[00:00] <stevejobsinhell> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/IPsec_L2TP_VPN_server  And why doesn't this document mention which kernel modules to include?
[00:07] <netsrot> Hi, changing history size in .bashrc doesn't seem to work. The variables are set in all my shells correctly but the file doesn't grow as big as set.
[00:07] <rypervenche> netsrot: What did you put in your .bashrc? Which variables?
[00:08] <netsrot> rypervenche: HISTSIZE=100000 and HISTFILESIZE=200000
[00:08] <rypervenche> netsrot: Did you resource the .bashrc file after you did that?
[00:09] <netsrot> rypervenche: the file is max 27K in size and 695 lines
[00:09] <rypervenche> netsrot: That doesn't answer my question.
[00:09] <netsrot> rypervenche: I have rebooted. shouldn't that be enough?
[00:09] <rypervenche> Yes, it should.
[00:09] <rypervenche> netsrot: Do you have a ~/.bash_profile ? If so, what is in it? And is this for a normal user or root?
[00:10] <rypervenche> netsrot: I personally like to put those two variables in /etc/environment so that it's available for all users.
[00:10] <netsrot> rypervenche: in my ~/.bash_profile I have:  [[ -z $DISPLAY && $XDG_VTNR -eq 1 ]] && exec startx
[00:12] <rypervenche> netsrot: Ah. I'm not sure if you're sourcing the .bashrc file or not then. If "env | grep HIST" doesn't show it, then it might not be being sourced. Also, this may be a stupid question, but are you using a different shell, like zsh or anything?
[00:12] <netsrot> rypervenche: how do I check? I use default for ubuntu artful.
[00:13] <rypervenche> Ok, let me log onto an Ubuntu machine really quickly.
[00:13] <netsrot> rypervenche: $SHELL is bash
[00:14] <netsrot> rypervenche: do I need to set the hist variables in .bash_profile also?
[00:14] <rypervenche> netsrot: Do you want this set for all users or just that one?
[00:15] <rypervenche> It seems your .bashrc file isn't being properly sourced. I'm bringing up an Artful machine right now to be able to say for sure.
[00:20] <rypervenche> netsrot: Yeah, the sourcing of .bashrc should be in your ~/.bash_profile. Your .bashrc isn't being sourced at all.
[00:22] <netsrot> rypervenche: hu? When I check the variables in a shell with echo they are set.
[00:23] <rypervenche> netsrot: Set correctly? Also, do you have the variables set anywhere else?
[00:23] <rypervenche> Oh, sorry. It's ~/.profile THat would explain it.
[00:24] <netsrot> rypervenche: that file does source .bashrc
[00:25] <rypervenche> Right.
[00:25] <rypervenche> netsrot: Are you logging in directly to said user?
[00:25] <rypervenche> netsrot: Or are you using su or sudo to access the user?
[00:26] <netsrot> rypervenche: I have to check.
[00:31] <netsrot> rypervenche: I think it's because I changed how the login works in systemd. So I'm not going to bother any more. Most important thing is that I can still login.
[00:32] <rypervenche> netsrot: mkay
[00:32] <netsrot> rypervenche: thanks for your help anyhow.
[00:33] <tolgagur> hey
[00:33] <netsrot> I have also been using weston-terminal but that shouldn't cause any problems right?
[00:34] <akik> netsrot: you changed how the login works?
[00:35] <netsrot> akik: yes but I don't remember exactly how since I don't have history any more.
[00:36] <akik> netsrot: maybe it's better to reinstall so that you don't get problems in the future
[00:37] <akik> netsrot: if you only changed the files in your user home dir, then you can just create a new user
[00:39] <netsrot> yes a reinstall sounds like a good idea.
[00:39] <netsrot> thank you.
[00:39] <tolgagur> netsrot: hey
[00:45] <brennan> Hello! I have a rather silly quesitonm
[00:45] <brennan> question*
[00:45] <Toba> ask it
[00:46] <brennan> Which version of nvidia should I be downloading from the PPA?
[00:58] <QuickB> hello guys!
[00:58] <QuickB> How yaal doin?
[00:58] <QuickB> This is pretty cool, I just got IRC
[00:58] <QuickB> well, irssi
[00:58] <QuickB> Can someone plz reply?
[00:59] <QuickB> hello?
[00:59] <QuickB> hello!
[00:59] <QuickB> Is anyone bored?
[00:59] <joeb3_> QuickB, ask your question.
[00:59] <QuickB> Oh, wow
[00:59] <QuickB> So it does work
[01:00] <terminalator> It works indeed QuickB
[01:00] <QuickB> Where is the best place for me to learn how to write exploits?
[01:00] <terminalator> ##exploits
[01:00] <QuickB> ok, thanks
[01:00] <terminalator> I think
[01:15] <JoeLlama> okay second time I have asked this but I am looking for a processor control software that throttles down and throttles up the speed and CPU voltage like what ThrottleStop does in windows based intel environments...  Is there a linux software the does that?
[01:16] <JoeLlama> having that ability can make your batteries last longer and/or make your gaming environment super blasty fast
[01:16] <JoeLlama> I will research that online but I always ask these very important questions like this here first
[01:17] <JoeLlama> and to be polite I do tend to wait until no one else is talking before I ask these questions...
[01:17] <JoeLlama> I save these questions up like a chipmonk stocks up on nutsl
[01:22] <JoeLlama> okay well....  I will research and report back if anyone is interested in the results
[01:22] <dbb> openssl and libssl-dev question..
[01:22] <JoeLlama> don't ask to ask, just ask!
[01:22] <dbb> is there a way to update TRUSTY openssl and libssl-dev
[01:23] <dbb> in particular, 102n
[01:23] <dbb> the launchpad page has a diff (long) between the trusty package contents and the bionic
[01:24] <dbb> I imagine that .. I would take the source of the deb(s), apply the diff, and rebuild the packages, setting the target to trusty
[01:24] <dbb> but that is beyond my abilities
[01:24] <dbb> does someone have a PPA that is reputable for this sort of thing?
[01:26] <bazhang> dbb search the ppa, those are not recommended nor supported here
[01:26] <dbb> those what?
[01:26] <bazhang> ppa
[01:27] <dbb> ok bazhang says - search in the place that is not recommended here
[01:27] <dbb> anyone else?
[01:27] <bazhang> dbb PPA are completely at your own risk, and are not supported in this channel
[02:03] <natmal> Is there any way to get unattended-upgrades to email me when reboots are needed without emailing me for every upgrade?
[02:38] <Nilesh_> I added package using sudo dpkg -I how to remove the same
[02:45] <gnomethrower> Odd question, may be better suited for #mariadb - I installed mariadb-server on a fresh Ubuntu 16.04 box and it didn't ask me to set a MySQL root password
[02:45] <gnomethrower> is that normal?
[02:45] <gnomethrower> and I can just run "mysql" as root and get a root mysql shell
[02:54] <CrazyH>  I'm looking for a decently work NES emulator in Ubuntu. So far NEStopia has serious timing issues ( all games run slowly ). I can't seem to find any support for it, so i have no idea how to fix it. What NES emulators actually work these days?
[02:59] <sky788> hello
[03:00] <sky788> im new to linux, any advice?
[03:01] <Bashing-om> !manual | sky788
[03:01] <sky788> thanks
[03:02] <CrazyH> sky788, ubuntu is pretty good. I'd say just do whatever you would normally do. When something doesn't work, Google it, RTFM... or ask
[03:03] <sky788> ok
[03:04] <Nilesh_> I added package using sudo dpkg -I how to remove the same
[03:05] <CrazyH> sky788, assuming that your running a modern Ubuntu distro, you might consider installing gnome-session-flashback. It will give you a normal looking Desktop GUI instead of Unity ( which I personally despise )
[03:17] <phablet> test
[03:20] <randall> test passed
[03:27] <bluethundr> hey guys...my ubuntu 17.04 machine crashed hard with lvmetad errors
[03:27] <bluethundr> I want to try to reinstall the os but when I get to the installation type it says "this computer currently has no detected operating systems, what would you like to do?"
[03:28] <bluethundr> does that mean my data is hosed? I'd like to try and reinstall and preserve the data if possible
[03:28] <daddesio> LVM metadata is not very big, and not very important (it can be reconstructed)
[03:29] <bluethundr> ok
[03:30] <daddesio> at least that's my *guess*. I know the actual filesystem header (ext4/ntfs/etc.) is a lot more imporant.
[03:31] <bluethundr> yeah
[03:31] <daddesio> LVM data just says, this logical partition is located here, this logical partition is located here, etc., which it seems a script would be able to re-determine.
[03:31] <bluethundr> I don't think I setup LVM with it orignally. Unless the ubuntu installer sets that up under the hood.
[03:33] <bluethundr> I could try the boot Ubuntu without installing it option
[03:33] <bluethundr> and seeing if I can mount the HD and see if the data is still there
[03:34] <daddesio> you can always try to mount the partitions manually and see if the data is still intact.
[03:34] <daddesio> yes
[03:34] <bluethundr> yep. cool
[03:34] <daddesio> Do sudo fdisk -l
[03:34] <bluethundr> yah
[03:35] <bluethundr> yeah it sees the partitions on the original disk
[03:35] <bluethundr> cool
[03:36] <bluethundr> I think I need /dev/sda
[03:36] <bluethundr> and indeed it does have LVM volumes
[03:40] <bluethundr> hooray!!
[03:40] <bluethundr> my data is still there
[03:42] <daddesio> congrats :)
[03:42] <daddesio> I wonder if there's any problem with your LVM data or if the Ubuntu installer is just dumb. :P
[03:43] <bluethundr> thanks bud
[03:43] <bluethundr> yeah haha.. I think the ubuntu installer is probably just done
[03:43] <bluethundr> all I really need to do is rescue a couple spread sheets
[03:43] <bluethundr> the rest of the data is disposable
[03:44] <bluethundr> if I had a brain I would have backed them up before
[03:44] <bluethundr> but oh well
[03:44] <bluethundr> live and learn
[03:44] <daddesio> Coincidentally I am trying to copy data off a (possibly) failing hard drive right now. The hard drive only works for about 1 hour at a time before it disappears for some reason.
[03:44] <bluethundr> interesting
[03:45] <daddesio> If I'm in Windows, everything will hang for about 2 minutes until I get a BSOD. If I'm in Linux, everything will hang, and I'll see weird errors when I switch over to Ctrl+Alt+F2.
[03:45] <daddesio> Then, when I reboot the laptop, it says "Hard drive not found". It seems to resolve when I flip the laptop upside-down (like I'm removing the battery) and right-side up again.
[03:46] <daddesio> So I think it's most likely a loose connection or something.
[03:46] <daddesio> I've copied over 20GB of data so far via SCP. Going to clone the drive now with ddrescue.
[03:46] <bluethundr> wow that's wild
[03:46] <bluethundr> may be a loose connection
[03:47] <JoeLlama> I have seven systems set up with ubuntu and working nicely. My masters are pleased.
[03:49] <JoeLlama> air gap is a beautiful thing
[03:53] <daddesio> ddrescue's log file is really handy. In case my hard drive disconnects in the middle of cloning, I can resume after I restart the laptop.
[03:57] <DDR> Hello. I'm having some trouble with my audio - everything coming out of my speakers (but not my headphones) is choppy and pitch-shifted down a bit.
[03:57] <DDR> My speakers are rigged up through my video card's HDMI output.
[03:58] <DDR> Which I gather is using a different sample rate than my computer is.
[03:58] <DDR> Is there any way to test this, though? I've run up against my relative ignorance of the internals of linux sound here. :(
[03:59] <daddesio> Choppy and pitch-shifted? sounds like what happens what happens when you play an emulator without speed limiter.
[03:59] <DDR> Yeah, but in reverse.
[03:59] <DDR> Like, it's too slow and the buffer isn't filling.
[04:01] <daddesio> could you run lspci | grep -i "audio" ?
[04:01] <DDR> $ lspci | grep -i "audio"
[04:02] <DDR> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family HD Audio Controller
[04:02] <DDR> 01:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7870 XT / 7950/7970]
[04:02] <DDR> The second audio device is the active, problematic device.
[04:04] <DDR> brb
[04:05] <bluethundr> sweet! I was able to backup all my important data to a usb drive
[04:05] <bluethundr> now I can reinstall the OS with no sweat
[04:06] <bluethundr> true I did have to rescue only a couple spread sheets, but there was a couple gigs of 'nice to haves' that I wanted too
[04:12] <DDR> I have rewired the audio so it comes out of the back port of my computer, using an ⅛-inch audio jack. It works fine now, although the wiring is slightly less optimal than it was.
[04:13] <DDR> I have another issue, perhaps linked to a third I'm trying to solve. 🤔
[04:14] <DDR> In /etc/pulse/default.pa, I have a line "load-module module-switch-on-connect". It *needs* to be commented out, or I don't get sound - pulseaudio claims it's already loaded.
[04:15] <DDR> At the same time that went wrong, my desktop started to take about 30 seconds longer to load.
[04:15] <DDR> So presumably something's timing out, but I can't figure out what. :(
[04:15] <DDR> I've tried watching dbus, with dbus-message, but I don't see anything obviously wrong.
[04:16] <DDR> Just a few messages for the 30 seconds after I enter my password, and then a storm of messages as KDE finally starts to load.
[04:56] <rolandbeowulf> I want to migrate from an ubuntu system to debian, are there any considerations i need to know about debian-ubuntu program compatibility beyond the installation process itself?
[04:57] <rolandbeowulf> Also im aware that ubuntu distros will let you switch between each of them without an installation process, does this carry over to ubuntu-debian or vice versa?
[05:13] <hggdh> rolandbeowulf: if you are moving from Ubuntu to Debian (or vice-versa) your best option is a new install. Although Ubuntu is based on Debian, the install and packages are different enough to make such a move problematic
[05:15] <DDR> You can take your home folder though; that'll make it pretty easy - you'll keep all your configuration and stuff. :)
[05:15] <rolandbeowulf> Am I correct in assuming my main problem would be the binaries? If I make /home a new partition and don't keep any binaries in it, would there be any issue there?
[05:16] <rolandbeowulf> I do have a ~/src directory though which i keep programs not installed through the package manager, so perhaps that will need some pruning
[05:20] <masber> good afternoon, my ubuntu server is not booting up
[05:20] <masber> it says "gave up waiting for root device"
[05:20] <masber> and it goes to (initramfs)
[05:21] <masber> any help
[05:21] <masber> ?
[05:29] <rolandbeowulf> I don't think i can help much, but you could get the machine booted with a USB-boot, at which point you can troubleshoot your hard drive install
[05:30] <nerdinja> yeah, any usb livecd boot will get you started on the path to recovery, i'm sure
[05:30] <nerdinja> just get to a cli
[05:30] <nerdinja> be it grub, or a livecd with a terminal, whatever
[05:30] <nerdinja> then you can fix what broke
[06:06] <Tecan> https://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/img/moba/features/feature-syntax-highlighting.png  << nice colors hopefully vte gets that option soon
[06:07] <Badegakk> Good morning :)
[06:08] <Badegakk> Any here experienced any problems with msi laptops that hangs on shutdown.   It hangs actualy when it trys to turn of power to computer...   Reboot: Power down
[06:09] <Badegakk> I have to hold in the power button to turn off
[06:10] <Badegakk> The whole shutdown procedure shows no errors
[06:40] <OERIAS> So I installed Unity on Ubuntu 17.10, but the notifications for volume or when a torrent is finished downloading is not pulling up?
