[01:19] <Crell> Hello, peoples. When I installed this 17.10 system a few weeks ago, I set it up with an encrypted hard drive, and otherwise default disk configuration.  It set me up with 16 GB swap. I now want to increase it to 32 GB swap. However, gparted doesn't show me a swap partition. It just shows an EFI partition (0.5 GB), a /boot partition, and an encrypted lvm2 partition.  So, um, how do I add more swap?
[02:10] <valorie> !swap
[02:11] <valorie> Crell: ^^^
[03:48] <Crell> valorie: Hm.  So is it 17.10 that uses a swap file rather than partition, or is it because it's an encrypted disk?  (I've always used a dedicated swap partition in the past, but haven't encrypted the disk before.)
[03:49] <valorie> Crell: that I do not know, but ubuntu as a whole has gone to swapfile
[03:49] <valorie> you should be able to use a partition if you want, right?
[03:50] <valorie> I didn't re-read the faq in the above link
[03:50] <Crell> Presumably; unless doing a resize on an encrypted file system will cause issues(tm).
[03:50] <Crell> But if I can just resize an existing swap file that should be adequate as well.  (I don't much care which it is as long as it works.)
[03:53] <valorie> the folks who wrote that faq know about such stuff and I do not
[03:53] <valorie> people in #ubuntu might know more, as well
[03:53] <valorie> we sort of specialize in the kubuntu only questions here
[03:53]  * Crell nods.
[03:54] <Crell> I've been using Kubuntu for years. I find I have about 50/50 odds between #ubuntu and #kubuntu in getting a question answered. :-)
[03:54] <valorie> well, we're friendly
[03:54] <valorie> :-)
[03:54] <Crell> :-)
[03:54] <valorie> but they are a much larger chan
[03:55] <Crell> Hm, fstab lists /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 as the swap partition.
[03:55] <Crell> Which... I interpret as "you're using an encryped filesystem so we assumed you wanted an encrypted swap too, so we used a swapfile."  Which is logical.
[06:03] <SJr> When booting kubuntu off a usb stick the USB stick boot process never finshes due to hard disk read errors of my main hard disk. Is there a way to get to a shell quickly. I am trying to recover the data.
[06:04] <SJr> I strongly believe the data is readable, I just need to get to a shell and ddrescue it.
[06:08] <valorie> SJr: http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/ is probably a better idea then
[06:08] <valorie> much less chrooting, etc.
[06:08] <valorie> plus: much smaller, thus faster to boot
[06:18] <SJr> Yeah I already had a Kubuntu 17.04 USB stick
[06:18] <SJr> and it eventually booted
[06:18] <SJr> but I just tried updating using apt-get and it refused.
[06:18] <SJr> Because they are unauthenticated repos.
[06:19] <SJr> Why does the live cd refuse to update packages that seems broken.
[06:19] <valorie> SJr: what version are you trying to boot?
[06:19] <SJr> 17.04
[06:19] <valorie> !eol
[06:19] <valorie> 17.10 is the current release
[06:20] <SJr> oh right
[06:20] <valorie> oh, now I see you said that, duh
[06:20] <valorie> sorry
[06:20] <valorie> you should still be able to get to a shell in the usual way
[06:21] <valorie> dunno if you have to chroot in or can run ddrescue as is
[06:21] <valorie> !ddrescue
[06:21] <SJr> Yeah I did, and then I tried to install ddrescue and apt refused to install anything.
[06:21] <SJr> But I guess that's beacuse it's EOL.
[06:21] <SJr> So that's fine
[06:21] <valorie> oh, it's not there
[06:21] <valorie> dd will be
[06:21] <SJr> Yeah it's called gddrescue or dd_rescue.
[06:21] <valorie> right
[06:22] <SJr> but I'm going to download 17.10 and try again tomorrow.
[06:22] <valorie> if you already have the ISO on disk, you could just zsync or rsync it
[06:22] <valorie> just get the changes
[06:23] <valorie> unless you have a fast connection, in which case that is the simplest, yeah
[06:24] <valorie> this discusses how to zsync in the commandline: http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2018/01/seeding-new-isos-easy-zsync-way.html
[06:28] <SJr> I'm just going to bed anyway
[06:28] <SJr> thanks
[06:28] <SJr> Cheers
[06:28] <valorie> niters
[06:28] <valorie> best of luck tomorrow
[07:16] <anz> can somebody help me out here
[07:17] <anz> little strange thing with my kubuntu 1710
[07:17] <anz> I have bluetooth earphones connected to my laptop
[07:17] <valorie> yes?
