[00:15] <Arfed> what is the default text editor in ubuntu? when I run latest ubuntu in vmware, I can't use gedit from a terminal.
[00:18] <Arfed> ok nevermind, it is gedit. there's a bug in ubuntu, where you can't fucking load gedit from the terminal...this is making things difficult for me
[00:18] <Arfed> am running 17.10 in vmware, no real modifications to the install
[00:18] <Arfed> I get gtk-warning: cannot open display: :0
[00:18] <Arfed> googling that error really doesn't help me at all
[00:20] <whallz> hello, i have noticed a problem with audio playback, have tried both vlc and audacious, issue happens on both: pitch slightly shifts up and down (i guess something related to cpu priority or similar?)
[00:20] <whallz> any ideas?
[00:21] <whallz> i have both pulseaudio and alsa installed
[00:21] <Arfed> how do you run gedit as root, if you can't launch gedit from a terminal without it giving an error?
[00:22] <whallz> Arfed: tried gksudo gedit ?
[00:22] <Arfed> same error
[00:22] <Arfed> really pissed that something this basic is broken in default 17.10, in vmware
[00:23] <whallz> i think i am late, what's the error?
[00:24] <whallz> what happens if you run "sudo -s" (or "su -") and then call "gedit"?
[00:25] <Arfed> https://i.imgur.com/9vFwoHv.jpg
[00:25] <Arfed> same thing with sudo -s
[00:26] <Ghostbowl> hey can anyone tell me if there's a parallel ssh client for windows?
[00:26] <bazhang> Ghostbowl, try ##windows
[00:27] <Arfed> does ubuntu have a QA team?
[00:27] <Ghostbowl> @bazhang where do I find that
[00:27] <kerrick> I'm getting the following error trying to install libpython3-dev: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!\n  libpython3-dev
[00:27] <jatt> Ghostbowl: putty
[00:27] <bazhang> Arfed, of course yes
[00:27] <Ghostbowl> I tried googling it with not luck
[00:27] <Ghostbowl> putty?
[00:27] <kerrick> This just started about 10 minutes ago
[00:27] <Arfed> ok - does the QA team do tests in e.g. VMWare?
[00:27] <Ghostbowl> oh ok
[00:27] <whallz> Arfed: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+gksudo+cannot+open+display
[00:27] <Ghostbowl> it's an option?
[00:28] <jatt> Ghostbowl: yes, putty
[00:28] <bazhang> whallz, please never lmtgtfy as a support option
[00:29] <whallz> sure, here's the proper QA site response about this issue: https://askubuntu.com/questions/414785/cant-open-gedit-as-root
[00:29] <Arfed> I already said I googled this. the results arent helpful
[00:29] <Ghostbowl> I can't find that option jatt
[00:30] <Arfed> that's not a QA site, that looks like a community side - where users have had to work around ubuntu QA fuckups
[00:31] <bazhang> no cursing here Arfed
[00:31] <Ghostbowl> there's nothing with ##windows
[00:31] <jatt> Ghostbowl: weren't you asking whether "there's a parallel ssh client for windows"?
[00:31] <Ghostbowl> yes
[00:31] <jatt> so
[00:31] <jatt> putty is a ssh client for windows
[00:31] <whallz> Arfed: about that error
[00:31] <Arfed> are you a mod/OP bazhang?
[00:31] <Ghostbowl> no but I want to ssh into 30 computers at the same time to make them all execute the same shell script at the same time
[00:32] <bazhang> Arfed, thats not the issue, this channel keeps it curse free, thanks
[00:33] <jatt> what about the windows part?
[00:33] <apb1963> ubuntu 16.04 I can't seem to get my wireless printer an IP address; it can't see the router/dhcp server.  Any good ideas?  I've been messing with it for literally days.
[00:33] <nrg> what about ncurses
[00:33] <Ghostbowl> I'm doing this from a computer that runs windows, but the thirty computers all run on linux
[00:33] <Arfed> I'll curse as much as I like, as long as it's not towards any other users, thanks. when there's been a QA screwup, which affects basic functioning for ubuntu, some swearing is more than appropriate
[00:33] <Arfed> in fact, swearing seems to coincide with linux use in general sometimes
[00:34] <jatt> Ghostbowl: the right channel for your question is #windows
[00:34] <Ghostbowl> I'm looking for something like this
[00:34] <Ghostbowl> https://github.com/ParallelSSH/parallel-ssh
[00:34] <jatt> !windows
[00:34] <apb1963> Ghostbowl, Do they need to be executed at EXACTLY the same time?  If not, what about writing a shell script that calls ssh in a loop, and simply put it in the background.
[00:34] <apb1963> Ghostbowl, i.e. each ssh is put in the background
[00:35] <Ghostbowl> not exactly at the same time
[00:35] <apb1963> while counter < 30 do; ssh host; done
[00:35] <apb1963> forgot the &
[00:35] <apb1963> ssh host &
[00:35] <apb1963> off the top of my head obviousliy
[00:35] <Ghostbowl> I'm not sure I understand
[00:36] <apb1963> where did I lose you?
[00:36] <jatt> apb1963: he is not using ubuntu but windows
[00:36] <Ghostbowl> I am using ubuntu
[00:36] <Ghostbowl> or I can
[00:36] <jatt> right
[00:36] <Ghostbowl> if it's just a shell script thats fine
[00:36] <apb1963> well that's the first thing that needs to be resolved... where you're launching this ssh process from.
[00:37] <Ghostbowl> I wanted to launch it from a pc, but I can do it from an ubuntu server too
[00:37] <apb1963>  windows has a way to do the same thing... batch file or some such
[00:37] <jatt> !windows
[00:37] <apb1963> But, if you want to do it from one of those 30 servers... setup a cron job... do it once or more often as you see fit.
[00:38] <apb1963> Or just login and do it.
[00:38] <Ghostbowl> ok, I'm kind of new to this
[00:38] <Ghostbowl> so I need to install some software on about 30 servers
[00:39] <Ghostbowl> I'm trying to find the most efficient way possible to do that
[00:39] <apb1963> what software?
[00:39] <jatt> Ghostbowl: there are configuration management tools to do that
[00:39] <Arfed> how do I get ubuntu to get around to fixing a QA problem? it looks like the can't-launch-gedit issue has been a longstanding one for almost 4 years - that's a serious QA screwup
[00:39] <jatt> Ghostbowl: ssh alone is not he most efficient way to do that
[00:39] <Ghostbowl> what do you mean?
[00:39] <heartmeat>  the rise and fall of D.O.D.O.
[00:39] <Ghostbowl> what kind of tools?
[00:39] <jatt> Ghostbowl: for example: https://www.chef.io/implementations/windows
[00:40] <apb1963> chef, puppet are designed for that... but from the description you gave those are prolly overkill.
[00:40] <Ghostbowl> thanks jatt, I didn't know such a thing existed
[00:40] <apb1963> But if it's something you plan to do often... it may be worth investing your time.
[00:41] <jatt> like apb1963 said it might be an overkill for your case. but if you want to do that in a corporate IT environment you might take a look at chef or puppet
[00:43] <Ghostbowl> is there anything like that, that's opensource?
[00:44] <jatt> !chef
[00:44] <apb1963> It really depends on the scenario.  If these are all brand new installs, it might be faster to push images.
[00:44] <jatt> yes, chef is opensource
[00:44] <Ghostbowl> yeah they're brand new installs
[00:44] <Ghostbowl> what do you mean with push images?
[00:44] <Ghostbowl> like preconfigure an image
[00:44] <Ghostbowl> and then upload that?
[00:45] <apb1963> essentially
[00:45] <Ghostbowl> that sounds pretty cool too
[00:45] <apb1963> do like a tftp boot... though I think dhcp is the modern method.
[00:46] <Ghostbowl> what's a tftp boot?
[00:46] <apb1963> Trivial FTP
[00:46] <apb1963> it's a way too boot an image over the net
[00:46] <apb1963> s/too/to
[00:46] <Ghostbowl> oh I did not know that was possible either
[00:47] <apb1963> But again... I believe dhcp supersedes it at this point.
[00:47] <kk4ewt> pxe boot has been able to use ftp for years
[00:48] <Ghostbowl> man, so much stuff I've never heard about
[00:48] <Ghostbowl> I'm gonna try the chef method
[00:48] <Ghostbowl> I might have to configure more computers in the future
[00:48] <bazhang> Ghostbowl, for ubuntu?
[00:48] <Ghostbowl> yes
[00:48] <Ghostbowl> and a couple of windows boxes
[00:48] <Ghostbowl> but right now ubuntu
[00:49] <apb1963> I'm still finding new things I never heard of so... :)
[00:49] <jatt> Ghostbowl: you will need to do a lot of reading, but might be worth it
[00:49] <jatt> Ghostbowl: I mean the chef way
[00:49] <Ghostbowl> yeah I figured that
[00:49] <Ghostbowl> but it looks really cool
[00:50] <Ghostbowl> what's the development kit for?
[00:50] <Ghostbowl> scripting?
[00:51] <jatt> please note there is a #chef channel in freenode
[00:51] <jatt> you might find more help there
[00:51] <Arfed> so, I still can't get gedit opening from a terminal, due to error: Gtk-WARNING: cannot open display
[00:51] <Arfed> the advice in this link does not help me: https://askubuntu.com/questions/414785/cant-open-gedit-as-root
[00:51] <apb1963> Ghostbowl, http://opensourceforu.com/2015/03/ten-tools-for-configuration-management/
[00:51] <Ghostbowl> wiw
[00:51] <Ghostbowl> thank you
[00:52] <Ghostbowl> I'm gonna go read
[00:52] <apb1963> yw
[00:52] <apb1963> enjoy
[00:52] <TJ-> Ghostbowl: for deploying Debian/Ubuntu installs with automatation, look at the standard kickstart+preseed support
[00:52]  * apb1963 just learned something new
[00:53] <TJ-> Ghostbowl: e.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/installation-guide/i386/apb.html
[00:54] <TJ-> Ghostbowl: the 16.04 guide for the same thing is prettier :)  https://help.ubuntu.com/16.04/installation-guide/amd64/apb.html
[00:56] <Arfed> how do I get gedit open as root in 17.10? I keep getting  Gtk-WARNING: cannot open display and no AskUbuntu answers help?
[00:56] <Arfed> this is basic stuff - I'm completely blocked...
[00:57] <jatt> use sudo
[00:57] <Arfed> to clarify: all attempts at opening gedit from terminal fail with that error
[00:57] <Arfed> sudo or not
[00:57] <bazhang> jatt, he's in a vmware
[00:58] <TJ-> Arfed: if it's using Wayland compositor, that doesn't allow root access via GUI, have you use an 'xhost' workaround
[00:58] <Arfed> when I call xhost I get the same error
[00:58] <Arfed> xhost: uinable to open display ":0"
[00:59] <TJ-> Arfed: see this answer for a lot if detail https://askubuntu.com/questions/961967/why-dont-gksu-gksudo-or-launching-a-graphical-application-with-sudo-work-with-w
[01:00] <djapo> hello, has anyone seen that weird ad on youtube where their are staircase and a shadow in the shape of a parallelogram walks forward .. and it has a face
[01:00] <Arfed> does the ubuntu team and QA team not it is a major problem for basic functionality to break like this and required this kind of messing around?
[01:00] <Arfed> * not view it as
[01:00] <bazhang> djapo, this is ubuntu support only
[01:00] <Arfed> I can't even run the xhost command that is required for fixing it...
[01:00] <Arfed> so that AskUbuntu is useless to me
[01:01] <xoxo> anyone have experience with DreamFactory?
[01:01] <xoxo> im trying to install it on ubuntu
[01:01] <xoxo> but running into some problems
[01:01] <djapo> sorry, just thought someone would have seen it too .. Love linux
[01:01] <Arfed> how did 17.10 ever get past QA...
[01:01] <Arfed> going to thrash this VM and go back to LTS
[01:01] <bazhang> xoxo, installing how and from where
[01:02] <xoxo> installing on a digitalocean server from terminal
[01:02] <xoxo> on my computer
[01:02] <bazhang> djapo, #ubuntu-offtopic for chatter
[01:03] <apb1963> ubuntu 16.04 I can't seem to get my wireless printer an IP address; it can't see the router/dhcp server.  Any good ideas?  I've been messing with it for literally days.
[01:03] <xoxo> bazhang: would you like to see my error
[01:04] <Arfed> it's not even a VMWare problem either - it's the base 17.10 itself is pretty much saddled with a gigantic QA problem that's going to be a pain for a huge portion of the userbase. terrible terrible handling of this from whoever is in charge of releases and QA
[01:05] <bazhang> xoxo, where is this dreamfactory downloaded from, regular ubuntu repos, a private archive, or some third party source
[01:06] <xoxo> http://wiki.dreamfactory.com/DreamFactory/APT/Ubuntu_16.04/Installation#DreamFactory - git clone https://github.com/dreamfactorysoftware/dreamfactory.git ./
[01:08] <apb1963> Arfed, I resolved this issue ages ago, sadly I don't remember the details, however I think xauth may have been part of it.  Something here should spark some ideas: https://serverfault.com/questions/51005/how-to-use-xauth-to-run-graphical-application-via-other-user-on-linux
[01:09] <Arfed> thanks, but I just thrashed the VM and am downloading LTS. I find it hard to believe that there is such a major QA problem in a release like this. But then, I'll admit this has been my experience every time I've ever used an Ubuntu install. The QA for this project is atrocious
[01:12] <xoxo> bazhang: any ideas?
[01:12] <bazhang> xoxo, about some git install?
[01:13] <xoxo> bazhang: https://snag.gy/tH0M4d.jpg
[01:13] <xoxo> that's my problem
[01:13] <bazhang> xoxo, sounds like you should contact the git maintainers, file bugs wiuth them
[01:13] <bazhang> with
[01:21] <Dserge> Quick question, is there any way to change the default location Nautilus opens in? It opens between my two monitors so I constantly have to drag it over everytime I open it.
[01:21] <xoxo> k
[01:27] <misc--> ickserv identify notused.
[01:27] <misc--> dickhead
[01:29] <boblamont> In many, if not all, web browsers, when you download the same file twice, it appends a number to the name, i.e. file.txt, file(1).txt... Are there any file managers (preferably with drag and drop) that can do that? Usually the options are only to replace or rename.
[01:32] <Arfed> great even LTS has the Gtk-WARNING: cannopt ne display: :0 error
[01:32] <Arfed> so it's not even a wayland issue
[01:33] <Arfed> dozens of AskUbuntu pages on the issue, and none of them with a solid solution
[01:34] <[n0mad]> works fine for me on LTS..probably doesn't help you much
[01:34] <Arfed> did you have to configure anything to get it working, when first installed?
[01:35] <TJ-> Arfed: where are you executing the command from? A console shell, or a terminal emulator shell?
[01:35] <TJ-> Arfed: or an SSH shell?
[01:36] <Arfed> terminal
[01:36] <TJ-> Arfed: and what is the exact command you're issuing?