[06:41] <OERIAS> Any ideas?
[07:16] <fkl> I need to install  jshell and it's avaible in the openjdk-9-headless package
[07:16] <fkl> just curious, what does "headless" mean?
[07:17] <fkl> Is this an Ubuntu/Debian thing, or it's related to the jdk itself?
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> !java | fkl
[07:19] <bazhang> lotuspsychje, he wants a definition of headless
[07:19] <fkl> lotuspsychje, I am asking about the "headless" part of the package name
[07:19] <fkl> bazhang, exactly
[07:21] <kostkon> !info openjdk-9-jre-headless
[07:22] <B14CK-SPID3R> Hi. excuse me, how can i solve highDPI problem in java-1.7 programs on ubuntu systems? i could scale ubuntu with tweak tool. but programs didn't change.
[07:22] <kostkon> fkl, "Minimal Java runtime - needed for executing non GUI Java programs, using Hotspot JIT."
[07:23] <bazhang> A headless system is a computer system or device that has been configured to operate without a monitor (the missing "head"), keyboard, and mouse fkl
[07:25] <fkl> bazhang, okay, I see.  Another example would be xvfb
[07:42] <azizLIGHT> hello. can latest ubuntu or LTS use media keys on lock screen succesfully? (volume up/down, next track and previous track) ?
[07:58] <e1024> e1024: hello
[08:24] <d_ven0m> Does anyone use i3wm here?
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> !ask | d_ven0m
[08:24] <e1024> d_ven0m: Not me
[08:26] <auronandace> d_ven0m: if someone answered yes what would you then ask?
[08:27] <d_ven0m> Sorry, my question is whether Mod1/Alt is used for anything, and if so, what it might be used for? I want to use an X11 wm known as i3, and my options for mod keys are Alt or Win. Alt seems more convenient but it seems most people use Win. I can't find rationale for either though.
[08:28] <auronandace> d_ven0m: i prefer win, there are apps that use alt. in my case i need alt in weechat for changing channels
[08:29] <Dynetrekk1> hi, can anyone recommend a very fast compression format? gzip/xz/bzip2 take too much (CPU) time
[08:29] <Dynetrekk1> compression efficiency less important (for this case)
[08:30] <d_ven0m> auronandace: Aaah. Okay thanks. I couldn't remember a use case for Alt/Mod1 but thought it might definitely be used, so I didn't want to get learn a keybind only to change it later.
[08:30] <ducasse> Dynetrekk1: i use win, but you are asked on first startup which one to use
[08:31] <ducasse> d_ven0m: ^^
[08:31] <d_ven0m> ducasse: There's where I
[08:31] <d_ven0m> ducasse: I'm at*
[08:31] <d_ven0m> ducasse: ^^
[08:33] <ducasse> d_ven0m: as auronandace points out, many/most apps use alt for keybindings, so win/super is a better choice imo
[08:33] <Dynetrekk1> d_ven0m: I use win, but I use an apple keyboard
[08:34] <Dynetrekk1> d_ven0m: alt is used for some shortcuts I guess - like switching channels in my irc client, alt+F4 for closing programs etc
[08:34] <d_ven0m> ducasse: Gotcha. I chose Win
[08:34] <Dynetrekk1> d_ven0m: but i3 lets you remap and control everything so it doesn't matter so much I think
[08:34] <Dynetrekk1> d_ven0m: consider swapping alt and win physically so it's like an apple keyboard (win/super next to space), that's more thumb friendly
[08:34] <d_ven0m> Dynetrekk1: I'm assuming with Apple kbs, Command == Win?
[08:34] <Dynetrekk1> d_ven0m: right
[08:34] <Dynetrekk1> d_ven0m: it works on windows too, it's just a regular USB keyboard
[08:36] <d_ven0m> Dynetrekk1: I used to love my MBP keyboard, but alas, no more Apple computer :(
[08:38] <d_ven0m> Dynetrekk1: Maybe one day in the future :P Until then, I'll probably get an x86 chromebook or something for travel/school, and root it.
[08:39] <Dynetrekk1> d_ven0m: this is a USB keyboard, fits in my ubuntu machine just fine :) my laptop is wintendo for corporate policy reasons
[08:39] <Dynetrekk1> (i.e. no reason)
[08:40] <Bluerate> hello all, can't open log file of ubuntu server, I got permission denied then logged as root .. still same problem?
[08:40] <d_ven0m> Dynetrekk1: I know, I could always get an external keyboard... but it's inconvenient for a laptop
[08:41] <Dynetrekk1> d_ven0m: yes. true.
[09:33] <Guest27734> Hi
[09:34] <Guest27734> Hey?
[09:35] <ducasse> hi Guest27734 - how can we help?
[10:07] <gopal> how to do this ?  Let's see how fast the battery drains. To do this, please attach the output of "grep . /sys/class/power_supply/*/*" just before shutdown, and then leave the laptop for like 1 hour, boot it again and attach the output of "grep . /sys/class/power_supply/*/*" and please do this test for both bad and good case, where good case means you can remove the battery and plug it again after shutdown
[10:07] <gopal> grep say : Is a directory
[10:14] <ducasse> gopal: don't crosspost, please - it's rude
[10:19] <s10gopal> anyone online
[10:19] <s10gopal> ?
[10:23] <calico> I have a google-analytics.com entry in my /etc/hosts pointing to 0.0.0.0 but Chromium doesn't respect it?? Other browsers do...
[10:24] <calico> Tried with another entry - trackersimulator.org refused to connect.
[10:25] <calico> How come google-analytics.com trumps my hosts
[10:25] <brainwash> calico: isn't that a question for #chromium?
[10:25] <darek> y
[10:25] <darek> hey
[10:25] <darek> *
[10:26] <brainwash> calico: it could be that google-analytics.com is handled by google differently
[10:26] <darek> hehe
[10:27] <calico> brainwash, I thought Chromium is open source and free of any BS. Wrong?
[10:27] <darek> yes
[10:27] <darek> maybe
[10:28] <brainwash> does that prevent anything shady?
[10:28] <darek> I don't think so
[10:28] <brainwash> well, you can check the source code :)
[10:28] <darek> maybe
[10:28] <calico> sudo apt purge chromium?
[10:28] <brainwash> you haven't asked the chromium guys yet, or?
[10:29] <darek> I've done it
[10:29] <darek> but I don't get the right answer
[10:29] <calico> darek, what is your issue?
[10:29] <brainwash> I'm a bit confused also
[10:30] <darek> fuck you
[10:31] <calico> Too much coffee, not enough adult websites :)
[10:31] <XXCoder> welcome back pi\
[10:31] <calico> brainwash, Alright, I'll ask them...
[10:32] <calico> But as you say, it's Chromium really
[10:32] <calico> Another thing:
[10:33] <calico> When I try rebooting I get "logout cancelled by Viber", I am with KDE though :) Can you help with that?
[10:33] <brainwash> not sure
[10:34] <brainwash> is that a viber message?
[10:34] <brainwash> hmm. maybe it's not easy to tell
[10:34] <brainwash> I would ask in #KDE or #Kubuntu
[10:35] <calico> https://i.imgur.com/JjPjr5d.png
[10:36] <brainwash> found a bit of info here https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/5094
[10:36] <brainwash> is that last comment on that page from you?
[10:38] <calico> Yes
[10:38] <calico> It doesn't seem to be a KDE problem https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3301
[10:39] <calico> brainwash, furthermore - Brave also opens google-analytics.com
[10:39] <calico> Vivaldi as well
[10:40] <calico> Oh no, I copied the forwarded url..
[10:41] <calico> So only Brave
[10:41] <unimatrix9> hello all
[10:42] <unimatrix9> where can i edit the settings of unity right klick menu ( sidebar ) ?
[10:42] <unimatrix9> i have installed libreoffice 6, and the right klick menu on unity does not work
[10:43] <unimatrix9> i think its due to the fact that its trying to launch older libreoffice
[10:43] <brainwash> calico: mmh. chromium, brave and vivaldi all use google's blink engine for webrendering
[10:44] <brainwash> calico: could be that vivaldi did some further changes, and removed something google specific
[10:45] <brainwash> unimatrix9: wasn't the older libreoffice replaced?
[10:46] <unimatrix9> no i installed with dpkg -i
[10:46] <brainwash> calico: maybe use a network analyzer and check what chromium/brave does
[10:47] <unimatrix9> but i found the config files for the lauchers , in usr/share/applications
[10:47] <unimatrix9> see if i can tweak them
[10:47] <brainwash> alright
[10:49] <calico> brainwash, how can I do that
[10:51] <unimatrix9> yep works, needed to remove old icon
[10:51] <calico> brainwash, are into privacy and such? what browsers do you use?
[10:51] <unimatrix9> thanks for your time ;)
[10:52] <brainwash> cool unimatrix9 :)
[10:52] <brainwash> calico: not really. personally, I mainly use firefox
[10:53] <brainwash> calico: with the usual adblocker etc.
[10:53] <brainwash> this way you can block google-analytics
[10:54] <calico> I see, cool, so when you're 60 you're gonna be able to revisit the pages you visited when you were 20 :P
[10:54] <brainwash> not sure how to interpret that
[10:54] <calico> The thing is that I use multiple browsers and I don't want to load the same extensions over and over
[10:55] <brainwash> I understand
[10:55] <calico> brainwash, well Google Analytics is deep into FF as well...
[10:55] <sush> quit
[10:56] <brainwash> I'm aware that the integrated "find more addons" page did/does connect to Google Analytics
[10:56] <brainwash> but that's offtopic now
[10:57] <brainwash> like I said, I suggest asking the chromium guys/devs about your issue
[10:57] <calico> Yeah, no one answers, I am posting on their reddit right now
[11:09] <x7041> Hello?
[11:09] <lliurex> hello
[11:09] <soruto> hola
[11:09] <lliurex> qui eres
[11:09] <soruto> ricardo
[11:09] <x7041> which language is this?
[11:10] <s> valencia
[11:10] <soruto> spanish
[11:10] <x7041> i mean in which language can u speek?
[11:10] <Guest68431> fuck you
[11:10] <lliurex> jeje
[11:10] <x7041> sry
[11:10] <Guest68431> help me
[11:10] <ducasse> !ot
[11:10] <Rackrans> holis
[11:10] <calico> No one can help with that language.
[11:11] <sebas_> heeelp
[11:11] <x7041> ups
[11:11] <x7041> cler
[11:11] <ducasse> sebas_: ask your question
[11:11] <x7041> I solved it :D
[11:11] <soruto> ricardo mira ekl privat
[11:11] <sebas_> speak spanish?
[11:11] <ducasse> !es
[11:12] <adalbert> Hi, which vnc client (on windows) is compatible with x11vnc in SSL mode ?  I keep getting an encryption message telling me to use a weaker level of encryption.
[11:12] <sebas_> ok
[11:12] <sebas_> ok
[11:12] <sebas_> ok
[11:12] <sebas_> o
[11:12] <sebas_> k
[11:12] <sebas_> ok
[11:13] <soruto> help meeeeeeeeee
[11:13] <sebas_> terrorist
[11:13] <sebas_> heelp
[11:13] <sebas_> bomm
[11:13] <soruto> alakbar
[11:13] <sebas_> hacker informatic
[11:13] <x7041> ask your question soruto
[11:14] <soruto> my question is : ¿Luffy will be the king of pirates?
[11:14] <sebas_> xD
[11:14] <sebas_> www.xxx.com
[11:14] <calico> :D
[11:15] <soruto> pornhub.es
[11:16] <Guest67479> hello
[11:17] <Guest67479> i want to know how to mount drives
[11:18] <ducasse> !mount
[11:18] <ducasse> !fstab | Guest67479 also see this
[11:20] <negev> hi, trying to upgrade a vm from 14.04 to 16.04, it fails on kernel packages and after the upgrade is complete these packages are broken: https://gist.github.com/m4rkw/be5e3315d76be1782fda795f24333095
[11:21] <marataziat> hello
[11:23] <calimero_82> hello, I  installed pulseaudio and I uninstalled it and after doing sudo apt  autoremove disappeared lxde and I put it back via sudo apt install  lubuntu-desktop, what should I do to see what else  has uninstalled? which log should I see? thanks
[11:25] <ducasse> calimero_82: try /var/log/apt/history.log
[11:25] <sush> test
[11:25] <sush> #test
[11:25] <kcuf> why is the question a brief explaination will follow...
[11:25] <kcuf> from time to time my usb drives require me to delete and sync with the dd command.
[11:26] <kcuf> is burn bootable windows usbs with rufus
[11:26] <kcuf> i burn ubuntu isos
[11:26] <calimero_82> thanks ducasse
[11:26] <kcuf> intermitently i get a mismatch with the drive descriptor size
[11:27] <kcuf> (block size)
[11:27] <kcuf> why does rufus and dd do this to my usb's
[11:27] <kcuf> i want to understand it
[11:27] <kcuf>  i know how to fix it already
[11:27] <kcuf> but not why
[11:28] <Ben64> because it's taking the info from the iso
[11:28] <kcuf> and how to choose an appropriate block size when using dd command
[11:28] <Ben64> doesn't matter
[11:28] <kcuf> to me yes i like to learn the y as well as the how
[11:29] <Ben64> and i just told you why
[11:29] <calimero_82> i ve found these files, what should i do to reinstall it, there are many
[11:33] <Murii> why is the latex package so huge?
[11:38] <soruto> holis
[11:38] <soruto> adiosss :(
[11:39] <hateball> !es | soruto
[11:41] <kcuf>  is there a way to get a progess output for this command
[11:41] <kcuf>  sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdaX
[11:41] <XXCoder> maybe add -V for verbal
[11:42] <XXCoder> check out its man oage
[11:42] <Ben64> man dd will tell you if it's possible
[11:43] <marataziat> lol
[11:43] <kcuf> where in the argument would u put -V
[11:43] <kcuf> conyo
[11:43] <geirha> find its pid, and send it SIGUSR1
[11:43] <Ben64> that too
[11:44] <geirha> sudo kill -USR1 pid-of-dd-command
[11:45] <geirha> don't use pkill or killall. I know it's tempting, but don't
[11:45] <marataziat> hi
[11:45] <marataziat> win 7
[11:55] <Jazzy_J> Murii, if you stay away from the meta-package you can install pieces.
[11:56] <Murii> Jazzy_J, that's what I did but then I had to convert what I wrote into pdf and that package was 1gb!!
[11:56] <Murii> Is there another solution?
[11:56] <Murii> another way to compile that .tex file?
[11:57] <Jazzy_J> Not really.  What is your main objective?
[11:57] <Murii> I had to write a draft and thought using Latex is a good idea
[11:58] <Murii> I ended up using it but the size of it bothers me a bit
[11:59] <Jazzy_J> Latex is not lightweight. It is a professional quality compositional solution.  If you can accept the quality of LibreOffice or OpenOffice, I would recommend them.  The quality is almost as good. You just don't have access to the special symbols and formatting that LaTeX has to offer.
