[01:56] * Kamilion checks the release schedule [01:56] * Kamilion checks cdimage.ubuntu.com [01:56] No Alpha 2 either. [01:56] ... What the fuck. This is a LTS. This is unacceptable >.< [01:57] dude [01:57] Alphas are LITERALLY just snapshots of dailies [01:57] You can test with those :) [01:57] dailys change... daily. [01:57] no release notes [01:57] And? So do Alphas [01:58] seriously, this is the worst ubuntu LTS release yet *sigh* [01:58] Kamilion: Hey, if we had it Xubuntu's way, there would be *NO* milestones. [01:58] So be happy. [01:58] milestones? [01:58] That's what these are. [01:58] I'm confused, usually xubuntu is in on alpha 1 and alpha 2 [01:59] No, they haven't been for a few years now. [01:59] :/ [01:59] guess shuttleworth's wallet ain't what it used to be. [01:59] It's not... [01:59] *sigh* [02:00] These are community efforts. [02:00] Canonical doesn't do these anyways. [02:00] i know, lu and xu are not canonical [02:00] speaking of which [02:00] is wayland even working yet? [02:00] Canonical flavors don't participate at *all* until Final Beta, and Adam does those himself. [02:00] Yeah no let's not go there :) [02:00] no, I'm serious [02:00] So am I [02:00] in 18.04, the main canonical iso's supposed to be wayland [02:00] I couldn't get it to boot in december [02:00] No it isn't. [02:01] They changed it back. [02:01] ... What. [02:01] Yep. [02:01] xmir... urggh. [02:01] no [02:01] none of that [02:01] Just X11 [02:01] Only X11 [02:01] ... I was just about to scream in frustration [02:01] thank you for preventing that [02:01] You're welcome. [02:01] On the real though [02:02] wayland. What's up? [02:02] dunno [02:02] That's not what this chan is for :D [02:02] Am I running into trouble just because I've got weird GPUs? [02:02] eh? [02:02] No clue man, sorry. [02:02] LXQT's supposed to be working on weston already [02:03] #lubuntu's for support, #lubuntu-devel for stuff about Lubuntu, #lubuntu-offtopic, for, well, !(#lubuntu) && !(#lubuntu-devel) :D [02:03] or is LXQT out of scope for lubuntu now too? [02:03] Nope, we're aiming right at LXQt. [02:03] More than ever. [02:03] But we won't be going Wayland for a while now. [02:03] well, I'd go into lubuntu-devel but there's some annoying bot in there that's linked with a discord or slack or something [02:03] Telegram [02:03] So? [02:03] It's linked here too >_> [02:03] it's spammy. [02:03] ... [02:04] so I'm detached [02:04] That's... our other group? [02:04] We have Telegram, IRC, and Matrix all linked together. [02:04] lubot is our communicator. [02:04] what about discord? [02:04] Nope. [02:04] telegram sucks. [02:04] so does slack and signal [02:04] Discord sucks worse. [02:04] Signal is good though. [02:04] ... what [02:04] when was the last time you used discord, lol [02:04] Yesterday. [02:05] I use it frequently enough to know it sucks. [02:05] ... in what way? [02:05] I've found it to be THE most usable out of all the modern IRC replacements. [02:05] the screenshare is a little glitchy [02:05] but other than that, I havn't had any real problems. [02:05] Everyone has to have their own server. [02:05] Oh, that. [02:05] It's not FOSS, none of it. [02:06] uhh [02:06] you're way wrong there [02:06] Am I? [02:06] it's all CassandraDB [02:06] and elasticsearch, I think [02:06] The code isn't open. [02:06] frontend client's mozilla electron or whatever the name is [02:06] it's all javascript :P [02:07] and not obfuscated at all [02:07] Anyways, that's not the point, we've decided on it as a team. Telegram, IRC, and Matrix is where we want to be. [02:07] Dunno what matrix is. [02:07] i thought that was an IRC network [02:08] [DIR] 20180202.1/ 2018-02-02 21:14 - [02:08] [DIR] 20180202/ 2018-02-02 16:40 - [02:08] what's .1? [02:08] A respin. [02:08] for? [02:08] We redid the CSS. [02:08] ah. [02:08] Look at it :) [02:08] CSS for what? [02:09] ...the page? [02:09] ? [02:09] what page [02:09] .1/ is empty [02:09] maybe it's still syncing. [02:10] Ah, right, I remember slangasek telling me that something went awry that was irrelevant to Lubuntu. [02:10] Pinged. [02:10] Either way: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/pending/ [02:10] 0202 should work, yes? [02:10] change was irrelevant? [02:10] urgh, there's only alternates in here [02:10] what the heck [02:10] ... [02:10] daily is Alternates [02:11] daily-live is regular Dailies [02:11] oh, whoops. [02:11] Yeah :) [02:11] how the heck did I get into daily [02:11] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20180202.1/ [02:11] okay yeah, I see the CSS now [02:11] daily's .1 is empty. [02:11] yeah, that looks spiffy, nice job. [02:12] That's @VikingRedwolf's doing. ;) [02:12] well, you were obviously on top of getting it in place with the yelling and the pointing and the herding of developers [02:13] ...? [02:13] What are you talking about? [02:13] yelling at steve in ubuntu-release [02:13] Pfft, he's a responsive and friendly guy. [02:13] i say yelling, but I mean 'talking at, and giving instruction to' [02:14] All he needed to do was clone a Git repo, trigger the mirrors, and merge/deploy my MP. [02:14] Nothing huge :) [02:14] busy people are often too busy to click buttons sometimes [02:14] * Kamilion eyes his boss [02:14] alllllllllllllrighty, I guess I'll just use 0202.1 as my alpha2 [02:15] Not if you're explicit and clear and nice :) [02:15] my buildscripts are really pedantic about not using dailys [02:15] Then fix them. :P [02:15] can't [02:15] they work fine for proper releases [02:16] the daily ID in /etc/os-release makes it choke [02:16] i think it doesn't like the parenthesis [02:16] well, I guess I can fix it [02:16] just rewrite the script in python instead of bash [02:17] little quirks like that are why I stick to milestone images (since you call them that, I will too) [02:17] hey, speaking of which [02:17] have you ever tried to build an ISO from the seeds, outside of launchpad/buildfarm? [02:18] Not extensively, but I can point at what tooling is used. [02:18] I've never been able to get a fully working ISO like the buildfarm output. [02:19] like, the package pool on the ISO won't be populated [02:19] Have you looked at the Magical Things under lp:ubuntu-cdimage? [02:19] or one or more of the manifests won't be right, or the SHA signature files weren't updated [02:20] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/files [02:20] This doesn't look like it's been touched in ages [02:20] Yeah no, you're wrong. [02:21] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline [02:21] last changed 2016-09-07 18:18:29 UTC [02:21] Recent revisions [02:21] 1707. By Steve Langasek 5 hours ago [02:21] We use it for *all* image builds. [02:21] http://puu.sh/zftLQ/82f3ada353.png [02:21] Those are just the modification dates for the top-level directories. [02:22] yeah, which should be updated whenever the contents change. [02:22] urgh! BAZAAR! [02:22] f$#%$#%^#$^## [02:22] why can't they do things properly like git [02:22] This is why I use a Git interface for Bazaar. [02:22] thanks, I see the revision tag at the top now [02:22] Committer: Steve Langasek [02:22] Date: 2018-02-02 21:06:21 UTC [02:22] I *never* touch bzr anymore, I do it all through a bidirectional interface. [02:23] Right :) [02:23] That's probably why I never looked very hard every time someone links me there [02:23] I think wxl has, in the past. [02:23] https://github.com/felipec/git-remote-bzr [02:24] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/files/head:/lib/cdimage/ [02:24] thereeeeeee we go, I see modern dates in there now [02:24] :) [02:25] I recently added support for seeds to be completely in Git. [02:25] That's implemented and Lubuntu no longer does anything in Bazaar. [02:25] i saw traffic relating to that; but wasn't sure what was going on, and I've been really busy recently [02:25] We also bidirectionally mirror everything here: https://github.com/lubuntu-team [02:26] (Well, not *everything*, there's still some LP stuff, but that means I haven't touched it lately because every repo I touch gets mirrored now :) ) [02:26] Awesome. I see you never took my changes to the seeds [02:26] What changes? [02:26] Sorry, I lose track of things sometimes... [02:26] In any case, you're welcome to write a PR ;) [02:27] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/334001547/kamikazi-meta_0.90_source.changes [02:27] the 'lubuntu-server' change I submitted last... august, I think [02:28] ...submitted where? [02:28] iunno. I can only see the date from the package build time [02:29] (politely) why would we want a lubuntu-server package? [02:29] and then I just went and built my own package [02:29] Lubuntu isn't meant to be run on servers. [02:29] says you. [02:29] I say it is. [02:29] As long as you don't have any of the crufty applications or libraries they pull in. [02:29] Want to ask the team at #lubuntu-devel? ;) [02:29] lubuntu-server was basically lubuntu without the desktop apps. [02:29] sooooo lubuntu-core? [02:29] no abiword, no gnumeric, no transmission [02:29] no [02:30] because lubuntu-core is missing all the useful tools [02:30] so ubuntu-standard? [02:30] like gnome-disks [02:30] hmm [02:30] idk [02:30] that's the issue [02:30] lubuntu-core wasn't enough [02:30] lubuntu-desktop was too much [02:30] lubuntu-core is in the middle. you get the settings apps, where -core doesn't. [02:30] ergh [02:30] lubuntu-server is in the middle. you get the settings apps, where -core doesn't. [02:31] but none of the apps; which means, none of the app library dependancies, so eg, no libx264 [02:31] because no mplayer, etc, etc [02:31] I disagree with having a lubuntu-server package, although you're welcome to A) build your own (I'd prefer if you didn't call it lubuntu-server but eh I'll let it slide B) propose it to the team in #lubuntu-devel [02:31] I do build my own. [02:31] Then there ya go :) [02:31] https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core [02:32] I've been doing it since before you even joined whiteside's channels [02:32] I know. [02:32] before linuxpadawan and all that [02:32] I mean metapackage. [02:32] the biggest problem I have is removing the apps and tracking down all the libraries they brought in [02:32] i don't need you guys generating the ISO [02:32] just having a middleground package would be nice [02:33] lubuntu-core is nice; especally if you're using mini.iso [02:33] so don't get me wrong; I am super happy that separation is there [02:34] but I think it could be improved a notch [02:34] I like using lubuntu as my upstream desktop environment [02:34] it solves more problems than LXDE [02:34] and it looks like windows XP (which is important because I'm dealing with computer illiterate warehouse workers) [02:35] That's not our intention. [02:35] your intentions don't matter in the process [02:35] what matters is that it works, and works way too well, lol [02:35] linux is about people choosing to do things with their system [02:35] I'm the Release Manager, it sorta matters what I think irt Lubuntu :) [02:35] not being told what can be done [02:36] Like I said, you're more than welcome to build your own metapackage. In fact, I encourage it. [02:36] But I don't think this should be adopted on the Lubuntu side. [02:36] And this is pretty much the same conversation as last time. [02:36] I'm just going to keep coming back and bugging you about it. [02:37] That's how I've gotten hundreds of changes into debian and ubuntu already [02:37] Well it ain't gonna work, my friend. [02:37] I miss the thousand-papercuts tag >.< [02:37] But [02:37] Like I said [02:37] you're wrong. [02:37] You're welcome to join #lubuntu-devel and talk to the *whole* team about it. [02:37] It is working right now. [02:37] You're wrong too. [02:37] It has been since 2012. [02:37] And that's Linux :D [02:37] Well it ain't gonna work, my friend. [02:38] it IS working though. [02:38] Poking over and over and over to get your change in isn't gonna get it in in my book unless you have a justification for it that works for the team that's approving your change. [02:39] http://puu.sh/zfukB/206efa803c.jpg [02:39] See? [02:39] That's how it works. [02:39] I'm not talking about the *technical* aspect. [02:39] no, no, see, I get the changes done on the packages. [02:39] And when I get things fixed in debian, you guys inherit that. [02:39] Nope, src:lubuntu-meta is Ubuntu-only. [02:40] > [02:40] ? [02:40] I'm a MOTU and I have Debian friends who can revert it if you go ahead without the ACK from the team. [02:40] ... I seriously doubt you're going to get my changes to whdd reverted. [02:40] Why would you even bother? [02:40] I mean lubuntu-meta [02:40] huh? [02:40] What are you even talking about, dude? [02:41] 08:39:23 PM < Kamilion> no, no, see, I get the changes done on the packages. [02:41] 08:39:32 PM < Kamilion> And when I get things fixed in debian, you guys inherit that. [02:41] Most of the fixes I've made have gone into the upstream packages you guys use. [02:41] This implied you were going to modify lubuntu-meta. [02:41] Right. [02:41] Thanks for that. [02:41] Whenever you sync from debian, you get those. [02:41] Right. [02:41] I'm specifically talking about src:lubuntu-meta here and you're going all over. [02:41] Oh, I havn't touched that [02:42] I forked it locally, submitted a .diff and was ignored. [02:42] "upstream didn't want to take it" [02:42] it's on the mailing list somewhere. [02:42] The rest of ~lubuntu-dev an I are your upstream for lubuntu-meta. [02:42] *and [02:42] I NACK it. [02:43] If gilir ACKs it, I'm cool with