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calimero_82hi11:14
calimero_82i ve a problem with lxpanel, system panel doesn t work well11:14
leszekplease give more details what the issue is11:20
calimero_82when i start a software,like telegram redshift drobox etc, it doesnt appear on the bar on the right11:24
calimero_82to see if it works i must see process manager11:25
calimero_82i ve lubuntu 160411:26
calimero_82exechat, for example, works11:26
calimero_82before it works, when i ve done autoremove, after i ve uninstall pulseaudio, lxde was disappearenced, i ve reinstalled pulse audio, lubuntu-desktop and the softwares in the log of apt11:29
calimero_82do u understand?11:30
laceylaneyAnyone here ever tried compiling irc.c ??12:38
laceylaneyhttps://c9x.me/irc/12:38
rakviumHello! Lubuntu 16.04.3 magnet link goes with file named lubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-i386.iso. Is it a typo?13:11
rakviumYes, the direct download for Lubuntu Desktop 16.04 is 16.04.3 and the magnet link is 16.04.2 (however it's dn is still 16.04.3).13:41
lubot<tsimonq2> @rakvium, What site are you getting this from?13:48
rakvium@tsimonq2, https://lubuntu.me/downloads/14:39
lubot<tsimonq2> @rakvium, Hm, idk :)15:15
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lubot<VikingRedwolf> I'll check it out immediately17:52
lubot<VikingRedwolf> @rakvium, checked. and no?18:54
iGullyGuyWhen is lxqt coming?21:52
iGullyGuy18 or delayed again?21:52
redwolftsimonq2 knows21:52
* redwolf runs21:52
tsimonq2iGullyGuy: Why do you ask?21:53
redwolfno, 18.04 will have a LXQt spin21:53
iGullyGuytsimonq2: I've been waiting since 16.04 for it :)21:56
iGullyGuyredwolf: spin?21:56
redwolfI mean, an ISO21:57
iGullyGuySo, it's releasing with 18? That's what you're saying??21:58
tsimonq2Maybe yes, maybe no.21:58
tsimonq2:P21:58
iGullyGuy😂21:58
Thedarkb-X40I tried LXqt and it left me with 3k of RAM free.21:58
Thedarkb-X40WITH NOTHING ELSE OPEN21:58
tsimonq2Thedarkb-X40: we did fix a lot of memory leaks recently21:59
tsimonq2Either way, LXDE won't be around for much longer.21:59
redwolfwe're working hard for it, so I hope so21:59
Thedarkb-X40It was like that immediately after login.21:59
Thedarkb-X40What's happening to LXDE?21:59
Thedarkb-X40Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz (600MHz) • Memory: Physical: 222.1 MiB Total (63.7 MiB Free) Swap: 945.3 MiB Total (778.3 MiB Free) • Storage: 6.9 GB / 30.0 GB (23.2 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device @ Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Contr21:59
Thedarkb-X40oller • Uptime: 37m 47s21:59
Thedarkb-X40for reference21:59
tsimonq2Thedarkb-X40: How much RAM do you have, 256 MB? XD21:59
Thedarkb-X40Yeah, 256mb21:59
tsimonq2Thedarkb-X40: LXDE is GTK 2. It'll be deprecated eventually.21:59
Thedarkb-X40Video card takes some.21:59
Thedarkb-X40I thought it was just a panel running on top of openbox.22:00
Thedarkb-X40This is the laptop I take with me places where I wouldn't normally bring a laptop for fear of it getting broken.22:01
tsimonq2Yeah, idk22:02
tsimonq2LXQt has more memory requirements22:02
tsimonq2Very very slightly22:02
Thedarkb-X40It was using 1.7 times as much as LXDE on my machine.22:03
tsimonq2But we can't support old old software *forever*22:03
tsimonq2Well, YMMV22:03
tsimonq21.7 times more for you is just a few MB :)22:03
Thedarkb-X40I don't even use LXDE.22:03
Thedarkb-X40I use openbox+fbpanel22:03
tsimonq2ok22:03
Thedarkb-X40Which gives me the same functionality with lower RAM usage.22:03
tsimonq2For an extremely small system like that, I can see it22:04
Thedarkb-X40I browse with Midori22:04
Thedarkb-X40https://pasteboard.co/H6ryjUz.png22:05
redwolfmidori has been replaced for epiphany-browser. it's no longer maintained22:05
Thedarkb-X40Looks good, don#'t you think?22:05
Thedarkb-X40Yes, but I can't run epiphany22:05
redwolfanyways midori runs very well22:06
redwolfI liked that browser22:06
Thedarkb-X40It's a tiny bit unstable.22:06
Thedarkb-X40I'd say I get about a crash a week.22:06
Thedarkb-X40Then again, there were times when firefox was worse.22:06
redwolfit's way lighter and faster now :)22:07