[11:59] <Jazzy_J> It's kinda a "you get what you pay for."
[12:00] <Murii> If there's no other solution I'll accept that. I like writing in LaTeX because it feels like programming
[12:02] <hateball> cant you write LaTeX in LibreOffice?
[12:02] <Jazzy_J> I like it too.  I used to write math papers and it's actually easier to write it in LaTeX once you understand the language.
[12:02] <hateball> Murii: like with https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/texmaths-1
[12:07] <mindspoof> Good day!
[12:08] <poopfart> found out i can pipe -pv between dd command for an output
[12:08] <poopfart> needs installing
[12:09] <poopfart> eg dd if=/dev/urandom | pv | dd of=/dev/null
[12:09] <Jazzy_J> hateball, with the extension, the latex environment still needs to be installed.
[12:10] <Jazzy_J> Murii, there are low-level equation editors in Libre and Open Office that may help you get by without installing the mass of LaTeX.
[12:17] <hateball> Jazzy_J: ah!
[12:26] <gnunix> i'm waiting for the nooby linux questions, where are they?
[12:28] <s10gopal> what should i do ?https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665
[12:42] <FunkyELF> Hi... how can I install this PPA?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gource
[12:42] <FunkyELF> I don't see instructions on it like I do when I google for other PPAs
[12:43] <cfhowlett> ppas are supported by the publisher.  email him
[12:46] <FunkyELF> cfhowlett: I was just wondering if you know the path or url if there are generic instructions on how to install it
[12:47] <cfhowlett> sudo dpkg -i foo.deb is the usual method, FunkyELF
[12:48] <JimBunbtu> s10gopal, "What should I do?" Either wait for the mainline kernel devs or dig in by learning the languages required, how things work at the lower levels and contributing code. Either way, I would suggest pressing/holding the power button after you "poweroff" for 15 seconds to ensure the laptop is completely off... or start using the "hibernate" function, if that's working correctly. One of the worst things I could suggest, woul
[12:48] <JimBunbtu> d be to re-post in #Ubuntu about a mainline kernel issue, or possibly even about an Ubuntu kernel issue.
[12:49] <s10gopal> JimBunbtu: Hibernate ? it uses battery right ?
[12:51] <JimBunbtu> s10gopal, Hibernate shouldn't require battery. That suspends your session to disk, powers off and then awakes by using that disk image. At least, that's the last way I remember it working. "Suspend" uses battery
[12:51] <FunkyELF> cfhowlett: hmm... that seems to installed gource but then messed up on dependencies.  Now my original `gource` doesn't work.  How can I "uninstall" this .deb
[12:51] <s10gopal> JimBunbtu: require swap  partation ?
[12:52] <JimBunbtu> s10gopal, I have not heard of any dependency on a swap partition, but it could.
[12:52] <cfhowlett> sudo dpgk -r foo.deb will remove it. fwiw: dpkg is not as dependency smart as APT
[12:52] <s10gopal> JimBunbtu: how to activate it ? i cant see any option
[12:53] <JimBunbtu> s10gopal, Then it might be inherently unsupported for you. I'm not aware of any sure-fire method to enable it as an option. I haven't used it in quite a while.
[12:55] <em1nemDroidBoy> what up millet
[12:56] <pjotter1> Hello everybody. In a clean Ubuntu installation, when you use an application like wget, it will first try to download through IPv4 and if that fails through IPV6 (if available). For some reason, in my installation, the order got switched. It now first tries IPV6 and then IPV4. Does anybody know how this change could have occurred and to restore it to it's default behaviour?
[12:58] <JimBunbtu> pjotter1, Does this help? https://community.rackspace.com/products/f/public-cloud-forum/5110/how-to-prefer-ipv4-over-ipv6-in-ubuntu-and-centos
[13:00] <pjotter1> Hi JimBunbtu. Yes, I've done that and using that as a workaround at the moment. But in a clean installation, these settings do not exist and still it first tries IPv4 and then IPv6. Maybe there is another reason/setting that causes this default behaviour?
[13:00] <JimBunbtu> pjotter1, I have had to disable IPv6 in the past, as at some locations it wasn't working as expected. I do not remember what I needed to do, but remember it being somewhat common of an issue.
[13:01] <brainwash> JimBunbtu: did you read bug 1412943 ?
[13:02] <JimBunbtu> brainwash, I have not yet read this bug report... reading now
[13:02] <pjotter1> Yes, tries that too and ofcourse that works. But I'd rather use bith ipv4 and ipv6.
[13:02] <pjotter1> Maybe wget is hardcoded to IPv4-ipv6 in earlier versions and the newest is ipv6-ipv4.
[13:03] <JimBunbtu> brainwash, wow, that's an old bug to still exist, especially when it initially looks like a "simple" routing issue.
[13:05] <pjotter1> JimBunbtu: The reason I ask is because wineversion-installations in PLayOnLinux seem to just 'hang' for 5 minutes or so before it actually starts downloading them. I discovered PlayOnlInux uses wget to download the versions but wget first tries ipv6 (which does noet work) for several minutes before trying ipv4. In a clean installation, this is reversed: ipv4 then ipv6 but not because of the settings you just mentioned. Although that d
[13:07] <brainwash> pjotter1: /etc/gai.conf files are identical?
[13:08] <simpledat> Hi
[13:08] <simpledat> Where can I find the .iso download file for 32 bit desktop user?
[13:08] <pjotter1> brainwash: I believe so. I compared my installation to a clean installation in Virtualbox. They are the same.
[13:08] <cfhowlett> 32 bit is no longer offered in ubuntu.  xubuntu / lubuntu do offer
[13:09] <simpledat> cfhowlett: Why not?
[13:09] <cfhowlett> because it's an increasingly obsolete technology
[13:09] <akik> simpledat: you can download the 16.04 32-bit image
[13:10] <JimBunbtu> pjotter1, Have you looked at the options for having a '/usr/local/etc/wgetrc' file? Still a workaround, but wondering if it would resolve the issue for you.
[13:10] <simpledat> afik: From where? For desktop user too?
[13:11] <pjotter1> JimBunbtu: Yes, I also checked those. If I remember correctly they were the same also. No difference there. I could check again to make sure?
[13:11] <akik> simpledat: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[13:12] <JimBunbtu> Well, I don't think the preference is ONLY up to the OS. I think the DNS returns values based on it's settings. Do you have a clean install on the same network that is trying IPv4 instead of IPv6?
[13:12] <tcpdump> Morning all.
[13:12] <simpledat> afik: Why did then cfhowlett told me that is no longer offered in ubuntu?
[13:12] <pjotter1> JimBunbtu: Yes, the same network. The clean install is in a VirtualBox with the same network.
[13:13] <akik> simpledat: alternate facts maybe
[13:13] <cfhowlett> https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3018221/ubuntu-1710-wont-have-a-32-bit-installation-option
[13:13] <JimBunbtu> simpledat, 32bit is available in the alternative downloads section at https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[13:13] <tcpdump> I am running Ubutnu 14.04, and Im getting this error when I try to use sqlcmd:  "sqlcmd: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[13:13] <simpledat> So its no longer safe to use ubuntu 32bit?
[13:14] <akik> simpledat: yes, it's safe
[13:14] <tcpdump> Ive tried everything I can think of to resolve it.
[13:14] <JimBunbtu> pjotter1, I wouldn't trust virtualbox. Please try with a live-cd/usb
[13:14] <tcpdump> Anyone seen that before?
[13:14] <cfhowlett> simpledat, 16.04 32 bit has 5 years of desktop support.   use that
[13:14] <JimBunbtu> tcpdump, have you ran a GNU 'find' for the file?
[13:14] <simpledat> cfhowlett: 16.04.3?
[13:15] <cfhowlett> yes that's the latest simpledat
[13:15] <simpledat> Ok
[13:15] <pjotter1> JimBunbtu: Well, I'm pretty sure Virtualbox is correct. Occationally I reinstall Ubuntu on my system and with a fresh install the issue is always resoved. It's just after some time and updates that the order gets switched somehow. Not sure how this happens.
[13:15] <JimBunbtu> simpledat, 16.04.3 LTS is available in 32bit
[13:16] <s10gopal> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665
[13:17] <tcpdump> JimBunbtu: yep, even tried symlinking to one from a different package.  followed a ton of tuts.
[13:18] <pjotter1> PlayOnlinux also has it's own (initially empty) wgetrc file in the configurations dir. I added "inet4_only = on" to it, but that did not seem to help.
[13:18] <JimBunbtu> tcpdump, Sorry to say that if you have went that far, I probably wont be much help :/
[13:22] <tcpdump> Thx JimBunbtu
[13:24] <pjotter1> JimBunbtu: I'll keep working on it. Maybe I'll find the sollution to this. Meanwhile if anyone askes about problems with downloading wineverions in PlayOnLinux, it has to do with wget. Setting "#precedence ::ffff:0:0/96  100"  in /etc/gai.conf works but will switch the order systemwide.
[13:25] <pjotter1> JimBunbtu: Thanks for the effort!
[13:25] <kcuf> how long will dd take on an 8GB usb approx
[13:25] <JimBunbtu> pjotter1, Any time, yw.
[13:25] <kcuf> "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=1024"
[13:25] <JimBunbtu> kcuf, depends on USB version and your blocksize
[13:26] <kcuf> 2.0 usb
[13:27] <akik> kcuf: you want to use bs=1024k, not bs=1024
[13:27] <JimBunbtu> kcuf, I don't have reliable numbers on-hand. I can possibly find an 8GB USB and try to duplicate right now though. I know changing the block size helps a lot.
[13:27] <kcuf> what would be the exact command sry im very new to terminal
[13:28] <kcuf> no need to test jst a guess
[13:29] <quotation> Hello! I'm trying to install python2.7 but.. https://paste.ubuntu.com/26524490/
[13:29] <quotation> What exactly is going on here? Am I missing a dependency?
[13:29] <kcuf> im not great with syntax learning
[13:29] <JimBunbtu> kcuf, I am thinking an optimal time would be something around the 1 minute mark.
[13:29] <kcuf> thanks
[13:30] <JimBunbtu> `"dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=1024k` for what akik suggested
[13:30] <kcuf> mine has been running for like ten mins
[13:30] <JimBunbtu> I have a bad double-quote in that line
[13:30] <kcuf> thanks
[13:30] <JimBunbtu> kcuf, I would suggest something more like 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=4096k'
[13:31] <kcuf> i can jst ctrl+c to stop it ?
[13:31] <kcuf> thank u
[13:31] <JimBunbtu> you can. You can also set it to only write an explicit number of blocks
[13:32] <JimBunbtu> kcuf, example: 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=4096k count=10'
[13:32] <kcuf> cool so
[13:33] <kcuf> i dont need to write to whole of disk ?
[13:34] <JimBunbtu> kcuf, That will basically write 40MB. WARNING: USB/SSD have a rather limited number of read/write operations compared to magnetic media (HDDs). So... if you want to run tons of tests, don't expect to also use that same drive in production. Obviously, by "tons" I mean a lot a lot... ;)
[13:34] <tobias_> exit
[13:35] <kcuf> gotys thank for warning its flash mem but it wont be heaps
[13:35] <kcuf> cheers
[13:35] <JimBunbtu> kcuf, If you want to over-write the entire drive with zeros... you will need to write the whole drive.,,, if you are trying to find the better block-size for faster use in the future, then smaller samples are OK.
[13:35] <kcuf> the later got ya
[13:36] <kcuf> if i wanted a progress output where would i place pv
[13:36] <kcuf> its installed
[13:36] <kcuf> assuming id | pv | between if and of
[13:37] <kcuf> correct me as am very new to it
[13:38] <JoeLlama> I need help understanding which package manager I should use for offline updating.  Which package manager is the best? :)
[13:40] <mrghost> Hi
[13:40] <mrghost> anyone there?
[13:41] <JoeLlama> I'm here but probably of little use
[13:41] <JimBunbtu> !ask
[13:41] <JoeLlama> I'm looking for a package manager JimBunbtu may I ask which one you like?
[13:41] <JimBunbtu> JoeLlama, I would probably still be using apt or dpkg. You can `apt-get download` files to use later.
[13:42] <JoeLlama> ya that is what I am doing now :)
[13:42] <mrghost> is this a bot?
[13:42] <JoeLlama> well one is a bot I think mrghost :)  the other I'm not sure
[13:42] <JimBunbtu> mrghost, I am kind of a bot, but kind of not. That rhymed.
[13:42] <JoeLlama> yay rhymes
[13:42] <mrghost> haha LOL
[13:43] <tcpdump> JimBunbtu: in true fashion I  got past that error, now I have a new error. :)
[13:43] <tcpdump> lol
[13:43] <JimBunbtu> tcpdump, YAY for success, even when it leads to a new failure.
[13:43] <JoeLlama> JimBunbtu I want to download vlc offline and apparently there are a lot of dependencies.  Doesn't a package manager handle that better?
[13:43] <mrghost> can I know from where you guys are?
[13:44] <JoeLlama> that's kinda off topic but since hardly anyone is talking I'm in california
[13:44] <JimBunbtu> JoeLlama, Yes, a package manager is built to handle that. I do think there is a way you can download VLC along with all the dependencies, I do not know the command off-hand though :/ need to look
[13:45] <JimBunbtu> mrghost, Earth, North America, Northeast
[13:45] <mrghost> Glad to know you Joe
[13:45] <JoeLlama> ok thanks JimBunbtu
[13:46] <JimBunbtu> JoeLlama, apt-get download $(apt-rdepends <package>|grep -v "^ ")
[13:46] <JoeLlama> yes mrghost just to let you know it's a support channel and they don't like off topic things here much but for me as a general rule as long as no one else is really talking I think a little of that is ok.
[13:47] <JoeLlama> wow ok JimBunbtu... I'm still learning the ropes here so...  but since I made the decision to set up ubuntu on a bunch of systems I feel like I can breath a little better now.  Windows sux.
[13:48] <JoeLlama> at this point I am just interested in getting VLC installed...  I am googling like nuts but I can't seem to get any straight answers.
[13:48] <akik> JimBunbtu: thanks for the nice tip
[13:48] <JimBunbtu> JoeLlama, once you do that download command, you will need to copy the downloaded files from where apt-get stores them. Do you know the directory?
[13:49] <JimBunbtu> /var/cache/apt/archives I think
[13:50] <TJ-> JimBunbtu: akik Have to be careful with that rdepends magic; for some packages that'll result in pulling in tens to hundreds of other packages !!
[13:50] <JimBunbtu> Good point TJ-
[13:50] <TJ-> JimBunbtu: I know, because I was exploring some rdepends last week and found a package with about 50 :O
[13:50] <JoeLlama> eep TJ-
[13:51] <JoeLlama> JimBunbtu I am casually working on getting VLC installed.  Updates I have down now :)
[13:51] <JimBunbtu> On the plus side, you get everything needed to install said package... on the negative side, could take a bit to download.
[13:51] <JimBunbtu> yay JoeLlama
[13:51] <JoeLlama> heh
[13:52] <JoeLlama> I *love* how easy it is to safetly remove flash drives from ubuntu
[13:52] <TJ-> JoeLlama: is this your 'offline install' task? did you use apt-offline?
