[01:33] <duflu> How is it we have two versions released simultaneously in bionic? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio
[01:34] <sarnold> one is in bionic-release and the other is in bionic-proposed
[01:48] <jbicha> duflu: that's interesting, show it to slangasek :)
[01:49] <duflu> He seems to be uploading as of minutes ago. Maybe it will resolve soon
[01:51] <duflu> Yes, it's fixed now
[01:52] <jbicha> I meant point it out to him since I think it's interesting. I've not seen publishing work like that before but maybe he has
[01:52] <duflu> sarnold, at the time there were two "release (main)" version rows plus a "proposed (main)" row
[01:53] <sarnold> duflu: oh! neat :)
[01:53] <duflu> Steve usually knows what he's doing
[01:53] <duflu> Nothing to see here
[01:54] <jbicha> I would have expected it to just publish u5 and not u4 too
[02:32] <duflu> jbicha, probably not. u4 has been ready for release for a while and u5 is only hours old so worth keeping in proposed
[07:19] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:19] <kenvandine> good morning!
[07:20] <flexiondotorg> Evening desktopers
[07:21] <kenvandine> :)
[07:23] <duflu> Hello oSoMoN, kenvandine, flexiondotorg
[07:25] <oSoMoN> hey kenvandine, flexiondotorg, duflu !
[08:08] <Laney> hi from train ^_^
[08:08] <duflu> Hello trainy Laney
[08:10] <duflu> Oh crap. Trainy is a real word. I didn't mean that
[08:11] <duflu> Hello mobile Laney
[08:28] <Laney> hey duflu
[08:28] <Laney> I'm sitting close enough to first class to pick up the free wifi
[08:32] <duflu> Laney, off to Brussels perhaps?
[08:39] <Laney> that's the badger
[08:43] <dupondje> Somebody knows if there is some bugreport somewhere about crazy lagging on gnome-terminal and wayland? :)
[08:43] <dupondje> or even better, if there is some fix :)
[08:45] <duflu> dupondje, yes I saw that today......
[08:45] <duflu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1746859
[08:45] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1746859 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell wayland is spamming syslog with wl_ messages" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[08:46] <duflu> Oh, sorry. Lagging, not logging
[08:46] <dupondje> :D lagging indeed
[08:46] <duflu> dupondje, what's slow? keystrokes?
[08:47] <dupondje> if there is alot of output on the terminal (like when you tail -f some log or so), it laggs to death :)
[08:52] <willcooke> morning
[08:53] <willcooke> Happy Friday!
[08:54] <duflu> Morning willcooke. Happy Friday
[08:55] <duflu> dupondje, I'm not sure what you mean by "lag" then. Can you describe the problem in different terms?
[08:55] <duflu> Unless you mean the whole GUI slows down when gnome-terminal is busy?
[08:56] <kenvandine> hey willcooke
[08:56] <dupondje> well if there is some command running that gives alot of output, it laggs the whole graphical output on the desktop. Aka real low fps :)
[08:56] <willcooke> hey kenvandine, hows that jet lag?
[08:56] <kenvandine> willcooke, i found that problem with the classic snaps
[08:56] <willcooke> afternoon dupondje
[08:56] <kenvandine> just fine :)
[08:56] <kenvandine> i stayed up pretty late last night to force myself on schedule :)
[08:56] <duflu> dupondje, yes that's a known issue. I am finding the bug for you now...
[08:56] <willcooke> sorry, afternoon duflu, sorry dupondje
[08:57] <kenvandine> willcooke, turns out snapcraft on LP and snapcraft in 17.10 is broken... they needed a rebuild with a newer snapcraft
[08:57] <dupondje> np :)
[08:58] <kenvandine> so i built them with cleanbuild and pushed instead of using LP to build
[08:58] <kenvandine> willcooke, but... that's only amd64
[08:58] <kenvandine> willcooke, the snapcraft update is held up by autopkgtest failures :/
[08:58] <dupondje> duflu: ahh, no solution yet? Cause otherwise wayland seems to be quite response, except the terminal ...