[01:37] <Arfed> okey I finally got it the xhost workaround here works in LTS but not 17.10 (even though it's meant for 17.10):
[01:37] <Arfed> https://askubuntu.com/questions/614387/gksu-gtk-warning-cannot-open-display-0
[01:37] <[n0mad]> i didn't configure anything, it just works
[01:37] <Arfed> Ubuntu's QA team needs to get this repro'd and fixed immediately. simply running 17.10 or LTS in VMWare and trying to run gedit in a terminal is sufficient repro
[01:38] <TJ-> !bug | Arfed
[01:39] <bazhang> Arfed, please state the exact command you were issuing
[01:39] <Arfed> forget it. I'm not wasting any more time with this to file a bug report. it's QA's job to get on top of issues like this
[01:40] <Arfed> I've alrady lost around 2 hours to this
[01:40] <bazhang> Arfed, that is not going to happen unless we get some exact errors/exact commands issued
[01:40] <Arfed> it's simple. install LTS or 17.10 on VMWare, open terminal then type sudo gedit
[01:41] <TJ-> looks like Bug #1449748
[01:43] <Arfed> man this bug is ancient/longstanding judging by that...bump that up to maximum priority
[01:43] <Arfed> this is the kind of thing which turns users away for good - I'm only persisting because I have to for work
[01:45] <TJ-> Arfed: that report isn't a bug, it's user error. They're trying to use session cookies/auth of another user when logged in as root. As they say, "from a user terminal, " gedit" and "gksu gedit" both work just fine."
[01:45] <Arfed> gksu gedit does not work.
[01:45] <nojitron> hi guys is there a difference between a vpn scrambler and say a vpn (ipvanish)
[01:45] <Arfed> I had to do the workaround I linked to get it working.
[01:45] <Arfed> gedit does not work.
[01:47] <tomreyn> nojitron: that's not really an ubuntu issue, maybe try ##networking or ##security
[01:47] <nojitron> just a once off i know this is ubuntu channel-this is my go to channel as i use linux and find linux users better understand most of my it related questions
[01:47] <nojitron> understood thanks will do
[01:48] <nojitron> hav a lovely day all
[01:48] <tomreyn> you, too
[01:48] <Arfed> if someone is involved with ubuntu or QA and has vmware, take a few mins to install 17.10 or LTS in a fresh VM, then open a terminal, and type gedit or sudo gedit or (after installing it) gksudo gedit
[01:49] <Arfed> easy repro.
[01:49] <TJ-> Arfed: as og 16.04 tools should be using policykit, via pkexec, not gksudo/gksu. That began being phased out immediately after 14.04
[01:50] <Arfed> fine I'll start up another fresh/throwaway VM and see if that still has an isuse
[01:50] <TJ-> Arfed: gksudo shouldn't even be installed on 17.10, it's in the universe repo
[01:50] <Arfed> but if I end up wasting my time I'm going to give out about others not putting the effort in too...
[01:51] <TJ-> Arfed: make a bug report; this channel is for support not venting. If you want to vent try #ubuntu-discuss
[01:51] <Arfed> I will not make a bug report I've wasted enoguh time and if QA cant do their job then I'm not going to bother doing it for them...
[01:52] <bazhang> Arfed, then sign up with the existing bug, please dont use this channel as a rant station
[01:52] <TJ-> Arfed: fine, then please stop venting, this channel is for support questions
[01:53] <fun0> hello, how can I merge /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1
[01:54] <fun0> accidentally wrote a nimage to /dev/sdb1 and now the two filesystems can't be merged
[01:54] <fun0> both are now empty
[01:54] <TJ-> fun0: They're already the same thing, sdb 'contains' sdb1
[01:54] <fun0> @TJ- but I can't write an image on /dev/sdb because the fs is too small(?)
[01:54] <fun0> @TJ- methinks I bunkered the ssd somehow
[01:54] <TJ-> fun0: sdb1 simply starts several sectors into sdb.. so do you want to 'move' sdb1 to be start of the device?
[01:55] <fun0> TJ- I want to merge them all so I can write the image to /dev/sdb correctly
[01:55] <fun0> TJ- I used dd to image something on /dev/sdb1
[01:55] <TJ-> fun0: I'm confused, if that's wrong, simply write the image again but use "dd of=/dev/sdb ..."
[01:56] <fun0> TJ- but /dev/sdb only has 4 GiB of space, even though the whole drive is 114G
[01:56] <fun0> dev/sdb1 however has 111GiB available
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> Arfed: bugs are highly reccomended as they can help yourself and the community identify and solve issues
[01:56] <TJ-> fun0: how are you determining those numbers, what tool are you using?
[01:56] <fun0> TJ- fdisk, gparted
[01:56] <bazhang> lotuspsychje, bug reporting :)
[01:57] <apb1963> fun0, screenshot
[01:57] <TJ-> fun0: can you show us "pastebinit <( sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb) "
[01:57] <TJ-> bazhang: tehehehe I just got that :D
[01:57] <fun0> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/26516256/
[01:57] <bazhang> bugs, not so much
[01:57] <TJ-> bazhang: thanks for making me laugh out loud
[01:58] <fun0> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/26516257/ is for /dev/sdb1
[01:58] <TJ-> fun0: !$L^&)$)£!!! What the heck of you done there? :D
[01:59] <TJ-> fun0: you've managed to somehow change the block device links?
[01:59] <lotuspsychje> bazhang: yeah lol
[01:59] <TJ-> fun0: show us "pastebinit /proc/partitions"
[01:59] <fun0> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/26516263/
[02:02] <TJ-> fun0: have you accidentally mounted something on top of /dev/sdb1 ? Can you show us "pastebinit /proc/mounts"
[02:02] <fun0> TJ- https://paste.ubuntu.com/26516273/
[02:03] <TJ-> fun0: /proc/partitions shows sdb is 4 blocks bigger than sdb1, and as the physical sectors for sdb1 report as 4096 bytes, that makes total sense
[02:05] <TJ-> fun0: hmmm, is it GPT with a strange protective MBR? "pastebinit <( sudo gdisk -l /dev/sdb )"
[02:06] <fun0> TJ- https://paste.ubuntu.com/26516291/
[02:08] <TJ-> fun0: ouch, something wrong there! You say /dev/sdb is an SSD?
[02:10] <fun0> TJ- yes
[02:10] <TJ-> fun0: what does this report?  "readlink -e /sys/block/sdb/device"
[02:11] <fun0> TJ- /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb3/3-2/3-2:1.0/host3/target3:0:0/3:0:0:0
[02:12] <TJ-> fun0: OK, so it's on a USB<>ATA bridge. I suspect that bridge has failed, either permanently or just for this power cycle. I think you have to remove the USB cplug from PC, remove any external power from the USb device, give it a few seconds, re-power, and re-connect to PC, and check
[02:13] <TJ-> fun0: I've seen a lot of cheap/low-quality USB<>ATA bridge chipsets die when you do a sustained write through them, such as 'dd'ing a large disk image - my hypothesis is they overheat
[02:14] <fun0> TJ- indeed
[02:14] <fun0> TJ- how would that mess with the MBR? my current system can detect the two different partitions
[02:20] <TJ-> fun0: There are many ways things can get confused, but the point is, the system is obviously confused, so you need to unconfuse it
[02:20] <TJ-> fun0: there may be clues in dmesg / /var/log/kern.log - I/O errors, device resets, etc.
[02:29] <fun0> TJ- k thanks
[02:34] <eric_> hello
[02:34] <eric_> hi
[02:34] <eric_> hi
[03:11] <badboyjer> whats up ppl
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> badboyjer: welcome, what can we do for you?
[03:14] <badboyjer> nothing much just saying hi
[03:20] <scootley> Anyone know the default partition layout that the 16.04 installer will recommend or implement when installing from a live USB? (machine is laptop with single hard drive)
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> scootley: partitioning is really the users choice
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> scootley: do you have any special needs/plans or happy with the default partitioning from setup?
[03:21] <scootley> lotuspsychje: right but there is no default supplied for users who want it to be automatic? (I don't have the installer running so I can't check)
[03:22] <scootley> lotuspsychje: no special plans
[03:22] <scootley> lotuspsychje: just want to know what that default is.  presumably there is one and the user is not left to just figure it out from nothing
[03:23] <scootley> I tried searching documentation for it but didn't see it any place that seemed official and up to date
[03:25] <scootley> to be clear, I don't need help figuring out a partitioning scheme, I really just want to know what the defaults are
[03:28] <TJ-> scootley: if you choose FDE it'll use LVM, not sure if it'll use LVM regardless. I think it will use 2 partitions/LVs, one for rootfs and one for /home/, but it's a long time since I checked on that
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | scootley
[03:29] <apb1963> My wireless printer can't find my router which is ubuntu 16.04.  Any good ideas?
[03:30] <scootley> TJ-: ok thanks
[03:30] <scootley> oh is ubottu a bot?
[03:30] <apb1963> I've already spent literally days trying to resolve this.
[03:31] <scootley> lotuspsychje: thanks although I don't see the defaults documented on that page or the ones it links to
[03:33] <TJ-> scootley: I'm checking it now , but with the 18.04 desktop installer
[03:33] <scootley> TJ-: that's probably close enough. thanks!
[03:34] <TJ-> I don't think the d-i (debian-installer) partman options for the installer will have changed
[03:34] <scootley> ya probably not (or not too much)
[03:35] <TJ-> I'm guessing it'll set some % split if it creates multiples, with a sensible minimum
[03:35] <scootley> ya I am curious about what that % split is and what it does for swap and presumably it is ext4+journaling
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> scootley: mechanical hd or ssd?
[03:38] <scootley> lotuspsychje: ssd
[03:42] <TJ-> scootley: arghh, "You need at least 8.4 GB disk space to install Ubuntu. This computer only has 0.0 B. " :D
[03:43] <scootley> ha
[03:44] <TJ-> another bug! I gave it an 8GB LV
[03:59] <TJ-> wow! it's a proper bug; I get it with 16GB allocated
[04:01] <TJ-> Bug #1747228
[04:04] <MK> Hey guys I need some help: I went to dismount a hard drive and it went into a pending state, kinda froze. I clicked to cancel the unmount but it was no longer mounted... once the hard disk spinned down, I turned it off to prevent any problems. But, the disk still shows in the Disk utility, and my system load keeps climbing. How can I fix this?
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> MK: see what happens in your syslog?
[04:20] <MK> yeah kernel threw a bunch of messy errors. Right now the disk utility shows it still there even though it's disconnected... like it's hung on trying to look at it or something
[04:21] <MK> my system load is sky high but it's not affecting performance so I think it's related to trying to do something it can't?
[04:27] <MK> Hm it is mount and umount that are hanging. Can I safely kill those processes?
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> MK: did you do a smart test?
[04:32] <MK> Yeah I did one just yesterday per chance, the disk is fine
[04:36] <seiburii> has anyone here used debootstrap to install ubuntu to armhf device?
[04:39] <MK> ok after googling this for some time I'm pretty sure these processes are stuck in the kernel right now so I'm just going to reboot
[04:46] <ghostnik11> hey i put mate on my ubuntu 16.04 b/c i thought it would be a better desktop environment but now i want it off along with all of the mate things that came with it, how can i uninstall all the mate stuff from terminal?
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> seiburii: try #ubuntu-arm mate
[04:50] <MK> Update: yeah I must have hit a driver bug. System couldn't even shut down since it couldn't kill the umount process, had to cut power! Crazy.
[04:50] <EoflaOE> ghostnik11: What does 'sudo apt-get purge mate*' return? please use pastebin
[04:52] <ghostnik11> EoflaOE, it returns this: https://pastebin.com/Rm8vvktw
[04:53] <ghostnik11> EoflaOE, it seems like it will remove everything, i will go and hit accept
[04:54] <EoflaOE> read what packages does it have to remove, and then confirm
[04:55] <EoflaOE> Everything is ok. You may accept
[04:57] <ghostnik11> EoflaOE, yeah i already accepted it thanks bro
[04:58] <EoflaOE> you are welcome
[05:03] <xoxo> is there a JSON or REST api channel on freenode?
[05:05] <nacc> !alis | xoxo
[05:06] <LordJohn> need help, my / is on /sda1 and I want to transfer this system on sda6, can it be done?
[05:06] <LordJohn> im using trusty KDE
[05:08] <EoflaOE> LordJohn, There is clonezilla. I didn't test it yet but it might fit your needs
[05:10] <LordJohn> EoflaOE, reading it rn, will update in a few min
[05:10] <EoflaOE> ok
[05:22] <TJ-> LordJohn: is sda6 the same size as sda1 ?
[05:22] <EoflaOE> Yesterday I installed a previous version of Firefox and it worked. I installed 2 of the plugins, old version of Ad-block Plus and the multiple file downloader. Today, I installed an old version of Browsec and then Firefox crashed. I restarted Firefox, but it keeps crashing. I am on Xubuntu 17.10.1. Firefox version is 49.
[05:22] <LordJohn> sda6 is larger than sda1
[05:23] <LordJohn> TJ-, EoflaOE seems like i'll try using clonezilla to clone, using partition to partition option
[05:23] <EoflaOE> ok.
[05:23] <LordJohn> thanks for your help, brb
[05:23] <TJ-> LordJohn: there's a trick I sometimes use, create an MD mirror (with no metadata) wait for the device to sync then break the mirror and change the fstab entry to point to the preferred device, grub-install, update-grub, and good to go
[05:24] <LordJohn> MD mirrir?
[05:24] <TJ-> LordJohn: Linux's multiple device managment layer, a RAID-1 mirror is two block devices
[05:24] <LordJohn> care to explain more?
[05:25] <LordJohn> sda1 and sda6 is on same harddisk
[05:25] <LordJohn> its just different partition, will it works?
[05:25] <TJ-> LordJohn: so you use mdadm to create a mirror with sda1 as the primary, then add sda6. The kernel then syncs the content of sda1 to sda6 (monitored via /proc/mdstats)... once the sync is complete break the mirror, update fstab etc and reboot
[05:27] <LordJohn> TJ-, I use mdadm from running system or via live system?
[05:27] <hanasaki> EW-7822ULC  <= can someone confirm if this works in linux?  and if it works without any extra download drivers etc?
[05:29] <TJ-> LordJohn: from running system, no downtime required
[05:30] <TJ-> LordJohn: if you can hang on a few minutes I'll test it works here
[05:31] <LordJohn> TJ-: i still try to read more about it
[05:52] <TJ-> LordJohn: Here's the commands I used for my test. If you do this you'd start at line 12 "# create an MD RAID mirror ..." and alter the device paths to match your /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda6 instead of my /dev/VG_DATA/sda1 and /dev/VG_DATA/sda6
[05:52] <TJ-> LordJohn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26517079/
[06:05] <hanasaki> any thoughts on a USB dongle that supports 802.11ac ?
[06:07] <ggez> I installed systemd-boot using bootctl and how can I set a splash screen for it ?
[06:18] <seiburii> hello when compiling a kernel, if an option in your config file is commented out or not set, will you always be asked for it?
[06:21] <cyberspectre> How can I set up a constant audio stream from my windows computer to my ubuntu computer?
[06:22] <GizmoRomick> Could anyone tell me, in a markdown formatted document, if there is a way to insert a block of text that will not be markdown formatted
[06:23] <ix_> hello, where can I find a copy of the default blacklist.conf?
[06:29] <Croepha> Hello :)  So im trying to get a ubuntu (14.04) system working on some older (~2007 era) hardware.  I've got it installed to a USB drive and I did an apt update/upgrade on it and now it wont boot.  Grub comes up, but it's like it hasn't loaded a config.  I already tried running grub-install via chroot from a ubuntu 12.04 system on another drive and it doesn't seem to have an effect...  When grub comes up it is able to mount and browse the ext4 root
[06:29] <Croepha> filesystem, but when I try to cat grub.cfg it reads like a binary file, when I try to cat it from the chroot it reads like a nomral text file... any ideas?
[06:33] <Croepha> I would like to amend my last statement, I am trying to get a 16.04 system working, and my chroot host was 14.04
[06:37] <Amm0n> Croepha, after grub-install you create a grub.cfg with update-grub or something?
