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* Kamilion checks the release schedule01:56
* Kamilion checks cdimage.ubuntu.com01:56
tsimonq2No Alpha 2 either.01:56
Kamilion... What the fuck. This is a LTS. This is unacceptable >.<01:56
tsimonq2dude01:57
tsimonq2Alphas are LITERALLY just snapshots of dailies01:57
tsimonq2You can test with those :)01:57
Kamiliondailys change... daily.01:57
Kamilionno release notes01:57
tsimonq2And? So do Alphas01:57
Kamilionseriously, this is the worst ubuntu LTS release yet *sigh*01:58
tsimonq2Kamilion: Hey, if we had it Xubuntu's way, there would be *NO* milestones.01:58
tsimonq2So be happy.01:58
Kamilionmilestones?01:58
tsimonq2That's what these are.01:58
KamilionI'm confused, usually xubuntu is in on alpha 1 and alpha 201:58
tsimonq2No, they haven't been for a few years now.01:59
Kamilion:/01:59
Kamilionguess shuttleworth's wallet ain't what it used to be.01:59
tsimonq2It's not...01:59
tsimonq2*sigh*01:59
tsimonq2These are community efforts.02:00
tsimonq2Canonical doesn't do these anyways.02:00
Kamilioni know, lu and xu are not canonical02:00
Kamilionspeaking of which02:00
Kamilionis wayland even working yet?02:00
tsimonq2Canonical flavors don't participate at *all* until Final Beta, and Adam does those himself.02:00
tsimonq2Yeah no let's not go there :)02:00
Kamilionno, I'm serious02:00
tsimonq2So am I02:00
Kamilionin 18.04, the main canonical iso's supposed to be wayland02:00
KamilionI couldn't get it to boot in december02:00
tsimonq2No it isn't.02:00
tsimonq2They changed it back.02:01
Kamilion... What.02:01
tsimonq2Yep.02:01
Kamilionxmir... urggh.02:01
tsimonq2no02:01
tsimonq2none of that02:01
tsimonq2Just X1102:01
tsimonq2Only X1102:01
Kamilion... I was just about to scream in frustration02:01
Kamilionthank you for preventing that02:01
tsimonq2You're welcome.02:01
KamilionOn the real though02:01
Kamilionwayland. What's up?02:02
tsimonq2dunno02:02
tsimonq2That's not what this chan is for :D02:02
KamilionAm I running into trouble just because I've got weird GPUs?02:02
Kamilioneh?02:02
tsimonq2No clue man, sorry.02:02
KamilionLXQT's supposed to be working on weston already02:02
tsimonq2#lubuntu's for support, #lubuntu-devel for stuff about Lubuntu, #lubuntu-offtopic, for, well, !(#lubuntu) && !(#lubuntu-devel) :D02:03
Kamilionor is LXQT out of scope for lubuntu now too?02:03
tsimonq2Nope, we're aiming right at LXQt.02:03
tsimonq2More than ever.02:03
tsimonq2But we won't be going Wayland for a while now.02:03
Kamilionwell, I'd go into lubuntu-devel but there's some annoying bot in there that's linked with a discord or slack or something02:03
tsimonq2Telegram02:03
tsimonq2So?02:03
tsimonq2It's linked here too >_>02:03
Kamilionit's spammy.02:03
tsimonq2...02:03
Kamilionso I'm detached02:04
tsimonq2That's... our other group?02:04
tsimonq2We have Telegram, IRC, and Matrix all linked together.02:04
tsimonq2lubot is our communicator.02:04
Kamilionwhat about discord?02:04
tsimonq2Nope.02:04
Kamiliontelegram sucks.02:04
Kamilionso does slack and signal02:04
tsimonq2Discord sucks worse.02:04
tsimonq2Signal is good though.02:04
Kamilion... what02:04
Kamilionwhen was the last time you used discord, lol02:04
tsimonq2Yesterday.02:04
tsimonq2I use it frequently enough to know it sucks.02:05
Kamilion... in what way?02:05
KamilionI've found it to be THE most usable out of all the modern IRC replacements.02:05
Kamilionthe screenshare is a little glitchy02:05
Kamilionbut other than that, I havn't had any real problems.02:05
tsimonq2Everyone has to have their own server.02:05
KamilionOh, that.02:05
tsimonq2It's not FOSS, none of it.02:05
Kamilionuhh02:06
Kamilionyou're way wrong there02:06
tsimonq2Am I?02:06
Kamilionit's all CassandraDB02:06
Kamilionand elasticsearch, I think02:06
tsimonq2The code isn't open.02:06
Kamilionfrontend client's mozilla electron or whatever the name is02:06
Kamilionit's all javascript :P02:06
Kamilionand not obfuscated at all02:07
tsimonq2Anyways, that's not the point, we've decided on it as a team. Telegram, IRC, and Matrix is where we want to be.02:07