[13:52] <JoeLlama> yes TJ- works nicely
[13:52] <JoeLlama> at least for updates
[13:52] <JoeLlama> in fact doing an update on a system now
[13:53] <JoeLlama> I have a pile of these small Dell computers that are kinda worthless with windows but with ubuntu 16.04 they are VERY usable now
[13:53] <JoeLlama> sweet
[13:53] <TJ-> JoeLlama: I saw a fab demo last year, using apt-offline and the sound system to connect the 'offline' PC to the networked PC using the PC speaker and micrphone like an audio modem
[13:54] <eelstrebor> is there a *true* replacement for adobe flash player?
[13:54] <TJ-> eelstrebor: yes,HTML5
[13:55] <JimBunbtu> TJ-, what speed where they able to achieve? Anything over 150kbits/s?
[13:55] <eelstrebor> TJ-, so, you're saying that i can totally remove adobe flash and chrome or firefox will render ok on all web sites?
[13:56] <TJ-> JimBunbtu: nothing that amazing, it was, I think, around 19,200 baud at about 2 metres
[13:56] <JoeLlama> TJ- neat :)
[13:56] <JoeLlama> that soiunds weird TJ-
[13:56] <TJ-> eelstrebor: That wasn't what you asked - Adobe have moved to HTML5 - it's the Flash replacement
[13:56] <JoeLlama> musta been slow
[13:57] <eelstrebor> ok
[13:57] <eelstrebor> i was just reading that north korean hackers are exploiting adobe flash player right now
[13:58] <TJ-> JoeLlama: oh yeah, but that's what dial-up was/can be like. It was a proof-of-concept of being able to transfer data between air-gapped PCs. Part of it tried to used ultrasonic frequencies so it was not noticed by humans (although dogs do notice :)
[13:58] <jink> Everyone has been exploiting Flash since forever.  It contains more holes than Swiss cheese.
[13:59] <TJ-> eelstrebor: I think most people have been trying to avoid Flash for a long time, it's been a nightmare
[13:59] <JoeLlama> wow neat TJ-
[14:00] <JoeLlama> ok ok so once you update ubuntu there is no need to reboot right?
[14:00]  * eelstrebor got rid of flash player a while ago and some sites didn't render correctly
[14:02] <JoeLlama> maybe TJ- or JimBunbtu knows do I need to reboot after updating ubuntu?
[14:02] <TJ-> JoeLlama: generally, correct. A kernel update or some core system servoces or libraries may sometimes require it
[14:02] <auronandace> JoeLlama: if it is a kernel update then you will need to reboot. there are not that many other updates that require reboots
[14:02] <apsknight> Hello All,
[14:02] <apsknight> I am creating a webapp to take question papers of my School exams via a webpage and upload it on any free file hosting utility like Google Drive, Dropbox, Onedrive etc. All files should be uploaded on a common drive and they should be publicly accessible. Can you pleas e how to implement it.
[14:03] <JoeLlama> ok neat well I don't know if there was a kernel update so I will reboot
[14:03] <TJ-> JoeLlama: you'll get a noticification if a restart is required
[14:03] <JoeLlama> ah good
[14:08] <sebastian-w__> I'm out of ideas right now. (Except for buying a new USB stick)
[14:08] <sebastian-w__> laptop: dell precision 5520
[14:08] <sebastian-w__> netinstall USB stick
[14:09] <sebastian-w__> ant there is no network interfact except lo
[14:09] <sebastian-w__> modprobe e1000e -< no change
[14:09] <sebastian-w__> modprobe iwlwifi -> failed with error -2
[14:11] <sebastian-w__> usb-list shows a "bus 04 device 03: 10/100/1000 LAN entry
[14:11] <TJ-> sebastian-w__: does "lspci -nn"  show network devices?
[14:12] <nerdjones> how do set it up so that when i log in with a certain user, one python script is run, after that quits i am automatically logged out?
[14:12] <sebastian-w__> <TJ- 02:00.0 Network controller: intel Wireless 8265 / 8275
[14:14] <TJ-> sebastian-w__: Good, that matches what I see on the Debian page for that model. Is the PC connected to a switch using an Ethernet patch cable?
[14:14] <TJ-> sebastian-w__: according to the Debian page there's also a LAN interface which should work without any additional steps
[14:14] <sebastian-w__> <TJ- USB-C adapter -> ethernet cable ->router
[14:15] <sebastian-w__> indeed
[14:15] <sebastian-w__> it should be supported out of the box
[14:15] <TJ-> which Ubuntu release are you using ?
[14:16] <faekjarz> Hi, anyone in here who was able to update the OS on the bq Aquaris M10 Ubuntu Edition (ARM Tablet) beyond 15.04 to a corrent state?
[14:16] <sebastian-w__> TJ-:  17.01
[14:16] <sebastian-w__> TJ-: 17.10
[14:18] <TJ-> sebastian-w__: So even the wifi device is supported by the 4.13 kernel in 17.10.
[14:18] <sebastian-w__> and "ip link show" just lists the loopback adapater
[14:18] <TJ-> sebastian-w__: You're booting it using a USB flash with the minimal netinstall on ?
[14:18] <sebastian-w__> TJ-:  yes. No UEFI
[14:19] <sebastian-w__> TJ-: iwlwifi says: loaded firmware version 414.532993.0 op_mode iwlmvm
[14:19] <sebastian-w__> eh. 31.532993.0
[14:20] <TJ-> sebastian-w__: sounds good :)
[14:21] <sebastian-w__> TJ-: still doesn't solve my problem
[14:25] <sebastian-w__> any idea why I don't have any wifi iterfaces?
[14:28] <TJ-> sebastian-w__: I've just been looking through the file list in the mini.iso's initrd.img; I see udev default network device rules, dhclient and wpa_supplicant, and I see systemd-networkd, but without reading the init script I can't be sure how it is supposed to create the interfaces if you're not seeing anything but 'lo'
[14:30] <sebastian-w__> TJ-: ls /sys/class/net -> lo
[14:31] <JoeLlama> okay so like what this guy says in a forum hits home with me: "My question is- is there some easier way to install VLC on the offline computer? I'd love just a downloadable installer for VLC on ubuntu, does such a thing exist? It doesn't seem right that it is such a complicated process to install anything if your ubuntu machine doesn't have internet access."
[14:31] <JoeLlama> why doesn't this exist?
[14:31] <rich> hello
[14:32] <auronandace> !snap | JoeLlama
[14:32] <auronandace> JoeLlama: a snap package might be what you want
[14:32] <JoeLlama> oh! lemme look
[14:33] <JoeLlama> sweet... thanks auronandace.  I got some reading to do.
[14:36] <TJ-> sebastian-w__: is there any reason why you have to use the mini.iso instead of the regular -server or -desktop ISOs?
[14:36] <sebastian-w__> TJ-: I only have a 1GB USB disk. Buying a new USB disk is of course an option :-)
[14:36] <sebastian-w__> /stick/
[14:37] <sebastian-w__> TJ-: "cat /etc/network/devhotplug" only lists "lo"
[14:38] <TJ-> sebastian-w__: the mini.iso's initrd.img doesn't have the required tools (or space)
[14:38] <sebastian-w__> TJ-: interesting
[14:38] <sebastian-w__> TJ-: big thanks for your time
[14:38] <TJ-> sebastian-w__: the -server image is 566MB, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/17.10/release/ubuntu-17.10-live-server-amd64.iso
[14:39] <TJ-> sebastian-w__: if that installs you can then install the desktop simply with "apt install ubuntu-desktop"
[14:39] <sebastian-w__> TJ-: sounds promising
[14:39] <sebastian-w__> TJ-: willdo
[14:40] <JoeLlama> ok ok BIG #ubuntu channel question: How are is it to compile my own kernel and install it?
[14:40] <JoeLlama> s/are/hard
[14:41] <TJ-> !kernel | JoeLlama
[14:41] <JoeLlama> wow that's quite the typo
[14:42] <JoeLlama> I was just curious. I'm going to assume it's just hard.
[14:43] <akik> JoeLlama: no it's not hard. you can get the config from your current kernel and use that as a basis
[14:43] <JoeLlama> I am rather addicted to ubuntu and xubuntu atm
[14:43] <JoeLlama> oh sweet akik...
[14:43] <akik> JoeLlama: e.g. /boot/config-4.13.0-32-generic
[14:44] <JoeLlama> ok akik
[14:45] <OnceMe> dir /home have free place but / not
[14:45] <akik> JoeLlama: there seems to be a page written about it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[14:45] <OnceMe> so /home have 60G free space and / have 330M free space, how can I balance this out?
[14:45] <JoeLlama> and I know it's a little off topic but this is one of the  best channels to ask on...  I must set up an RTOS kernel like RTLinux or something like that.  If anyone has any experience with this I would like to talk with you.
[14:45] <vlad__> тут есть русские?
[14:46] <akik> !ru
[14:46] <DeeJayTwo> hi
[14:46] <DeeJayTwo> I have an issue with remmina
[14:47] <DeeJayTwo> Whenever I'm opening 2 or more remote desktop sessions, if I drag a session tab outside the remmina window, instead of seperating the windows, it crashes remmina.
[15:04] <quotation> Hello! I'm trying to install python2.7 but.. https://paste.ubuntu.com/26524490/
[15:04] <quotation> What exactly is going on here? Am I missing a dependency?
[15:05] <pavlos> DeeJayTwo: is there any info in /var/log/syslog when the crash happens?
[15:08] <leftyfb> quotation: try: sudo apt-get install python3-pip
[15:09] <quotation> I have python3 and python3-pip installed already
[15:09] <leftyfb> quotation: please pastebin apt-cache policy python3-pip
[15:10] <DJInfection> ok bout to drive a ubuntu expert crazy need some assistance... please
[15:11] <JimBunbtu> !ask | DJInfection
[15:14] <DJInfection> I have set up a boot into ubuntu off an external hardrive, using only the external hardrive I have booted into the os and know i need to partition the hardrive in order for the os to be installed. Other wise the external hardrive at installation screen cannot be seen. From inside the os there are many options to partition, I am very new to all of linux and I am not sure what to set the partition to so the os can be installed to it.
[15:14] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[15:17] <pavlos> DJInfection: let's say the external is /dev/sdb, the internal /dev/sda and you want to partition sda so you can install linux in there?
[15:19] <DJInfection> no im booting off the external drive I want to install it to.  Booting off /dev/sdb and want install to /dev/sdb
[15:20] <pavlos> DJInfection: sdb contains a live system and you want to install on the same drive? that does not sound right.
[15:20] <leftyfb> DJInfection: the partitioning of the external drive will happen as part of the installation process
[15:20] <leftyfb> DJInfection: do you mean resize the partitions?
[15:20] <DJInfection> but the installation will not read the external drive with the booting iso on it
[15:21] <leftyfb> DJInfection: that has nothing to do with how it's partitioned
[15:21] <leftyfb> DJInfection: how did you determine it doesn't read the external drive?
[15:21] <quotation> leftyfb: I told you python3 is installed. Do you mean python2.7?
[15:21] <JimBunbtu> DeeJayTwo, Does this crash also happen when using the latest release from remmina or only the Ubuntu package?
[15:22] <leftyfb> quotation: no, I mean python3-pip
[15:22] <quotation> leftyfb, okay, here you go https://paste.ubuntu.com/26524957/
[15:24] <DJInfection> I tried to install the drive will not show up, so i booted into the os without installation, and even in the os with the install option the drive still cannot be seen. Only thing I could think to do to have the installer see the same drive im booting in on is to partition a section for installation.
[15:25] <deem> quotation: is "python-configparser" installed? maybe this will fix your problem
[15:27] <pavlos> DJInfection: is this what you're trying to do? https://askubuntu.com/questions/191499/can-i-install-ubuntu-on-the-same-hard-drive-i-booted-with
[15:27] <DJInfection> yes
[15:27] <faekjarz> (No answer 1h ago, last try) Hi, anyone in here who was able to update the OS on a bq Aquaris M10 Ubuntu Edition (ARM Tablet) beyond 15.04 to a corrent version …17.10?
[15:28] <pavlos> DJInfection: if you read it, first you partition the drive to sdb1 and sdb2, you write the Live into sdb1, boot from that and tell it to install in sdb2
[15:29] <DeeJayTwo> JimBunbtu: I only tried the ubunt packaged one
[15:29] <ducasse> !touch | faekjarz
[15:29] <quotation> deem: yes
[15:29]  * faekjarz has been touched xD
[15:30] <JimBunbtu> DeeJayTwo, I probably shouldn't say this on this channel, but I would suggest trying the latest release from the dev, you can always purge it if needed. I do need to say that once you are using the non-Ubuntu version, this channel probably wont be able to support you. I suggest this as it's how I resolved an issue I was running into.
[15:30] <DJInfection> but now that im in the os, i can partition from in here, but with the very many options in this os i am not sure which partition option to choose. This way i do not have to plug my internal drive back in to partition and go through the boot proccess again
[15:30] <faekjarz> A'ight, thanks ducasse
[15:31] <leif> If I have some file associated with a text editor, is there any way I can tell ubuntu to open up that file in the existing text editor window (in a new tab), rather than starting up a whole new instance of that text editor?
[15:31] <faekjarz> Oh, the #ubuntu-touch channel is now invite only!
[15:32] <faekjarz> ducasse: ^^
[15:32] <DeeJayTwo> JimBunbtu: Yay it worked :) I added their ppa
[15:32] <DeeJayTwo> thank you! :)
[15:32] <ducasse> faekjarz: it might just require registration
[15:33] <JimBunbtu> DeeJayTwo, YAY! yw.
[15:33] <Mr_Pan> faekjarz, would u like an invite in #ubuntu-touch ?
[15:33] <faekjarz> ducasse: i am registrered (with freenode)
[15:33] <leftyfb> DJInfection: I would not recommend repartitioning/installing Ubuntu to/from the same drive you're running from
[15:34] <leftyfb> DJInfection: I would boot to the live cd/usb and let us help you troubleshoot from there
[15:34] <Mr_Pan> faekjarz, are u sure  ?  im in without invite ... the channel is redirect on #ubports
[15:34] <leftyfb> DJInfection: First question, what version of ubuntu are you trying to install?
[15:35] <faekjarz> Mr_Pan: well, yes, i'd like to discuss the upgrade path from 15.04 to current on the bq Aquaris M10
[15:35] <DJInfection> ubuntu 16.04LTS
[15:35] <faekjarz> Mr_Pan: #ubports redirect huh? i'll try ;)
[15:36] <leftyfb> DJInfection: ok, that's what I would recommend. Again, I would suggest booting from the live cd/usb and let us help you troubleshoot from there
[15:38] <DJInfection> im booted from it now.. im in the os without installation.. only reason I dont want to use my internal harddrive is last time I attempted it , it wiped my windows and both drives somehow and after installation would not boot into either hard drive so i had to format and re-install windows and then start the boot process again. The reason I disconnected the internal hard drive. I want both os but one on my internal, other on externa
[15:40] <leftyfb> DJInfection: ok, so you're currently booted to the cd/usb with the internal drive disconnected and the external plugged in via usb? (not the same media of the ubuntu installer correct?)
