[11:14] <calimero_82> hi
[11:14] <calimero_82> i ve a problem with lxpanel, system panel doesn t work well
[11:20] <leszek> please give more details what the issue is
[11:24] <calimero_82> when i start a software,like telegram redshift drobox etc, it doesnt appear on the bar on the right
[11:25] <calimero_82> to see if it works i must see process manager
[11:26] <calimero_82> i ve lubuntu 1604
[11:26] <calimero_82> exechat, for example, works
[11:29] <calimero_82> before it works, when i ve done autoremove, after i ve uninstall pulseaudio, lxde was disappearenced, i ve reinstalled pulse audio, lubuntu-desktop and the softwares in the log of apt
[11:30] <calimero_82> do u understand?
[12:38] <laceylaney> Anyone here ever tried compiling irc.c ??
[12:38] <laceylaney> https://c9x.me/irc/
[13:11] <rakvium> Hello! Lubuntu 16.04.3 magnet link goes with file named lubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-i386.iso. Is it a typo?
[13:41] <rakvium> Yes, the direct download for Lubuntu Desktop 16.04 is 16.04.3 and the magnet link is 16.04.2 (however it's dn is still 16.04.3).
 @rakvium, What site are you getting this from?
[14:39] <rakvium> @tsimonq2, https://lubuntu.me/downloads/
 @rakvium, Hm, idk :)
 I'll check it out immediately
 @rakvium, checked. and no?
[21:52] <iGullyGuy> When is lxqt coming?
[21:52] <iGullyGuy> 18 or delayed again?
[21:52] <redwolf> tsimonq2 knows
[21:52]  * redwolf runs
[21:53] <tsimonq2> iGullyGuy: Why do you ask?
[21:53] <redwolf> no, 18.04 will have a LXQt spin
[21:56] <iGullyGuy> tsimonq2: I've been waiting since 16.04 for it :)
[21:56] <iGullyGuy> redwolf: spin?
[21:57] <redwolf> I mean, an ISO
[21:58] <iGullyGuy> So, it's releasing with 18? That's what you're saying??
[21:58] <tsimonq2> Maybe yes, maybe no.
[21:58] <tsimonq2> :P
[21:58] <iGullyGuy> 😂
[21:58] <Thedarkb-X40> I tried LXqt and it left me with 3k of RAM free.
[21:58] <Thedarkb-X40> WITH NOTHING ELSE OPEN
[21:59] <tsimonq2> Thedarkb-X40: we did fix a lot of memory leaks recently
[21:59] <tsimonq2> Either way, LXDE won't be around for much longer.
[21:59] <redwolf> we're working hard for it, so I hope so
[21:59] <Thedarkb-X40> It was like that immediately after login.
[21:59] <Thedarkb-X40> What's happening to LXDE?
[21:59] <Thedarkb-X40> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz (600MHz) • Memory: Physical: 222.1 MiB Total (63.7 MiB Free) Swap: 945.3 MiB Total (778.3 MiB Free) • Storage: 6.9 GB / 30.0 GB (23.2 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device @ Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Contr
[21:59] <Thedarkb-X40> oller • Uptime: 37m 47s
[21:59] <Thedarkb-X40> for reference
[21:59] <tsimonq2> Thedarkb-X40: How much RAM do you have, 256 MB? XD
[21:59] <Thedarkb-X40> Yeah, 256mb
[21:59] <tsimonq2> Thedarkb-X40: LXDE is GTK 2. It'll be deprecated eventually.
[21:59] <Thedarkb-X40> Video card takes some.
[22:00] <Thedarkb-X40> I thought it was just a panel running on top of openbox.
[22:01] <Thedarkb-X40> This is the laptop I take with me places where I wouldn't normally bring a laptop for fear of it getting broken.
[22:02] <tsimonq2> Yeah, idk
[22:02] <tsimonq2> LXQt has more memory requirements
[22:02] <tsimonq2> Very very slightly
[22:03] <Thedarkb-X40> It was using 1.7 times as much as LXDE on my machine.
[22:03] <tsimonq2> But we can't support old old software *forever*
[22:03] <tsimonq2> Well, YMMV
[22:03] <tsimonq2> 1.7 times more for you is just a few MB :)
[22:03] <Thedarkb-X40> I don't even use LXDE.
[22:03] <Thedarkb-X40> I use openbox+fbpanel
[22:03] <tsimonq2> ok
[22:03] <Thedarkb-X40> Which gives me the same functionality with lower RAM usage.
[22:04] <tsimonq2> For an extremely small system like that, I can see it
[22:04] <Thedarkb-X40> I browse with Midori
[22:05] <Thedarkb-X40> https://pasteboard.co/H6ryjUz.png
[22:05] <redwolf> midori has been replaced for epiphany-browser. it's no longer maintained
[22:05] <Thedarkb-X40> Looks good, don#'t you think?
[22:05] <Thedarkb-X40> Yes, but I can't run epiphany
[22:06] <redwolf> anyways midori runs very well
[22:06] <redwolf> I liked that browser
[22:06] <Thedarkb-X40> It's a tiny bit unstable.
[22:06] <Thedarkb-X40> I'd say I get about a crash a week.
[22:06] <Thedarkb-X40> Then again, there were times when firefox was worse.