KamilionDunno what matrix is.02:07
Kamilioni thought that was an IRC network02:07
Kamilion[DIR]    20180202.1/    2018-02-02 21:14    -02:08
Kamilion[DIR]    20180202/    2018-02-02 16:40    -02:08
Kamilionwhat's .1?02:08
tsimonq2A respin.02:08
Kamilionfor?02:08
tsimonq2We redid the CSS.02:08
Kamilionah.02:08
tsimonq2Look at it :)02:08
KamilionCSS for what?02:08
tsimonq2...the page?02:09
Kamilion?02:09
Kamilionwhat page02:09
Kamilion.1/ is empty02:09
Kamilionmaybe it's still syncing.02:09
tsimonq2Ah, right, I remember slangasek telling me that something went awry that was irrelevant to Lubuntu.02:10
tsimonq2Pinged.02:10
tsimonq2Either way: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/pending/02:10
Kamilion0202 should work, yes?02:10
Kamilionchange was irrelevant?02:10
Kamilionurgh, there's only alternates in here02:10
Kamilionwhat the heck02:10
tsimonq2...02:10
tsimonq2daily is Alternates02:10
tsimonq2daily-live is regular Dailies02:11
Kamilionoh, whoops.02:11
tsimonq2Yeah :)02:11
Kamilionhow the heck did I get into daily02:11
Kamilionhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20180202.1/02:11
Kamilionokay yeah, I see the CSS now02:11
Kamiliondaily's .1 is empty.02:11
Kamilionyeah, that looks spiffy, nice job.02:11
tsimonq2That's @VikingRedwolf's doing. ;)02:12
Kamilionwell, you were obviously on top of getting it in place with the yelling and the pointing and the herding of developers02:12
tsimonq2...?02:13
tsimonq2What are you talking about?02:13
Kamilionyelling at steve in ubuntu-release02:13
tsimonq2Pfft, he's a responsive and friendly guy.02:13
Kamilioni say yelling, but I mean 'talking at, and giving instruction to'02:13
tsimonq2All he needed to do was clone a Git repo, trigger the mirrors, and merge/deploy my MP.02:14
tsimonq2Nothing huge :)02:14
Kamilionbusy people are often too busy to click buttons sometimes02:14
* Kamilion eyes his boss02:14
Kamilionalllllllllllllrighty, I guess I'll just use 0202.1 as my alpha202:14
tsimonq2Not if you're explicit and clear and nice :)02:15
Kamilionmy buildscripts are really pedantic about not using dailys02:15
tsimonq2Then fix them. :P02:15
Kamilioncan't02:15
Kamilionthey work fine for proper releases02:15
Kamilionthe daily ID in /etc/os-release makes it choke02:16
Kamilioni think it doesn't like the parenthesis02:16
Kamilionwell, I guess I can fix it02:16
Kamilionjust rewrite the script in python instead of bash02:16
Kamilionlittle quirks like that are why I stick to milestone images (since you call them that, I will too)02:17
Kamilionhey, speaking of which02:17
Kamilionhave you ever tried to build an ISO from the seeds, outside of launchpad/buildfarm?02:17
tsimonq2Not extensively, but I can point at what tooling is used.02:18
KamilionI've never been able to get a fully working ISO like the buildfarm output.02:18
Kamilionlike, the package pool on the ISO won't be populated02:19
tsimonq2Have you looked at the Magical Things under lp:ubuntu-cdimage?02:19
Kamilionor one or more of the manifests won't be right, or the SHA signature files weren't updated02:19
Kamilionhttps://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/files02:20
KamilionThis doesn't look like it's been touched in ages02:20
tsimonq2Yeah no, you're wrong.02:20
tsimonq2https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline02:21
Kamilionlast changed 2016-09-07 18:18:29 UTC02:21
tsimonq2Recent revisions02:21
tsimonq21707. By Steve Langasek 5 hours ago02:21
tsimonq2We use it for *all* image builds.02:21
Kamilionhttp://puu.sh/zftLQ/82f3ada353.png02:21
tsimonq2Those are just the modification dates for the top-level directories.02:21
Kamilionyeah, which should be updated whenever the contents change.02:22
Kamilionurgh! BAZAAR!02:22
Kamilionf$#%$#%^#$^##02:22
Kamilionwhy can't they do things properly like git02:22
tsimonq2This is why I use a Git interface for Bazaar.02:22
Kamilionthanks, I see the revision tag at the top now02:22
KamilionCommitter: Steve Langasek02:22