[15:41] <sky788> hello all
[15:41] <DJInfection> I am booted on the same media via usb/iso on the external hardrive I want to install to
[15:41] <leftyfb> no
[15:41] <leftyfb> DJInfection: boot to a DIFFERENT media from the drive you're installing to
[15:42] <DJInfection> have no other drives to do so or would do this from disc or flash drive..
[15:42] <leftyfb> DJInfection: you don't have a flash drive?
[15:42] <DJInfection> unfortunately not..
[15:42] <leftyfb> DJInfection: they're like $5 at Walmart
[15:43] <DJInfection> I have -cash, comin out of a surgery and loss of job will be a while before I have any money for anything but bills im behind on this is the reason im attempting to do it this way:(
[15:44] <circ-user-oJYI8> Hi can you guys help me understand how to add a patch for my wireless adapter?
[15:44] <leftyfb> I thought you were doing it this way because you were doing it this was because you were worried about wiping your drive?
[15:45] <drewb> I have this bug, and I don't know what the ubuntu dev means by his comment here
[15:45] <drewb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1743279/comments/23
[15:45] <drewb> what does it mean that it's "released to -update"
[15:45] <DJInfection> no too late for that lol lost both drives in last attempt along with all data I was trying to save.. :( I can partition the current drive im connected to tho and thats wy im asking if its possable to partition and then install to the partition from in the uninstall os
[15:45] <drewb> does that mean i need to EnableProposed to get it?
[15:46] <DJInfection> no worries about any loss at this point only that will be deleted is the bootable iso
[15:46] <ducasse> drewb: no, it means it will be installed as a regular update
[15:46] <Tecan> https://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/img/moba/features/feature-syntax-highlighting.png  << nice colors hopefully vte gets that option soon
[15:47] <drewb> ok @ducasse - how can I confirm that I've gotten it?
[15:47] <drewb> my wireless is screwed up without it
[15:47] <leftyfb> DJInfection: possible, yes. Worth you and everyone elses time, no
[15:47] <kostkon> drewb, what Ubuntu release are you on
[15:47] <drewb> 17.10
[15:48] <DJInfection> Well than the only other question I would have would be In the current Os im in which option attempt would be best to partition to?
[15:48] <drewb> 4.13.0-32-generic
[15:48] <ducasse> drewb: you can look at /var/log/apt/history.log to see if linux-firmware has been updated, or use 'apt policy linux-firmware' if you know the version number
[15:48] <kostkon> drewb, have you checked for updates?
[15:48] <drewb> you mean with `apt-get update`?
[15:49] <ducasse> drewb: i got an update for it today
[15:49] <drewb> ok @ducasse, what do i look for?
[15:49] <drewb> im about to update, do i need to `apt-get upgrade` too?
[15:49] <kostkon> drewb, update then  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:50] <drewb> then after, how do i confirm that this particular thing got updated
[15:50] <drewb> that's all i really care about
[15:50] <kostkon> drewb, check its version it should be at 1.169.3
[15:50] <ducasse> drewb: just read the update output
[15:50] <drewb> what's it called?
[15:51] <kostkon> drewb, linux-firmware
[15:51] <drewb> ok, but as far as the qualcomm adapter patches
[15:51] <drewb> that's the thing that had a bug
[15:51] <tx_> hey, I'm trying to update my system but I'm getting the message: nscd.service: Control process exited, code=exited status=203. I alreadt deleted nscd's cache, but it didn't seem to help
[15:52] <drewb> "Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter, available in numerous laptops, including ones that ship with Ubuntu 16.04 pre-installed, silently stops working after the second group rekeying, which is usually few minutes after the user has connected to a WiFi network."
[15:52] <kostkon> drewb, see if you got the updated linux-firmware package and then i guess you should reboot
[15:53] <sebastian-w__> TJ-: turned out, ubuntu-server also fails to create any network devices. But, installation succeeded using the packages shipped with the installation medium.
[15:53] <drewb> right kostkon, but that still wouldn't confirm that I got the qualcomm patch
[15:54] <drewb> basically, I don't know what "released to -update" means in this context. And I'm concerned that just updating isn't going to guarantee I get the fix
[15:54] <drewb> so I'd like to confirm
[15:55] <kostkon> drewb, there's one way to find out (for now), update the package and reboot the system then see how your wireless behaves
[15:55] <drewb> ok. So "released to -update" means that it's in the official stable release repo?
[15:55] <drewb> why did you say i need to do dist-upgrade?
[15:55] <ducasse> drewb: it means it's in the -updates repo
[15:55] <drewb> isn't that to move to new releases?
[15:56] <kostkon> drewb, that's the idea, but maybe it hasn't reached your mirror yet, who knows
[15:56] <ducasse> drewb: no
[15:57] <kostkon> drewb, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_1.169.3/changelog
[15:57] <kostkon> drewb, it's up there, at least on the main server
[15:57] <drewb> nice
[15:57] <drewb> thanks a bunch
[15:58] <drewb> i can't believe it's finally fixed
[15:58] <drewb> you think it's worth it to just upgrade my wifi card to an intel?
[15:58] <drewb> it's only $21 on amazon
[15:58] <drewb> for the xps 13
[15:58] <kostkon> drewb, mini pci?
[15:59] <tx_> Hey!I'm trying to update my system but I'm getting the message: nscd.service: Control process exited, code=exited status=203. I already deleted nscd's cache, but it didn't seem to help
[15:59] <drewb> https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Wireless-AC-8265-NGWMG-BlueTooth-Brown/dp/B01MZA1AB2?tag=wpcentralb-20&ascsubtag=UUwpUdUnU41865YYw
[15:59] <drewb> it's that
[16:06] <edfred> Hello, I try to get support by mounting a not recognized 3TB hard disk. the standard mounting is not working. fdisk shows a GPT device. But if I use gfdisk, there is no partition detected.
[16:07] <edfred> The disk was connected before to a MAC using an external USB housing. so I expected a HFS+ partition
[16:08] <edfred> The disk is not recognized using a MAC neither by connecting it to a windows machine. I also tried a HFS+ explorer on the windows machine
[16:09] <michelem> hello folks!
[16:10] <mozammel> hi, is there anyone can help me about my hybrid GPU system, Intel + [AMD/ATI] Topaz XT [Radeon R7 M260/M265 / M340/M360 / M440/M445]
[16:10] <michelem> I'm migrating an old filesystem to a new server. Mysql was at 5.1 . I need to do each version upgrade 5.2 … until 5.7 . Any way to install those old mysql-server versions on a new ubuntu?
[16:10] <mozammel> my amd card, never get to work.
[16:13] <akik> edfred: what do you get with: sudo gdisk -l /dev/sdX
[16:14] <akik> edfred: use a pastebin service like paste.ubuntu.com
[16:20] <edfred> Sorry, bettry was empty. Can anybody give some advice with my mounting problem?
[16:20] <akik> edfred: what do you get with: "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sdX" ? use paste.ubuntu.com to show
[16:26] <edfred> got this output https://paste.ubuntu.com/26525298/
[16:31] <letterman> I keep gettin a desktop notification every time some random log file gets a write to it, and I don't know why or how to turn it off but it's persistent as shit and super annoying
[16:32] <letterman> https://imgur.com/a/26A6g
[16:33] <CarlFK> letterman: cool - how did you do that? ;)
[16:33] <kostkon> letterman, what does it contain
[16:34] <CarlFK> only 1/2 trolling you.   I'm kinda curious how you did that.
[16:34] <auronandace> letterman: do you know where that log file is. it looks just like the notification i get when something changes in dropbox
[16:34] <letterman> I hope your talking about how to build a spaceship and not how to annoy yourself endlessly
[16:36] <letterman> ugh, it is a dropbox notification. I installed an application into the directory and forgot to set the logging to out of the directory
[16:37] <letterman> so now all day I'm going to be notified about what my home pc is doing. Hooray
[16:37] <leftyfb> letterman: you can set dropbox to not sync that log directory
[16:37] <letterman> unless I disable dropbox notifications
[16:37] <letterman> or that works too
[16:39] <letterman> so here's a question that has eluded me about ubuntu notifications, why are they so awful??
[16:40] <letterman> for example, if I get an email I get a notification but if I click the notification it doesn't open the email.. hell it doesn't even go away it just fades, and when I take my mouse away it's back to being annoying and useless
[16:40] <akik> edfred: so it looks like linux sees the 2.7 TiB. do you have some data on it now that you can not see?
[16:40] <letterman> why doesn't clicking the notification either close it or open the application?
[16:42] <edfred> akik: yes, there are data on the hdd, but I cannot access them
[16:43] <ecormier> edfred: any useful info from lsblk -f?
[16:43] <akik> edfred: ok sorry i don't know how to get the data to be shown in linux. maybe somebody else can comment whether the disk needs to be converted from mbr to gpt (sgdisk --mbrtogpt)
[16:44] <akik> edfred: but backup the data before proceeding
[16:45] <ecormier> both mac and windows should be able to read gpt, I wouldn't convert
[16:46] <edfred> ecormier: the device doesnt appear on lsblk -f
[16:47] <edfred> ecormier: oh sorry. sdb appears but no extended information
[16:47] <ecormier> eek, if you weren't using full disk encryption, and there are no partitions that sounds like data loss to me
[16:48] <edfred> hm, encryption could be an option... I will ask the friend I am doing this for. thanks
[16:49] <akik> edfred: is that disk encrypted?
[16:50] <edfred> dont know. Is there an option to check that easily without getting truecrypt running
[16:51] <akik> edfred: ask your friend
[16:51] <ecormier> truecrypt wouldn't be the only option, it could be cryptsetup.... I'd ask...
[16:51] <akik> edfred: if it's full disk encrypted, it might show like that
[16:52] <ecormier> any good full disk encryption shouldn't give away that there is anything there
[16:52] <edfred> ecormier, akik: he told me that there was no encryption
[16:53] <ecormier> I'd reconfirm on the original machine that there is something there
[16:54] <edfred> ecormier, it was an external drive
[16:54] <ecormier> does that make a difference?
[16:57] <ecormier> if there was something there non-encrypted, lsblk -f should show it
[17:01] <rightisleft> hello,
[17:01] <akik> edfred: when you connect the disk to your computer, what gets output to "dmesg"
[17:01] <rightisleft> im trying to get ubuntu to recognize my MS Ergo Bluetooth keyboard - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1003302/how-do-i-add-a-microsoft-surfacepro-bluetooth-keyboard-to-ubuntu-16-04
[17:02] <rightisleft> its paired and trusted - but no key events are registering
[17:02] <mrblue520> hey
[17:02] <akik> edfred: usually it would show a line for the disk and its partitions
[17:02] <mrblue520> any one know how to get someone ip
[17:02] <mrblue520> or dns
[17:02] <rightisleft> im running ubuntu 16.04 desktop
[17:04] <akik> edfred: mbr limits the maximum addressable space to 2 TiB so that could be a problem in your case
[17:04] <edfred> akik, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26525459/
[17:04] <ecormier> akik: if that was the case, it would have been the same on the first machine
[17:05] <akik> unknown partition table :P
[17:05] <akik> edfred: that line would normally print the partitions
[17:05] <edfred> akik: yes. I know ;-)
[17:07] <edfred> akik: there is another disk that behaves exactly the same. How bout a raid configuration? But this should show up in fdsik...
[17:07] <akik> edfred: which os can read the disk?
[17:08] <edfred> akik: none
[17:08] <akik> edfred: raid partitions in linux (mdraid) would be visible as normal partitions
[17:08] <akik> edfred: then how do you know there's data in there?
[17:09] <edfred> akik: The friend told me that he had an archive on that disks
[17:09] <akik> edfred: i'd be very careful now to go back to your friend's and backup the data
[17:10] <akik> edfred: then re-initialize the partition table for gpt
[17:11] <bngsudheer> Hello. I have a fresh installation of Xenial. Vagrant can't find any boxes. I get this error: https://pastebin.com/Nif3tUfu
[17:11] <edfred> akik: the data is not readable at my friend's place. He archived files on the disk and put them in the shelf. We built recently a backup system for him an he wanted to copy the data and was not successful
[17:13] <akik> edfred: which os did he use?
[17:13] <ecormier> edfred: you could try something like ddrescue or photorec...
[17:13] <akik> edfred: there's also testdisk which can be used to scan for lost partitions
[17:16] <edfred> akik, ecormier: Thanks. I'll check these options. Thank you very much for your help
[17:18] <letterman> How do I search for the phrase "It works!" inside index.html across the entire disk?
[17:19] <nicomachus> letterman: someone may help you here, but #bash might know better
[17:20] <akar> hi .. anyone using ubuntu on windows linux? just wondering did somebody happen to have oc client in there..
[17:21] <akar> rhc not working for me..
[17:24] <teward> akar: 'oc client'?  'rhc'?  Mind being more specific about what you're trying to do inside WSL?
[17:25] <ducasse> !ubuwin | akar
[17:27] <literallywho> Hi all, trying to upgrade from 17.04 -> 17.10, it just hangs on this: https://i.imgur.com/hknEWii.png
[17:27] <literallywho> watdo
[17:29] <heliarc1> Anyone know where to get help with Lubuntu?
[17:29] <s10gopal> TJ-: plz see this https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665
[17:29] <brainwash> literallywho: did you follow the instructions from the eolgrade wiki site?
[17:30] <brainwash> !eolupgrade
[17:34] <s10gopal> TJ-: i should wait or switch back to windows ?
[17:43] <sami98> I am new to Ubuntu .. Linux.. I need help.. Anyone out there?..
[17:43] <sami98> I don't know much about computers
[17:43] <sami98> I have a prob with my ubuntu pc
[17:43] <nicomachus> !ask | sami98
[17:43] <sami98> anyone here?
[17:44] <sami98> ok
[17:44] <sami98> It's hard to explain but I'll do my best.. Just a sec
[17:45] <literallywho> brainwash: yes, i updated the sources, did a update/dist-upgrade
[17:45] <literallywho> as the docs recommended
[17:45] <sami98> When I start my PC it says {FAILED] FAILED TO START UPDATE UTMP ABOUT SYSTEM BOOT/SHUTDOWN
[17:45] <sami98> then
[17:46] <sami98> {DEPEND} DEPENDENCY FAILED FOR UPDATE UTMP ABOUT SYSTEM RUNLEVEL CHANGES
[17:48] <sami98> THEN i get a purple screen with 4 options, Advanced options for ubuntu , memory test {memtest86+} and memory test {memtest86+} serial console 115200
[17:48] <sami98> I also get sda4 error or something
[17:48] <sami98> when I fiddle around with the codes from ubuntu forum it fixes this and I get my PC back
[17:48] <sami98> Wht should I do
[17:49] <sami98> Any help would be appreciated
[17:49] <sami98> I have a few screenshots.. Not sure how to send them to you guys
[17:50] <sami98> Anyone herE?
[17:50] <sami98> Am I in the right chat group?
[17:51] <s10gopal> sami98: use google drive
[17:51] <nacc> !imgur | sami98
[17:51] <s10gopal>  https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665 can be fixed?
[17:51] <sami98> I wrote my problem.. can that help?