[06:38] <Croepha> Amm0n: I am using stop grub.cfg, im not intending to do anything clever here
[06:38] <Croepha> Amm0n: meant to say "stock grub.cfg"
[06:39] <Croepha> like it reads fine from linux, but the same file reads as garbage from grub
[06:40] <Amm0n> did you ran update-grub after grub-install?
[06:41] <Croepha> Amm0n, nope, should I? Ill try that.  from my understanding thats the opposite order of things but im not an expert of-course
[06:42] <Amm0n> yes you should. this command creates a grub.cfg file
[06:43] <Amm0n> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[06:48] <TreyNTX69> Can someone pls help me get my python script to run under my user cron?
[06:53] <TreyNTX69> *I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 w/xfce4
[06:53] <TreyNTX69> Here's what I've done:
[06:53] <TreyNTX69> * I added it to my cronfile via crontab command.
[06:53] <TreyNTX69> * I added it to run every minute (the script takes about 1 second to run)
[06:53] <TreyNTX69>      * * * * * /home/trey/python/weather/wxtracker.py
[06:53] <TreyNTX69> * I also added a blank line after my entry to make sure there was a crlf
[06:57] <Amm0n> TreyNTX69, it should be something like */10 * * * * /usr/bin/python script.py
[06:59] <Amm0n> TreyNTX69, and you should use a paste service to paste more lines
[06:59] <Aguml> Hola ¿Algún canal de Ubuntu para hispanos?
[07:00] <TreyNTX69> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26517258/
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[07:02] <guest-i3KIvp> hello
[07:06] <Aguml> Tengo problema con lubuntu y touchpad
[07:07] <krytarik> !es | Aguml
[07:07] <Aguml> Thanks
[07:09] <Croepha> Amm0n: Thanks for the feedback, it works now after an update grub... still find it strange that the same file apeared differently in grub cat vs the mount, but maybe im too tired to be doing this anyway... thanks :)
[07:09] <Amm0n> TreyNTX69, maybe you get an error if you add * * * * * /usr/bin/python3.5 /home/trey/python/weather/wxtracker.py >> /tmp/log 2>&1
[07:09] <Amm0n> Croepha, yw
[07:11] <TreyNTX69> Amm0n: Thanks... trying that now...
[07:14] <TreyNTX69> It created a 0 byte log
[07:17] <TreyNTX69> interestingly, though, it only created it once. It should have been overwritten several times by now, but it's still just the old 0 byte log created about 4 mins ago
[07:19] <TreyNTX69> Ok. I figured out what it's doing. It's running... but putting the output in a strange place.
[07:19] <TreyNTX69> Thanks Amm0n. :D
[07:25] <Amm0n> TreyNTX69, maybe you could create another crontab to use it with another user: crontab -u <username> -e
[07:26] <Amm0n> TreyNTX69, i don't use cron often and i'm still learning
[07:27] <TreyNTX69> Amm0n: that's ok. You still helped me find the problem. I can correct it now. My script, when running under cron was putting the output into the wrong folder.
[07:28] <TreyNTX69> I just need to add the current working folder to the path of my output file so it lands in the correct place when running under cron
[07:28] <nils_> hi, I'm having a bit of a senior moment, somehow SDDM doesn't offer me a session to select (I have plasma, cinnamon and lxqt installed).
[07:31] <ducasse> nils_: what's in /usr/share/xsessions?
[07:33] <ggez> I installed systemd-boot using bootctl and how can I set a splash screen for it ?
[07:33] <ggez> i'm using ubuntu
[07:37] <ducasse> does systemd-boot even support a splash screen?
[07:40] <nils_> ducasse, aforementioned sessions. (cinnamon2d.desktop  cinnamon.desktop  lxqt.desktop  plasma.desktop)
[07:41] <ducasse> nils_: ok, so they _are_ there. you've tried restarting sddm, i assume?
[07:43] <nils_> ducasse, yes
[07:45] <ducasse> nils_: try asking in #kubuntu, they probably have much more experience with sddm
[07:47] <nils_> ducasse, will do, thanks.
[07:50] <nils_> might as well switch to lightdm for the time being ;)
[07:51] <ducasse> that's another option :)
[08:35] <matyd918> So i
[08:35] <matyd918> damnit, i'm new to ubuntu. I've got an issue with the keyboard though, the cursor moves and its very eratic
[08:36] <matyd918> Takes me forever to get a sentence typed because i keep having to either click the text field so tha ti can continue typing to delete letters in between words because it's moving around so much
[08:37] <matyd918> any ideas or help would be awesome, ubuntu 16.04, dell inspiron 15 3567
[08:38] <EriC^^> matyd918: try settings > mouse & touchpad for anything useful
[08:38] <EriC^^> maybe disable tap to click
[08:38] <matyd918> I've been in those settings, let me try that
[08:40] <stumper_> i have some weird hardware issues
[08:40] <stumper_> i cant get my head wrapped around it
[08:40] <matyd918> I disabled tap to click, I'll give it a few minutes and see if that helped. Seems to have helped. Thanks eric
[08:40] <soogy_> duckydan, it does support a splash screen during kernel booting
[08:40] <stumper_> i have two seperate devices, two different rooms, both refuse to give hdmi output
[08:41] <stumper_> no signal, both worked fine yesterday
[08:42] <stumper_> it doesnt make any sense
[08:43] <varaindemian> why do I keep seeing this when  try to update? https://paste.debian.net/1008715/
[08:43] <varaindemian> could someone please help here?
[08:44] <ducasse> varaindemian: you're on yakkety, that's eol a long time ago
[08:44] <ducasse> !eol
[08:45] <varaindemian> ducasse: thank you how can I safely update?
[08:46] <ducasse> varaindemian: you need to upgrade to zesty, then to artful. see the link from ubottu.
[08:58] <soogy_> I installed systemd-boot using bootctl and how can I set a splash screen for it ?
[09:10] <luxio> I have an alias set to `sudo !!`, but when I use it, it says "sudo: !!: command not found"
[09:10] <luxio> But when I do `sudo !!` in the terminal alone, it works fine
[09:12] <calico> akik, the flashing is back...
[09:15] <calico> akik, interestingly enough only flashed a few times and it stopped. Previously it wouldn't stop until I rebooted
[09:16] <EriC^^> luxio: try adding a space at the end of the alias, e.g "alias bla='sudo !! '"
[09:16] <EriC^^> luxio: nevermind, doesn't work
[09:17] <luxio> I found a solution
[09:17] <luxio> 'sudo $(fc -ln -1)'
[09:18] <EriC^^> luxio: cool
[09:24] <luxio> Why aren't I getting any notifications when I should get one?
[09:24] <luxio> For example when I'm pinged on HexChat, the icon in the taskbar doesn't start blinking
[09:25] <luxio> (I'm running artful)
[09:30] <maret> hello from security point of view. should I create new user for every web application which runs on my server so I would have app1User app2User etc?
[09:31] <erandi> hi
[09:31] <erandi> aaaaaaaaaa
[09:32] <helloSir> Why do i need to login with the specific user to enable systemctl --user when i made a .service file where it tells user=username
[09:37] <helloSir> Service won't start if i don't login via ssh
[09:37] <helloSir> when i login it auto starts
[09:38] <helloSir> on ubuntu server lts
[09:48] <maik427> !Trainfiles Phoebe Robinson - You Can't Touch My Hair- And Other Things I Still Have to Explain (retail) (epub).epub
[09:50] <bazhang> maik427, no warez/file sharing here
[09:54] <calico> I just discovered Cron with relation to automatic blocking of tracking and ads via the host file. Is there a GUI for Cron in Ubuntu?
[10:01] <ikonia> calico: what does cron have to do with blocked adverts ? it's a task scheduler
[10:02] <ikonia> calico: also cron is a very simple text file format, while I'm sure there will be guis available for it, you'll probably find it easier to just use the text editor, more so when the cron layout, user / system / timed events may have problems if it's hardcoded in the guis
[10:02] <calico> ikonia, the page says "Download the following two files (or use a daily cronjob to do it automatically)"
[10:03] <calico> I have no idea how to that though, Googled cron but didn't understand anything....
[10:03] <ikonia> calico: ok, so thats basically either one cronjob calling a script, or two crons
[10:03] <ikonia> calico: not not recommend managing your host file via cron unless you a.) REALLY trust the source b.) understand what's happening to be able to undo it / debug it
[10:04] <calico> Then it says that it would be using dnsmasq, I imagined that sites would be blocked via the host file. Is there difference between the two?
[10:04] <ikonia> dnsmasq is a local dns service (ubuntu uses it) but I'd certainly suggest making a regular block list in the host file unless you are comfortable with the two statements I made earlier
[10:05] <calico> Now that I think about it - I am not THAT comfortable with that. :)
[10:05] <ikonia> calico: are you just trying to block adverts for yourself ?
[10:05] <calico> Currently, I am using disconnect.me and ghostery, but I don't trust Ghostery and I don't like disconnect.,e
[10:05] <ikonia> or for many people on your network ?
[10:05] <calico> Just me
[10:06] <ikonia> calico: there are many browser plugins that can help if it's just for one user
[10:06] <ikonia> calico: there are many external DNS providers who do this too, so you could just change your DNS service to be one of those
[10:06] <ikonia> (if you want a simple fix that's not your problem to maintain)
[10:07] <calico> The thing is, I use MULTIPLE:) browsers and it adds up in the RAM memory... I'd rather centrally block everything that I want
[10:07] <calico> That seems cool! What should search for?
[10:07] <calico> should I*
[10:07] <ikonia> DNS adblock services ?
[10:08] <calico> Hmm:)_ Alright, lemme see
[10:15] <calico> ikonia, I found this https://adguard.com/en/adguard-dns/overview.html
[10:15] <calico> what would be the best way to implement that
[10:19] <ikonia> calico: docs say just set the dns servers to be those on the sites
[10:20] <calico> Is this a better option https://adguard.com/en/adguard-dns/overview.html
[10:20] <calico> Oops - https://github.com/pi-hole/pi-hole/#one-step-automated-install
[10:20] <ikonia> up to you
[10:21] <ikonia> you're not going to get easier than 'point your machine to use this DNS server"
[10:21] <zomaar> When my computer comes out of standby the sound is staggering.
[10:21] <zomaar> Solution: kill pulseaudio.
[10:21] <zomaar> Killing pulseaudio is always the solution ^^.
[10:32] <calico> ikonia, am I supposed to set my router to use certain DNS servers, I am confused... And I am trying to only block them on my laptop for now
[10:33] <ikonia> calico: you can set your router or hosts
[10:33] <ikonia> as in client eg: laptop/desktop/wahtever
[10:33] <ikonia> whatever
[10:33] <ikonia> calico: all the info is listed on their site
[10:37] <calico> ikonia, right, so am I supposed to edit/etc/resolv.conf?
[11:21] <dsgasadfa> HI MY MOUSE ISNT WORKING
[11:21] <cfhowlett> drop the caps
[11:21] <dsgasadfa> HOW DO I FIX
[11:21] <dsgasadfa> ok
[11:22] <cfhowlett> dsgasadfa, check the battery
[11:22] <dsgasadfa> battery of my mous?
[11:22] <dsgasadfa> it doesnt have a batery
[11:22] <cfhowlett> check the plug
[11:23] <dsgasadfa> it doesnt have a plug
[11:23] <dsgasadfa> its touchpad man
[11:23] <cfhowlett> you SAID mouse
[11:25] <soogy_> I installed systemd-boot using bootctl and how can I set a splash screen for it ?
[11:25] <jeremies> Do you know some free accounting software for rental business?
[11:26] <cfhowlett> jeremies, gnucash comes to mind
[11:27] <jeremies> cfhowlett, but it has no specific options for property management
[11:27] <cfhowlett> nope.
[11:28] <jeremies> Do you know an alternative to gnucash?
[11:29] <cfhowlett> for private real estate, I'm inclined to suggest
[11:29] <cfhowlett> quicken rental property manager >> windows in a virtualbox.
[11:29] <cfhowlett> I know of no linux equivalent
[11:32] <jeremies> Ok, thanks
[11:32] <jeremies> Anyone knows an alternative to gnucash with support to rental business?
[11:33] <cfhowlett> jeremies, fyi     https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-open-quickbooks-with-linux
[11:35] <cfhowlett> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=9764
[11:40] <CoderEurope> morning.
[11:44] <dsgasadfa> wahst the meaning of ubuntu
[11:44] <dsgasadfa> its such a silly word
[11:44] <jatt> dsgasadfa: 🖕
[11:46] <s10gopal> ducasse: can you please tell me what should i do now ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646
[11:46] <soogy_> s10gopal, disable wake on lan
[11:46] <soogy_> i had the same problem
[11:46] <soogy_> disabling it fixed it
[11:46] <s10gopal> it is disabled
[11:46] <soogy_> are you sure
[11:47] <s10gopal> yes
[11:47] <soogy_> maybe the driver doesn't let it be disabled or something due to a bug
[11:47] <soogy_> since WOL is the only thing that could do that
[11:47] <soogy_> what happens if you enable WOL on Windows ?
[11:48] <s10gopal> nothing
[11:49] <soogy_> wierd
[11:49] <soogy_> maybe its something with tpm like the comments say
[11:51] <tomreyn> s10gopal: did you ever try it with a mainline kernel (as requested)?
[11:51] <s10gopal> yes
[11:52] <s10gopal> tomreyn: now i need to report that mainline bug
[11:52] <ducasse> soogy_: yes, do what the last post said and create an upstream bug report - follow the instructions in the link
[11:52] <OnkelTem> Hi folks
[11:52] <tomreyn> well, then do it
[11:52] <ducasse> s10gopal: yes, do what the last post said and create an upstream bug report - follow the instructions in the link
[11:53] <ducasse> soogy_: sorry, was not for you
[11:53] <s10gopal> ducasse: how , and what to report ?
[11:53] <soogy_> nvm xD
[11:53] <OnkelTem> Can you recommend a tool to make screenshots? Kubuntu here. I just need to: press a combination of keys -> select area -> get the screenshot published in the internet and have a link to it?
[11:53] <ducasse> s10gopal: i just told you, follow instructions in the link
[11:54] <s10gopal> ducasse: plz help me to make a report
[11:54] <OnkelTem> I tried both KSnapshot and Spectacle but they both suck
[11:55] <OnkelTem> I just need a simple tool, which does exactly what I want
[11:55] <ducasse> s10gopal: just read the linked page and post the info from this bug report
[11:56] <s10gopal> ducasse: i'm unable to understand it plz help me
[11:58] <s10gopal> ducasse: sh: 0: Can't open scripts/ver_linux
[12:03] <soogy_> how can I rebuild the ubuntu kernel so I dont need initramfs ?
[12:04] <s10gopal> tomreyn: sh: 0: Can't open scripts/ver_linux
[12:05] <tomreyn> s10gopal: i don't think i asked you to run a command, why are you sending me some (unknown) command's output?
[12:06] <s10gopal> tomreyn: sh scripts/ver_linux
[12:06] <cfhowlett> ! | s10gopal, you really do need to file your own bug report.  follow the instructions
[12:06] <s10gopal> tomreyn: can you please help me in reporting bug
[12:06] <cfhowlett> !bug | s10gopal, you really do need to file your own bug report.  follow the instructions
[12:06] <tomreyn> s10gopal: now you sent me the command you ran somewhere, but you didn't explain why you ran it or why you are telling me.
[12:06] <ducasse> s10gopal: you should really stop higghlighting random people, you've been told this before
[12:07] <s10gopal> tomreyn: it is written in link
[12:07] <s10gopal> tomreyn: https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/reporting-bugs.html
[12:09] <akik> s10gopal: scripts/ver_linux is probably in the kernel source tar package
[12:09] <s10gopal> akik: how to report it ?