KamilionDate: 2018-02-02 21:06:21 UTC02:22
tsimonq2I *never* touch bzr anymore, I do it all through a bidirectional interface.02:22
tsimonq2Right :)02:23
KamilionThat's probably why I never looked very hard every time someone links me there02:23
KamilionI think wxl has, in the past.02:23
tsimonq2https://github.com/felipec/git-remote-bzr02:23
Kamilionhttps://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/files/head:/lib/cdimage/02:24
Kamilionthereeeeeee we go, I see modern dates in there now02:24
tsimonq2:)02:24
tsimonq2I recently added support for seeds to be completely in Git.02:25
tsimonq2That's implemented and Lubuntu no longer does anything in Bazaar.02:25
Kamilioni saw traffic relating to that; but wasn't sure what was going on, and I've been really busy recently02:25
tsimonq2We also bidirectionally mirror everything here: https://github.com/lubuntu-team02:25
tsimonq2(Well, not *everything*, there's still some LP stuff, but that means I haven't touched it lately because every repo I touch gets mirrored now :) )02:26
KamilionAwesome. I see you never took my changes to the seeds02:26
tsimonq2What changes?02:26
tsimonq2Sorry, I lose track of things sometimes...02:26
tsimonq2In any case, you're welcome to write a PR ;)02:26
Kamilionhttps://launchpadlibrarian.net/334001547/kamikazi-meta_0.90_source.changes02:27
Kamilionthe 'lubuntu-server' change I submitted last... august, I think02:27
tsimonq2...submitted where?02:28
Kamilioniunno. I can only see the date from the package build time02:28
tsimonq2(politely) why would we want a lubuntu-server package?02:29
Kamilionand then I just went and built my own package02:29
tsimonq2Lubuntu isn't meant to be run on servers.02:29
Kamilionsays you.02:29
KamilionI say it is.02:29
KamilionAs long as you don't have any of the crufty applications or libraries they pull in.02:29
tsimonq2Want to ask the team at #lubuntu-devel? ;)02:29
Kamilionlubuntu-server was basically lubuntu without the desktop apps.02:29
tsimonq2sooooo lubuntu-core?02:29
Kamilionno abiword, no gnumeric, no transmission02:29
Kamilionno02:29
Kamilionbecause lubuntu-core is missing all the useful tools02:30
tsimonq2so ubuntu-standard?02:30
Kamilionlike gnome-disks02:30
tsimonq2hmm02:30
tsimonq2idk02:30
Kamilionthat's the issue02:30
Kamilionlubuntu-core wasn't enough02:30
Kamilionlubuntu-desktop was too much02:30
Kamilionlubuntu-core is in the middle. you get the settings apps, where -core doesn't.02:30
Kamilionergh02:30
Kamilionlubuntu-server is in the middle. you get the settings apps, where -core doesn't.02:30
Kamilionbut none of the apps; which means, none of the app library dependancies, so eg, no libx26402:31
Kamilionbecause no mplayer, etc, etc02:31
tsimonq2I disagree with having a lubuntu-server package, although you're welcome to A) build your own (I'd prefer if you didn't call it lubuntu-server but eh I'll let it slide B) propose it to the team in #lubuntu-devel02:31
KamilionI do build my own.02:31
tsimonq2Then there ya go :)02:31
Kamilionhttps://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core02:31
KamilionI've been doing it since before you even joined whiteside's channels02:32
tsimonq2I know.02:32
Kamilionbefore linuxpadawan and all that02:32
tsimonq2I mean metapackage.02:32
Kamilionthe biggest problem I have is removing the apps and tracking down all the libraries they brought in02:32
Kamilioni don't need you guys generating the ISO02:32
Kamilionjust having a middleground package would be nice02:32
Kamilionlubuntu-core is nice; especally if you're using mini.iso02:33
Kamilionso don't get me wrong; I am super happy that separation is there02:33
Kamilionbut I think it could be improved a notch02:34
KamilionI like using lubuntu as my upstream desktop environment02:34
Kamilionit solves more problems than LXDE02:34
Kamilionand it looks like windows XP (which is important because I'm dealing with computer illiterate warehouse workers)02:34
tsimonq2That's not our intention.02:35
Kamilionyour intentions don't matter in the process02:35
