[00:12] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> The installer is unable to recognize the device in boot mode. I used the linux, os, and windows version with no change. I also used three different brands of usb cables. I was able to fastboot a different android version as well as different bootload version. I’m not sure what to try next.
[00:15] <Beton> @Omar Bibi, do you trying to install using Ubuntu Installer application?
[00:17] <Beton> If yes, I assume that it hangs on waiting for fastboot?
[00:19] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> Yes, that is correct. I used the ubports desktop application. It recognizes the phone automatically when the application is opened and it even open the bootloader for me, but it does hang after. It’s stuck looking for the device.
[00:22] <Beton> I had similar problem yesterday flashing my BQ E5, it keep stopping on waiting for device in fastboot
 @Omar Bibi, Have you unlicked the bootloader
[00:22] <Beton> i used "old method" instead
[00:24] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> @KingJamez The bootloader is unlocked, if I read you correctly.
[00:24] <Beton> flashed with ubuntu-device-flash
[00:27] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> @ubports_bot is this perhaps specific to the 1.9 release? Would an older release work? … Or do you recommend trying an older release of the installer?
 What varient linux os arw you using
[00:27] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> **ignore last question.
[00:28] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> 17.04
[00:29] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> Ubuntu
 Are you selecting the phone manually
[00:33] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> It was manual at first, but it was automatic after enabling the usb debugger and mtp. Neither scenario changed the outcome.
 Arw you selecting to do the wipe?
[00:40] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> I have tried both - with and without wipe.
 Try it aging with wipe
 Lerme knowbwhat happens
[00:48] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> No change.
 When is it freezing?
[01:16] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> On “Please reboot to bootloader”
 @Omar Bibi, This is End of Life. You should upgrade.
 @criztovyl, Find some way to connect your computer to the phone as a headset, and via pulseaudio, I guess?
 @tydell, Unity8 + lightdm source
 Does the phone gobto the bootloader
[02:30] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> @KingJamez it does.
 Try downloading fastboot and adb tooks
[02:31] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> This also happens in Windows 7 and mac os.
 Tools
 Are you using. Virtual computer
[02:31] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> No. Three different stations.
[02:32] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> I will try to download it manually and see what happens.
 You may need to ugrade to 17.10
[03:32] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/p8ZVfl1V/file_4054.jpg
[03:32] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> I just did. I think the issue is related to the device.
[03:33] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> I attempted with the app and MDT.
 Source for redmi 4a please🙏
 It is not a supported device
 @Omar Bibi, I have flashed the N5 without issue. I used 17.10
 @abranson: What was your opinion ablut the Librem-talk?
 @dohbee, and how get r4a to supported device?
[03:55] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> To make sure I understand - the issue has to do with the baseband version ending in 4a?
 @Omar Bibi, How did you download the told?
 Tool?
[04:11] <tgBot1> <Omar Bibi> After the installation I added the usb to udev and that got it to work. Thank you @KingJamez. I will be sure to donate.
 Glad to help.
 @Omar Bibi, Baseband is fixed now. No unknown
 Any ideas why 'lock security' doesnt work? Neither 4-digit or passphrase..
 i am going on trip and i want some security on my N5..
 Seems like uAdblock was the reason. Now it works. 😎
 Is there a app to download mp3 files from youtube? I'm pretty sure there was a app for that in the old UT store.
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/JyKO9bWs/file_4056
 @Cesar_Herrera, Huh? there should be translations https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/ubuntu-ui-plugin/tree/master/i18n . are they not working then? What version?
 @Johan_k, one could make a webapp for convert2mp3.com (or use this from the browser), it's a pretty solid service
 nope, abort, convert2mp3.net
 @peternerlich, Yes, there was one in the old store. It's still on uappexplorer but not in openstore.
 @DanChapman, Version 0.1.5  I have uninstalled and installed and it continues in English but it should be in Spanish. Perhaps I have to delete conf with Tweak Tool.