[07:17] <anz> I can see them and they are working
[07:17] <anz> I can hear sound from there
[07:17] <anz> I put them as a default output
[07:18] <anz> now I want to listen to the music from youtube
[07:18] <anz> and as soon I hit play on youtube
[07:18] <anz> default output is turned to laptops internal speakers
[07:18] <valorie> what did you use to route the sound to them, anz?
[07:19] <valorie> you probably have to use pulseaudio
[07:19] <anz> :)
[07:19] <anz> well I didint use anything specifically
[07:19] <valorie> which I think is pa-something
[07:19] <anz> I thoudht that if I set those earphones as default
[07:19] <valorie> pasystray
[07:19] <valorie> one would think
[07:20] <valorie> but for some reason, pulseaudio doesn't think you mean it unless you specifically set it there
[07:20] <hateball> anz: if you click the volume applet while stuff is playing you should be able to see which output it uses, and also change it
[07:20] <valorie> :(
[07:20] <valorie> hateball: you should indeed
[07:20] <anz> yes and from there I see that it uses internal speakers
[07:20] <valorie> only on my bluetooth earbuds (the week they worked) -- no worky
[07:21] <valorie> except with pasystray
[07:21] <valorie> I should have filed a bug
[07:21] <valorie> but against what
[07:21] <valorie> and then they stopped working anyway
[07:21] <valorie> so pfff
[07:21] <anz> ok from pa-something I could change the output
[07:22] <valorie> pasystray
[07:22] <anz> yeah
[07:22] <valorie> !info pasystray
[07:22] <anz> but it sounds / feels like a bug :)
[07:22] <valorie> yes
[07:23] <anz> correct me if i'm wrong
[07:24] <anz> but if you have a working application wich uses some output
[07:24] <anz> then from systray
[07:24] <anz> you can not change output device?
[07:26] <valorie> anz: this is the only time I've had to use the pasystray
[07:26] <valorie> mostly kmix Just Works
[07:26] <valorie> well, just the volume applet these days I guess
[07:27] <hateball> kmix is actually not used by default these days
[07:27] <hateball> yes
[07:27] <anz> ok
[07:34] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:35] <valorie> morning, lordievader
[07:35] <lordievader> Hey valorie
[07:36] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:36] <valorie> good
[07:36] <valorie> did you make it to fossdem?
[07:37] <valorie> you go usually, no?
[07:37] <lordievader> Not just that, I gave a talk. It was pretty nice :D
[07:37] <valorie> oooooo
[07:37] <valorie> impressive!
[07:37] <valorie> what was your talk?
[07:37] <lordievader> Yes, we have been going for the last 4 years or so.
[07:37] <lordievader> https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/dns_melting_the_snow/
[07:38] <lordievader> Video is already on that page it seems.
[07:38] <lordievader> They are really quick this year with the videos 😁
[07:38] <valorie> very nice!
[07:39] <valorie> KDE had a table this year
[07:39] <valorie> did you happen by?
[07:40] <lordievader> Err, not really. Passed by a couple of times, but didn't really stop and chat. It was quite small compared to other times.
[07:42] <valorie> yes, they feel sort of edged out
[07:42] <valorie> as if the fossdem organizers think "desktop is a solved problem" and that KDE=desktop
[07:42] <valorie> both of which are sort of not true
[07:43] <valorie> well, def. not true
[07:43] <lordievader> Fedora was still quite large
[07:43] <valorie> but the organizers are the ones doing the work after all
[07:43] <lordievader> Debian was also a bit smaller.
[07:43] <lordievader> Gnome was about the same size.
[07:45] <lordievader> I was quite sad when the presenter of a design talk asked: how many of you use {gnome,kde,Mac}. When it turned out there were more Mac users than KDE users.]
[07:45] <valorie> yeah
[07:46] <valorie> I think a lot of people spent years tinkering now they just want to get on with it
[07:46] <valorie> I spend very little time tinkering!
[07:46] <valorie> it's really not necessary
[07:48] <valorie> but well Macs have all the ads
[07:54] <valorie> your project sounds fascinating
[07:54] <valorie> is there a way someone like the KDE sysadmins could use it or contribute their info?
[07:54] <valorie> listening to some music already or I'd listen to your talk now
[09:51] <IrcsomeBot1> Erik was added by: Erik
[10:20] <lordievader> valorie: Err, unless they deal with attacks which make use of DNS I do not think it is of much use for KDE.
[10:42] <calico> When I try rebooting I get " plasma workspace logout cancelled by viber". If I try rebooting again - it works. Any suggestions?