[17:51] <nacc> !paste | sami98
[17:52] <nacc> s10gopal: do you undersatnd what that bug you file is doing?
[17:52] <compdoc> sami98, open the disk app and lets see if your hard drive is healthy
[17:52] <nacc> s10gopal: i feel like you are being very impatient, if you do
[17:52] <s10gopal> nacc: no
[17:52] <nacc> s10gopal: ok, then wait.
[17:53] <nacc> s10gopal: you come here every few days asking if an upstream kernel bug has been fixed
[17:53] <nacc> s10gopal: a bug *you* filed
[17:53] <compdoc> sami98, paste to imgur and post the url for pics
[17:53] <s10gopal> nacc: i am  trying from more than 10 days , any hope it can be fixed?
[17:53] <sami98> ok
[17:53] <mrblue520> QUIT
[17:53] <sami98> I'm doing it now
[17:54] <nacc> s10gopal: i'm not sure what you are asking. Someone asked for info in the bug. You provided it.
[17:54] <nacc> s10gopal: so you need to wait until they review it
[17:54] <nacc> s10gopal: do you know how bugs work?
[17:54] <s10gopal> nacc: no
[17:55] <gde33> is there a recent version that does something like Nautilus Columns?
[17:55] <gde33> (show meta data in colums)
[17:56] <gde33> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7u9hwgKilS4/T7KfX7BzINI/AAAAAAAAI7I/rWvzZlYbCbM/s1600/nautilus-columns_nautilus3.4.png
[17:56] <gde33> or is that 2014 version still okay?
[17:56] <sami98> I have the pictures in my phone.. not able to upload them through imgur
[17:57] <sami98> I'm gonna try again
[17:57] <s10gopal> !eol
[18:00] <sami98> Hi
[18:00] <sami98> Anyone still there?
[18:00] <sami98> I got my pics up
[18:00] <sami98> https://imgur.com/a/0mBMO
[18:01] <compdoc> youre on your system now?
[18:01] <sami98> Yes
[18:01] <compdoc> open the Disks app\
[18:01] <sami98> I'm not really a computer person.. How should I open that?
[18:01] <sami98> terminal?
[18:02] <jatt> sami98: looks like your disk is hosed
[18:02] <compdoc> no, click the search and type in disks
[18:02] <sami98> I'm on that page now
[18:02] <sami98> I see my disks
[18:03] <compdoc> click the hdd, and then select the SMART menu
[18:03] <literallywho> So i'm having issues updating 17.04->17.10 as I said earlier. I followed the instructions but do-release-upgrade hangs on the first reading cache. https://i.imgur.com/hknEWii.png\
[18:03] <literallywho> does anyone know what I can do to fix this issue? haven't found any similar issues on google
[18:04] <sami98> Smart data and self tests?
[18:04] <compdoc> yes
[18:04] <sami98> on it
[18:04] <compdoc> you dont need to run tests
[18:04] <sami98> ok
[18:04] <compdoc> just read the smart
[18:05] <sami98> ok
[18:05] <sami98> I see a list
[18:05] <compdoc> does it say disk is ok?
[18:05] <literallywho> like, i dont even know where to look for logs for do-release-upgrade
[18:05] <sami98> Disk is OK, 140 bad sectors
[18:05] <compdoc> ouch
[18:05] <jatt> that disk is far from ok
[18:05] <compdoc> disk is dying
[18:05] <jatt> i told you
[18:06] <sami98> What should I do
[18:06] <jatt> new disk
[18:06] <compdoc> you can clone the drive to  anew drive thats same or larger
[18:06] <compdoc> a new
[18:06] <sami98> Oh my...
[18:06] <sami98> ok
[18:06] <sami98> Just a sec
[18:06] <sami98> I'm gonna send you guys another pic
[18:06] <compdoc> but might be best to install os from scratch
[18:07] <compdoc> files are damaged
[18:07] <sami98> Just a sec
[18:07] <ducasse> sami98: also, backup your data if you haven't done so already
[18:08] <compdoc> yes
[18:08] <sami98> https://imgur.com/a/K5DFV
[18:08] <jatt> new disk and restore from backup
[18:08] <compdoc> sami98, I think that shows it just began happening
[18:09] <compdoc> is it a laptop?
[18:09] <sami98> an ACER PC
[18:09] <compdoc> well, drine is starting to die. this is very common. I replace a lot of hdds
[18:09] <compdoc> *drive
[18:09] <sami98> Any temporary fix?
[18:09] <compdoc> backup now
[18:09] <sami98> when I start my PC it goes weired as you can see from the earlier pics
[18:10] <compdoc> thats the only fix
[18:10] <jatt> you can run badblocks on your disk
[18:10] <sami98> Ok.. So I make a back up and then how do I trasnfer my whole PC to the new drive?
[18:11] <sami98> I ran
[18:11] <sami98> that
[18:11] <jatt> but it won't stop the inevitable
[18:11] <jatt> i.e. your disk will die
[18:11] <sami98> sami@sami-computer:~$ sudo badblocks -v -s /dev/sda4 > badblocks.log
[18:11] <sami98> Checking blocks 0 to 21073919
[18:11] <sami98> Checking for bad blocks (read-only test):   0.00% done, 0:00 elapsed. (0/0/0 errdone
[18:11] <sami98> Pass completed, 30 bad blocks found. (30/0/0 errors)
[18:11] <sami98> sami@sami-computer:~$
[18:12] <compdoc> the more you mess with the drive at this point, the more sectors will fail and the more files will be lost
[18:12] <jatt> correct
[18:12] <jatt> backup your data ASAP and replace the drive
[18:13] <sami98> Ok.. So now I backup everything using the backup thing in ubuntu to my back up drive.. how do I install ubuntu and add my files to the new hard drive?
[18:14] <compdoc> boot a dvd or usb stick with the ubuntu installer
[18:14] <compdoc> after the new drive is in
[18:14] <compdoc> put the old drive aside
[18:15] <sami98> So Install a ubuntu installer on a CD then remove my old hard drive.. put in the new hard drive.. and put the CD in?
[18:17] <gordonjcp> sami98: yup
[18:18] <gordonjcp> sami98: old drive out, new drive in, install Ubuntu on new drive, old drive in (it'll appear as something like /media/sami98/1234-5678/), and copy off anything you want to keep, assuming the old drive survives at all
[18:19] <Epx998> Is it possible to do an apt-get install and force an alternate install path?
[18:19] <sami98> Understood... How can I contact you guys when I need some help during the install and stuff?.. I don't have any other computer .. I have a smartphone
[18:19] <sami98> I'm not good with PCs
[18:19] <pZombie> hello friends
[18:20] <pZombie> i am trying to build the java JDK on 14.04 xubuntu. doing ./configure it is moaning about it not being able to find freetype, even though freetype is installed
[18:21] <gordonjcp> pZombie: including the -dev package?
[18:21] <pZombie> yes, so what i did was configure --with-freetype-lib=/usr/lib --with-freetype-include=/usr/include/freetype2  and it cannot find it still
[18:21] <sami98> do you guys have an e-mail I can contact ?
[18:22] <pZombie> i also tried configure --with-freetype-lib=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ --with-freetype=/usr/include/freetype2/  also just /freetype and also /freetype2/freetype   with no success
[18:22] <sami98> should I replace anything else while I am replacing my Hard drive?
[18:23] <pZombie> gordonjcp any ideas what i am missing?
[18:23] <JimBunbtu> sami98, This is a good time to clean fans and heatsinks.
[18:23] <gordonjcp> pZombie: not really, I've never tried building JDK and indeed I avoid Java as much as possible
[18:23] <JimBunbtu> sami98, Also a good time to look at capacitors, see if they are starting to bulge/etc.
[18:24] <gordonjcp> pZombie: what does "apt-get build-dep <whatever the JDK is>" do?
[18:24] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: and if they are, get a PC that wasn't built 20 years ago
[18:24] <pZombie> gordonjcp - i am actually building the sumatra JDK to test something so it is not exactly the standard JDK
[18:24] <gordonjcp> well, 15 really
[18:25] <sami98> I got this PC 5 years ago
[18:25] <pZombie> gordonjcp, but it should be the same according to the manual
[18:25] <gordonjcp> pZombie: I'm guessing the dependencies would be about the same
[18:25] <sami98> ah
[18:25] <sami98> ok
[18:26] <JimBunbtu> gordonjcp, lol. I have repaired MBs in the last couple of years where caps went bad, power supplies as well. I have 3 LCD's that I took from the garbage where that was all that was wrong with them. I don't think any of the LCDs are even 3 years old either. Either way, it's a good time to do a visual inspection.
[18:27] <nacc> pZombie: you should really ask the JDK developers
[18:27] <nacc> pZombie: not really an Ubuntu issue, afaict
[18:27] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: yeah
[18:28] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: I don't think I've ever had to replace a failed capacitor in anything other than cheap crappy switched-mode power supplies
[18:28] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: well, failed *electrolytic* capacitor
[18:28] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: I've done several thousand SMD and disc ceramics ;-)
[18:29] <JimBunbtu> gordonjcp, yeah, I knew what you meant ;)   I haven't had to repair anything I bought, was all stuff others bought. A lot of difference in quality in the electronics industry.
[18:29] <JimBunbtu> gordonjcp, I haven't done very many surface mount by hand, I let the pick-n-place do that.
[18:30] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: I only do SMD at home, I'm not geared up for through-hole
[18:30] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: if I need to do through-hole I take it to work, where I've got a nice big nozzle for my welding torch
[18:30] <gordonjcp> but I'm not into all that through-hole blacksmithing these days, haven't the patience
[18:31] <JimBunbtu> gordonjcp, lol. Shall we compare our stereo macroscopes?
[18:31] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: :-D
[18:31] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: I got mine out of a skip, when the company I worked for closed one of its sites - they'd dropped it and knocked it out of collimation, and decided that 300 quid was too much to repair it
[18:32] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: "How Hard Can It Be?"
[18:32] <gordonjcp> not that hard, as it turns out, just a couple of wee 0.75mm allen screws
[18:33] <JimBunbtu> gordonjcp, that sounds like a good deal, free. Best I have ever gotten from the trash was a $7K switch... only problem was a dented power supply handle. I have a feeling someone else was supposed to pick it up before I found it in the dumpster.
[18:33] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: :-D finest kind...
[18:34] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: the "core switch" for the media streaming provider I worked for about 15 years ago came from a trash pile
[18:34] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: oddly enough, one of the few things I've ever had to replace blown electrolytics in, in the PSU
[18:34] <gordonjcp> and it still runs, although it's pretty crap by today's standards
[18:34] <JimBunbtu> gordonjcp, and the conversation goes full circle.
[18:35] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: I'm repressing the memory of all the old Amstrad satellite TV receivers I rebuilt the PSUs in when I was in high school
[18:35] <gordonjcp> JimBunbtu: profoundly shitty job, but it kept me in beer and video games
[18:35] <JimBunbtu> gordonjcp, I'm across the pond, but I'm generally familiar. Only work I have done on any was to yank the HDDs for movie "backups"
[18:36] <ducasse> isn't this wandering a bit offtopic?
[18:36] <gordonjcp> ducasse: it is
[18:36] <gordonjcp> ducasse: but, no-one else is talking ;-)
[18:37] <pensadorlivre> hi
[18:38] <JimBunbtu> Hi pensadorlivre. Feel free to ask any Ubuntu support question directly.
[18:38] <pensadorlivre> alguém de pt?
[18:38] <gordonjcp> !pt | pensadorlivre
[18:39] <gordonjcp> good bot
[18:39] <Hail_Spacecake> I'm trying to run `apt install <package>` and I'm getting a lot of errors like
[18:39] <Hail_Spacecake> Err:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty/universe amd64 containerd amd64 0.2.5-0ubuntu1
[18:39] <Hail_Spacecake>   404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.23 80]
[18:39] <gordonjcp> Hail_Spacecake: did you do "apt-get update" first?
[18:39] <Hail_Spacecake> us.archive.ubuntu.com looks like an official repo and I can access it in a browser
[18:39] <gordonjcp> Hail_Spacecake: Zesty is EOL, incidentally, so you might want to look at upgrading
[18:39] <JimBunbtu> !eol | Hail_Spacecake
[18:40] <nacc> Hail_Spacecake: it's because of what gordonjcp, zesty is eol, so it's been removed
[18:40] <Hail_Spacecake> ah
[18:40] <Hail_Spacecake> wait, shouldn't it be good until april?
[18:40] <Hail_Spacecake> zesty is 17.04 right?
[18:40] <Hail_Spacecake> I"m not super-familiar with how the ubuntu ecosystem does things
[18:40] <nacc> Hail_Spacecake: only get 9 months
[18:40] <Hail_Spacecake> ah
[18:40] <nacc> Hail_Spacecake: for non-LTS
[18:40] <JimBunbtu> April 2017 until Jan 13th 2018
[18:41] <Hail_Spacecake> ah just hit it then
[18:41] <Hail_Spacecake> okay
[18:41] <nacc> Hail_Spacecake: it would be good to read reelase notes, etc, if you're not familiar :)
[18:41] <Hail_Spacecake> so, I want to do apt upgrade, right?
[18:41] <Hail_Spacecake> and that will put me on 17.10?
[18:41] <nacc> !eolupgrade | Hail_Spacecake
[18:41] <nacc> Hail_Spacecake: you want do-release-upgrade
[18:42] <Hail_Spacecake> nacc: ok, thanks
[18:42] <Hail_Spacecake> hm I'm seeing some 404's in the output of that comamnd too
[18:42] <Hail_Spacecake> maybe that's normal
[18:42] <nacc> Hail_Spacecake: or possiblyou want 16.04 reinstall, depending...
[18:43] <nacc> Hail_Spacecake: read the EOL upgrade wiki page, as well
[18:44] <Shirakawasuna> Hi! I'm running 16.04 on two boxes and am getting lower than expected WiFI connections. Most importantly, I have two dual-band cards and both report that they're running in '802.11abgn' mode, though I don't know if this is important - especially since the router is configured as AC-only and they both can connect. The cards are intel: the 7260 and 8260, both dual-band.
[18:45] <Shirakawasuna> I'm getting real-world tx speeds of ~80 Mbit, even being feet away from the router. One device's iwconfig bit rate is 175 Mbit, the other has 780
[18:45] <Hail_Spacecake> nacc: nah I want to be on the latest release, I don't care about LTS
[18:45] <Hail_Spacecake> this is just my personal laptop
[18:46] <JimBunbtu> Shirakawasuna, have you tested the wired connection tx speeds? Which version of Ubuntu and were the drivers/modules auto-detected or have you had to install something special?
[18:46] <nacc> Hail_Spacecake: ok
[18:46] <Shirakawasuna> Anyone know where to find device-specific driver updates, and/or config info? I'm finding a lot of threads about getting these cards working consistently, but very little about making them fast
[18:46] <Shirakawasuna> JimBunbtu, I'm referring to LAN speeds. I haven't tried wired yet, but wouldn't that just be for troubleshooting whether the router is fundamnetally broken or something?