 @Cesar_Herrera, deleteing conf won't make any difference. Can you check `/opt/click.ubuntu.com/dekko2.dekkoproject/current/**/bin/plugins/ui/i18n` also could i get the the log just after you start the app. It should show translations being loaded.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/59UC3kfD/file_4059.jpg
 ubports logo!
 in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McgwDB13igo
 at 4:13
 @DanChapman, I'm there. What shout I do?
 is there a *.qm for your locale?
 Yes es.qm
 @DanChapman, es.qm
 Ok and does the app log say it's getting loaded? look for `[dekko.plugman.loader] >> ...` lines
 @Johan_k, maybe vulgry  was one wich you could use to do it in the past, but   I'm not sure if since youtube modified his service you can download from youtube with it. But I think that you can do it from other sources...
 @j2g2rp, For videos it goes yet.
 @j2g2rp, Vulgry is great and still available in openstore, but I thought it's only for video
 @NotKit, which device is it?
 Gemini PDA
 wow👍🏻
 yeah, that's an MTK device right?
 yes
 did you run into difficulties specifically because of that?
 @Flohack The protocol of the place I want to connect by VPN is "SSL VPN". I enter a page, put my login an password but wen I try to go to a web page the navigator stops. I show the screen:
 (Photo, 960x540) https://irc.ubports.com/juF0WGxs/file_4063.jpg
 @Cesar_Herrera, Hmm can I have more details, you want to use a VPN ? Is it OpenVPN or not?
 @Flohack, No. It is "SSL VPN"
 I dont think UT supports this. We have only config for OpenVPN inside
 @Flohack, OK. We finish then. Thanks.
 it's essentially a VPN in the browser where a server acts like a proxy
 odd that it won'
 Odd that it doesn't "just" work in the browser
 @rogieroudshoorn, How can this work?  Can you give ma link
 @rogieroudshoorn, no calls, Bluetooth or anything besides screen and Wi-Fi yet
 @Flohack, If you look at the URL, first part is the proxy. Second part is the website he's browsing. Functionality runs completely in the browser - you typically login first and then you have a logon ticket in your cookie
 where can I check the latest version for the rc channel? there was a link, but I lost it...
 @rogieroudshoorn, Probably UT browser does not support this, it might use a plugin?
 it shouldn't need a plugin
 i think my draytek router supports this as well
 is Libertine supported on 16.04 though?
 that device could really benefit from due to HW keyboard
 essentially you log in to the proxy, and then you can browse whatever it accepts by changing the second part of the URL
 of course, it's only a web proxy - you don't actually move your device into the VPN
 and only for a browser tab where you stay on your VPN server
 @rogieroudshoorn, I cant test it probably from outside ;) so sorry no idea
 Good morning
 morning :)
 @Flohack, I can probably set up a reproduction case for you, but are we really going to bugfix this instead of getting a real browser to run through wayland?
 @peternerlich, i use youtube-dl tool in terminal: the rare situation for me where terminal is faster than an app.
 @Flohack, The problem may be here because I try enter in the same way in a PC in Windows and it's not possible.
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/OSTtpS2k/file_4065.jpg
 @wayneoutthere, They use a certificate made by themselves.
 @rogieroudshoorn, They use a certificate made by themselves.
 hmm, people still do that? i thought letsenscrypt ended that :)
 :)
 i have just made a first phone call on Ubuntu Touch in my life
[13:04] <bshah> which device?
 Nexus 5. I use it as a daily driver now
[13:05] <bshah> ah
 nothing exciting overall, but a big step for me
 @rogieroudshoorn, They have perhaps a old one direction with autocertificate vpnssl.ubu.es and other perhaps new with certificate of Terena   vpn.ubu.es
 @vanyasem, nice work Ivan!  Did you get the nextcloud contacts working?
 @wayneoutthere, yep, told you yesterday
 or do you mean a standalone app? if that, then no
 @vanyasem, yeah but was it 'easy'?  for a guy like me? :)
 @vanyasem, and yeah.. build that app when you have amoment please ;)
 @wayneoutthere, if you know how to apply patches and use nano, then yes
 @vanyasem, I am trying to document this for beginners, but with the info at Ubports docs, pherhaps me feel insecure
 @vanyasem, My Nana was really nice and so was my grandpa
 @rogieroudshoorn, webbrowser-app is a "real browser" an in some ways way better for security/privacy than firefox or chromium are
 @rogieroudshoorn, Google even does it :(
 and they're a bloody CA anyway
 @wayneoutthere, I have succeed with CalDAV
 I will put in our Tutorial now
 @dohbee, I really don't mean any disrespect, but wouldn't we be happier with firefox if it would work on UT?