[10:42] <calico> https://i.imgur.com/JjPjr5d.png
[11:00] <shanemikel_> how has Canonical's disavowal of the desktop, and the Ubuntu GNOME merger effected Kubuntu (in my estimation the best KDE distro avail.)?  will Ubuntu remain the best desktop (with out-of-box UEFI support, automatic setup of home dir encryption, and the only reliable system WRT discrete graphics hardware)?
[11:01] <shanemikel_> and what ever happened to NEON?  did they merge with Kubuntu development?
[11:10] <shanemikel_> man... if only Canonical would ask I'd be happy to pay a modest fee for a nice hybrid staged/rolling distro (perfect stability compromise IMO) with reliable discrete gfx support and OOB proprietary multimedia support (dvd, mp3, etc.)...
[11:14] <shanemikel_> add some lobby influence with nvidia, amd, intel, and some muscle behind Qt and the KDE desktop... I'll pay an annual support/licence fee on the order of MS Office, no problem
[11:22] <shanemikel_> So are Kubuntu devs flocking to other base systems, or is Kubuntu (and Ubuntu Desktop) still the obvious mid-term (2-6 year) choice for desktop linux?
[11:25] <hateball> shanemikel_: I don't think there's been any kind of exodus
[11:25] <hateball> calico: that's a known bug with certain apps, I think it is fixed in upstream plasma
[11:26] <calico> thanks hateball
[11:26] <hateball> for instance Steam had the same thing, but they patched Steam so it now works
[11:27] <hateball> I dont know the specifics as to why it prevented clean shutdown in the first place tho
[15:14] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[15:15] <vlad__> тут есть русские?
[15:16] <krytarik> !ru | vlad__
[21:48] <memphisto> Hi
[21:49] <memphisto> i have leftovers in kicker from wine apps
[21:49] <memphisto> how do i remove them
[21:50] <memphisto> i used application editor to remove them but they still appear in search
[22:27] <Guest57154> does anybody know if we get Plasma 5.12 on 18.04?
[22:27] <acheronuk> Guest57154: you will, yes
[22:28] <acheronuk> when it's been uploaded
[22:29] <Guest57154> and do you know by any chance if the kubuntu ppa will bring 5.12 also to 16.04?
[22:29] <Guest57154> and thus also to the last iteration of Linux Mint KDE?
[22:30] <acheronuk> no, it won't. not for 16.04
[22:30] <Guest57154> that's a real pity!
[22:30] <Guest57154> thanks for telling me!
[22:31] <acheronuk> Guest57154: it needs too large a jump in Qt version to backport for us to 16.04
[22:31] <Guest57154> oK.
[22:31] <Guest57154> you seem well informed. so maybe...
[22:32] <acheronuk> ?
[22:32] <Guest57154> ...you can tell me if there are plans...
[22:33] <acheronuk> there are many plans
[22:33] <Guest57154> to give kde connect the ability to sync kontakts and kalender between android phones and a Plasma desktop.
[22:34] <Guest57154> i switched from Win7 to Linux for privacy reasons, but there does not seem to be a program on linux that does local sync like that.
[22:34] <acheronuk> sadly, I don't know
[22:34] <Guest57154> on windows there is a program called myphoneexplorer...
[22:34] <Guest57154> but the developer has no interest in porting it...
[22:35] <Guest57154> do you know where I could ask that and get an answer?
[22:37] <acheronuk> in #kde or #kde-devel maybe
[22:37] <acheronuk> but it would be pot luck on catching someone who might know
[22:37] <Guest57154> i will try that, thanks!
[22:37] <Guest57154> i am very new to irc.
[22:38] <Guest57154> well, one has to try, right? ;-)
[22:38] <Guest57154> else things will nevee happen.
[22:38] <acheronuk> very true
[22:39] <Guest57154> unfortunately i am not a developer, else I might just try to write that app myself.
[22:40] <Guest57154> but actually that seems like a function that should really be a part of KDE connect.
[22:41] <acheronuk> it would be useful
[23:18] <ronnoc> Guest57154: You might have a look at kolab (kolabnow.com). It's a paid service, but 100% open source and works on any platform and integrates with Thunderbird, Kontact, Android, etc/ plus has web client. You can also host it yourself for free if desired.
[23:19] <ronnoc> I use them because they are privacy-focused and open source. Also, they are developing Kube, which they have touted as KMail's successor.
[23:57] <TheFocus> Monring.  I'm currently running Kubuntu 16.10 which I think is now EOL.  How do I upgrade to another long term support...  Don't have the time to probellm solve fixes at the moment.
[23:58] <TheFocus> Or do I need to downgrade for a LTS???