Thedarkb-X40When I had Windows 98 and I was using the extended service release.22:07
Thedarkb-X40I tried the new firefox on this rig but it acted like it wanted to die.22:07
redwolflong time ago :)22:08
Thedarkb-X40I'm going to try out epiphany.22:08
Thedarkb-X40again22:08
Thedarkb-X40Might try doing some tweaking22:08
geniiFalkon is interesting. Might be good on LXQt22:08
Thedarkb-X40Openbox isn't going anywhere, right?22:09
redwolfThedarkb-X40, you can use "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3"22:09
redwolfOpenbox is also dead-software, like most Box-ish WMs22:09
Thedarkb-X40Really.22:09
Thedarkb-X40That sucks.22:09
redwolfOpenBox, IceWM, Fluxbox...22:10
* genii covers Unit193's ears so he doesn't have to hear the Openbox disses22:10
tsimonq2genii: That's what Lubuntu Next uses, Falkon.22:10
Thedarkb-X40I used to use IceWM, got sick of messing with config files all the time.22:10
Thedarkb-X40I liked the themes22:10
redwolfIceWM was awesome, then I discovered xfwm and fell in love :)22:10
redwolfI mean the good old xfce, the one like CDE22:11
Thedarkb-X40Why are boxish WMs dying out?22:11
redwolfbut I'm a dinosaur who loves ancient environments22:11
Thedarkb-X40Are there any still in development?22:11
redwolfbox-ish wms are not compatible with Wayland, and they don't support well compositing22:11
redwolfno, they stopped development of OpenBox22:11
Thedarkb-X40What am I going to use then?22:12
Thedarkb-X40On this machine?22:12
Thedarkb-X40Can I just stay on X11?22:12
redwolfLXQt will run there, if you don't activate any effec t22:12
geniitsimonq2: Ah, nice.22:12
Thedarkb-X40When will LXDE be removed?22:12
Thedarkb-X40Because when the LTS is out, I'm jumping on it.22:12
Unit193Thedarkb-X40: http://git.openbox.org/?p=mikachu/openbox.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/work22:12
Thedarkb-X40This machine'll probably be dead by the next LTS22:13
redwolfnot really removed. but his developer is keeping it a bit "frozen" from now on22:13
redwolfO.O mikachu!22:13
Thedarkb-X40How long do thinkpads normally live for......22:13
Thedarkb-X40But seriously, will there be any alternatives to boxy WMs for luddites like me?22:14
redwolfold wms won't be removed from the Ubuntu repositories22:14
Thedarkb-X40Is Wayland backwards compatible with X11?22:14
redwolfyou can always use a NET installer and build a basic XOrg system22:14
Thedarkb-X40That's reassuring.22:14
redwolfI think even my beloved OLWM is still there XD22:15
Thedarkb-X40I actually used IceWM with Lubuntu up until 3 months ago.22:15
Thedarkb-X40The menu system is the only real issue with IceWM.22:16
Thedarkb-X40It doesn't build them automatically.22:16
Thedarkb-X40Remember FVWM95?22:16
redwolflook ;) http://www.os-museum.com/linux/suse53/suse53wm/suse53wm.htm22:17
Thedarkb-X40I honestly don't like FVWM, but I did like FVWM9522:18
redwolfI used CDE , OLWM and, a lot, WindowMaker22:18
redwolfI still think the concept of "squared docks" is superior. so simple and effective22:18
redwolfbut that's a matter of taste also22:19
Thedarkb-X40I like LXDE as it is now.22:19
Thedarkb-X40I tried to install it on an android phone.22:19
redwolfwell, LXQt isn't very different22:19
redwolfO.O!22:19
Thedarkb-X40That's also reassuirng.22:19
Thedarkb-X40reassuring22:19
Thedarkb-X40I'm typing at an odd angle.22:19
Thedarkb-X40I still maintain that the Windows 95 interface is only beaten by LXDE.22:31
redwolfyes, that desktop paradigm will be alive for a while22:34
redwolfeven now, Budgie and Gnome have "panelised" docks22:34
Thedarkb-X40Yeah, I just retried epiphany, I can't get it to run.22:40
Thedarkb-X40Well, it runs but it won't load a page.22:41
siloxidI'm using a third-party window manager which is loaded from a .xsession file.  when I dist-upgrade it ignores this file and drops me into the default WM.  how do I make it keep using the third-party WM?22:48
ThedarkbAt the login prompt, there's a drop down to select your window manager.22:50
wxlsiloxid: my suggestion is to set it with lxsession's default apps. more better: set it to x-window-manager and then use update-alternatives to set to your preferred window manager22:50
siloxidok, thanks22:51

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