[11:14] hi [11:14] i ve a problem with lxpanel, system panel doesn t work well [11:20] please give more details what the issue is [11:24] when i start a software,like telegram redshift drobox etc, it doesnt appear on the bar on the right [11:25] to see if it works i must see process manager [11:26] i ve lubuntu 1604 [11:26] exechat, for example, works [11:29] before it works, when i ve done autoremove, after i ve uninstall pulseaudio, lxde was disappearenced, i ve reinstalled pulse audio, lubuntu-desktop and the softwares in the log of apt [11:30] do u understand? [12:38] Anyone here ever tried compiling irc.c ?? [12:38] https://c9x.me/irc/ [13:11] Hello! Lubuntu 16.04.3 magnet link goes with file named lubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-i386.iso. Is it a typo? [13:41] Yes, the direct download for Lubuntu Desktop 16.04 is 16.04.3 and the magnet link is 16.04.2 (however it's dn is still 16.04.3). [13:48] @rakvium, What site are you getting this from? [14:39] @tsimonq2, https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ [15:15] @rakvium, Hm, idk :) === mpmc_znc is now known as mpmc [17:52] I'll check it out immediately [18:54] @rakvium, checked. and no? [21:52] When is lxqt coming? [21:52] 18 or delayed again? [21:52] tsimonq2 knows [21:52] * redwolf runs [21:53] iGullyGuy: Why do you ask? [21:53] no, 18.04 will have a LXQt spin [21:56] tsimonq2: I've been waiting since 16.04 for it :) [21:56] redwolf: spin? [21:57] I mean, an ISO [21:58] So, it's releasing with 18? That's what you're saying?? [21:58] Maybe yes, maybe no. [21:58] :P [21:58] 😂 [21:58] I tried LXqt and it left me with 3k of RAM free. [21:58] WITH NOTHING ELSE OPEN [21:59] Thedarkb-X40: we did fix a lot of memory leaks recently [21:59] Either way, LXDE won't be around for much longer. [21:59] we're working hard for it, so I hope so [21:59] It was like that immediately after login. [21:59] What's happening to LXDE? [21:59] Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz (600MHz) • Memory: Physical: 222.1 MiB Total (63.7 MiB Free) Swap: 945.3 MiB Total (778.3 MiB Free) • Storage: 6.9 GB / 30.0 GB (23.2 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device @ Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Contr [21:59] oller • Uptime: 37m 47s [21:59] for reference [21:59] Thedarkb-X40: How much RAM do you have, 256 MB? XD [21:59] Yeah, 256mb [21:59] Thedarkb-X40: LXDE is GTK 2. It'll be deprecated eventually. [21:59] Video card takes some. [22:00] I thought it was just a panel running on top of openbox. [22:01] This is the laptop I take with me places where I wouldn't normally bring a laptop for fear of it getting broken. [22:02] Yeah, idk [22:02] LXQt has more memory requirements [22:02] Very very slightly [22:03] It was using 1.7 times as much as LXDE on my machine. [22:03] But we can't support old old software *forever* [22:03] Well, YMMV [22:03] 1.7 times more for you is just a few MB :) [22:03] I don't even use LXDE. [22:03] I use openbox+fbpanel [22:03] ok [22:03] Which gives me the same functionality with lower RAM usage. [22:04] For an extremely small system like that, I can see it [22:04] I browse with Midori [22:05] https://pasteboard.co/H6ryjUz.png [22:05] midori has been replaced for epiphany-browser. it's no longer maintained [22:05] Looks good, don#'t you think? [22:05] Yes, but I can't run epiphany [22:06] anyways midori runs very well [22:06] I liked that browser [22:06] It's a tiny bit unstable. [22:06] I'd say I get about a crash a week. [22:06] Then again, there were times when firefox was worse. [22:07] it's way lighter and faster now :) [22:07] When I had Windows 98 and I was using the extended service release. [22:07] I tried the new firefox on this rig but it acted like it wanted to die. [22:08] long time ago :) [22:08] I'm going to try out epiphany. [22:08] again [22:08] Might try doing some tweaking [22:08] Falkon is interesting. Might be good on LXQt [22:09] Openbox isn't going anywhere, right? [22:09] Thedarkb-X40, you can use "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3" [22:09] Openbox is also dead-software, like most Box-ish WMs [22:09] Really. [22:09] That sucks. [22:10] OpenBox, IceWM, Fluxbox... [22:10] * genii covers Unit193's ears so he doesn't have to hear the Openbox disses [22:10] genii: That's what Lubuntu Next uses, Falkon. [22:10] I used to use IceWM, got sick of messing with config files all the time. [22:10] I liked the themes [22:10] IceWM was awesome, then I discovered xfwm and fell in love :) [22:11] I mean the good old xfce, the one like CDE [22:11] Why are boxish WMs dying out? [22:11] but I'm a dinosaur who loves ancient environments [22:11] Are there any still in development? [22:11] box-ish wms are not compatible with Wayland, and they don't support well compositing [22:11] no, they stopped development of OpenBox [22:12] What am I going to use then? [22:12] On this machine? [22:12] Can I just stay on X11? [22:12] LXQt will run there, if you don't activate any effec t [22:12] tsimonq2: Ah, nice. [22:12] When will LXDE be removed? [22:12] Because when the LTS is out, I'm jumping on it. [22:12] Thedarkb-X40: http://git.openbox.org/?p=mikachu/openbox.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/work [22:13] This machine'll probably be dead by the next LTS [22:13] not really removed. but his developer is keeping it a bit "frozen" from now on [22:13] O.O mikachu! [22:13] How long do thinkpads normally live for...... [22:14] But seriously, will there be any alternatives to boxy WMs for luddites like me? [22:14] old wms won't be removed from the Ubuntu repositories [22:14] Is Wayland backwards compatible with X11? [22:14] you can always use a NET installer and build a basic XOrg system [22:14] That's reassuring. [22:15] I think even my beloved OLWM is still there XD [22:15] I actually used IceWM with Lubuntu up until 3 months ago. [22:16] The menu system is the only real issue with IceWM. [22:16] It doesn't build them automatically. [22:16] Remember FVWM95? [22:17] look ;) http://www.os-museum.com/linux/suse53/suse53wm/suse53wm.htm [22:18] I honestly don't like FVWM, but I did like FVWM95 [22:18] I used CDE , OLWM and, a lot, WindowMaker [22:18] I still think the concept of "squared docks" is superior. so simple and effective [22:19] but that's a matter of taste also [22:19] I like LXDE as it is now. [22:19] I tried to install it on an android phone. [22:19] well, LXQt isn't very different [22:19] O.O! [22:19] That's also reassuirng. [22:19] reassuring [22:19] I'm typing at an odd angle. [22:31] I still maintain that the Windows 95 interface is only beaten by LXDE. [22:34] yes, that desktop paradigm will be alive for a while [22:34] even now, Budgie and Gnome have "panelised" docks [22:40] Yeah, I just retried epiphany, I can't get it to run. [22:41] Well, it runs but it won't load a page. [22:48] I'm using a third-party window manager which is loaded from a .xsession file. when I dist-upgrade it ignores this file and drops me into the default WM. how do I make it keep using the third-party WM? [22:50] At the login prompt, there's a drop down to select your window manager. [22:50] siloxid: my suggestion is to set it with lxsession's default apps. more better: set it to x-window-manager and then use update-alternatives to set to your preferred window manager [22:51] ok, thanks