[12:10] <akik> s10gopal: report that it's not there or what?
[12:10] <s10gopal> akik: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646
[12:11] <tomreyn> s10gopal: install the mainline linux-headers package, boot into the mainline kernel and run /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/scripts/ver_linux
[12:11] <s10gopal> tomreyn: i am running ml 4.15
[12:11] <tomreyn> s10gopal: so do the other things i just listed
[12:12] <s10gopal> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26518309/
[12:13] <s10gopal> tomreyn: and why amd modules are loading ? i disabled it in bios and nomodset too
[12:13] <tomreyn> s10gopal: so this step of the bug reporting preparations solved. congratulations.
[12:14] <tomreyn> i don't know.
[12:15] <s10gopal> tomreyn: how to fix it ?
[12:15] <akik> s10gopal: you can disable the loading of modules on the kernel command line "modprobe.blacklist=module"
[12:15] <s10gopal> akik: already done amdgpu + radeon
[12:16] <soogy_> s10gopal, do you have an amd graphics card ?
[12:16] <soogy_> i dont think they would load unless you had one
[12:16] <s10gopal> soogy_: amd + intel
[12:16] <soogy_> s10gopal, then you should keep the modules loaded
[12:16] <soogy_> if you plan to do gaming you can use the amd gpu by running DRI_PRIME=1 game-command
[12:16] <s10gopal> soogy_: i dont need amd , no drivers available + need to save battery
[12:17] <soogy_> s10gopal, it doesn't save battery by disabling it
[12:17] <soogy_> but you can if you want
[12:18] <dsgasadfa> hello I replaced my ubuntu with mac osx how do i rollback
[12:18] <dsgasadfa> without usb
[12:20] <soogy_> dsgasadfa, https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/162615/i-overwrote-osx-with-linux-by-accident
[12:20] <soogy_> try that
[12:20] <cfhowlett> dsgasadfa, trolling in this channel is unwelcome.  stop.
[12:23] <soogy_> how can I rebuild ubuntu kernel so that I can boot without initramfs
[12:40] <tomreyn> soogy_: why do you want to do so n the first place?
[12:41] <soogy_> tomreyn, reduce boot time
[12:41] <soogy_> by like 0.5 seconds xD
[12:41] <tomreyn> so, you're not being serious?
[12:44] <tomreyn> booting without initramfs will remove a lot of flexibility and features needed for most use cases during early booting. you probably don't want to do that.
[12:47] <khann> hello
[12:47] <khann> yoho
[13:06] <soogy_> tomreyn, like what I just need it to load init
[13:06] <soogy_> udev can load all the other modules like mouse later
[13:07] <soogy_> how can I enable EFI stub when configuring a kernel ?
[13:07] <soogy_> i can't find it in the menu
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> any fast alternatives for calibre?
[13:32] <tomreyn> soogy_: CONFIG_EFI_STUB=y https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EFIBootLoaders https://wiki.debian.org/EFIStub
[13:35] <basar> hey
[13:35] <basar> do you recieve my messages
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> basar: yes we see you
[13:37] <amriunix> hi!
[13:37] <amriunix> www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/usr/sbin/nologin
[13:37] <amriunix> the only environment variables for www-data is PWD ! Why ? and how we can modify this ?
[13:44] <kyberkat> hi
[13:49] <gopal> ioria: can you please help me , i want to make a ml kernel bug report
[13:50] <ducasse> gopal: as said plenty of times, stop highlighting people at random
[13:50] <tomreyn> amriunix: i would think www-data has no environment since it has no login. what are you trying to achieve there?
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> kyberkat: welcome, how can we help you?
[13:50] <gopal> ducasse: he was helping me yesterday
[13:51] <gopal> how to check my dedicated gfx card is on or off ?
[13:52] <ducasse> gopal: doesn't really matter, ask your questions to the channel
[14:37] <JoeLlama> how do I install apt-offline on an offline computer without connecting it to the internet?
[14:39] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: didn't you ask the same question yesterday (and got answers)?
[14:40] <dw1> this site https://www.ubuntu.com/support/plans-and-pricing says can get Ubuntu Advantage for server for free without support - how do you set it up?
[14:40] <EoflaOE> JoeLlama: Do you have another computer with internet connection?
[14:42] <lostMeUbuntu> once i did put /home on a separate partition. following some howto no doubt. now i'd like to reverse. move /home back to root partition. how to go about?
[14:42] <JoeLlama> EoflaOE no, no other computer on the internet even EoflaOE... unless you consider THIS one :P
[14:42] <JoeLlama> yes I do in that case (:
[14:43] <JoeLlama> tomreyn I don't think I got the answer
[14:43] <JoeLlama> I asked about installing VLC offline tomreyn
[14:43] <JoeLlama> but to do that I need to install apt-offline first
[14:43] <EoflaOE> I think that is impossible as far as I know to get a package offline in Ubuntu.
[14:44] <JoeLlama> so, yes this is as continuation of that conversation yesterday
[14:44] <tomreyn> !apt-offline | JoeLlama: did you read the wiki page you were pointed to yesterday (https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/02/03/%23ubuntu.html)?
[14:44] <JoeLlama> hold on lemme look at the logs tomreyn
[14:44] <tomreyn> !info apt-offline
[14:45] <JoeLlama> hrm no record of that perhaps I missed it tomreyn
[14:45] <JoeLlama> "The requested URL /2018/02/03/#ubuntu.html) was not found on this server."
[14:45] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: here's what eric said to you: hmm, well on the 17.10 one, type "apt-cache show apt-offline" get the dependencies from the Depends line and then run 'apt-cache show python-magic' for example, and look at the Filename line, that's the link to where you can download it manually and use dpkg to install them all
[14:45] <nils_> lostMeUbuntu, I'd boot into a livecd, mount root to /mnt/root, mount home to /mnt/home, then mkdir /mnt/root/home und then move the files, after that umount and delete the partition and perhaps embiggen the root
[14:46] <JoeLlama> no so in that case I did not see it since it apparently doesn't exist
[14:46] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: try without the trailing ')': https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/02/03/%23ubuntu.html
[14:46] <JoeLlama> ah
[14:46] <tomreyn> you seem to have missed it.
[14:47] <JoeLlama> oh ok no I did not see this.  If someone referenced it I didn't get it.
[14:47] <JoeLlama> ok thanks tomreyn :)
[14:47] <JoeLlama> loooks teedious
[14:48] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware#Use_apt-offline
[14:48] <lostMeUbuntu> gosh nils_ .. that sounds great. i even remember some of those moves.. guess i did something like that moving the /home to other partition.
[14:48] <gopal> how to fix it ? https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665
[14:49] <JoeLlama> hrm I'm still not sure how to get apt-offline onto the offline computer but  I will give this a try
[14:53] <brainwash> JoeLlama: you download the apt-offline package, transfer it the other computer and install it
[14:55] <JoeLlama> E: Unable to locate package apt-offline"
[14:56] <JoeLlama> so I still don't understand tomreyn, how do I get the packages apt-offline onto the PC that is offline?!
[14:56] <brainwash> for which ubuntu release?
[14:56] <auronandace> JoeLlama: download them from a pc that is online then transfer to the offline one
[14:57] <gopal> how to fix it ? https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665
[14:57] <JoeLlama> ah ok ok and how do I download it from the online PC auronandace?
[14:58] <brainwash> it can be easily downloaded from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-offline
[14:58] <auronandace> JoeLlama: scroll up and see what they have told you
[14:58] <JoeLlama> nice brainwash thanks :)
[14:59] <ducasse> lostMeUbuntu: you also need to remove /home from the fstab before booting the system again
[14:59] <brainwash> JoeLlama: click on the ">" next to the version, scroll down, and click on the .deb link
[14:59] <JoeLlama> hrm I still have no clue :(  no matter how much I scroll up auronandace
[14:59] <brainwash> c'mon
[15:00] <JoeLlama> ok thanks brainwash
[15:00] <brainwash> can you at least try a bit harder =S
[15:00] <JoeLlama> I am trying :(
[15:00] <lostMeUbuntu> ducasse: yes. i was reading up on the details.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[15:01] <Commander_Cody> I'd like to downgrade warzone2100 to version 3.1.5 on Ubuntu 16.0.4
[15:01] <Commander_Cody> What's the easiest way to do that?
[15:01] <lostMeUbuntu> i'm such a silly user.  i even think it should be something in the gui structure. moving several mount point in your system.
[15:02] <auronandace> Commander_Cody: downgrading isn't really supported. what you'll essentially have to do is remove the current version and install the older one
[15:02] <brainwash> Commander_Cody: 16.04 has version 3.1.1
[15:02] <lostMeUbuntu> i'll never get it. computers aren't meant for normal users.
[15:03] <Commander_Cody> auronandace: Okay.
[15:03] <nils_> lostMeUbuntu, it's a little complicated to do on a running system since most everyhing needs /home for something, you'd need a full fledged root account for example
[15:03] <nils_> lostMeUbuntu, it's kinda like changing a tire while driving, it's doable but not trivial.
[15:03] <brainwash> Commander_Cody: wouldn't 3.1.5 be an "upgrade"?
[15:04] <JoeLlama> ok brainwash I have the file "
[15:04] <JoeLlama>     apt-offline_1.8.1_all.deb (45.4 KiB)
[15:05] <brainwash> JoeLlama: transfer and install it with "sudo dpkg -i apt-offline_1.8.1_all.deb"
[15:06] <lostMeUbuntu> nils_: appreciate your explanation. but cars are stupid vehicles. based on an invention done in neolithic times.
[15:06] <JoeLlama> neat ok
[15:06] <Commander_Cody> brainwash: Perhaps, since the number of bugs within the software increases with every release :p
[15:06] <lostMeUbuntu> oh look! when it's round it will roll over a flat surface!
[15:07] <nils_> given enough time I think I could probably come up with the wheel, I'm not so sure about a combustion engine.
[15:07] <gopal> how to fix it ? https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665
[15:08] <brainwash> Commander_Cody: maybe you should give the most recent version a try
[15:08] <nils_> lostMeUbuntu, the use case of changing file systems and moving mount points isn't frequently needed and as I said it's non-trivial, so nobody really wants to solve that problem
[15:08] <lostMeUbuntu> nils_: i'd give you you'd come up with a horse in front. or some slaves.
[15:08] <nils_> lostMeUbuntu, and since there is btrfs, ZFS and LVM
[15:08] <nils_> I'd probably eat the horse instead ;)
[15:09] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: did you get it sorted?
[15:09] <tomreyn> i was gone for a bit
[15:09] <lostMeUbuntu> so it would be left to slaves then.
[15:09] <Commander_Cody> brainwash: I'm okay, I merely try to assist another user who has less skill.
[15:10] <JoeLlama> working on it ... trying to figure out the path to my USB drive
[15:10] <tomreyn> gopal: this is not the kernel developers' channel. and please don't repeat it once every ten minuntes.
[15:10] <tomreyn> gopal: just have some patience, and wait for them to respond. it wont take place in #ubuntu
[15:11] <tomreyn> gopal: ...nor in #ubuntu-kernel where you cross posted to twice so far.
[15:12] <ChileStuff> Greetings denizens
[15:13] <JoeLlama> hrm...  ok so like my volume label has spaces in the name and apparently that doesn't work in a path...  how do I get around that?
[15:13] <Commander_Cody> JoeLlama: Do you know about quoting in the shell?
[15:13] <JoeLlama> nope :)
[15:14] <tomreyn> either quote the entire path or escape spaces as in "word1\ word2"
[15:14] <JoeLlama> so like if the path is /media/machine/abc def ghi how do I set that up?
[15:14] <ChileStuff> oy
[15:15] <JoeLlama> I will google
[15:15] <JoeLlama> oh ok tomreyn just say that thanks
[15:15] <Commander_Cody> JoeLlama: One of the basic concepts is word splitting. So if your there is a space in something like a file called "space file"
[15:15] <felixsanz> i have installed a package using "snap", how i can change the channel for that package? (beta to alpha for example)
[15:15] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: use either "'/media/machine/abc def ghi'" or "/media/machine/abc\ def\ ghi" (without the double quotes)
[15:15] <Commander_Cody> JoeLlama: Then simply typing space file will mean the shell treats this as two distinct words
[15:16] <Commander_Cody> JoeLlama: But if you type "space file" it will be treated as one word
[15:16] <JoeLlama> ok
[15:17] <JoeLlama> ok so yes I typed in sudo dpkg -i etc and now I get a > prompt
[15:18] <tomreyn> so you either missed a quotation mark or added one in excess
[15:18] <JoeLlama> oh
[15:18] <ChileStuff> Can anyone help me convert a GPT partition to MBR?
[15:18] <tomreyn> press ctrl-c, review your command
[15:18] <ChileStuff> I'm following the instructions on Techwalla but they don't help
[15:21] <JoeLlama> nope can't find the file :(  I'll get some food and try again
[15:23] <auronandace> ChileStuff: backup what you need and reformat the drive to mbr then copy over what you backed up
[15:24] <ChileStuff> If it were that simple
[15:24] <ChileStuff> mbr is not a format
[15:25] <multifractal> My ipod classic is listed by lsusb, but doesn't appear in nautilus or rhythmbox
[15:25] <multifractal> ubuntu 16.04
[15:25] <auronandace> ChileStuff: it is a partition scheme, you make the whole drive mbr or gpt. you don't make particular partitions mbr or gpt
[15:25] <PoopooFaceMonkey> Hello everyone!
[15:26] <ChileStuff> That I know ... I just don't know how to convert from gpt to mbr
[15:27] <PoopooFaceMonkey> I'm trying to install ubuntu but I'm having problems. I get stuck at the 5 dot screen for about 30 minutes, then i get a blank black screen.
[15:27] <ChileStuff> I found "instructions" that are less than helpful
[15:27] <auronandace> ChileStuff: after you have made your backups launch a livecd with gparted and pick device, create partition table
[15:28] <ChileStuff> hmm
[15:29] <ChileStuff> would gparted be the same or similar to gdisk?
[15:29] <auronandace> ChileStuff: i have not used gdisk sorry
[15:29] <ChileStuff> 'ok, I'll try gparted ... gdisk ain't helping
[15:29] <auronandace> ChileStuff: any reason why you want mbr instead of gpt?
[15:30] <ChileStuff> Yeah, I need to install windows 7 but it won't load to a gpt
[15:31] <ChileStuff> The machine currently has windows 10, but as far as I'm concerned, that's no better than a virus
[15:31] <JoeLlama> ok so this is what I have.  The file apt-offline_1.8.1_all.deb is on a USB drive which has the path /media/name/USB drive so I have: sudo dpkg -i /media/name/"USB drive"/apt-offline_1.8.1_all.deb <--- cannot access archive
[15:32] <JoeLlama> what am I doing wrong auronandace, tomreyn?
[15:33] <JoeLlama> oOo I'm so close :)
[15:33] <adalbert> JoeLlama: try sudo dpkg -i "/media/name/USB drive/apt-offline_1.8.1_all.deb"
[15:34] <JoeLlama> oh!
[15:35] <JoeLlama> nope adalbert...  hrm I'm doing something wrong
[15:36] <adalbert> that is weird.
[15:36] <JoeLlama> oh but if I click on the .deb file a GUI interface pops up asking if I want to install it! :)
[15:37] <tmus> For apps that are available in same versions in snap (often in classic confinement) and a supported repository, what are the benefit of using snap over the native app?