 @rogieroudshoorn, No? Firefox has its own problems, and doesn't provide the integration needed
 interesting! what do you consider to be the issues with firefox (aside from that it won't run)?
 well for one it doesn't have a UI designed for phones/tablets. one could theoretically build the android version, but then it's also built on top of the android stack, so you could only use it with anbox
 and rewriting oxide to work on top of gecko instead of chromium content api, would be an unreasonably large amount of work
 especially as a way to "fix" a bug that doesn't exist :)
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 pong
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 Ubuntu touch for Xiaomi Mi 4 ?
 See the group description for supported devices
 Thanks
 Please don't click the blue text.
 Telegram features are fun. :)
[15:03] <tgBot1> Hasan was added by: Hasan
 Fuck
 Welcome Hasan
 great first work
 *word
 😂😂
 I try to bot
 How r u guys
 There's no need to spam the group right away buddy
 What's your purpose here
 @UniversalSuperBox, Sorry
 @MUR55MM, No
 Only windows
 Win10
 @Hasan, Eyvallah
 Sana da bro
 Adamsın😂
 @Hasan, 😂😂😂
 @MUR55MM, Amaç ne bu grupta ne yaprak yiyor bunlar burda
 Ubuntu touch için destek grubu da
 Mi 4 için yokmuş olsa gececektim ona farklılık olurdu
 Salla
 Please keep to English in this channel. there are other language specific channels for some languages/regions.
 Is there a click of uMatrix with calls support somewhere?
 I want to call @PhoenixLandPirate :P
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 @MUR55MM, Supported devices see https://devices.ubports.com/#/
 @Hasan, 😂😂
[15:37] <faekjarz> Hi! I'd like to discuss the upgrade path from 15.04 to current on the bq Aquaris M10 …any chance of success?
 Uh, okay, here we go. An official Welcome to Omar, @HuseyinS, @bugrevealingbme, @MUR55MM, Hasan and @furylions! Sorry it took us Welcoming Team so long to react. Here's all the most important information for you: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Make sure you are subscribed to @UBports_News and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 @faekjarz, if you mean 16.04 devel, it's simply a matter of switching channels, and yes, it has been done plenty. however "current" stable is still 15.04 for the time being. 16.04 is not yet stable
 @Michele, can someone help me please?
[16:27] <faekjarz> thx, tgBot1 :)
 Hello citizen of Freedom's World ! Is there a projet for a voice assistant ? I saw a video few months ago showing Mycroft on UB...
 @aldolinux80, It's work in progress, but it's not high in thr priority list atm
 Xiaomi redmi note 4
 @TronFortyTwo Thank HAL ^^
 @aldolinux80, 👍
 @aldolinux80, AFAIK that of Microft is the solely challenge available for having a voice assistant on the Ubuntu side....on UBports there are many other current challenges that have higher priority than this one. Are you italian? Maybe your are interested to join the italian supergroup at https://t.me/ubportsitaliano
 I'm not i'm french
 Aldo is for Aldéric ^^
 so you may want to join https://t.me/UBports_French 👍🏻
 thanks guys for your answers
 @aldolinux80, 😝 sorry.....Aldo is definitely an italian name...
[16:46] <faekjarz> oh, is this a telegram-to-IRC type bridge thing going on here?
 I'm already there ^
[16:53] <tgBot1> . . was added by: . .
[16:55] <tgBot1> <. .> Hello I am new to this group though have a experience of running Ubuntu on my computer for few years earlier.I have a question
[16:56] <tgBot1> <. .> Can u develop ubuntu touch for discarded phone like blackberry passport,Samsung wave etc.The logic to this is
[16:56] <tgBot1> <. .> Y would a person with new phone experiment on installing a new Os on it
[16:58] <tgBot1> <. .> I mean a person with old phone for which his company is providing no os updates is more likely to install a new Os or experiment with new os it.