[22:07] <redwolf> it's way lighter and faster now :)
[22:07] <Thedarkb-X40> When I had Windows 98 and I was using the extended service release.
[22:07] <Thedarkb-X40> I tried the new firefox on this rig but it acted like it wanted to die.
[22:08] <redwolf> long time ago :)
[22:08] <Thedarkb-X40> I'm going to try out epiphany.
[22:08] <Thedarkb-X40> again
[22:08] <Thedarkb-X40> Might try doing some tweaking
[22:08] <genii> Falkon is interesting. Might be good on LXQt
[22:09] <Thedarkb-X40> Openbox isn't going anywhere, right?
[22:09] <redwolf> Thedarkb-X40, you can use "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3"
[22:09] <redwolf> Openbox is also dead-software, like most Box-ish WMs
[22:09] <Thedarkb-X40> Really.
[22:09] <Thedarkb-X40> That sucks.
[22:10] <redwolf> OpenBox, IceWM, Fluxbox...
[22:10]  * genii covers Unit193's ears so he doesn't have to hear the Openbox disses
[22:10] <tsimonq2> genii: That's what Lubuntu Next uses, Falkon.
[22:10] <Thedarkb-X40> I used to use IceWM, got sick of messing with config files all the time.
[22:10] <Thedarkb-X40> I liked the themes
[22:10] <redwolf> IceWM was awesome, then I discovered xfwm and fell in love :)
[22:11] <redwolf> I mean the good old xfce, the one like CDE
[22:11] <Thedarkb-X40> Why are boxish WMs dying out?
[22:11] <redwolf> but I'm a dinosaur who loves ancient environments
[22:11] <Thedarkb-X40> Are there any still in development?
[22:11] <redwolf> box-ish wms are not compatible with Wayland, and they don't support well compositing
[22:11] <redwolf> no, they stopped development of OpenBox
[22:12] <Thedarkb-X40> What am I going to use then?
[22:12] <Thedarkb-X40> On this machine?
[22:12] <Thedarkb-X40> Can I just stay on X11?
[22:12] <redwolf> LXQt will run there, if you don't activate any effec t
[22:12] <genii> tsimonq2: Ah, nice.
[22:12] <Thedarkb-X40> When will LXDE be removed?
[22:12] <Thedarkb-X40> Because when the LTS is out, I'm jumping on it.
[22:12] <Unit193> Thedarkb-X40: http://git.openbox.org/?p=mikachu/openbox.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/work
[22:13] <Thedarkb-X40> This machine'll probably be dead by the next LTS
[22:13] <redwolf> not really removed. but his developer is keeping it a bit "frozen" from now on
[22:13] <redwolf> O.O mikachu!
[22:13] <Thedarkb-X40> How long do thinkpads normally live for......
[22:14] <Thedarkb-X40> But seriously, will there be any alternatives to boxy WMs for luddites like me?
[22:14] <redwolf> old wms won't be removed from the Ubuntu repositories
[22:14] <Thedarkb-X40> Is Wayland backwards compatible with X11?
[22:14] <redwolf> you can always use a NET installer and build a basic XOrg system
[22:14] <Thedarkb-X40> That's reassuring.
[22:15] <redwolf> I think even my beloved OLWM is still there XD
[22:15] <Thedarkb-X40> I actually used IceWM with Lubuntu up until 3 months ago.
[22:16] <Thedarkb-X40> The menu system is the only real issue with IceWM.
[22:16] <Thedarkb-X40> It doesn't build them automatically.
[22:16] <Thedarkb-X40> Remember FVWM95?
[22:17] <redwolf> look ;) http://www.os-museum.com/linux/suse53/suse53wm/suse53wm.htm
[22:18] <Thedarkb-X40> I honestly don't like FVWM, but I did like FVWM95
[22:18] <redwolf> I used CDE , OLWM and, a lot, WindowMaker
[22:18] <redwolf> I still think the concept of "squared docks" is superior. so simple and effective
[22:19] <redwolf> but that's a matter of taste also
[22:19] <Thedarkb-X40> I like LXDE as it is now.
[22:19] <Thedarkb-X40> I tried to install it on an android phone.
[22:19] <redwolf> well, LXQt isn't very different
[22:19] <redwolf> O.O!
[22:19] <Thedarkb-X40> That's also reassuirng.
[22:19] <Thedarkb-X40> reassuring
[22:19] <Thedarkb-X40> I'm typing at an odd angle.
[22:31] <Thedarkb-X40> I still maintain that the Windows 95 interface is only beaten by LXDE.
[22:34] <redwolf> yes, that desktop paradigm will be alive for a while
[22:34] <redwolf> even now, Budgie and Gnome have "panelised" docks
[22:40] <Thedarkb-X40> Yeah, I just retried epiphany, I can't get it to run.
[22:41] <Thedarkb-X40> Well, it runs but it won't load a page.
[22:48] <siloxid> I'm using a third-party window manager which is loaded from a .xsession file.  when I dist-upgrade it ignores this file and drops me into the default WM.  how do I make it keep using the third-party WM?
[22:50] <Thedarkb> At the login prompt, there's a drop down to select your window manager.
[22:50] <wxl> siloxid: my suggestion is to set it with lxsession's default apps. more better: set it to x-window-manager and then use update-alternatives to set to your preferred window manager
[22:51] <siloxid> ok, thanks