3b6-extracodecs
[01:56] <wxl> gosh i'm surprised people aren't complaining about this
[01:56] <wxl> it also includes gnash, the swf player for ppc64el only hahahahahah weird
[01:58] <wxl> kubuntu also has gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad (both have -ugly)
[01:58] <nauticalnexus> I have ppc64 :3
[01:58] <wxl> ubuntu also has gstreamer1.0-vaapi and gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3
[02:00] <wxl> see bug 1090671
[02:00] <wxl> oh wait
[02:01] <wxl> i don't know what's up with that
[02:01] <wxl> changelog makes a reference to that which seems weird
[02:02] <wxl> anyways the last change dropped adobe flash "as it will be EOL before end of next LTS"
[02:05] <wxl> at that time they also dropped -bad and added -vaapi
[02:05] <wxl> not sure why actly
[02:06] <valorie> wxl: are you willing to open a phab task about looking at this?
[02:06] <valorie> I see that almost everyone has their own but I've never understood why
[02:06] <wxl> yeah not right now but yes
[02:06] <nauticalnexus> valorie, do you know if they're gonna drop ppc support with bionic
[02:06] <wxl> they're not
[02:06] <wxl> watch debian
[02:06] <nauticalnexus> Not el
[02:07] <nauticalnexus> Er, ppc64el
[02:07] <wxl> they're more likely to keep el
[02:07] <nauticalnexus> I mean like, G5
[02:07] <nauticalnexus> I require ppc support.
[02:07] <wxl> innit that just ppc?
[02:07] <nauticalnexus> Yes.
[02:07] <wxl> right.
[02:07] <nauticalnexus> Well, it's 64-bit ppc
[02:07] <wxl> which is not ppc64el
[02:07] <nauticalnexus> No
[02:07] <nauticalnexus> It's big endian.
[02:08] <nauticalnexus> I found that out the hard way.. heh..
[02:08] <wxl> right
[02:08] <wxl> so afaik ppc is going to remain
[02:08] <nauticalnexus> *buntu is the only distro I've used with G5 support.
[02:08] <nauticalnexus> I'd hate if they dropped it.
[02:08] <wxl> it WILL go away
[02:08] <valorie> fedora doesn't?
[02:08] <wxl> and it will be in a near-ish future
[02:09] <nauticalnexus> valorie, their iso doesn't have the required stuff for my Mac
[02:09] <wxl> i bet freebsd supports it XD
[02:09] <valorie> I wonder what the support window is for 18.04
[02:09] <nauticalnexus> wxl probably lol
[02:10] <wxl> support window? you didn't hear we were going rolling?
[02:10] <nauticalnexus> lmao
[02:10]  * wxl starts rumours; internet explodes
[02:10] <nauticalnexus> Don't go all Arch on us now ;P
[02:11] <valorie> wxl: hush sir!
[02:11] <nauticalnexus> lol
[02:12] <wxl> on that note i'm going home :)
[02:12] <nauticalnexus> alright
[02:12] <valorie> nites wxl
[02:12] <valorie> err, niters
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[12:17] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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[20:43] <acheronuk> wgrant: hi. as discussed the other day, could you please bump the build score bomnus of these staging ppas?;
[20:43] <acheronuk> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks
[20:43] <acheronuk> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma
[20:43] <acheronuk> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications
[20:43] <acheronuk> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-misc
[20:43] <acheronuk> .
[20:43] <acheronuk> also useful if possible would be ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/plasma
[20:43] <acheronuk> as that is handy when there is some danger of unstream tarball respins, but want to get a march on test builds during the time between release to packagers and final release
[20:55] <valorie> :-)
[21:37] <wgrant> acheronuk: Done!
[21:38] <acheronuk> wgrant: much appreciated :)
[21:41] <valorie> \o/
[21:41] <valorie> thank you wgrant
[23:05] <genii> Is it normal behaviour that Discover doesn't find the names of packages which are in PPAs ?
[23:05] <genii> (Actually sorry, in this case, not a PPA but Google's repository for Chrome )
[23:14] <valorie> genii: I think you have to enable "parters" repo
[23:14] <valorie> partners
[23:14] <genii> It's enabled :-/
[23:14] <valorie> hmmm
[23:15] <genii> The only ones which are not are all the deb-src ones
[23:16] <genii> Maybe because no "xenial" ? deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
[23:17] <genii> ( is the only line in there )
[23:17] <valorie> if you search for google-chrome is it found?
[23:17] <valorie> !info google-chrome
[23:18] <valorie> !info google-chrome xenial
[23:21] <genii> Nope, tried that already...
[23:21] <valorie> this is why I don't use software stores, tbh
[23:21] <genii> But whats weird is I already have it installed, and it doesn't show there either
[23:22] <valorie> I suppose buffing up appstream will help
[23:22] <valorie> me too
[23:22] <valorie> although now I use falkon full-time \o/
[23:22] <acheronuk> genii: no appstream data>
[23:22] <genii> Hm
[23:22] <acheronuk> probably
[23:23] <genii> I've set up a dual-boot for my friend with everything working to sync now between Windows and Kubuntu. But Discover can't find stuff and she's hopeless with CLI ...
[23:24] <valorie> muon is better imo
[23:24] <genii> Hm, let me see if that sees PPA/weird repo things
[23:25] <genii> She's a very visual person and a bit dyslexic so I'm trying to make things as simple for her as possible
[23:26] <genii> BTW whoever it is that knows the KDE Connect guy please thank him for letting it be able to use Google Voice as a keyboard...
 Discover only finds apps, not packages. It has to have appstream data
 so if it can't find Chrome or Chromium, that's their fault for not providing appstream data, or your fault for not making it available in the packaging
[23:27] <genii> Maybe I'll file a bug with Google then for them to add it
 FYI I am very interested in hearing honest, unvarnished opinions about Discover so we can improve it
 I know for a fact that Chromium shows up in Discover FWIW
[23:28] <valorie> it is getting better
[23:28] <valorie> doesn't crash all the time
 you don't have to sugar-coat things; I have a thick skin :)
[23:28] <valorie> updater now works, and I usually use that when it prompts me
[23:28] <valorie> rather than the cli
 it's even better in 5.12 now
[23:29] <valorie> I mean, there is nothing simpler than up-arrow in yakuake
 IMHO the 5.11 version was still really rough compared to how we've gotten it now
[23:29] <valorie> amen to that
[23:29] <valorie> but chrome not being found sucks a bit
[23:29] <valorie> we know how to find it, but the new person doesn't
[23:29] <genii> Yeah, muon looks doable, thanks
 what repo is chrome available in? I can take a look
[23:30] <valorie> I like having more info, so I use muon for that if I don't remember the cli commands
[23:31] <valorie> 'deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main'
[23:31] <valorie> https://askubuntu.com/questions/510056/how-to-install-google-chrome
 so that's a pretty horrible user experience quite aside from what Discover does.It looks like the saner way to do it is to download the .deb from their website
[23:40] <valorie> agreed
[23:40] <valorie> I do get updates though
[23:40] <valorie> just got one
 and yes, once I add the repo, Chrome still isn't available in Discover, because they don't provide Appstream data for it
[23:40] <valorie> so *something* works
 so this is basically 100% on Google
 $ appstreamcli search chrome … Unable to find component matching chrome!
 👎
[23:52] <valorie> I wonder if win/mac use anything like appstream