[08:59] <duflu> dupondje, yes it's definitely worse in Wayland and I know why. Just let me find that old bug
[08:59] <dupondje> We still have a whole friday left to fix it? :P
[08:59] <dupondje> guess its a bit harder to fix but ok ;)
[09:01] <willcooke> kenvandine, erk.  thanks for digging in to it
[09:11] <duflu> dupondje, I can't find it. But the reason is that (a) GTK 3.x is software-rendered so any GTK app redrawing quickly will incur high CPU in the shell; and (b) Wayland lacks 2D acceleration that Xorg has to mitigate the problem. GTK 4.0 will be the real fix. Since I can't find the old bug though, please log a new one
[09:12] <duflu> Although a fix may also come in gnome-shell if someone finds a way to optimize CPU-to-GPU texture uploads
[09:13] <duflu> Or some clutter bottleneck in that area, which is plausible
[09:15] <duflu> Recently I've been asking people to log separate bugs for each affected app, because sometimes the app is able to change from being software rendered to hardware rendered sooner (like Firefox did recently?)
[09:18] <dupondje> duflu: ok great! ill log some bug then
[09:19] <dupondje> against gnome-terminal?
[09:19] <duflu> dupondje, yes, and we'll extend it from there
[09:24] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1746949 :)
[09:24] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1746949 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "Terminal laggs (low fps) the whole desktop when fast output" [Undecided,New]
[09:29] <dupondje> duflu: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778926
[09:29] <ubot5> Gnome bug 778926 in Backend: Wayland "[gnome-terminal] Very poor scrolling performance on wayland with high DPI" [Normal,New]
[09:29] <dupondje> guess thats related :)
[09:30] <duflu> dupondje, yeah maybe
[10:02]  * duflu context switches to cooking
[10:15] <dupondje> There isnt a ppa with more recent muter etc? :)
[10:15] <dupondje> mutter*
[13:00] <didrocks> hey hey
[13:16] <willcooke> hey didrocks
[13:20] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[14:05] <dupondje> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778926 cool! seems to have fixed like half of the speed :)
[14:05] <ubot5> Gnome bug 778926 in Backend: Wayland "[gnome-terminal] Very poor scrolling performance on wayland with high DPI" [Normal,New]
[14:26] <doko> oSoMoN: didn't see the lo upload. still planning to do it today?
[14:27] <oSoMoN> doko, unlikely today, I'll be boarding a plane to Brussels in 30 min
[14:38] <doko> well, then doing the no-change upload
[14:41] <oSoMoN> ok
[16:31] <jbicha> doko: FF 59 Beta builds on ppc64el and 59 is due for release in mid-March https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next/+packages
[16:32] <doko> ohh, nice
[16:34] <jbicha> so I guess we'll just until then?
[16:52] <doko> I don't see anything blocking on that
[17:17] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[17:18] <flexiondotorg> willcooke: Is there anything that can be done to get this promoted from proposed?
[17:18] <flexiondotorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/3.20.5-0ubuntu0.16.04.8
[17:19] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: it's already in xenial-updates https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software
[17:20] <jbicha> and it's fully phased: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[17:31] <ochosi> pre-fosdem greetings everyone!
[17:50] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, yeah, what jbicha said :)
[17:58] <willcooke> righty ho, weekend starts here, have a good one all
[23:01] <stormer97> Hey, does anyone here know what upower/upowerd is? `man upowerd` and `man upower` are not terribly enlightening, and some google searching tells me it’s something to do with power management, but not specifically what it’s for.
[23:25] <sarnold> stormer97: you may get a better feel for it if you install d-feet and use that to inspect the dbus services it provides
[23:39] <stormer97> Huh, didn’t know about d-feet, that’s pretty nifty. Thank you!
[23:40] <sarnold> it's pretty cool, but has the worst name ever, I spent five minutes searching around for "dbus socks" and similar before finally stumbling across the *right* name :)