[17:00] <tgBot1> <. .> I believe the people who made Ubuntu on computers successful were people with old computers who loved to experiment with os.Same way Ubuntu can make people install Ubuntu touch by focussing on old phones
[17:01] <tgBot1> <. .> This way Ubuntu will have a good user base
[17:03] <tgBot1> Dev Wolf was added by: Dev Wolf
 @. ., unfortunately, this is not how Ubuntu works on phone. Only few devices are eligible for Ubuntu Touch installation. Please click on the UBports Supergroup description on the overhead of this chat to have details on the devices nowadays available
 and welcome on this Supergroup, BTW
[17:08] <tgBot1> <. .> @mattbel10, Sir I understand but I believe this is the only way to make Ubuntu on phones successful esle it will get lost in wilderness & will not be able to compete with Android & iOS as has been the case till date
[17:10] <tgBot1> <. .> @mattbel10, Had I been in-charge of this company in place mark  I would have tried to offer this os to people free initially for their phones diccarded by their operators & latter monetizing the same
 . your ideas would probably align better with postmarketOS goals
 but it's far from ready for end users
[17:16] <tgBot1> <. .> @NotKit, May be sir but Ubuntu is such a beautiful OS lost in wilderness due to lack of marketing,it has a lot of potential.
 well, Ubuntu Touch project has been already dropped by Canonical and now is supported by UBPorts community
[17:17] <tgBot1> <. .> @NotKit, I have been out of touch off late from Ubuntu but it can be developed
 so basically availability for particular device depends on passionate enough people to port and support it
 there is no magic way to support every device possible, unfortunately, and porting takes lots of time
[17:18] <tgBot1> <. .> @NotKit, Sir R u computer engineering/ programmer & what's ur level of competence
 @. ., You can start doing it by porting yourself for example
[17:20] <tgBot1> <. .> @malditobastardo, I am no computer expert but am good at marketing if a bunch of good computer engineers develop it with licience from canonical i can monetize & sell it in india & God willing create a sucessful company
 @. ., yes, and I'm familar with libhybris to make a few SailfishOS community ports so far
[17:22] <tgBot1> <. .> @NotKit, I am no computer expert but am good at marketing if a bunch of good computer engineers develop it with licience from canonical i can monetize & sell it in india & God willing create a sucessful company
 Please don't repeat messages. We read it the first time
 that's what people here have been doing
[17:23] <tgBot1> <. .> @NotKit, Sailfish has done it they have started to sell os for phones separately i beleive itz the future of mobile oses
[17:25] <tgBot1> <. .> @NotKit, We should  purchase hardware once & change itz OS  to our liking & device that way can have life of atleast 10 Y
[17:26] <tgBot1> <. .> @NotKit, But it should be done with existing oses as base I mean people should be able to install Ubuntu or sailfish tru an app on Android
[17:26] <tgBot1> <. .> @NotKit, It should be easy
 😹😹😹
[17:27] <tgBot1> <. .> @NotKit, And firstly there should be choice of dual booting & afterwards people can opt the O's of their liking
 @. ., blackberry is incredibly locked down, samsung wave is a bad target
 @. ., yes we should
[17:32] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, So then focus should be on Android phones with is upto android 6 or  may be android 7 now which their operators have ditched by not providing updates
 if you can run halium, likely you'll receive UBports updates for a long time
[17:34] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, U don't know how much dumb people r & how much they spend on hardware which they need not.I don't understand Y software companies r not monetizing this and providing paid updates to mobile oses
 @faekjarz, yes, it is
 because it's not profitable
 And they'd just move to their other competitor
[17:35] <tgBot1> <. .> Computer engineers & programers should monetize this
 @. ., nobody needs phones or computers or cars, to live. please don't call people names because you disagree with their wants, though
 we did
[17:36] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, I include myself in people
 Ubuntu for phones was always a monetized product, which did not make a profit, and so Canonical dropped the project
[17:37] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, What u did i don't know of any software company that has monetized this except for sailfish
 and thus it is now a community project
 sailfish does not sell ubuntu
[17:37] <tgBot1> <. .> Who have started to monetize it few months back
[17:38] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, I know sir I am taking about selling oses & just was giving an example
 i don't know what you want exactly, but this circular conversation is not going anywhere. saying "someone else should do X, because I think so" is not a helpful comment to make, about any project
 you can monetize it however you want, the code is free and commerciable
 Just abide to the license
 Jolla (Sailfish) does not and cannot produce a generic phone OS that you can install on any device
 If you deliver value, money will follow
[17:40] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, Thanks sir but as I already told u i am no computer expert but i can sell
[17:40] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, R u a computer expert/programmer
 Yes
 you don't seem to understand either the product or the target market, so i would be very skeptical of your ability to sell it. :)
[17:41] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, Can u get a think of getting a bunch of engineers together
 @. ., Can you give me fifty million dollars?