[18:47] <gordonjcp> Hail_Spacecake: 17.10 is the latest :-)
[18:47] <JimBunbtu> yes Shirakawasuna it will isolate if this is a wireless issue or something else
[18:47] <Shirakawasuna> JimBunbtu, I think I tinkered slightly with iwlwifi for the 8260
[18:48] <Shirakawasuna> I set iwlwifi to have lar_disable=1
[18:51] <Shirakawasuna> JimBunbtu, I'm pretty sure wired is gonna be much faster (bottleneck is almost definitely the 8260 wifi card) but I'll see if i can test
[18:53] <Shirakawasuna> gotta disconnect to test brb
[18:53] <dev> any one knows why the wireless some times works and sometime is very slow.. on ubuntu 16.04 atheros ?
[18:59] <Shirakawasuna> yep tx is 5 times faster doing wired from laptop (the one with 8260) to wifi 7260
[18:59] <Shirakawasuna> so bottleneck is 8260 wifi
[19:00] <JimBunbtu> Shirakawasuna, Ok. Sorry to say that I don't have experience with that model and I didn't find any official drivers from Intel for Ubuntu.
[19:01] <JimBunbtu> I can suggest that since the link rate was so low, if you can access the device, please check that the antennas are connected properly.
[19:02] <JimBunbtu> 175Mbit sounds more like a single band. I would expect that kind of rate from a 2.4GHz/N connection
[19:02] <Shirakawasuna> yeah it's weird
[19:02] <Shirakawasuna> it claims to be connected at 5.2 GHz
[19:03] <Shirakawasuna> I'll double check the antennas but I suspect it's more likely kernel/firmware/config
[19:03] <Shirakawasuna> gotta turn off the laptop to properly check
[19:04] <hcaldwel> Is there a way to install the system from downloads from a mirror within the normal installer, instead of from the CD?
[19:04] <alien64> is it possible to have two different backgrounds at the same time???
[19:05] <JimBunbtu> alien64, The way I have 2 different backgrounds was to stitch them into a single image that was the size of all monitors.
[19:06] <Shirakawasuna> one thing that stands out a bit to me is that it labels itself as IEEE 802.11abgn, which makes me think it's running in a non-AC mode
[19:06] <alien64> i have two acer 22" and 23"
[19:07] <alien64> nut good idea
[19:07] <JimBunbtu> Shirakawasuna, then the speeds you are seeing would make sense. Have you seen https://r3dux.org/2017/01/how-to-fix-intel-8260-rev-3a-slow-rubbish-wireless-issues-in-linux/ ?
[19:07] <JimBunbtu> alien64, the inches of the monitors aren't of importance. Are they both set for the same resolution?
[19:08] <alien64> awe ic nope not at the moment but they gould be thanks
[19:08] <alien64> ill try it
[19:09] <JimBunbtu> alien64, there is apparently a program for this called "nitrogen". I don't have any experience with it.
[19:10] <alien64> typing not my strong point
[19:10] <JimBunbtu> alien64, yw
[19:10] <Shirakawasuna> JimBunbtu, I think they have a different issue. They're happy with lower than 802.11n speeds and were presumably getting worse than that
[19:10] <Shirakawasuna> I also don't have that dmesg error
[19:10] <Shirakawasuna> I might just upgrade the firmware and see what happens, though
[19:11] <ducasse> alien64: you can also try 'feh'
[19:11] <alien64> yup that works ty again
[19:13] <sirriffsalothp>  I encrypted a usb but can only open it with the password on the computer I encrypted it on, I guess that's because I need the right encryption program. Can't recall which one I used though, how do I check this?
[19:17] <redrapscallion> for some reason, my computer freezes, and then the wifi disconnects and reconnects, like every 30 minutes. Is there any way for me to debug/find out what the cause is?
[19:17] <redrapscallion> i'm on ubuntu 16.04 on kernel 4.13.0-32-generic
[19:19] <CarlFK> redrapscallion: a good start is: sudo dmesg
[19:19] <akik> redrapscallion: could it be related to wireless interface power management? iwconfig shows if the power management is enabled
[19:20] <someone235> Hi, my fan stopped to work on my PC
[19:21] <someone235> I have Xubuntu 16.04
[19:21] <redrapscallion> akik: the power management is enabled, but what exactly does that do?
[19:21] <someone235> someone knows what should I do to fix the fan?
[19:21] <redrapscallion> akik: or rather, how would disabling that fix the problem?
[19:21] <akik> redrapscallion: it could have that kind of effect. you can turn it off for testing with "sudo iwconfig interface power off"
[19:24] <JimBunbtu> someone235, Is there good reason to suspect it's related to Ubuntu versus BIOS settings or a faulty fan?
[19:24] <redrapscallion> akik: is that change persistent?
[19:24] <someone235> JimBunbtu, I don't think so. It worked yesterday and I didn't did something special
[19:24] <akik> redrapscallion: no
[19:25] <Richard_Cavell> I'm running 16.04 MATE 64-bit. Recently when I run Software Update I get this every time: https://ibin.co/3qgtLhMkC9zp.png My Internet connection works just fine. I have rebooted. Any ideas?
[19:25] <JimBunbtu> someone235, Is this a computer that you can observe the fan on right when you power it up? I would expect the fan to turn on at power-up. If it isn't running at power-up, I would suspect the fan is bad and try replacing it or testing it outside of the system.
[19:25] <leftyfb> Richard_Cavell: in a terminal, run : sudo apt-get update
[19:26] <someone235> JimBunbtu, it's a laptop, so I can only listen :)
[19:26] <akik> redrapscallion: for persistence, i've set network-manager to disable it always
[19:27] <JimBunbtu> Does your BIOS have a screen that reports the RPM of the fan?
[19:27] <someone235> JimBunbtu, I don't think so
[19:27] <s10gopal>  https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665 can be fixed?
[19:27] <someone235> JimBunbtu, it's not one of the new BIOS menu with fancy GUI
[19:27] <redrapscallion> akik: I'll try keeping it disabled for a few hours and see if it makes any difference
[19:27] <Richard_Cavell> leftyfb, Here's the pastebin: https://pastebin.com/BH23eK84
[19:30] <Richard_Cavell> leftyfb, Does that mean that the only error is in that 6809.org.uk repo and that the Ubuntu repos are working perfectly with my computer?
[19:30] <leftyfb> looks like it
[19:30] <leftyfb> you could try disabling that repo and test
[19:31] <Richard_Cavell> Okay. I'll fix that with the repo owner - he's accessible.
[19:31] <Richard_Cavell> Thanks for your help.
[19:34] <redrapscallion_> okay - so in regards to my network disconnecting & freezing my computer (and then reconnecting and unfreezing) I narrowed it down to this error - https://paste.ubuntu.com/26526187/
[19:35] <redrapscallion_> what exactly does this error mean and how can i fix it?
[19:37] <RonWhoCares> What do I need to do?  https://pastebin.com/8taAqCer
[19:38] <nacc> RonWhoCares: you are on debian, wrong channel.
[19:38] <RonWhoCares> ahh
[20:04] <sami98> Hey.. what up.. a while back you guys recommended that I get a new Hard Drive as mine is going to fail soon... I'm now on my computer which has a that bad hard drive. .. How should I create a backup or something that when I get the new hard drive I can put all my current data on the new one...
[20:06] <ecormier> sami98: just bind mount / and rsync them...
[20:06] <Shirakawasuna> sami98, 1. I can't recommend strongly enough having backups already done, so you may want to settle on a more permanent backup solution that you use on a regular basis (at least once per month). 2. In the meantime, you can use basically anything (USB drives, flash media, etc) so long as you use a tool that can verify the data. I recommend rsync.
[20:06] <sami98> ecomier: I'm not a computer guy.. I didn't understand that term
[20:07] <Shirakawasuna> sami98, this is a good place to start for a backup strategy overview: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/the-3-2-1-backup-strategy/
[20:07] <sami98> I went on the backup option in my ubuntu and backedup it to a external hard drive
[20:07] <sami98> does that help?
[20:07] <ecormier> sami98: mount -o bind / /<mountdir>
[20:08] <ecormier> sami98: rsync -aHAP --delete /<mountdir> /<newdrive>
[20:08] <sami98> is that something I have to put in the terminal?
[20:08] <ecormier> yes :)
[20:08] <Shirakawasuna> sami98, if you'd prefer a GUI, there's grsync or unison. I'd go with grsync but that's because I like rsync.
[20:08]  * nacc would say rsync is the wrong tool for this particular user
[20:09] <sami98> I went on to the backup thing in my ubuntu and backed it up.. is that enough ?
[20:10] <lordcirth_work> sami98, test restoring it
[20:10] <Shirakawasuna> it might be, sami98. It depends on whether that particular application backs up everything or not
[20:10] <sami98> I have this:
[20:10] <sami98> sami@sami-computer:~$ sudo badblocks -v -s /dev/sda4 > badblocks.log
[20:10] <sami98> Checking blocks 0 to 21073919
[20:10] <sami98> Checking for bad blocks (read-only test):   0.00% done, 0:00 elapsed. (0/0/0 errdone
[20:10] <sami98> Pass completed, 30 bad blocks found. (30/0/0 errors)
[20:10] <sami98> sami@sami-computer:~$
[20:11] <Shirakawasuna> got some bad blocks there
[20:11] <Shirakawasuna> good idea to replace
[20:11] <Shirakawasuna> the ubuntu backup tool is deja dup, if you're running 16.04
[20:11] <Shirakawasuna> It has a 'Folder to save' option, which is important for your backup process
[20:11] <Shirakawasuna> *folders
[20:11] <sami98> Western Digital Caviar 1 TB SATA 7200 RPM 64 MB
[20:17] <sami98> Is this what I should replace with Western Digital Caviar 1 TB SATA 7200 RPM 64 MB
[20:17] <sami98> ?
[20:18] <Shirakawasuna> you don't have to replace with the exact same drive, but it is guaranteed to behave roughly the same
[20:18] <sami98> At the moment I have a 500Gb drive
[20:18] <sami98> can I replace it with Western Digital Caviar 1 TB SATA 7200 RPM 64 MB?
[20:19] <sami98> or a Seagate BarraCuda 1TB Internal Sata 6Gb/s 64MB
[20:19] <Ben64> sami98: that's a question for ##hardware
[20:19] <sami98> How can I contact hardware support?
[20:19] <Ben64> join the channel ##hardware for hardware questions, this is #ubuntu, for Ubuntu questions
[20:20] <sami98> It says * ##hardware :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[20:20] <Ben64> !register
[20:20] <Shirakawasuna> sami98, the only things that will matter are (1) size (2.5" vs. 3.5") and (2) connectivity (SATA). You already got the latter. Just make sure you get a 2.5" if this is a smaller (like laptop-size) hard drive.
[20:21] <Shirakawasuna> you can also literally just measure the hard drive dimensions if you're unsure
[20:21] <Shirakawasuna> (with a tape measure)
[20:22] <sami98> Got it
[20:22] <sami98> How do I know if i have a HDD, SDD or a SATA?
[20:22] <Ben64> you need to ask this stuff in ##hardware
[20:23] <Ben64> register, join there, ask your hardware questions. this is not the place for them
[20:23] <sami98> Sorry
[20:23] <sami98> I'm trying
[20:23] <krambiorix> Hi, new files, created by www-data in the folder "files" don't get automatically rwx permissions, what am i doing wrong? https://pastebin.com/ns4ezsbi
[20:23] <sami98> I'm new to this ubuntu stuff.. sorry for bothering you guys
[20:24] <sami98> * Cannot join #hardware (Channel is invite only)
[20:24] <Ben64> ##hardware
[20:25] <sami98> oh
[20:25] <sami98> sorry
[20:26] <leftyfb> sami98: btw, mostly all modern hard drives are SATA, including SSD. A quick but not necessarily foolproof way to determine is depending on how big your drive is. If it came with your computer and it's over 500G and you didn't spend more for an SSD, it's more than likely not an SSD.
[20:26] <leftyfb> let me clarify that with mostly all modern consumer hard dries
[20:26] <leftyfb> drives*
[20:27] <sami98> I just check, This is what I have in my computer right now https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769
[20:28] <leftyfb> oh, then what is the question?
[20:29] <Ben64> question goes in ##hardware
[20:29] <sami98> Can I replace it with https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822179010 or https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 ....
[20:29] <krambiorix> anyone?
[20:29] <sami98> I am trying to join ##hardware
[20:29] <sami98> but its not doing anything
[20:29] <ikonia> sami98: you've been told this is not a hardware support channel
[20:29] <ikonia> please stop asking
[20:29] <sami98> sorry... leftyfb asked so i responded
[20:30] <leftyfb> sami98: while the answer is yes, you should be asking in a hardware channel since your question has nothing to do with ubuntu
[20:30] <sami98> I apologize
[20:30] <ikonia> sami98: if you're having problems with the hardware channel please /join #freenode and ask for IRC help
[20:30] <sami98> I understand
[20:30] <sami98> ok
[20:30] <ikonia> thanks
[20:33] <sami98> * ##hardware :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[20:33] <krambiorix> can anyone help?
[20:33] <Ben64> !register | sami98
[20:33] <ikonia> sami98: you need an account /join #freenode and ask for help
[20:38] <sami2233> I'm in!... Thank you so much guys.. If I have an ubuntu question I'll contact you
[21:01] <Sbur3> I am helping a friend who can’t seem to get the window dressing n his Firefox.  Any suggestions?
[21:03] <literallywho> hi, i've been having this issue, can someone please help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1003277/upgrading-from-17-04-to-17-10-do-release-upgrade-stuck-at-reading-cache?noredirect=1#comment1623027_1003277
[21:04] <ikonia> it's really quite annoying to have people post on askubuntu then expect IRC to answer it
[21:05] <literallywho> well it's really quite annoying to ask the question in irc, wait 7 hours, get no response, post it on askubuntu, and get no response too >_>
[21:05] <literallywho> at this point sharing the askubuntu link is easier than explaining it again
[21:05] <literallywho> unless you had something different in mind ikonia
[21:05] <vasilis> #hellas
[21:06] <ikonia> literallywho: my view - post it on askubuntu, let them respond
[21:07] <literallywho> ikonia: so you're suggesting i try no other possible channels of support because I posted it in askubuntu?
[21:07] <ikonia> literallywho: I'm suggesting you posted it to one support resource, let them deal with it, rather than firing it into another to get a resolution
[21:09] <kostkon> Sbur3, say again?
[21:09] <speck84> Hiya All. Can somebody help me with a joystick issue?
[21:10] <barnex> speck84: depends on the issue
[21:10] <speck84> Dear Barnex, i brought a PNX arcade joy for fun toplay old arcade games. I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[21:11] <Sbur3> kostkon before, he had the bar on top of his web browser, so he could reduce, close and all that stuff his browser window. but he doesn’t have it any more. and he’s even more a noob than I am
[21:11] <speck84> When my lenovo t430was on my palm it was worked fine. After i connected to my TV and its gone
[21:12] <speck84> lsusb detec the device but thats all
[21:12] <aurelien_> lsblk too
[21:12] <barnex> interesting, any dmesg messages from the time of connecting it to tv?
[21:13] <speck84> oh and any other laptop using well my controller
[21:14] <kostkon> Sbur3, what happens when you press F11
[21:15] <barnex> speck84: I understand 'that's all' as "jstest doesn't recognize it and there's no /dev/input/js* device?