Kamilionwhat matters is that it works, and works way too well, lol02:35
Kamilionlinux is about people choosing to do things with their system02:35
tsimonq2I'm the Release Manager, it sorta matters what I think irt Lubuntu :)02:35
Kamilionnot being told what can be done02:35
tsimonq2Like I said, you're more than welcome to build your own metapackage. In fact, I encourage it.02:36
tsimonq2But I don't think this should be adopted on the Lubuntu side.02:36
KamilionAnd this is pretty much the same conversation as last time.02:36
KamilionI'm just going to keep coming back and bugging you about it.02:36
KamilionThat's how I've gotten hundreds of changes into debian and ubuntu already02:37
tsimonq2Well it ain't gonna work, my friend.02:37
KamilionI miss the thousand-papercuts tag >.<02:37
tsimonq2But02:37
tsimonq2Like I said02:37
Kamilionyou're wrong.02:37
tsimonq2You're welcome to join #lubuntu-devel and talk to the *whole* team about it.02:37
KamilionIt is working right now.02:37
tsimonq2You're wrong too.02:37
KamilionIt has been since 2012.02:37
tsimonq2And that's Linux :D02:37
Kamilion<tsimonq2> Well it ain't gonna work, my friend.02:37
Kamilionit IS working though.02:38
tsimonq2Poking over and over and over to get your change in isn't gonna get it in in my book unless you have a justification for it that works for the team that's approving your change.02:38
Kamilionhttp://puu.sh/zfukB/206efa803c.jpg02:39
KamilionSee?02:39
tsimonq2That's how it works.02:39
tsimonq2I'm not talking about the *technical* aspect.02:39
Kamilionno, no, see, I get the changes done on the packages.02:39
KamilionAnd when I get things fixed in debian, you guys inherit that.02:39
tsimonq2Nope, src:lubuntu-meta is Ubuntu-only.02:39
Kamilion>02:40
Kamilion?02:40
tsimonq2I'm a MOTU and I have Debian friends who can revert it if you go ahead without the ACK from the team.02:40
Kamilion... I seriously doubt you're going to get my changes to whdd reverted.02:40
KamilionWhy would you even bother?02:40
tsimonq2I mean lubuntu-meta02:40
Kamilionhuh?02:40
tsimonq2What are you even talking about, dude?02:40
tsimonq208:39:23 PM < Kamilion> no, no, see, I get the changes done on the packages.02:41
tsimonq208:39:32 PM < Kamilion> And when I get things fixed in debian, you guys inherit that.02:41
KamilionMost of the fixes I've made have gone into the upstream packages you guys use.02:41
tsimonq2This implied you were going to modify lubuntu-meta.02:41
tsimonq2Right.02:41
tsimonq2Thanks for that.02:41
KamilionWhenever you sync from debian, you get those.02:41
tsimonq2Right.02:41
tsimonq2I'm specifically talking about src:lubuntu-meta here and you're going all over.02:41
KamilionOh, I havn't touched that02:41
KamilionI forked it locally, submitted a .diff and was ignored.02:42
Kamilion"upstream didn't want to take it"02:42
Kamilionit's on the mailing list somewhere.02:42
tsimonq2The rest of ~lubuntu-dev an I are your upstream for lubuntu-meta.02:42
tsimonq2*and02:42
tsimonq2I NACK it.02:42
tsimonq2If gilir ACKs it, I'm cool with it.02:43
tsimonq2That's because he's the dev lead.02:43
tsimonq2But I'd also like a discussion.02:43
tsimonq2With the Lubuntu team.02:43
tsimonq2Likely in #lubuntu-devel.02:43
KamilionI've discussed it with redwolf and wxl at length for multiple years now.02:44
tsimonq2Then if you're going to keep annoying us about it, come to #lubuntu-devel and present your argument.02:44
Kamilion(getting a middle-ground metapackage)02:44
tsimonq2(your words btw)02:44
tsimonq208:36:43 PM < Kamilion> I'm just going to keep coming back and bugging you about it.02:45
KamilionI've never left #lubuntu-devel02:45
tsimonq2Ok02:45
tsimonq2Then come say hi.02:45
tsimonq2Present your idea.02:45
tsimonq2@julienlavergne is on Telegram.02:45
tsimonq2Otherwise there's redwolf and wxl.02:45
tsimonq2Please, present your idea.02:45
KamilionI did.02:45
KamilionIt was accepted for 15.10.02:45
Kamilionand never implimented.02:46
tsimonq2...was it accepted by Phill And Only Phill or the whole team?02:46
KamilionI was trying to get it into 16.04.02:46