 Ubports has a bunch of engineers together
[17:42] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, Alright have u developed an android app tru which people can install this os on phones which it supports right now
 A group of engineers is called a pub.
[17:43] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, First we should look for making delivery of product easy
 It doesn't work like that, the only phones with a standardized rootfs are Windows Phones
 @. ., It is already
 @. ., That's not how installing an OS on a phone works
 Especially not when installing an OS requires deleting all of /data partition
[17:45] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, So does it mean itz not possible to make installation of Ubuntu on Android phones easy
 it is easy
 it is not possible to make it generic
 @Hasan, https://t.me/UBportsTR
 @. ., installation is easy
 If you give me a small loan of a million dollars I can make it easier
[17:46] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, Yes sir itz easy for computer experts like u & inquisitive people who install custom roms not for masses
[17:46] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, Bye the way I am a banker
 @. ., no. it is easy because there is literally an installer application. you follow the instructions. it's easy
[17:47] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, Not a financer but bank employee
 If you really have enough capital to fund the project, you should get in touch with Marius
 heh
 "bank employee"
[17:48] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, BTW this is the magic of u computer experts u come to know about people by peeping into their phones hahaa
 ROI can be in form of merchandizing or royalties over applciations
 seriously dude. joining a channel and immediately telling the entire project to change direction to follow your personal goals, is a bit rude.
[17:49] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, Sir I strongly beleive Ubuntu has a lot of potential
 yes, we also think so
 that's why we're in this
[17:49] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, No sir i just was inquiring the possibilities
 Convergence fills my personal needs
 if you want to start a business porting ubuntu to more phones, by all means do it
 @samzn, 👍+1
 however, you won't make any profit, and every separate device will still need custom porting work to make ubuntu usable on it
[17:51] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, That should be the bigger goal when their is shift to hand held devices what's the need of convergence
 and pardon the language, but "fuck monetization"
 Hi . and Dev! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Besides all discussion already taking place, reserve a browser tab for https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and all the important Newcomer information with it.
 money is exactly the problem. you can't solve the problems money creates, by dumping more money at it
 mo money, mo problems
[17:52] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, But think about the charity  u can do after earning money
 think about the charity i do by giving away the code i write for free
 @dohbee, Let's establish Communism then
 ok
[17:53] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, I agree but presently money is the vehicle to bring a positive change in lives of needy people
 no it isn't
 If you want to contribute to Ubports, by all means, do it
 https://www.patreon.com/ubports
[17:53] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, Suppose u want to feed a hungry child how can u without money
 Yeah. Human grease will destroy Communism. Even Socialism broke while being surrounded by greasy arseholes
 with some seeds, dirt, water, and sunlight?
 @. ., This has been proved as False, Hint as to why computer sales are up and tablet sales are down.
 @MaxKerst, that is inappropriate
 @dohbee, Pulse may be an good entry point, thx!
[17:55] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, Sir it will take a long time & u would have to purchase seeds & pay irrrigation, fertilizer bills in money BTW thanks
 @dohbee, Well said. Canonical dropped the project exactly for sake of monetization. We are here because, as a community, we can do whatever we want, at our pase, without the anxiety for competing agains either iOS or Android
 @. ., no. stop trying to view every problem like a capitalist.