[15:37] <JoeLlama> but it's now saying something went wrong it got unknow content type (null)
[15:37] <adalbert> JoeLlama: the archive might be broken or corrupt ?
[15:38] <HUJ> HI
[15:39] <JoeLlama> hrm I just downloaded it adalbert but yes I had trouble safetly removing the drive perhaps I need to fsck it
[15:40] <ChileStuff> auronandace gparted only gives me msdos, not mbr as an option ... input?
[15:41] <auronandace> ChileStuff: yeah, msdos is mbr
[15:41] <ChileStuff> Just making sure  :)
[15:41] <ChileStuff> thanks
[15:42] <JoeLlama> nope adalbert :(
[15:43] <adalbert> JoeLlama: I bet the archive is broken
[15:45] <JoeLlama> well it extracted the files for me okay adalbert
[15:46] <JoeLlama> I download again
[15:46] <adalbert> Hmm, sudo apt-get install apt-offline isn't enough?
[15:46] <adalbert> it's currently at version 1.7
[15:49] <JoeLlama> 1.8.1 but it says something about that it's a debian file
[15:50] <ChileStuff> auronandace that did the trick
[15:50] <ChileStuff> Thanks for your help
[15:50] <PoopooFaceMonkey> I currently have Debian. I'm trying to install ubuntu but I'm having problems. I get stuck at the 5 dot screen for about 30 minutes, then i get a blank black screen.
[15:51] <auronandace> ChileStuff: no worries
[15:51] <JoeLlama> yes adalbert there are three files in that .deb and one of them is debian-binary
[15:53] <ChileStuff> I gotta say I'm new to Linux and I have a lot to learn, but I'm already diggin how powerful it can be
[15:54] <JoeLlama> welp, I can see the learning curve is going to be steep on this one (:  Time to look at forums
[15:54] <ChileStuff> Welcome my favorite wood
[15:54] <PoopooFaceMonkey> Anyone know what i should do?
[15:54] <brainwash> JoeLlama: does "md5sum apt-offline_1.8.1_all.deb" return "b775451a3a1162a56d3751468dd1cec5"?
[15:54] <JoeLlama> oh lemme look brainwash
[15:54] <ChileStuff> Well, 2nd fav  :D
[15:55] <ChileStuff> bbl
[15:55] <JoeLlama> it just can't find the file brainwash I think that is the problem here
[15:56] <brainwash> you didn't transfer it?
[15:56] <JoeLlama> yeah it's there..  I just don't have the path right or something... working on it
[15:57] <brainwash> md5sum "/path/to/apt-offline_1.8.1_all.deb"
[15:57] <JoeLlama> I have the entire path in quotes
[15:58] <brainwash> file still missing?
[15:58] <JoeLlama> yeah missing
[15:58] <JoeLlama> I am trying that with other files
[15:58] <JoeLlama> doesn't find files in that path
[15:59] <JoeLlama> I'll type the path back in
[16:00] <brainwash> you can change directory with "cd /path/to"
[16:00] <brainwash> then you can omit adding the full path to the md5sum instruction
[16:01] <JoeLlama> duh!  I had two letters in lower case
[16:02] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: next time, you can use the 'ls' command to list directory contents.
[16:02] <JoeLlama> it's installing :)_
[16:02] <JoeLlama> oh yes that might have helped tomreyn
[16:03] <JoeLlama> sweet
[16:03] <JoeLlama> okay so next I need to install 17.10 update files bbl
[16:03] <JoeLlama> oh and thanks for the help and for putting up with me (:
[16:03] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: maintaining an airgapped installation is maybe not for the novice user. it might be good to experiment with an internet connected ubuntu before you take the airgapped approach.
[16:04] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: ...on the other hand you're half-way there now.
[16:04] <JoeLlama> probably tomreyn...  but I need this system up and running very soon and it needs to be offline
[16:04] <JoeLlama> yeah :) half way
[16:12] <plastafierce> My grahpics drivers wont install can someone help
[16:24] <JoeLlama> *sigh* okay so I sudo apt-offline set ~/apt.sig   and then I get ERROR: FATAL: Something is wrong with the APT system
[16:24] <JoeLlama> what went wrong? :(
[16:26] <JoeLlama> ah crap my apt-offline is borked
[16:30] <JoeLlama> I think this was apt-offline for debian...  gunna redownload
[16:31] <JoeLlama> does anyone know where to get the correct apt-offline isntallation package for ubuntu 17.10?  I don't think I got the correct one.
[16:32] <brainwash> I've linked the correct one
[16:32] <brainwash> therefore, you have the correct one
[16:32] <JoeLlama> oh good :)  um..... do I scroll up to that brainwash?
[16:33] <JoeLlama> okay well I will scroll up and try to find it brainwash
[16:33] <brainwash> no need to
[16:33] <brainwash> unless you don't actually have ubuntu 17.10
[16:33] <brainwash> 1.8.1 is for 17.10
[16:34] <JoeLlama> ok ok so I did the md5sum and it is corrrect as you stated it.
[16:34] <JoeLlama> but when I do the sudo apt-offline ~/apt.sig I get ERROR: FATAL: Something is wrong with the APT system
[16:35] <JoeLlama> and I am running ubuntu 17.10 on a 64 bit system
[16:35] <brainwash> then google that message
[16:36] <brainwash> that is what I would have to do
[16:37] <JoeLlama> yup I did... trying to fix broken system
[16:37] <JoeLlama> I reinstalled apt-offline
[16:37] <JoeLlama> but same result :(
[16:38] <JoeLlama> frustrating, isn't it?
[16:38] <brainwash> I guess
[16:38] <faekjarz> Hi, is there a native way to secure erase an (micro)SD card, like SSDs? I mean apart from overwriting multiple times, when one intends to account for internal wear leveling.
[16:38] <JoeLlama> it did say "Errors in processing" when I did the install for apt-offline
[16:39] <JoeLlama> deepency problems
[16:39] <Kon-> Does a 16.04 live CD support Nvidia Pascal GPUs?
[16:39] <brainwash> faekjarz: I would ask in ##hardware
[16:39] <Kon-> 16.04.3
[16:39] <JoeLlama> oh depedency problems - leaving unconfigured brainwash
[16:39] <brainwash> Kon-: probably if you boot with "nomodeset"
[16:39] <JoeLlama> ok well back to forums
[16:40] <Kon-> brainwash, booting with nomodeset gives this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393216587806801920/409740476325953536/20180204_170206.jpg
[16:40] <faekjarz> brainwash: i did, 10 minutes ago, but no one answered yet and i'm impatient ;)
[16:40] <brainwash> JoeLlama: well, if you want help, share the actual terminal output (use a pastebin service)
[16:41] <JoeLlama> ok brainwash but it's harder when it's from an offline system
[16:41] <JoeLlama> but ok I do that now :)
[16:42] <BluesKaj> JoeLlama,, did you try sudo dpkg --configure -a, then sudo apt -f install
[16:43] <JoeLlama> no BluesKaj but let me upload the pastebin
[16:43] <brainwash> JoeLlama: just a little bit harder, yes
[16:45] <kyberkat> hi
[16:45] <odroid> hi
[16:45] <JoeLlama> ok brainwash and BluesKaj: https://pastebin.com/cmVu4ELJ
[16:46] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: can you sum up which ubuntu release is running on the online ubuntu system and the offline ubuntu system? are they both ubuntu systems at all?
[16:46] <JoeLlama> well the offline system is 17.10 as stated before
[16:46] <JoeLlama> the online systems are windows and 16.04
[16:46] <tomreyn> i see.
[16:47] <JoeLlama> I'll get it eventually :)
[16:48] <drpoo> how can I block internet access to my server without loosing ssh access?
[16:48] <drpoo> via the command line
[16:48] <brainwash> JoeLlama: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file
[16:48] <tomreyn> drpoo: port knocking, source ip address restrictions
[16:49] <Crimguy> drpoo wouldn't you just keep port 22 open and that's it?
[16:50] <JoeLlama> when I do sudo dpkg --configure -a it tells me that apt-offline requires python3-magic
[16:50] <drpoo> Crimguy: would that be done using iptables?
[16:50] <brainwash> JoeLlama: I gave you the link
[16:50] <brainwash> JoeLlama: download and install it
[16:50] <JoeLlama> ok thanks brainwash
[16:51] <JoeLlama> so that is python3-magic brainwash?
[16:52] <tomreyn> brainwash: that's a GNU file source package, not a python3-magic binary package
[16:52] <Crimguy> drpoo:  yes iptables.  I'm pretty old so don't really recall how to do it well, and used ipchains for way too long
[16:52] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: no
[16:52] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: should i guide you?
[16:52] <JoeLlama> thanks tomreyn :)
[16:52] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: what have you downloaded so far?
[16:52] <tomreyn> please provide the file names
[16:53] <JoeLlama> well I am looking at downloading file_5.32.orig.tar.xz
[16:53] <brainwash> you should download python3-magic
[16:53] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: you can remove this file. which other files have you downloaded to make apt-offline work?
[16:53] <JoeLlama> well just apt-offline deb file so far
[16:53] <brainwash> JoeLlama: you didn't scroll all the way down
[16:54] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: okay, so that's a good start, but you need to download more.
[16:54] <BluesKaj> anu linux OS needs a proper internet connection for current and security updates/upgrades
[16:54] <JoeLlama> ok good tomreyn
[16:54] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: let me show you how to find out what to download:
[16:54] <JoeLlama> o k !
[16:54] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: start at https://packages.ubuntu.com/apt-offline
[16:55] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: then, on the top, click on the codename of the ubuntu release you want to download apt-offline for
[16:55] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: do you know which one that is?
[16:55] <JoeLlama> well it's artful ardvark
[16:56] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: so click on "artful" where is says "search in specific suite:"
[16:56] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: you wuold then end up on https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=artful&keywords=apt-offline
[16:56] <JoeLlama> yup
[16:56] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: now for the apt-offline package, click on 'artful' again
[16:57] <JoeLlama> yup
[16:57] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: on the bottom is says "Download apt-offline". there, click on 'all', then on a mirror server close to you.
[16:57] <brainwash> tomreyn: btw python3-magic is built from file https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/artful/file
[16:58] <tomreyn> brainwash: yes, same source package.
[16:58] <JoeLlama> yup I did this before I do seem to have that package
[16:58] <tomreyn> brainwash: but he needs the specific binary package now.
[16:58] <JoeLlama> it says I need python3-magic to fix the dependency issues
[16:58] <brainwash> tomreyn: obviously
[16:58] <JoeLlama> hrm ok so download this again? or use the one I have?
[16:59] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: okay, i'm just explaining the whole process quickly. so you have downloaded the apt-offline_1.8.1_all.deb package. is it 46474 bytes?
[16:59] <JoeLlama> oh ok ok
[16:59] <JoeLlama> yes downloaded
[16:59] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: same size?
[16:59] <JoeLlama> lemme look :)
[16:59] <JoeLlama> 45.3KB
[17:00] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: you should be able to inspect the exact byte size, even on windows. but for now that's good enough. now for the other packages.
[17:00] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[17:00] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: click the 'back' button of your web browser once.
[17:00] <JoeLlama> 46,474 bytes
[17:00] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: you should be at https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/apt-offline again
[17:00] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: wel done
[17:01] <JoeLlama> heh tahnks!
[17:01] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: are you back to the previous page on your web browser, yet?
[17:01] <JoeLlama> yup
[17:01] <JoeLlama> should I get python3-magic?
[17:01] <JoeLlama> I'm just going to get that okay?
[17:02] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: okay, so smost packages depend on other packages. not all of them, but most. check the color indicators: red= depends, green=recommends etc.
[17:02] <JoeLlama> yup got the python3-magic transferring and installing
[17:02] <JoeLlama> brb
[17:02] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: wyou need to get the red and green ones.
[17:03] <JoeLlama> red and green ones?
[17:03] <JoeLlama> oh all of them!
[17:03] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: you probably have all the red ones except python3-magic already.
[17:03] <JoeLlama> ok ok I get it
[17:04] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: the green ones are not strictly required, but they may add additional functionality.
[17:04] <JoeLlama> so when I go to get these files there will be recommended files that I may or may not already have installed
[17:04] <JoeLlama> ok lemme install python3-magic and go from there
[17:04] <JoeLlama> brb
[17:04]  * BluesKaj mutters...get an internet connection already
[17:05] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: that's right. on the 17.10 offline target system, you can use synaptic or 'dpkg -l packagename' to see whether these packages are already installed.
[17:06] <JoeLlama> yay
[17:07] <JoeLlama> ok so I installed python3-magic and then installed apt-offline with no errors
[17:07] <JoeLlama> thanks guys (:
[17:07] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: note that these packages (such as python3-magic) may again depend on other packages (such as libmagic1, but you probably have this already, too)
[17:08] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: once you installed both packages on the target system using "sudo dpkg -i path/to/packagename.deb" you'll need to run "sudo apt -f install"
[17:09] <JoeLlama> I have my apt.sig file :)
[17:09]  * JoeLlama * Beams *
[17:10] <Swish> hi JoeLlama :)
[17:10] <asciiwolf> hello
[17:10] <BluesKaj> JoeLlama, why is this pc not connected to the internet ?
[17:10] <asciiwolf> I have a problem pushing my project to launchpad bzr
[17:10] <tomreyn> we skipped one important part, which is verifying that the packages you downloaded are authentic. but i think your operational security is, for lack of ubuntu administration experience, at a level which won't improve by doing this.
[17:11] <asciiwolf> Is there anyone who could help me with this?
[17:11] <brainwash> tomreyn: we did verify the md5sum earlier
[17:11] <brainwash> tomreyn: of apt-offline
[17:11] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: ^ + i'm also interested in yuor response to blueskaj's question, if you don't mind discussing it.
[17:11] <JoeLlama> BluesKaj it is a secure PC it NEVER touches the wire!
[17:11] <JoeLlama> don't you guys have a secure network?
[17:12] <JoeLlama> one that NEVER touches the internet?
[17:12] <asciiwolf> When I try bzr push it just hangs and does nothing. :-( Are there currently any issues with the Launchpad Bazaar?
[17:12] <BluesKaj> what's to prevent downloading insecureities and installing them , that's false security
[17:13] <JoeLlama> BluesKaj I think the point is, if your network is secure, people can't upload from it... or at least it makes that much more difficult
[17:13] <tomreyn> brainwash: i was referring to cryptographics signatures, not just checksums.
[17:13] <BluesKaj> JoeLlama, sounds like absolute misplaced paranoia to me
[17:13] <JoeLlama> hahaha BluesKaj
[17:13] <JoeLlama> good one (:
[17:14] <JoeLlama> and this is why large companies and government agencies get hacked!
[17:14] <JoeLlama> heh
[17:14] <JoeLlama> thanks I needed a goodl laugh
[17:14] <JoeLlama> hacked 'n cracked
[17:15] <BluesKaj> well it's not funny ..putting these guys thru all this work due to an obsession
[17:15] <JoeLlama> obsession? It's nothing personal BluesKaj but perhaps you need to deeply rethink this
[17:16] <JoeLlama> if you have person files you do NOT want being stolen, then don't hook your computer up to the internet
[17:16] <JoeLlama> period
[17:16] <JoeLlama> secury 101
[17:16] <BluesKaj> nope, no need to rethink on my part , but perhaps you should
[17:16] <JoeLlama> oops security
[17:16] <tomreyn> let's move the discussion to #ubuntu-discuss?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> that's all i have to say
[17:16] <JoeLlama> heh ok BluesKaj um... no disrespect but thanks for that advice, mkay?