it. [02:43] That's because he's the dev lead. [02:43] But I'd also like a discussion. [02:43] With the Lubuntu team. [02:43] Likely in #lubuntu-devel. [02:44] I've discussed it with redwolf and wxl at length for multiple years now. [02:44] Then if you're going to keep annoying us about it, come to #lubuntu-devel and present your argument. [02:44] (getting a middle-ground metapackage) [02:44] (your words btw) [02:45] 08:36:43 PM < Kamilion> I'm just going to keep coming back and bugging you about it. [02:45] I've never left #lubuntu-devel [02:45] Ok [02:45] Then come say hi. [02:45] Present your idea. [02:45] @julienlavergne is on Telegram. [02:45] Otherwise there's redwolf and wxl. [02:45] Please, present your idea. [02:45] I did. [02:45] It was accepted for 15.10. [02:46] and never implimented. [02:46] ...was it accepted by Phill And Only Phill or the whole team? [02:46] I was trying to get it into 16.04. [02:47] that's a good question, and I have no clue [02:47] Phill left because we couldn't put up with him making clandestine decisions. [02:48] Which is why I'd like to discuss it publicly in the right channel. [02:48] Which is #lubuntu-devel. [02:48] * Kamilion sighs and throws hands up [02:48] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [02:49] Sorry man. [02:49] I can't keep up with the spam in there. [02:49] Which is weird as fuck [02:49] ...spam? [02:49] because I would expect the bridge to be spamming HERE, not there. [02:49] all the people asking support questions and non-development chatter [02:49] "bridge to be spamming" nonono it doesn't work like that. [02:49] that's why I detached [02:50] this channel should be the one with all the spam in it from random people [02:50] I think we've pretty much gotten to the point where that's gone. [02:50] I had to do some warning a few weeks back about that. [02:51] and -offtopic's been quiet for ages [02:51] I have one message from WXL about an art project, and a mhm from redwolf [02:51] * tsimonq2 shrugs [02:51] I dunno what to tell you, man. [02:51] I couldn't keep up with all the noise so I detached. [02:52] #lubuntu-devel's *the* place [02:52] It's gotten better. [02:52] it's also eyewateringly annoying because lubot's smartcolor is bright ass yellow [02:52] Then fix your stuff ;) [02:53] kvirc refused the patches [02:53] Then patch your stuff locally. [02:53] they want to remain with the VGA 16 color pallette [02:53] I don't need to [02:53] I can change it with the theme settings [02:53] Then do that :) [02:53] but I don't want to stop inheriting from the defaults [02:54] I've used this theme unmodified since 2009 [02:54] ... god, have I really been using the same IRC theme for ten years... [02:55] Meh, nevermind, I realize you've been yelling at me this whole time to 'stay on topic' [02:55] Guess I'll just /detach again [02:55] Have fun. [08:03] hi all, i've opened vlc media player->Open folder but it doesn't let me open external hard disk connected by usb :\ This drive doesn't appear in the window to choose folders :\ [15:46] Hi [15:46] I have problem with installing Lubuntu on virtualbox [15:46] The screen appear as teared up [15:53] Anyone? [16:04] Display Corruption [16:22] simpledat, have you tried to play with the screen settings? I had the same problem, then deactivated the 3D acceleration and it worked [16:24] redwolf: I understand, thank you. I think the 3D and 2D acceleration are disabled by default? [16:25] then activate it XD [16:25] that's how mine boots :) [16:25] redwolf: Oh I thought you said to deactive them? [16:26] :) [16:26] play with that. also give it mor video memory and RAM [16:27] *more [17:21] Error when installing ubuntu from pendrive https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ApSDDZVruUDeI1a-9XP55-sWupVIYWHi/view?usp=drivesdk [17:48] In this moment i unstall lubuntu [17:48] Uninstall or install? [17:48] Help for graphic drivers [17:48] Sis? [17:48] Install [17:48] Sure, what kind of graphics device are you using? [17:49] Sis graphuc card [17:49] Ok, what model? [17:52] Sis mirage 3 671_771 [17:52] So what isn't working? [17:53] Display is 1024x768 [17:53] My is 1366 [17:54] I cant install video driver [17:54] Is that the most your display will go up to? [17:54] (In the monitor settings.) [17:55] Maximum is 1024 [17:55] Hm, so how are you sure it can go up more? [17:55] Must be 1366 x 768 [17:55] I will back [17:56] Again if i cant make to work [17:56] 10x [17:56] You might try asking in #ubuntu, this doesn't seem to be a Lubuntu-specific issue. :)