 Profitering isn't a sin, but you need to do it smartly
 Selling updates isn't going to work
[17:58] <tgBot1> <. .> @mattbel10, Sir no offence U people work hard(like apple co-founder Steve wozniak) & people like jobes make fame & money.U should rather think like bill gates who balanced both.
 I'm not entirely sure what's going on here, but what exactly are you trying to do .?
 Because this discussion is going nowhere.
[17:59] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, Why sir if a person spends 10k on new phone if we provide him new os for 2.5K why will it not work
 lol
 I would absolutely love if openstores had a monetization scheme for selling apps
 @. ., Because Apple did it and abandonned it 2 major versions after
 @UniversalSuperBox, i think drive in circles and fail to exit the roundabout?
[17:59] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, Why will a customer not purchase tru this he is saving & we r earning itz a win win situation
 @. ., Okay. We're really not interested in monetizing the OS itself at this point. We're a (soon to be) nonprofit driving the goals of an Open Source mobile operating system.
 @. ., Because they don't care as long as the system works
 If you would like to start a project like that, this is not the place.
 It has been proven
 @samzn, i don't even want to think about that. it's such a nightmare to get right
 Specially now that Operating Systems are becoming a Service rather than a Product
 You can sell licenses to OEMs, see Jolla and Remix OS, that works, but we have no OEM support yet
[18:01] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, Had it been so they would not have purchased new phones.People purchase new phone due to artificial craving created for new oses
 no
 people buy new phones because phones are junk and designed to fail
 People buy phones because of hardware features or because it's been getting too old
[18:02] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, Sir we have to bypass oems initially we have to directly reach out to customers/end users
 If you are competing against free LineageOS in the aftermarket update market with a paid option it's already doomed
 @samzn, well, we have fairphone
 Jolla sells Sailfish X licenses with updates to life
 It's a small market but it's smarter than selling every update
 And they have a good tie in with Sony
[18:03] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, Sir initially/in emerging markets may be but later/in mature markets it's the craving/craze for new os
 You can target the corporate market with that
 @. ., not really. Apple updates iOS on pretty much all phones still
 You won't find anything on the consumer side
[18:05] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, BTW u talk a lot of sense & try to understand others viewpoint,u would be very successful God willing
 but at some point you're going to have to actually upgrade the hardware too. see the "slowing apps to save battery" fiasco with iOS 11
[18:09] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, Sir so u mean we can't sell updates we have to sell entire O's initially or increase market share for next step/s.But I think the  model i talked about is a good model to increase market share & reach out to maximum people.
 Sell it to corporate clients
 Convergence has a big demand there and they pay good cash
 @. ., What exactly are you talking about? We are not interested in monetizing Ubuntu touch.
 @. ., People probably will not pay money for an OS if it's GPL licensed and they can do it themselves for free
 Or have someone else do it for cheaper
 @Georgecloon, RHEL
 Well if you follow Red Hat... you give away the software and sell support only
 @samzn, Probably not the best example, especially for this discussion
 @KingJamez, Right, that could work
 and that's selling support and updates
 not selling the OS
 but people will pay for something that's GPL
 I dont even think they sell the updates... just the support that will do it for them
 not everyone of course, but there are plenty who will
 Like haveing an external IT group
 @KingJamez, Well, if you don't pay RH, you can't get the updates for RHEL
 at least, that's how it used to be
[18:13] <tgBot1> <. .> @Georgecloon, Sir ubuntu touch should initially be mainly for masses & for them support means updates after they have initially purchased the phone & os or only os
 and it is Top Teir Support.  RHEL has and extensive Certification process in order to be an admin.
 @. ., there is no purchasing of the OS
 @. ., ubports is Not for profit.
 there isn't going to be purchasing of the OS
 Say you would fork Ubuntu Touch and charge for it, how much do you have to invest in R&D?
 Isn't it going too far now? Cannot this discussion be treated as a OT?
 @. ., But as stated feel free to start your own varient similar to RHEL to use free software and sell support
 @mattbel10, it's technically not OT. just annoying i guess
[18:15] <tgBot1> <. .> Sorry to say but u engineers complicated it a lot i was simply taking of selling ubuntu touch os & updates directly to masses on their old phones
 We aren't interested in that.