[17:17] <JoeLlama> that's ok tomreyn I'm done with this thread
[17:17]  * BluesKaj nods
[17:17] <tomreyn> an airgapped system is a legitimmate use case. but it really only makes sense if you can operate the system securely. and, no disrespect there, just anm observation, JoeLlama currently lacks the experience to do so - on Ubuntu.
[17:18] <tomreyn> okay, i added to the discussion, sorry.
[17:18] <r_ny> why would all my logs be empty after logrorate runs? but all of the rotated logs are still being written to? ex: mail.log.1 is still being populated
[17:18] <JoeLlama> and tomreyn is correct there...
[17:19] <JoeLlama> and I am also working with linux with online systems but I do need this 'airgapped" offline system and I need it pretty soon.
[17:19] <JoeLlama> I have a rather large project that requires file manipulations and I am just sick to death of windows
[17:20] <BluesKaj> heh...yet linux can'r be connected
[17:20] <JoeLlama> this has been an excellent learning situation and I am documenting everything so the next 50 or 60 systems will be a lot easier
[17:22] <JoeLlama> and I do totally appreciate the help, btw :)
[17:22] <tomreyn> r_ny: by default, mail.log.1 would not be written to anymore other than during repeat logrotate runs.
[17:22] <r_ny> i just meant that as an example, my kern.log also is blank. but kern.log.1 continues to be populated
[17:23] <tomreyn> r_ny: the latest log lines should always go to mail.log only
[17:23] <tomreyn> r_ny: the same goes for kern.log
[17:24] <r_ny> so you're saying that the logs ending in .1 shouldn't be written to? thats why I'm asking for help..
[17:26] <tomreyn> r_ny: not unless log rotation takes place.
[17:26] <r_ny> tomreyn: any idea why all of my logs ending in .1 are still being written to and the originals are all remain blank?
[17:26] <tomreyn> r_ny: no, you'll have a special (non default) configuration then.
[17:27] <r_ny> i haven't changed anything regarding log rotate lol, thats why i'm asking for help
[17:27] <tomreyn> r_ny: maybe you changed file or directory permissions or ownership, or you reconfigured the system logging daemon.
[17:28] <JoeLlama> ok thanks again tomreyn and brainwash and the rest of you guys, apt-offline (on the online system) is downloading lots of stuff
[17:29] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: welcome. however, please don't expect more assistence on this matter from my end for the reasons i provided above. good luck!
[17:29] <vivek__> hi team,
[17:29] <vivek__> du -h
[17:29] <vivek__> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[17:29] <vivek__> udev            996M   12K  996M   1% /dev
[17:29] <vivek__> tmpfs           201M  380K  200M   1% /run
[17:29] <tomreyn> !paste | vivek__
[17:30] <JoeLlama> oh yes tomreyn like I said, I document everything so the next number of systems should be no sweat :)  Sometimes I just need to get started in the right direction and once I get going things tend to work out.
[17:30] <vivek__> tomreyn:ok
[17:30] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: that's good, hope you make good progress.
[17:31] <JoeLlama> I did!
[17:31] <vivek__> tomreyn: 'du -h' command show
[17:31] <tomreyn> vivek__: i don't understand
[17:32] <vivek__> tomreyn: sorry i was unable to paste here
[17:32] <tomreyn> r_ny: running "dmesg -T" *may* hint on why the .log files aren't written to.
[17:32] <ikonia> use pastebin.ubuntu.com
[17:32] <vivek__> my ubuntu machine .. no space left
[17:32] <ikonia> you can then share the details
[17:33] <vivek__> cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device
[17:33] <tomreyn> vivek__: basically, just read what ubottu told you.
[17:33] <vivek__> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26519885/
[17:34] <tomreyn> vivek__: the error message is correct, your root directory ( / ) has run full.
[17:34] <vivek__> tomreyn: how to see the files taking lot of space
[17:35] <tomreyn> vivek__: sudo du -hxd0 /*
[17:37] <tomreyn> vivek__: actually that's: sudo du -hxd0 /
[17:37] <tomreyn> ... sorry
[17:38] <vivek__> tomreyn: no probs..Thanks
[17:45] <r_ny> tomreyn: for some reason i had to reload rsyslog, i promise you all configs are default. seems to be working now.
[17:45] <donavan> why good morning my good people
[17:46] <tomreyn> r_ny: glad you worked it out!
[17:46] <donavan> so i have a question for all of you
[17:47] <tomreyn> donavan: and good evening from me. ;)
[17:47] <donavan> i have recently installed bubuntu 16.04 did the dpkg for the updates for the os and what not..... but my laptop still goes to a black screen after the login screen sometimes. what should i do
[17:48] <tomreyn> donavan: just to clarify: the command line utility to use for system / package updates is apt, apt-get or aptitude, not dpkg.
[17:50] <donavan> well im back ... damn laptop went to a black screen after i tried to open google chrome
[17:51] <tomreyn> donavan: about the blackscreen: if it happens sometimes but not other times, it's usually not a software (but rather a firmware / hardware) issue. this said, you could inspect /var/log/Xorg.*.log and /var/log/syslog* to learn what is going wrong. also the output of the 'dmesg -T' command. you can also paste those outputs / logs here and try to get someone to review them.
[17:52] <tomreyn> !paste | donavan
[17:52]  * tomreyn needs to leave for an hour or so, though
[17:53] <donavan> okay tomreyn how would i go about doing what you said im still quite new to linux/ubuntu
[17:56] <tomreyn> donavan: okay, i have a few more minutes. try this: sudo cat /var/log/Xorg.*.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:57] <tomreyn> donavan: this should return a url you can post here. for the other outputs, use: sudo cat /var/log/syslog.log | nc termbin.com 9999; dmesg -T  | nc termbin.com 999
[17:57] <spigot> so the color from my prompt has disappeared and I feel very newb. would anyone mind showing me the output of `echo $PS1`? if they haven't messed with your prompt, that is
[17:58] <tomreyn> donavan: unfortunately i really need to leave now. but once you posted this and reprat your question / issue, someone else can inspect it.
[17:58] <donavan> okay tom but i cant find the url lol but thanks
[18:05] <TheWild> hello
[18:05] <TheWild> I have some questions about apt
[18:06] <TheWild> if I do "apt install firefox firefox_58.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1_amd64.deb" and
[18:07] <TheWild> 1. the local and remote versions are equal, will it install offline package instead of downloading?
[18:08] <TheWild> 2. the local and remove versions differ, will it always install newer version?
[18:09] <spigot> TheWild: what are you trying to accomplish, exactly? apt usually handles downloading for you. dpkg can be used to install a .deb file individually. are you trying to lock to a particular version and keep from auto updating?
[18:10] <gopal> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665
[18:12] <TheWild> not expanding the fact that the laptop is partially broken, I'm booting the system from clean live Ubuntu. I want to avoid redowloading firefox every time I boot it unless new version comes out.
[18:13] <TheWild> btw, does the order of the packages mentioned in "apt install" matter?
[18:14] <TheWild> I'd better TIAS. Bye
[18:19] <donavan> i have a question.... any one able to help me with a black screen problem
[18:23] <donavan> question... after i log in my pc is fine but some times it goes to a random black screen what can i do to fix this any one ???
[18:27] <BluesKaj> donavan, look in /var/log/syslog for any errors or crash indicators
[18:28] <BluesKaj> related to X or wayland depending on which one you're using
[18:29] <Dserge> wayland sucks so hopefully x lol
[18:29] <BluesKaj> yup
[18:29] <donavan> okay bluekaj im still kinda new so how do i do that
[18:31] <donavan> okay i found what you told me to look for it was a text file if im not mistaken. now do i just read trough it to find a error
[18:32] <BluesKaj> donavan, yes look for today's date if it just happened , near the bottom
[18:35] <donavan> lmfao i have no idea what i am looking for
[18:35] <tomreyn> donavan: this should return a url you can post here. for the other outputs, use: sudo cat /var/log/syslog.log | nc termbin.com 9999; dmesg -T  | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:36] <tomreyn> donavan: it really should return a url when you run the correct command (as given) on a terminal
[18:36] <donavan> i tried that tomreyn but i could not find the url in the terminal
[18:36] <tomreyn> donavan: here's a more simple test: cat /etc/issue | nc -vv termbin.com 9999
[18:36] <tomreyn> does this one work?
[18:38] <donavan> ok i did the second test and it said connection to termbin succsessfull
[18:38] <tomreyn> donavan: but it doesn't print a http://... address?
[18:39] <BluesKaj> ok, gotta go push some snow...BBL
[18:39] <tomreyn> donavan: can you copy and paste the command you ran here, please? just the one line.
[18:39] <donavan> nope i tried doing the first one the sudo /cat/var/log/syslog.log but says no such dir
[18:39] <donavan> cat /etc/issue | nc -vv termbin.com 9999
[18:40] <tomreyn> donavan: hmm okay this should have worked out. let's try something else: sudo apt update; sudo apt install pastebinit; sudo pastebinit /var/log/syslog.log
[18:41] <donavan> okay one second
[18:41] <donavan> shoot i have to take my brother in law to work will you be on here in like 30 mins
[18:41] <tomreyn> maybe,if not, someone else.
[18:42] <donavan> okay ill brb
[18:46] <tecan__> mate terminal needs word filters for adding colors to terminal emulator text
[18:47] <donavan> tom i did what you asked and it says unable to read from /var/log/syslog.log
[18:57] <kostkon> donavan, does   cat /var/log/syslog   create any output
[19:14] <argus-> whats error in command line-> for i in `ps -ef | grep -v grep | grep "sshcheck" | awk '{print $2}'`: do kill -9 $i: echo "Process id $i is killed": done
[19:21] <akik> argusbr: there seems to be a : after $i
[19:22] <akik> argusbr: it looks like all ; are :
[19:22] <pal_>  /nick pally
[19:22] <pal_>  /nick pally
[19:24] <donavan> kostkon are you there
[19:24] <donavan> hey tom are you still here
[19:26] <donavan> okay i got pastebinit to work lol
[19:26] <donavan> any one able to help me out with a black screen issue
[19:29] <rqww> how to solve tor service : active (exited) problem ?
[19:29] <rqww> is it running or not running ?
[19:30] <akik> argusbr: ? did you copy that line manually from somewhere?
[19:30] <kk4ewt> rqww,  systemctl status servicename
[19:31] <rqww> kk4ewt  it shows Active: active (exited)
[19:31] <spacevisionary> hello everybody! i'd like to ask if there are any downsides to using reisub to reboot a system? thanks
[19:31] <rqww> what does active (exited) means
[19:32] <kk4ewt> rqww, what service is it
[19:33] <rqww> tor
[19:33] <kk4ewt> so that means it isnt using tor at the moment
[19:37] <rqww> how to solve active (exited) problem ?
[19:37] <kk4ewt> have you tried to restart the service
[19:38] <rqww> ya but still the same
[19:42] <akik> rqww: read the service log to see what is the problem
[19:44] <donavan> is any one out there able to help me with a random black screen or a black screen after the computer sleeps
[19:46] <MonkeyDust> donavan  start from the beginning, when did this first occurn what have you tried so far etc
[19:47] <donavan> it started right after login i did the dpkg update then it did it after the computer slept i would waken it nad all i would get is a black screen then i turend that option off now i just randomly get a black screen it also happed once after i openend chrome
[19:49] <donavan> i have a url for my syslog if that helps
[19:50] <Exagone313> donavan: can you rephrase your problem?
[19:50] <ikonia> dpkg update ?
[19:50] <donavan> yes the dpkg update for updates
[19:51] <Exagone313> I guess they mean package update via an automatic gui updater
[19:51] <donavan> sorry guys i am fairly new to ubuntu and i am trying to learn
[19:51] <ikonia> I'd like to know specifcally what was done
[19:51] <ikonia> as this sort of missleading information is not a good start
[19:51] <Exagone313> donavan: do you mean a window where you ticked the option to enable automatic updates?
[19:53] <donavan> this is all i have done in the terminal to fix the problem
[19:53] <donavan> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:53] <donavan> sudo apt-get update
[19:53] <donavan> sudo apt-get upgrade -y
[19:53] <ikonia> why have you run those commands ?
[19:53] <ikonia> what made you think they where neeed ?
[19:53] <donavan> i went online to try and fix the problem
[19:53] <Exagone313> donavan: in general, please never run random command you find on websites without knowing what each does
[19:54] <Exagone313> I think we don't quite understand your black screen problem
[19:55] <Exagone313> you get a black screen after 10min or so? what is the issue exactly? without thinking of dpkg or apt-get or updates
[19:56] <donavan> i am just going to try and reinstall the os and figure it out from there i have no idea what else to say lol like i said im new to all of this
[19:57] <Exagone313> this ain't the OS where reinstalling is always the easiest option :P
[19:57] <donavan> i know but its a fresh start i talked to some one earlier today and they said to get a syslog url for them i have that if it helps
[20:16] <cerion> how do I interpret the ouput of badblocks with (80/0/0 errors)
[20:16] <cerion> ?
[20:20] <tsimonq2> Let's say I have a system that I installed which only boots to memtest and when running update-grub2 from a Live CD only displays memtest.
[20:20] <tsimonq2> What do I do to diagnose this?
[20:20] <tsimonq2> linux-generic is installed.
[20:22] <tsimonq2> Googling hasn't helped here :)
[20:24] <EriC^^> tsimonq2: empty /boot?
[20:25] <tsimonq2> EriC^^: Nope, /boot is full of stuff.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> EriC^^: (i.e. the usual)
[20:26] <kostkon> cerion, you'll probably have to provide some more info
[20:26] <tsimonq2> update-grub doesn't work, grub-install /dev/sda doesn't work, using update-initramfs to remove the current initramfs and create a new one doesn't work
[20:26] <EriC^^> tsimonq2: hmm
[20:26] <tsimonq2> ("doesn't work" meaning it still only shows memtest)
[20:27] <EriC^^> tsimonq2: i'd setup a chroot and see update-grub and what /boot/grub/grub.cfg has and any possible other grub bootloaders that are getting loaded at boot up
[20:28] <EriC^^> is it just that one sda disk installed?
[20:28] <tsimonq2> yea
[20:30] <EriC^^> pastebin the output of 'sudo parted -ls'
[20:30] <EriC^^> tsimonq2: ^
[20:30] <tsimonq2> oh hm, I see that purging all the kernel packages and reinstalling all of them seems to get update-grub to pick it up, hold on :)
[20:31] <tsimonq2> I wonder *why* that would fix it.
[20:32] <tsimonq2> EriC^^: I'm creating a VM snapshot atm and trying a reboot, if that works, then the next thing I'm going to try and find out is how to reproducably fix this for myself in the future :)
[20:32] <tsimonq2> If not, I'll give you the output of the parted command.
[20:34] <tsimonq2> O_O
[20:34] <tsimonq2> That *did* work
[20:36] <tsimonq2> EriC^^: Thanks.
[20:39] <EriC^^> tsimonq2: glad you got it working
[20:39] <texla> I have Ubuntu 16.04 with grub 2.02..I want to multiboot pclinuxos mate 2017.11 64bit grub 2.02..It has been my experience that if adding grub to /dev/sda that it will form its own menu..How can i add it to the Ubuntu menu
[20:47] <callahanp_> trying to access a windows share from Ubuntu Budgie.  I get Unable to select appropriate authentication method!  Send error in SessSetup = -22 cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22
[21:26] <Cousarr> Hello. Having a bit of trouble installing Ubuntu on a system that runs Windows 10 okay.
[21:26] <Cousarr> I've tried Ubuntu server and Lubuntu
[21:26] <Cousarr> Both get kernel panics
[21:28] <tomreyn> Cousarr: which  hardware is it, what does the kernel panic look like?