[21:16] <speck84> jstest doesnt recognise
[21:16] <sirriffsalothp> I encrypted a usb but can only open it with the password on the computer I encrypted it on, I guess that's because I need the right encryption program. Can't recall which one I used though, how do I check this?
[21:16] <speck84> just on lsusb. Even the ledlights isnot turn on in the joystick
[21:17] <barnex> speck84: can you reproduce the joystick working and stopping to work after connecting a TV to your laptop? If so, could you grab dmesg log of that event?
[21:18] <Sbur3> kostkon the window just slides up a little
[21:19] <Sbur3> kostkon he also lost his sidebar to get into the menu. needs to right click to get into the menu
[21:19] <speck84> Barnex Idontknow how to do a dmesg log
[21:19] <kostkon> Sbur3, sidebar? which Ubuntu release and which DE?
[21:19] <barnex> speck84: can you get a terminal open?
[21:20] <barnex> speck84: just type "dmesg -w" in your terminal, connect the joystick (I assume it gets into working state) and then connect the tv again (I assume it gets into broken state again) and paste the terminal output to paste.ubuntu.com or somewhere
[21:21] <Sbur3> kostkon 17.10 ... what is DE?
[21:21] <kostkon> Sbur3, desktop environment
[21:21] <barnex> dekstop environment, light gnome etc
[21:21] <speck84> ok give me a sec
[21:22] <kostkon> Sbur3, would it be easy to post a screenshot
[21:22] <barnex> speck84: you'll notice the log changing, please paste only the relevant part (what appeared after you connected the joystick) if possible
[21:23] <barnex> speck84: and after you're done you can close dmesg with ctrl-c or just close the terminal window
[21:26] <Sbur3> kostkon I’m at the site, but am having some issues getting a pic to you. Going to my home and try to get a pic going to you.
[21:26] <Sbur3> brb
[21:27] <kostkon> Sbur3, take your time
[21:27] <speck84> here is the result https://pastebin.com/4nj5vrGR
[21:29] <rambotan> Just installed Ubuntu 17.04 on a laptop w/ 2 SSD drives. Ubuntu installed fine on sda, windows remaining on sdb
[21:29] <rambotan> now, however, when rebooting it goes to the grub prompt only. If I type "exit", it takes me to the correct Ubuntu boot menu
[21:30] <rambotan> How can I get past the grub prompt?
[21:30] <nacc> rambotan: well, you picked an EOL release to install
[21:30] <nacc> rambotan: so first, just go ahead and reisntall 17.10
[21:30] <nacc> rambotan: or, perhaps better, 16.04 (which is a LTS = Long Term Support release)
[21:31] <rambotan> Ah! sorry, meant 16.04
[21:31] <rambotan> 16.04.03
[21:31] <nacc> rambotan: oh ok
[21:31] <nacc> rambotan: i don't know the, it's weird no menu is displayed by default if it boot sfine
[21:32] <barnex> speck84: does "lsmod | grep hid_dr" report anything?
[21:32] <rambotan> yea, I've never seen this before, and I've done lots of Ubuntu and Mint installs
[21:33] <TJ-> rambotan: the GRUB prompt, is it "grub rescue>" or just "grub" ?
[21:33] <rambotan> just grub>
[21:33] <TJ-> rambotan: is it an EFI secure boot, EFI unsecure, or BIOS compatibility mode boot ?
[21:34] <rambotan> efi secure, but the ubuntu installer prompted for a password to disable secure boot
[21:35] <rambotan> maybe I should check the bios......?
[21:37] <TJ-> rambotan: that's fine... I'm thinking of reasons tht grub core would start but not read it's config. With the OS booted, can you check for the existence of both "ls -l /boot/grub/grub.cfg and /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg"  tell us if either or both exist (also compare their timestamps/size to determine if they're the same file in both places or alternates)
[21:37] <TJ-> rambotan: if you had the "grub rescue>" that would means grub counld not access it's 'root' (/boot/grub/) file-system, so it sounds like it can access that but is putting up an alternate menu (not the /boot/grub/grub.cfg)
[21:38] <rambotan> T3: I can check later, but don't currently have access to the laptop
[21:39] <TJ-> rambotan: OK, well that's the area to look at. It's possible there's a /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg being read first. You can manually check those files too, see if their content matches what you experience
[21:40] <TJ-> rambotan: it's possible /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg is almost empty, or doesn't specify a menu, which wuold explain you getting the grub command prompt
[21:43] <rambotan> so if /boot/efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg is empty-incorrect it would simply be a matter of editing it? or would update-grub cause problems?
[21:47] <TJ-> rambotan: I'd have to re-read the sourcecode to be sure; I think if that file is not found it should automatically use the /boot/grub/grub.cfg as normal.
[21:47] <sami2233> Guys
[21:47] <sami2233> need help here
[21:47] <rambotan> 'k. I'll look at the machine later and check back here if I find out anything. TNX for your help.
[21:47] <TJ-> rambotan: "update-grub" calls "grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg" but I'm unsure under what circumstances another file/a copy/ gets put in /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/
[21:48] <sami2233> I'm not a computer genius so please explain it in normal english... I want to install ubuntu iso on my usb.. which option should i choose https://imgur.com/a/G3eZv .. im formatting t he usb before i install the iso on it
[21:48] <rambotan> humm, I was thinking update-grub checked /etc/default/grub
[21:49] <TJ-> rambotan: it reads that for variables which control behaviour of shell scripts in /etc/grub.d/
[21:49] <sami2233> Anyone?
[21:51] <sami2233> I'm not a computer genius so please explain it in normal english... I want to install ubuntu iso on my usb.. which option should i choose https://imgur.com/a/G3eZv .. im formatting t he usb before i install the iso on it
[21:51] <akik> sami2233: you don't need to format the usb device
[21:51] <nacc> sami2233: you don't need to format first
[21:51] <akik> wow echo
[21:51] <nacc> akik: ;)
[21:51] <sami2233> so .. just install it on my normal empty usb?
[21:52] <dean-brown24> What's the story with certbot? The PPA is out of date and I can't get a cert. Tried using certbot-auto and it just doesn't work
[21:52] <nacc> dean-brown24: in which release?
[21:53] <dean-brown24> nacc: 16.04 (LTS)
[21:53] <dean-brown24> It's a webserver running nginx
[21:53] <nacc> dean-brown24: well, the ppa version is not suppported here
[21:53] <nacc> dean-brown24: there is a xeninal-proposed backport going on
[21:53] <akik> sami2233: use the application which you meant to write the iso file to the usb device
[21:54] <dean-brown24> nacc: that's something I guess. I'd understand why the PPA would not be supported. However both the LTS version and the PPA are way out of date and no longer function.
[21:54] <nacc> dean-brown24: what lts version do you mean?
[21:55] <dean-brown24> nacc: Not sure. whatever version is stable I guess.
[21:55] <nacc> dean-brown24: i need a package name
[21:56] <sami2233> I downloading the iso directly from https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop to my usb
[21:56] <sami2233> is that ok?
[21:56] <akik> sami2233: no
[21:56] <nacc> dean-brown24: LP: #1640978 is the bug
[21:56] <akik> sami2233: you need to use dd or startup disk creator
[21:57] <sami2233> my current hard drive is about to die
[21:57] <sami2233> I'll get a new one
[21:57] <sami2233> then use this usb to install ubuntu on it
[21:57] <sami2233> will this work>
[21:57] <sami2233> ?
[21:57] <TJ-> sami2233: the ISO file is a raw image of a device, not a file to be placed on the device. In other words the first byte of the ISO should be the first byte of the storage device
[21:58] <dean-brown24> nacc: Thanks. I'll check it out.
[21:58] <sami2233> I'm not a computer guy .. sorta hard to understand what you guys mean
[21:58] <speck84> Hiya can somebody help mewith a joystick issue?
[21:59] <akik> sami2233: you need to download the iso somewhere else first, then write it to your usb device with either dd or startup disk creator
[21:59] <TJ-> sami2233: it's a hybrid bootable image that can boot as a CD/DVD, as an emulated floppy disk or  hard disk device (which is what USB storage devices do)
[22:00] <akik> what happened to startup disk creator? is it updated any more?
[22:00] <gordonjcp> akik: not sure why that would be better than dding the image onto a drive
[22:01] <akik> gordonjcp: it's maybe easier for new users
[22:01] <gordonjcp> akik: I never really got startup disk creator to work
[22:01] <gordonjcp> akik: it's too complicated
[22:01] <sami2233> Aah.. got it .. so I install this iso file somewhere then go to startup disk creator and make a start up disk (to my usb)
[22:01] <sami2233> is this what you mean?
[22:01] <akik> sami2233: no, new instructions :)
[22:01] <sami2233> Ummm.. confused here
[22:01] <sami2233> lol
[22:02] <TJ-> sami2233: Do you currently have a booted Linux OS running?
[22:02] <akik> sami2233: it looks like startup disk creator is not current anymore
[22:03] <sami2233> Here is the deal: This is what happened and I am told to get a new hard drive and install new ubuntu on it .... Im not using my about to die hard drive
[22:03] <sami2233> sami@sami-computer:~$ sudo badblocks -v -s /dev/sda4 > badblocks.log
[22:03] <sami2233> Checking blocks 0 to 21073919
[22:03] <sami2233> Checking for bad blocks (read-only test):   0.00% done, 0:00 elapsed. (0/0/0 errdone
[22:03] <sami2233> Pass completed, 30 bad blocks found. (30/0/0 errors)
[22:04] <sami2233>  Im now using my about to die hard drive
[22:04] <sami2233> I've already made a general back up
[22:04] <TJ-> sami2233: Do you want to install Ubuntu to the USB device so you can use it rather than the current (failing) hard disk, until you get a replacement disk drive?
[22:04] <ecormier> I'd mention the dd method, but it's cli :)
[22:05] <sami2233> I will buy a new hard drive and want to install new ubuntu on it
[22:05] <TJ-> sami2233: OK, so all you want is the /installer/ on the USB, not an /installed/ OS or a /persistent/ Live session
[22:06] <sami2233> Not sure what I want lol.. I just want to buy the new hard drive and install ubuntu on it ..
[22:07] <sami2233> What should I do?
[22:07] <TJ-> sami2233: in which case you can download the ISO and write it to the USB device in 1 step from the command line, using "wget -O - <URL-of-iso-file> | sudo dd of=/dev/sde bs=100M status=progress" where you replace <URL-of-iso-file> and make /dev/sde the name of your USB device
[22:07] <Ghosthree3> is there some way to see the instructions that created a package? looking for something similar to PKGBUILD in archlinux. i want to build from source but i want to see how the maintainer did it for the official package
[22:07] <gordonjcp> sami2233: just what you said
[22:07] <gordonjcp> sami2233: buy a hard drive, buy a USB stick if you haven't already got one at least 2GB, and have at it
[22:08] <TJ-> Ghosthree3: see debian/rules
[22:08] <sami2233> I am now downloading the iso from here https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop to my 4GB usb
[22:08] <sami2233> Do I need to do the startup disk thing?
[22:08] <gordonjcp> sami2233: okay, but that will just save the file on the USB stick
[22:08] <gordonjcp> sami2233: you need to copy that file somewhere else, then do what TJ- said
[22:09] <Ghosthree3> TJ-: could you elaborate on that? do you mean read up on the debian wiki for the answer? not sure what you mean by the rules. im running 16.04 lts
[22:09] <sami2233> So install that file elesewhere and then run it through startup disk thing?
[22:09] <TJ-> sami2233: if the hard disk is unreliable but you want to write the ISO as a bootable image to the USB use the command I showed you - it won't save the ISO file on the hard-disk, it'll write it directly to the USB device
[22:11] <sami2233> ok
[22:11] <sami2233> thanks guys
[22:12] <nacc> Ghosthree3: get the source package, read the file debian/rules therein
[22:13] <Ghosthree3> ok
[22:13] <nacc> Ghosthree3: although the general real question is what are you buillding from source and why?
[22:14] <Ghosthree3> nacc: i want openvpn 2.4+, 16.04lts has 2.3
[22:15] <amazoniantoad> How do I store xen images in a different directory
[22:17] <leftyfb> amazoniantoad: that's a question for #xen
[22:17] <leftyfb> amazoniantoad: I'm sure it's as simple as looking through the beginning of the documentation
[22:19] <amazoniantoad> leftyfb, yeah I'm starting to think I just have to create a dir where I want and wget images and such
[22:19] <amazoniantoad> thanks anyway
[22:19] <TJ-> Ghosthree3: in each Debian source package is a directory ./debian/ wherein is a Makefile called rules. Read "./debian/rules" for the 'recipe' for building the package
[22:19] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: you can always mount a different file system (possibly backed by a different storage device) to /var/lib/xen/images - or add symlinks there.
[22:21] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn, you think i should purge the current install before doing this?
[22:21] <amazoniantoad> mounting the remote drive to that directory seems like the simplest solution
[22:21] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: not needed.
[22:21] <amazoniantoad> okay
[22:21] <Pinkamena_D> Hello, it seems that after 17.10 when I alt+tab from something back to a terminal, it will bring ALL terminals to the foreground, not just the last one used. Any option to change this?
[22:21] <Pinkamena_D> I assume it is the same for all multi-instance programs
[22:23] <Ghosthree3> TJ-: thats exactly what i was looking for, thanks
[22:24] <leftyfb> Pinkamena_D: terminator ;)
[22:26] <Pinkamena_D> package 'terminator: multiple GNOME terminals in one window' --- not quite what I meant, the opposite really, I just want to see the prior terminal when alt tabbing, not everything I have used today and yesterday.
[22:28] <TJ-> Ghosthree3: you might want to read "man dh" (debhelper) which provides many standard rules targets. Install 'debhelper' and 'devscripts' packages too
[22:28] <Ghosthree3> will do
[22:40] <jsubl2>  /quit
[22:46] <dean-brown24> jsubl2: My password is Hunter2
[22:59] <jhonatan> hola!
[23:08] <JoeLlama> I need a snap package of vlc player.  Does it just exist out there or do I need to create one using snapcraft to create it?
[23:09] <nacc> JoeLlama: `snap finnd vlc`
[23:09] <JoeLlama> ah yes I read about that thanks nacc
[23:09] <JoeLlama> I look
[23:11] <JoeLlama> hrm ok nacc I found it on a wifi box, how do I get it to the offline box?
[23:11] <JoeLlama> I suppose I could just read :(
[23:11] <JoeLlama> *sigh*
[23:11]  * JoeLlama reads
[23:12] <JoeLlama> oh wait this isn't it... this is mjpg-streamer
[23:12] <JoeLlama> nope that didn't work nacc
[23:15] <JoeLlama> o k I go to #videolan
[23:16] <brainwash> JoeLlama: https://askubuntu.com/a/944479
[23:16] <brainwash> took me 5 seconds to find it
[23:25] <JoeLlama> ok apparently I found the vlc snap package online....  apparently they hide these things.
[23:25] <JoeLlama> I hope it worx
[23:47] <jairosuse> hello
[23:54] <yosefrow> test
[23:57] <quotation> I have no idea what's wrong. This is getting pretty silly https://paste.ubuntu.com/26527254/