[18:15] <tgBot1> <. .> @UniversalSuperBox, But Y
 because freedom, that's why
 @. ., I am sorry to say that you seem to have the wrong idea for what UBPORTS is about.
[18:16] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, Money brings freedom
 ubports is a commune of developers
 *sigh*
 You have the freedom to fork it, but you need to abide to the license
[18:17] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, Yes i see a lot of wozniaks in u & i want u to earn a lot & helo humanity a lot
 you are weird.
 @dohbee, yes it's annoying, also because it is pretty clear the new guy here isn't really interested in what this community is about.....sooooo, why give him such importance?
[18:18] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, No sir u may think so but i am not
 @mattbel10, i don't really?
[18:19] <tgBot1> <. .> @mattbel10, This community should be a basis for selling/delivering ubuntu to maximum number of people.Everything else is nothing but only ideas & that too utopian
 I mean, we all are trying to explain him what UBports is about but he doesn't want to listen...
 @. ., They're not too utopian if they work
[18:20] <tgBot1> <. .> @mattbel10, U didnt can u explain to me what itz all about
 @. ., I already told you. It is very rude to come in here and tell us what our community "should" be about
 it is free software. if you can't understand free software communities, then this is not the community for you.
[18:20] <tgBot1> <. .> I like & respect ur community a lot
 not everything is about money. you will have to learn and understand that before you can understand free software
 apparently not
[18:22] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, But somebody told me free software is whose code is open source doesn't necessarily mean itz free
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/7q71VOIk/file_4066
 @. ., someone told you wrong
[18:22] <tgBot1> <. .> Oh yes I remember it was one of the founders of linux stallman the boss
 @samzn, Nice sticker, is it new?
 Okay, ., final word. We are not interested in selling Ubuntu Touch on its face. You may sell it yourself if you follow the license, that is, you must release all source code and changes that you make to it. You must also host all source and binaries yourself and never refer to the Ubuntu name.
 @UniversalSuperBox, +1
[18:23] <tgBot1> <. .> Richard stallman said free software is whose code is open source doesn't necessarily mean itz free
 richard stallman definitely did not say that
[18:24] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, Yes bet
 @. ., that's what said license is for
 @dohbee, He did, free as in free software, not free beer
[18:24] <tgBot1> <. .> @dohbee, Listen to his interviews on YouTube & u will get gist of them
 @. ., Please, such conversations are now really not the purpose of this room.
 no matter who's right
 @samzn, I mean, he would not refer to it as open source. He is very adamant about the distinction between "Free Software" and "Open Source"
 Ah yes
[18:26] <tgBot1> <. .> @peternerlich, These r because purpose of this community is to deliver this software/os to maximum & we r talking about ways & means to deliver
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/jueCdtOw/file_4068.mp4
 He also may have said you can sell GPL software, but if someone asks for the code, you must give it to them, and they can then also freely distribute it
 If you'd really like to discuss this further, please move to @ubports_ot since it's obviously going nowhere here.
 (Sticker, 512x302) https://irc.ubports.com/J6NLYVk0/file_4069
 @dohbee, Which is why I'm not discouraging this guy's attempts, even if he has no basis or focus
[18:27] <tgBot1> <. .> @samzn, Thanks a lot sir
 Yeah, not discouraging either really. But it is not what we are doing here
 Ya
[18:27] <tgBot1> <. .> Thanks really
 and as Dalton said, it's getting to the point where it is way off topic for this channel
 @UniversalSuperBox, I told u 😎
[18:28] <tgBot1> <. .> I will search the internet & understand the purpose of ur community
 @mattbel10, Things evolve quickly on the internet
 Install Gentoo
[18:28] <tgBot1> <. .> Sorry for making u angry
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Xt7aj1FX/file_4070.log
[18:29] <tgBot1> <. .> But i will try to learn about u further
[18:30] <tgBot1> <. .> But one thing want to tell u all is that u will sweat a lot for ur ideas & work hard on this os but in the end sone big corporate will sell it
[18:31] <tgBot1> <. .> See how now Google uses & sells android
 @maharudra108, @UniversalSuperBox
 Empty pings don't help, especially not in two groups.