Kamilionthat's a good question, and I have no clue02:47
tsimonq2Phill left because we couldn't put up with him making clandestine decisions.02:47
tsimonq2Which is why I'd like to discuss it publicly in the right channel.02:48
tsimonq2Which is #lubuntu-devel.02:48
* Kamilion sighs and throws hands up02:48
tsimonq2¯\_(ツ)_/¯02:48
tsimonq2Sorry man.02:49
KamilionI can't keep up with the spam in there.02:49
KamilionWhich is weird as fuck02:49
tsimonq2...spam?02:49
Kamilionbecause I would expect the bridge to be spamming HERE, not there.02:49
Kamilionall the people asking support questions and non-development chatter02:49
tsimonq2"bridge to be spamming" nonono it doesn't work like that.02:49
Kamilionthat's why I detached02:49
Kamilionthis channel should be the one with all the spam in it from random people02:50
tsimonq2I think we've pretty much gotten to the point where that's gone.02:50
tsimonq2I had to do some warning a few weeks back about that.02:50
Kamilionand -offtopic's been quiet for ages02:51
KamilionI have one message from WXL about an art project, and a mhm from redwolf02:51
* tsimonq2 shrugs02:51
tsimonq2I dunno what to tell you, man.02:51
KamilionI couldn't keep up with all the noise so I detached.02:51
tsimonq2#lubuntu-devel's *the* place02:52
tsimonq2It's gotten better.02:52
Kamilionit's also eyewateringly annoying because lubot's smartcolor is bright ass yellow02:52
tsimonq2Then fix your stuff ;)02:52
Kamilionkvirc refused the patches02:53
tsimonq2Then patch your stuff locally.02:53
Kamilionthey want to remain with the VGA 16 color pallette02:53
KamilionI don't need to02:53
KamilionI can change it with the theme settings02:53
tsimonq2Then do that :)02:53
Kamilionbut I don't want to stop inheriting from the defaults02:53
KamilionI've used this theme unmodified since 200902:54
Kamilion... god, have I really been using the same IRC theme for ten years...02:54
KamilionMeh, nevermind, I realize you've been yelling at me this whole time to 'stay on topic'02:55
KamilionGuess I'll just /detach again02:55
tsimonq2Have fun.02:55
jk^hi all, i've opened vlc media player->Open folder but it doesn't let me open external hard disk connected by usb :\ This drive doesn't appear in the window to choose folders :\08:03
simpledatHi15:46
simpledatI have problem with installing Lubuntu on virtualbox15:46
simpledatThe screen appear as teared up15:46
simpledatAnyone?15:53
simpledatDisplay Corruption16:04
redwolfsimpledat, have you tried to play with the screen settings? I had the same problem, then deactivated the 3D acceleration and it worked16:22
simpledatredwolf: I understand, thank you. I think the 3D and 2D acceleration are disabled by default?16:24
redwolfthen activate it XD16:25
redwolfthat's how mine boots :)16:25
simpledatredwolf: Oh I thought you said to deactive them?16:25
redwolf:)16:26
redwolfplay with that. also give it mor video memory and RAM16:26
redwolf*more16:27
gopal_ Error when installing ubuntu from pendrive https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ApSDDZVruUDeI1a-9XP55-sWupVIYWHi/view?usp=drivesdk17:21
lubuntunoobIn this moment i unstall lubuntu17:48
tsimonq2Uninstall or install?17:48
lubuntunoobHelp for graphic drivers17:48
lubuntunoobSis?17:48
lubuntunoobInstall17:48
tsimonq2Sure, what kind of graphics device are you using?17:48
lubuntunoobSis graphuc card17:49
tsimonq2Ok, what model?17:49
lubuntunoobSis mirage 3 671_77117:52
tsimonq2So what isn't working?17:52
lubuntunoobDisplay is 1024x76817:53
lubuntunoobMy is 136617:53
lubuntunoobI cant install video driver17:54
tsimonq2Is that the most your display will go up to?17:54
tsimonq2(In the monitor settings.)17:54
lubuntunoobMaximum is 102417:55
tsimonq2Hm, so how are you sure it can go up more?17:55
lubuntunoobMust be 1366 x 76817:55
lubuntunoobI will back17:55
lubuntunoobAgain if i cant make to work17:56
lubuntunoob10x17:56
tsimonq2You might try asking in #ubuntu, this doesn't seem to be a Lubuntu-specific issue. :)17:56

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