[21:28] <Cousarr> Ryzen 1500X
[21:28] <Cousarr> And it's a fatal exception in interrupt
[21:28] <tomreyn> can you paste it?
[21:29] <tomreyn> !paste | Cousarr
[21:29] <tomreyn> and, finally, which ubuntu release are you using?
[21:29] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds
[21:29] <Cousarr> Yeah. Let me restart without the current smattering of boot options i tried
[21:30] <Cousarr> I'm currently trying Lubuntu 17.10 64-bit
[21:30] <K0b> ?
[21:31] <K0b> WHat's the absolute best distro for really old laptops/pcs?
[21:32] <tomreyn> Cousarr: ok, and can you show the whole kernel panic?
[21:32] <tomreyn> K0b: we only support ubuntu here, so this won't help you answering this question.
[21:33] <Cousarr> Uploading now
[21:33] <Cousarr> https://imgur.com/JJ59yGN
[21:34] <MonkeyDust> K0b  better aks in #linux (or is it ##linux)
[21:34] <MonkeyDust> ask*
[21:34] <K0b> Thanks
[21:34] <tomreyn> Cousarr: that's pretty standard with ryzen, i'm afraid. you'll need to build your own kernel and pray.
[21:35] <tomreyn> Cousarr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/1690085
[21:36] <tomreyn> Cousarr: you should also be able to get a newer bios, which, combined with the workarounds dicuseed on this bug report (which is a hardware bug), may alllow you to stabilize the system.
[21:37] <Cousarr> Alrighy, l'll read through and see what I can find.
[21:38] <tomreyn> i tired to sum it up here, in case you're in a hurry https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/1690085/comments/69
[21:38] <tomreyn> *tried
[21:39] <tomreyn> and the last post points to instructions on how to build a kernel that can work
[21:39] <Cousarr> I have zero idea how to build a kernel with altered options
[21:40] <tomreyn> that's why i pointed this out ;)
[21:40] <Cousarr> Gotcha. I was scrolled up
[21:40] <tomreyn> http://blog.programster.org/ubuntu-16-04-compile-custom-kernel-for-ryzen guides you through the process
[21:40] <JoeLlama> when you use "apt-offline get ..." where do the files that you get go?  I can't find them anywhere.
[21:42] <Cousarr> Hmm... I don't have a Linux install locally to do this build and Cygwin is generally fussy
[21:42] <texla> I have Ubuntu 16.04 with grub 2.02..I want to multiboot pclinuxos mate 2017.11 64bit grub 2.02..It has been my experience that if adding grub to /dev/sda that it will form its own menu..How can i add it to the Ubuntu menu
[21:43] <tomreyn> Cousarr: does it crash immediately then?
[21:43] <tomreyn> you can build it in a VM if it helps.
[21:44] <Cousarr> Yeah.
[21:44] <Cousarr> I'll probably do it on a AWS nano or something
[21:44] <Guest96> does it exist some kinda-new harded-secuirty guide for a homeserver on ubuntudesktop, just nexctcloud/ftp/plex right now atleast
[21:45] <JoeLlama> has anyone had experience with apt-offline get?  It downloaded lots of files.  Where does it put the files?
[21:45] <tomreyn> texla: my experience is that when multi booting with two linux installations your best approach is to make one of them not use grub at all (read: uninstall grub / all boot loaders there) and have the other one handle booting for both. you'd either manually add a grub stanza or use os-prober for this purpose.
[21:46] <tomreyn> Cousarr: i could pass you my packages but you'd not know whether to trust them.
[21:47] <Cousarr> I don't have a super security sensitive application for this machine. You have them on FTP?
[21:47] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: do you know how to use man pages, yet?
[21:47] <JoeLlama> wait I found where the files go but I think I need to be superuser to ge to the directory
[21:48] <JoeLlama> it's sisn /tmp/ tomreyn
[21:48] <tomreyn> Cousarr: not yet, but could upload so you could pull them off https
[21:48] <JoeLlama> oops it's in /tmp/
[21:48] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: right, as it says on the man page
[21:48] <Cousarr> That'd work
[21:49] <JoeLlama> ha ok thanks tomreyn
[21:50] <Cousarr> I then have to figure out where to stick it on the boot USB
[21:51] <tomreyn> Cousarr: the boot usb?
[21:52] <Cousarr> Yeah. I'm attempting to install from the ISO placed onto a USB
[21:52] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: install the 'man-db' package, then run "man apt-offline", press 'q' to quit the viewer
[21:52] <tomreyn> Cousarr: oh well it will be tougher from a non running system, and impossible if you dont already run linux
[21:53] <Cousarr> the kernel panic happens pretty much immediately after Grub from the USB
[21:53] <tomreyn> Cousarr: do the bios update first, that should give you more time
[21:54] <tomreyn> btw it's uploading, roughly 10 minutes to go.
[21:55] <Cousarr> Alright. I'm trying to track down the BIOS update for my MB
[21:55] <zomaar> How could it be possible that after installing packages they are not in /var/cache/apt/archives?
[21:56] <zomaar> I mean directly after
[21:57] <tomreyn> zomaar: autoclean is an APT option which i think can be used so that packages no longer required are immediately purged.
[21:57] <tomreyn> "man apt.conf"  should discuss it, i think
[21:59] <zomaar> Cannot find it
[21:59] <zomaar> I have APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0"; set to 0 which I thought would disable it, also that is only supposed to be run by daily apt
[22:01] <zomaar> Clean-Installed defaults to On though
[22:01] <Scott0_> im getting just a blank screen on install of server 16.04
[22:01] <tomreyn> Cousarr: did you find it, yet? https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-GAMING-PRO#down-bios
[22:02] <zomaar> But that's only supposed to wipe uninstallable packages
[22:03] <zomaar> And only for the apt-get autoclean action ;-) :)
[22:04] <zomaar> I must say I am running in a chroot but that's the only difference
[22:04] <tomreyn> Cousarr: http://tomreyn.megaglest.org/ryzen/
[22:05] <Cousarr> Cool, thanks. I'm still working on the BIOS
[22:05] <tomreyn> Cousarr: actually  https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/ryzen/ ; my gpg key is on keyservers in case you'd like to verify the checksums.
[22:05] <OERIAS> So I installed Unity on Ubuntu 17.10, but the notifications for volume or when a torrent is finished downloading is not pulling up?
[22:05] <OERIAS> Any ideas?
[22:06] <SemiNus> hi
[22:08] <SemiNus> there is an offline-computer with an old version of ubuntu which I just wanted to install a package on
[22:08] <SemiNus> however, this does not work:
[22:08] <SemiNus> https://dpaste.de/Dgt4/raw
[22:08] <tomreyn> zomaar: hmm i must have made this up, can't find it anywhere
[22:08] <SemiNus> when running aptitude I get the error "404  Not Found [IP: 141.30.62.25 80]"
[22:09] <tomreyn> !yakkety | SemiNus
[22:09] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade | SemiNus
[22:10] <SemiNus> tomreyn, yeah, but the archive should still work, shouldn't it?
[22:10] <tomreyn> SemiNus: only if the offline computer is an online computer and the package archives have not been moved to old-releases.ubuntu,com, yet.
[22:11] <SemiNus> can I fetch it from there?
[22:12] <tomreyn> SemiNus: not without tremendous work. i would recommend to just install a supported ubuntu release
[22:12] <tomreyn> SemiNus: that is, if the offline computer is still an offline computer. if, howeverm, the offline computer is in fact an online computer, then you could do as the !eolupgrade hinted - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[22:12] <SemiNus> tomreyn, I see
[22:12] <SemiNus> thank you!
[22:13] <linuxlove> hello
[22:13] <SemiNus> tomreyn, how can I see whether Yakketi has been moved to the "old-releases" already?
[22:13] <tomreyn> Cousarr: let me know whether you got it to work and whether it helped, if oyu like, i would appreciate it.
[22:13] <linuxlove> hello
[22:14] <linuxlove> how can i know skype is running in which port ?
[22:14] <zomaar> It has been moved and then universe and multiverse have been deleted
[22:14] <tomreyn> SemiNus: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[22:14] <SemiNus> tomreyn, it's there
[22:14] <SemiNus> so does this mean I cannot find _any_ place with packages any more!?
[22:14] <linuxlove> who can help ?
[22:15] <SemiNus> linuxlove, try to open the "Options"
[22:15] <SemiNus> nah, "Tools"
[22:15] <linuxlove> SemiNus, i tried
[22:15] <SemiNus> then under "Connection" it should say it
[22:16] <SemiNus> Use port ... for incoming conversations
[22:16] <tomreyn> SemiNus: no, it does not mean this. read again what ubottu and i told you. old-releases.ubuntu,com is an apt archive server, you just need to edit your sources.list as discussed on the wiki page i pointed oyu to twice so far.
[22:16] <linuxlove> but this a new version that i installed
[22:16] <SemiNus> linuxlove, in this case I don't know
[22:16] <SemiNus> tomreyn, re-reading now - sorry
[22:16] <linuxlove> under tools i see settings
[22:17] <linuxlove> SemiNus, how can i know if i want to use terminal and looking for skype
[22:18] <theobromine> i'm on ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS and suddenly firefox stops playing audio and complains about needing to install pulseaudio
[22:18] <Cousarr> Sure thing Tomreyn, I'm still working on flashing the BIOS
[22:18] <tomreyn> linuxlove: "sudo lsof -i" or "sudo nnetstat -pan --inet"
[22:18] <theobromine> i hadn't run any apt update/upgrade commands
[22:18] <linuxlove> and where i use pip for that
[22:18] <theobromine> in an attempt to make firefox audio work again, i did run an apt update/upgrade
[22:19] <tomreyn> Cousarr: no rush, i might not be around to respond later, but i'll still be connected and catch up later.
[22:19] <theobromine> and it complains that i have unmet dependencies from : linux-image-extra-4.13.0-32-generic : Depends: linux-image-4.13.0-32-generic but it is not installed
[22:19] <linuxlove> you mean lsof -i |grep skype ?
[22:19] <theobromine> and from linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 : Depends: linux-image-4.13.0-32-generic but it is not installed
[22:20] <theobromine> then it complains that /boot is full
[22:20] <tomreyn> linuxlove: if that's the process name, yes
[22:20] <Richard_Cavell> Not sure if this is the right channel for this, but is there such a thing as 16-bit Linux code, and would it run on Ubuntu 64-bit?
[22:21] <Brittany> Hello
[22:21] <tomreyn> Richard_Cavell: maybe ask this in ##linux
[22:21] <linuxlove> i used sudo lsof -i |grep skypeforlinux
[22:22] <linuxlove> but no result
[22:22] <theobromine> i try to remove the linux images from /boot which i don't need via apt
[22:22] <theobromine> and then i get stuck where apt refuses to free up space on /boot because /boot is full
[22:22] <theobromine> and -f doesn't help anything
[22:23] <tomreyn> linuxlove: i don't think skype is actually supported here. it's not on the package archives nor does it seem to be on canonical's partner repository. maybe contact the company producing it.
[22:23] <linuxlove> oh my god
[22:24] <Brittany> Hello
[22:24] <Brittany> Hello
[22:25] <zomaar> SemiNus: If you want the full archive I actually have it mirrored at http://ubuntu-mirror.sagemode.net/ubuntu/ but I have it choked to 64kB/s
[22:26] <akik> linuxlove: skype is a client program. do you mean it's listening on a port when it starts up?
[22:26] <SemiNus> zomaar, thank you very much!!
[22:26] <tomreyn> theobromine: you may need to remove a kernel image using "dpkg --purge packagename" then
[22:27] <linuxlove> found that
[22:27] <tomreyn> theobromine: replace 'packagename' by the kernel image package name as listed when you run: dpkg -l 'linux-*' | grep ^i
[22:27] <theobromine> so i deleted the kernel image using rm -rf
[22:27] <SemiNus> zomaar, the old-releases don't seem to have all packages... there are many missing
[22:27] <theobromine> i deleted about half of the installed kernel images
[22:27] <tomreyn> theobromine: this also works, but you'll still want to remove the kernel packages.
[22:27] <theobromine> and apt still complains that my /boot is full (which doesn't make sense)
[22:27] <zomaar> SemiNus: It only has main
[22:27] <theobromine> and then i run the --purge command
[22:27] <theobromine> and it fails
[22:28] <akik> linuxlove: found what?
[22:28] <SemiNus> zomaar, so there are only private people like you who mirrored all the packages?
[22:28] <linuxlove> i mean the port that i was looking for that
[22:28] <theobromine> it complains of "dependency problems"
[22:28] <linuxlove> udp
[22:28] <tomreyn> theobromine: run this: sudo du -hxd1 / | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:29] <zomaar> I guess
[22:29] <akik> linuxlove: it opens many connections and that one udp port 48906 but i'm not sure if it's random
[22:29] <zomaar> Unless you can find an existing mirror
[22:29] <akik> 48907
[22:29] <zomaar> But nothing official
[22:29] <theobromine> http://termbin.com/xinu
[22:29] <tomreyn> theobromine: it will generate an overview of where most space is used on your systems' root partition ( / ) and upload that, returning a URL
[22:30] <theobromine> this is the second time that i've had ubuntu 16.04 LTS fill up /boot and then get into a state i can't unfuck
[22:30] <SemiNus> zomaar, using your mirror then
[22:30] <SemiNus> thank you
[22:30] <tomreyn> theobromine: sorry, i was being silly, this was the wrong comand. use this: df -h /boot
[22:31] <tomreyn> theobromine: does it say Use% 100% ?
[22:31] <theobromine> http://termbin.com/9jf1
[22:31] <theobromine> there probably should be an open bug report on this
[22:31] <tomreyn> theobromine: so yes it's still mostly full
[22:32] <tomreyn> theobromine: file systems running full is not considered a bug usually. maybe you should resize /boot
[22:32] <theobromine> well it refuses to purge...?
[22:32] <tomreyn> theobromine: can you show the output of that?
[22:33] <Cousarr> Hmm... I got into BIOS once after the flash and now the system's not displaying the POST splash :(
[22:33] <theobromine> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of linux-image-4.10.0-35-generic:
[22:33] <theobromine>  linux-image-extra-4.10.0-35-generic depends on linux-image-4.10.0-35-generic.
[22:33] <zomaar> Oh, I only have amd64
[22:33] <zomaar> @ SemiNus
[22:33] <tomreyn> Cousarr: you may need to re-apply the bios configuration changes you had applied previously, if any.
[22:34] <SemiNus> zomaar, I guess that should be fine?!
[22:34] <theobromine> (ubuntu should be able to manage /boot without me worrying about the partition size or any other stuff. ubuntu should "just work")
[22:34] <Cousarr> I can't get back into the BIOS at all after restarting from BIOS
[22:34] <zomaar> Yeah I guess unless you want Wine etc
[22:34] <SemiNus> zomaar, amd64 is a normal 64 bit system?
[22:34] <zomaar> Yes
[22:34] <tomreyn> Cousarr: by 'POST splash', do you mean the pre-boot one (probably some MSI logo / image) or the post boot one (something ubuntu-like)?
[22:35] <Cousarr> The MSI logo
[22:35] <SemiNus> zomaar, would you mind making the connection faster for the next 15 mins?
[22:35] <SemiNus> even 10 minutes would be enough
[22:35] <tomreyn> theobromine: there is probably a feature request about increasing the default /boot file system size.
[22:35] <zomaar> Well it's actually throttled at higher if you use concurrent connections
[22:36] <zomaar> But I don't know how to make apt do that
[22:36] <tomreyn> Cousarr: oh and it no longer shows that now? hmm, does it beep, though?