 If it's a halium question, keep it in Halium
[18:31] <tgBot1> <. .> So wanted u all to understand what ur goal should be
 @wayneoutthere only you can help us!!
 @dohbee, Now i see why you were objecting to my opposition to rude language to @malditobastardo ....   I think we can all have a conversatin without swearing.  I know it's hard, we're all humans.  But I will continue to hope that we can try.  Sometimes I show my daughter the supergroup activity and then she sees something like this.  I'm not a prude, I've come through some ugly paths and know all the words, but I think cleaner is better for a
[18:32] <tgBot1> healthy community.
[18:33] <tgBot1> <. .> Thank u all
[18:33] <tgBot1> <. .> Good bye
[18:33] <tgBot1> <. .> Gud night
 @. ., Bye! Feel free to come by again any time!
 @. ., Oh, if you want to stay updated on UT but not really like to follow the chat here subscribe to @UBports_News
 @wayneoutthere, Actually, science has proved that swearing is healthier for you, than not
 @dohbee, Oh, I'd like to see the paper to that
 Science also used to say that Fluoride is good for your health
 @dohbee, I must be really healthy then!! 😆
 Sir Science a wise man must be
 @UniversalSuperBox, Not halium questions it is kernel question.
 how about these handy tools for the SG?  @#$#@%#@%$%^
 observe … F!$!@#$%^% monetization! … Yah! … @#$!! … and @#$#@$ YOU, RoDnEY!
 @peternerlich, https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/01/science-swearing-profanity-curse-emma-byrne/?beta=true
 @wayneoutthere, we need a yumi sticker with this in the speech bubble
 @dohbee, thanks!
 did someone ask for... Yumi?
 @maharudra108, Sorry @UniversalSuperBox i am facing kernel error while compiling.... actually i adapted krillin ubuntu kernel
 @maharudra108, I'm pretty sure the kernel is part of halium build
 @dohbee, Ubuntu kernel compiling
 @wayneoutthere, It is a necessary element, yes.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/431A89bB/file_4072.png
 nice, now who is responsible for the sticker pack?
 haha.  UBAMMIT
 @wayneoutthere, 🤣🤣🤣 genious
 @wayneoutthere, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adoXQbpC6Fo
 @wayneoutthere, Can we pin this?  Besides... we need a new Pinned message :)
 Fwd from vanyasem: Is there a click of uMatrix with calls support somewhere?
 @dohbee, LOL. great one
 @vanyasem, mariusgrip test?
 @malditobastardo, do you have a link nearby
 https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/umatriks.mariogrip.test
 @dohbee, why?
 @MaxKerst, uh, because phrasing
 @malditobastardo, thank you
 @dohbee, ookay.
 i don't even know what you were trying to say. but it was quite rude the way you said it
 "I watch the Super Bowl for the commercials." Congrats to whoever thought-up that psyop.
 https://hastebin.com/koqupoburu.vbs
 @maharudra108, Help me to sort out this plz
 @mariogrip do you have updated pulseaudio-droid module?
[19:54] <tgBot1> Chris was added by: Chris
 Hello Chris and welcome to UBports.  Please feel free to join the conversation and let us know if you have any questions.
 With nexus 5 cant start installation. Already at booloader menu, but nothing happens. What's wrong?
 @Dejavu_Dmitry, Using instsller from linux machine..
 @vanyasem, yes! maybe you can work with Captain Gripsgarden and turn Grip Tests into Grips Reality???
 @Dejavu_Dmitry, Using installer from linux machine.
 @Dejavu_Dmitry, try with another USB cable
 @malditobastardo, Nothing... maybe its my leneageos?
 @Dejavu_Dmitry, Incorrect bootloader?
 @Dejavu_Dmitry, Could you please join the welcome room? https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 @Dejavu_Dmitry, Lineage doesn't change fasstboot to not be fastboot. Only the recovery and OS are changed. I flashed from Lineage over to Ubuntu on my N5 without any problem. So it definitely works.