[22:36] <SemiNus> I also don't know it
[22:36] <theobromine> did you see the dkpg error i posted?
[22:36] <SemiNus> I will just live with the 64 KB
[22:37] <Cousarr> No beep. System fans come on and the system won't shut down on a soft press of the power button
[22:37] <SemiNus> zomaar, your repo has no "libapache2-mod-php"
[22:37] <tomreyn> Cousarr: you didn't interrupt the flashing by chance?
[22:37] <Cousarr> I did not
[22:38] <Cousarr> It completed, restarted, put me in the BIOS. I checked the settings and did a save/exit
[22:38] <JoeLlama> okay so like, under windows there is a wonderful CPU regulating program called ThrottleStop and it will throttle down the speed and power on the CPU so that when on battery power you can get more run time.  For gaming you can overclock your CPU (on a 2.8 GHz you can push that up to 3..8 GHz for instance).  What can I use for linux that does the same thing?
[22:39] <tomreyn> Cousarr: long press the power button, then pull the power plug, then reconnect it after 10s, then try again. but this is really a case for ##hardware (a Freenode channel you can join) or for MSI support now. maybe check their forums, too.
[22:39]  * Toadisattva subscribed for answer to Joes question
[22:39] <Cousarr> Yup, fun fun
[22:39] <tomreyn> Cousarr: sorry for pushing you there, but this should usually just work :-/
[22:40] <Cousarr> This PC has been a consistent pain in the ass
[22:40] <JoeLlama> mind you when I overclock a 2.8 GHz processor to 3.8 GHz it peaks around 93C so like, not recommended to go that fast.
[22:42] <theobromine> tomreyn: you still around? did you see my dkpg error?
[22:42] <tomreyn> theobromine: i did now, be sure to mention my nickname so i don't miss what you say.
[22:42] <theobromine> ok thanks
[22:42] <tomreyn> theobromine: having a look, give me a minute
[22:43] <tomreyn> theobromine: sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-extra-4.10.0-35-generic linux-image-4.10.0-35-generic
[22:44] <theobromine> ok that's working
[22:45] <theobromine> tomreyn: shouldn't dpkg be able to figure that out...?
[22:45] <tomreyn> theobromine: also please show the output of: dpkg -l 'linux*' | grep ^[ri]
[22:45] <zomaar> SemiNus: I just mirrored it with apt-mirror, maybe the tool is faulty
[22:45] <theobromine> tomreyn: yeah sure one sec
[22:45] <tomreyn> theobromine: figure out what exactly?
[22:45] <hiig> Anybody have experience getting nvidia-settings to work on headless systems?
[22:46] <zomaar> SemiNus: The package is called libapache2-mod-php7.0 btw
[22:46] <SemiNus> zomaar, I got it to work
[22:46] <SemiNus> deleted all packages that were not available
[22:46] <theobromine> http://termbin.com/0q0h
[22:46] <zomaar> Oh wait no, but it exists on the repo
[22:46] <theobromine> tomreyn: ^
[22:46] <zomaar> Ah ok
[22:46] <JoeLlama> hey tomreyn thanks for the help earlier.  apt-offline is working nicely and I have updates installed!  Next step for later is getting software packages installed.  First one is going to be VLC (looks tricky) but that is for another time :) :)
[22:46] <SemiNus> placed your mirror and the official one in the sources.list
[22:46] <SemiNus> and then it worked
[22:46] <SemiNus> maybe it downloaded from you, maybe from the official one
[22:46] <SemiNus> however it works :)
[22:47] <SemiNus> thank you!
[22:47] <zomaar> Well that was the intent as long as "main" is on the official one
[22:47] <tomreyn> theobromine: doh that's a lot of kernel images. normally, apt would automatically remove any but the last two it which the linux-image metapackage depends on. maybe you don't have this installed?
[22:48] <theobromine> tomreyn: don't have wha tinstalled?
[22:48] <SemiNus> where can I vote for a package to be added to ubuntu?
[22:48] <tomreyn> theobromine: linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 - but you do have it installed.
[22:48] <SemiNus> I want this to be available in ubuntu:
[22:48] <SemiNus> http://trinitydesktop.org
[22:48] <theobromine> tomreyn: i've been following plain vanilla usage of 16.04 LTS and haven't been doing anything silly/unusual
[22:48] <SemiNus> who decides that?
[22:48] <zomaar> SemiNus: Apparently apt-mirror does not mirror all indexes
[22:49] <theobromine> tomreyn: i haven't modified /boot manually until just now with the rm -rf on some of the files
[22:49] <theobromine> tomreyn: and this same filling up process has happened on two totally different machines of mine
[22:49] <brainwash> SemiNus: you can install it https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/UbuntuInstall
[22:50] <tomreyn> theobromine: this is ubuntu 16.04, right?
[22:50] <SemiNus> brainwash, yes, I know - but I meant it would be cool if it was added to the "official" ubuntu packages
[22:50] <theobromine> tomreyn: ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[22:50] <brainwash> SemiNus: and you would be willing to maintain those packages?
[22:50] <theobromine> tomreyn: this one came from 16.04.3 LTS
[22:51] <donavan> hello
[22:51] <theobromine> tomreyn: my other machine which ended up with a screwed up /boot started at 16.04.1 LTS
[22:51] <stevendale> Here, have a fishy
[22:51] <stevendale> ><>
[22:52] <brainwash> SemiNus: I assume that adding a whole desktop environment to the official repo requires quite some work
[22:52] <SemiNus> brainwash, no, but the guys from trinity desktop do it anyway
[22:52] <tomreyn> theobromine: this discusses how 'old' kernels can be automatically removed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels
[22:52] <brainwash> SemiNus: I suggest that you contact them, and tell them about your idea
[22:52] <stevendale> brainwash, sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[22:53] <JoeLlama> heh fishy
[22:53] <SemiNus> ok brainwash thank you!
[22:53] <akik> SemiNus: you can get plasma 4 in kubuntu 14.04, although it's not kde 3
[22:53] <tomreyn> theobromine: for now i suggest you dpkg --purge a couple more old kernel packages, then run: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -V
[22:54] <brainwash> akik: then why even suggest it? =S
[22:54] <SemiNus> akik, I _love_ KDE3 (trinity desktop now)
[22:54] <tomreyn> theobromine: also remove the outdated 'linux-headers' packages
[22:54] <akik> brainwash: because what he's asking is not possible
[22:55] <SemiNus> KDE4 has too many flaws
[22:55] <brainwash> that is the reason why trinity exists
[22:55] <SemiNus> kde3 is just perfect
[22:55] <theobromine> tomreyn: how do i do that?
[22:56] <tomreyn> theobromine: what exactly?
[22:56] <theobromine> the outdated headers
[22:56] <tomreyn> theobromine: same as for the linux-image packages. example: sudo dpkg --purge linux-headers-4.10.0-33 linux-headers-4.10.0-33-generic
[22:57] <drgitlab> I'm trying to configure Plymouth to show static image during as much as the boot sequence as possible, with no interruptions, no black screens, until desktop autologin. I left the i3 statusbar at bottom so it is easy to see when i3 window manager is loaded.  Is anyone able to help figure out how to get rid of the black screen disruptions? Here's video: https://youtu.be/hqbSvEuLioQ
[22:58] <stevejobsinhell> hi
[22:58] <tomreyn> theobromine: if this is indeed a google cloud VM then you should probably use unattended-upgrades to have updates installed automatically there.
[22:59] <akik> SemiNus: actually, reading the trinity web pages, you can install it on ubuntu
[22:59] <akik> SemiNus: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/UbuntuInstall
[22:59] <brainwash> I've already linked that
[22:59] <SemiNus> akik, yes, I know, I only thought more programmers would find it interesting if it was an official package
[23:00] <SemiNus> akik, there are only very few programmers working on it and I am afraid the project could die
[23:00] <brainwash> having not maintained packages in the official ubuntu repo isn't an option either
[23:00] <theobromine> tomreyn: yeah it sounds like ubuntu "wants" me to install unattended upgrades, except that if those automatic upgrades screw my computer when i can't tolerate it, i'm out of business
[23:00] <akik> SemiNus: what problem do you have with plasma 4?
[23:01] <theobromine> tomreyn: so 'automatic upgrades' is an inherently flawed concept
[23:01] <theobromine> tomreyn: i want "auto unfuck /boot"
[23:01] <tomreyn> theobromine: i'd say not installing updates is an even more flawed concept
[23:01] <brainwash> drgitlab: that can be very tricky, and heavily depend on your gpu + driver
[23:02] <stevejobsinhell> network managers says ---> The VPN connection '...' failed because the VPN service failed to start
[23:02] <theobromine> tomreyn: yeah i know, but the Real World is different
[23:02] <SemiNus> akik, 2 problems actually:  1) the task bar (where you find the minimized windows) => it keeps re-arranging the windows when you force a 2nd row.  This is very confusing when you always have to search for your window.
[23:02] <brainwash> drgitlab: wouldn't having no image at all be the be cleanest solution? just black screen until everything is ready
[23:02] <SemiNus> it's marked as non-fix
[23:02] <SemiNus> akik, and the ALT+F2 dialogue does not work like in kde3
[23:03] <donavan> well this black screen is getting annoying lol
[23:03] <akik> SemiNus: ok can't help with those :P
[23:03] <SemiNus> when I type "k" I want to get a dropdown with the programs that I usually use like "kwrite" and "kate" and so on, and not a list of ALL available programs starting with "k" and not even a dropdown
[23:03] <tomreyn> theobromine: organizations which share the same qualms about unattended updates with you would not update automatically but have regular maintenances where they do it during a maintenance period (say, once a week).
[23:03] <SemiNus> in the ALT+F2 dialogue
[23:04] <tomreyn> theobromine: trust me, i live in the same world you do. ;)
[23:05] <zomaar> Automatically installing kernels is just plain not smart
[23:05]  * theobromine agrees
[23:06] <theobromine> especially right now because everyone is rushing updates because intel
[23:06] <brainwash> and amd and arm and ..
[23:07] <donavan> i have a question. what would make my screen go black when opening a program? i opened libreoffice calc and it started to load then my screen went black i had to restart it to get my display back
[23:07] <maheshpec> hi everyone.. i'm having a problem with wireless speeds in ubuntu - getting about 500 kbps. I dual boot a windows and am getting about 50 mbps. I've followed all the suggestions in https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2332987 but no dice.. i've pasted my wireless info results at https://paste.ubuntu.com/26521705/. could you guys please help :'(
[23:08] <tomreyn> theobromine: i really recommend to take a closer look at unattended-upgrades even (and actually especially) if you want to use it on systems which provide important services to you. you can actually use it to just remove the old kernel images and not install any updates automatically. or, that's the default. to only install security updates, which does not modify functionality for server software, but just patch vulnerabilities.
[23:08]  * theobromine thinks the second coming of windows is occurring
[23:09] <tomreyn> i meant so write "unattended-updates" there
[23:09] <theobromine> tomreyn: it's really not cool for /boot to be a ticking time bomb for your average everyday user
[23:09] <tomreyn> actully i didnt :)
[23:09] <theobromine> tomreyn: and furthermore it's not okay to expect the average user to enable unattended upgrades
[23:10] <theobromine> tomreyn: therefore you guys need some kind of auto unfuck /boot process
[23:10] <tomreyn> theobromine: the average everyday user doesn't run into this issue since they run unattended-upgrades
[23:10] <apm> Hello, sorry for the newbie question, but does anybody know the keyboard shortcut for "Page Forward" in W3M?
[23:11] <tomreyn> theobromine: i'm not involved in ubuntu other than chatting here really.
[23:11] <theobromine> tomreyn: users sophisticated enough to wan tto use linux are unlikely to trust unattended upgrade timing
[23:11] <drgitlab> brainwash, For best UX, if it's possible (which I think it is, or others have done so), I'd like to figure out how to seamlessly transition without any black.  https://blogs.gnome.org/halfline/2009/11/28/plymouth-%e2%9f%b6-x-transition/ suggests it is possible without any flicker, resolution changes, black intermediate screens, or console text to show up
[23:12] <theobromine> the new osx upgrades were a disaster and many users postponed installing them
[23:12] <brainwash> drgitlab: 2009? oh boy
[23:13] <tomreyn> theobromine: other OS's mix security and feature updates, ubuntu, for the very most part, does not. this makes a huge difference in terms of whether you'll experience interruptions.
[23:13] <drgitlab> brainwash, Yeah. I'm trying to figure out what the X -nr switch is :)
[23:14] <brainwash> drgitlab: not sure I can help with that :/
[23:15] <brainwash> drgitlab: could be that someone in ##linux knows about this
[23:15] <drgitlab> I see -br is to create a root window with black background
[23:35] <nerdinja> trying to check if apache's port is forwarded correctly, i used sudo netstat -anp | grep 80
[23:35] <nerdinja> it returned tcp6       0      0 :::80                   :::*                    LISTEN      6165/apache2
[23:35] <nerdinja> that is all wrong, right?
[23:35] <gonsays> Hey guys, I am executing "nohup rails server webrick &" - but this command only works in the folder called: /root/thingspeak - how can I program a crontab to make sure it is always running? My server is always crashing
[23:36] <tomreyn> nerdinja: it's only wrong if you think it is. apache httpd is listening on all IPV6 addresses on port 80 just fine
[23:37] <tomreyn> (not on ipv4, though, in case you expected that)
[23:39] <tomreyn> gonsays: learn how to write a services file for your init system, or use runit or daemontools. a crontab itself won't restart it if it fails.
[23:40] <nerdinja> yeah i guess that's what i meant, shouldn't it be (by default even) also listening on ipv4?
[23:40] <tomreyn> gonsays: also, you most deinfitely should not run a webserver as user 'root'
[23:40] <GrandPa-G> I just upgraded my laptop from 16.04 to 17.10 through the software upgrade program. I had rdp working such that I could connect my windows PC to the laptop. After the upgrade, the windows machine erros with basic I can't connect for several possible reasons. Should rdp keep working after upgrade?
[23:41] <tomreyn> nerdinja: yes, by default i think it should and would.
[23:41] <nerdinja> gonsays: yeah, tomreyn is 100% right about not doing anything as user 'root' on your webserver, there's no reason to not just add a username and use that with sudo instead
[23:41] <nerdinja> i learned that the hard way, spent hours configuring my first vps only to lock myself out permanently multiple times
[23:41] <nerdinja> haha
[23:42] <gonsays> nerdinja, the rails server is crashing for no reason, this is just a test server
[23:42] <nerdinja> tomreyn: well now i must figure out what config file to edit
[23:42] <nerdinja> gonsays: oh, I see
[23:42] <nerdinja> missed that
[23:44] <tomreyn> nerdinja: does "apachectl -S" list ipv4 addresses + ":80"?
[23:46] <tomreyn> nerdinja: also try: sudo lsof -ni :80
[23:47] <tomreyn> anyways, i need to leave it there, got to go.
[23:55] <stevejobsinhell> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/IPsec_L2TP_VPN_server  How do you actually start this server?  It just tells you to configure a bunch of config files.
[23:57] <theobromine> tomreyn: ok so my pulseaudio still isn't working
[23:57] <theobromine> tomreyn: or really, audio in firefox
[23:57] <theobromine> tomreyn: pulseaudio --check reports,... literally nothing (just advances to the prompt)
[23:57] <theobromine> but if i try to run pulseaudio, it says daemon already running
[23:58] <BlitzerHound> I can't get a microphone to work, is there anyone that might be able to help me out?