 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/LfNQhHb6/file_4066
 Sorry for copy-paste from up-thread.  Fumble-fingers.
 BT_RTFCOMM what this flag does?
 Do we have any guides to flash from ubuntu touch back to android?
 @Corne, Not really but should be able to do this quite easily
 @dohbee, Sorry, I have mistaken greasy with greedy 😕😣
[08:27] <tgBot1> YvesLucien was added by: YvesLucien
 @. ., In my opinion, that's correct. It could be a nice thing if someone (a for profit organization detached by UBports) would try to install Ubuntu Touch on the supported phones for a reasonable fee and then give some of the fees back to UBports that can use them to improve the development and build more ports of the OS for other phones. if the fee is reasonable this would benefit the people who use it, the project, and also the other GNU/Linux
[08:37] <tgBot1> distro for phone through the halium project. Obviously the people would still be able to install Ubuntu themselves for free if they have the skills to do that.
 @dohbee, No, he is correct on this. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
 @. ., Just, for sure he didn't use the "open source" formula to talk about it
 Guys, Is it possible for the installation to last 60 minutes?
 @Dejavu_Dmitry, Which step is it on?
 my installer stucked on "Downloading file 1 of 2"
 🤔 Downloading shouldn't take long normally
 If your internet connection is very slow or failed during the process
 If the connection failed, then maybe the installer is not able to recover
 @garrogarri, okay, can i restart installer at this point?
 Yes, I think it should be safe
 I'll try.. right now.
 Worked, like a charm! … The problem was in my proxy...
 Okay, but now on the screen appeared Ubports Recovery menu ... And on PC installer downloads files (12) … Is any reaction need?
 No
 Just wait
 @garrogarri, Stuck on downloading 1 file of 12..... I think that there is no any handling of file downloading issues or network conection problems in Installer
 yes, I think so too
 @Corne, Just use magic device tool?
 @garrogarri, Also the download is so slow ... Even through my 100Mbps internet channel
 @garrogarri, There is awesome thing implemented in SDI (Snappy Driver Installer, an application for installing/updating drivers on PCs running Microsoft Windows using driverpacks or included folders with drivers. It can be used to install drivers on newly assembled PCs at places where Internet isn't available. Users can also use the software to keep their drivers up to date.) … Downloading files by p2p...bittorrent... … SDI is GPL-project
[11:22] <tgBot1> real for UBports Installer?
 @Dejavu_Dmitry, if I'm not wrong, Magic Device Tool download the files to install in their own folder and if the files are already presents, use it
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 @garrogarri, As soon as its a company its all about liability, consumer rights and warranty. I think it is possible but would require a supply of new phones. So you can order a batch of 100 and get a discount. Then it could work. But many of the supported phones are from used market already
 Is it possible to offer the installation as a service? Is there also some liability like a warranty then?
[13:58] <tgBot1> <. .> Hello to everyone
 hello! 😊
[14:00] <tgBot1> <. .> This article has vindicated my stand
[14:00] <tgBot1> <. .> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
[14:00] <tgBot1> <. .> Now I beleive this discussion can move forward
 @. ., In @UBports_ot perhaps?
[14:02] <tgBot1> <. .> The first point in selling/distributing the O's for a fee is what additional value we can add to the software/os for which people can pay.For an example I can say Google added play store maps etc
 Google surely won't do that
 @. ., I would not do that. The additional value for people who pay will be that they don't need any skill to install some software that will provide long term support
 Google gets revenue by selling people's data, not by selling the software
[14:07] <tgBot1> <. .> @garrogarri, Exactly
[14:07] <tgBot1> <. .> @garrogarri, BTW thanks for qouting that article
 Maybe ubports could license some maps from non google map providers for download as offline maps to ubports - i would be interested..
[14:09] <tgBot1> <. .> @garrogarri, But we can earn by providing a delivery channel & simplyfying installation procedure & perhaps by adding default search engine,maps etc of our choice
 @Andrissk, You can download OSM tiles
[14:10] <tgBot1> Space_Lenin was added by: Space_Lenin
 @. ., well tbf you mentioned selling "open source software". Where as that talks about selling "free software". Have a read of https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html
 @garrogarri, Do you mean the OSMScout app? Thanks for the tip..
[14:14] <tgBot1> <. .> @DanChapman, I didn't mention selling I mentioned monetizing which may be different from selling the open source software.It can be adding &  monetizing services etc linked to this os
 oh no not again
 yup
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/rwG52Pzy/file_4078.mp4
 Good affternoon. Since two hours I have the pprooblem, that I am not asked for the PIN of my second SIM of my FP2 (after a reboot). In the drop-down I can see it is locked. Tapping the unlock-button doooes nothing. Manual rebooting doesn't help, too. Can someone help, please?
 fozzy bear facepalm is the bestest facepalm
 .
 Thanks to the built-in reboot-automat of the FP2 my phone repaired itself. Three reboots later it let me unlock the second SIM again.
 @Daniel, 😂 gotta love that auto reboot function. it clears RAM quickly and keeps you from spending too much time on your phone. it's customer oriented too by perfectly matching the average teenager's attention span.
 :)
 Well, from time to time I find it a little bit annoying. Just a little bit. It is somehow apple-ish in that way that it knows what you want better than you know it yourself. But in general, it is a nice function for smartphone addicts.
 No! you dont want that webapp, no, you don't want to scroll, no don't play that game. close that app? YES CLOSE ALL TEH APPS!
 poor FP2, it just wants you to leave it alone.
 The f-phone
 @garrogarri, It has become quite difficult, actually. The OSM people were paying huge server costs for third party apps using their tiles, so they shut that option down. I'm using OpenTopoMap for downloading, it's different but still useful for cities too (and great for topography, of course)
 @Gorsh2, There should be a P2P way to do this
 There's also Maperitive: a program to render your own tiles using the raw data download.
 @garrogarri, That's a great idea.
 @Gorsh2, This looks nice
 @Gorsh2, It would be fine to know how create maps for OSMScout from OpenStreetMap.
 http://maperitive.net/
 @Gorsh2, I didn't know it. Thanks.
 @Cesar_Herrera, Me neither
 What I didn't like was there's no preset way of showing it exactly the same as OSM
 The map I mean.
 You have this rulesets that say what gets rendered, and none was exactly like it.
 That's why I'm using OTM tiles now (they still let you direct download). I'm on a hiking vacation now and it's been awesome, the trails are drawn perfectly.
 The app GSMScout is very good and the maps very compact. But it should be more user friendly.
 No idea, uNav for me is everything I need.
 Except maybe GPX recording and rendering; that would make it perfect.
 uNav is very good when you have data.
 In some fields it is difficult.
 No, you can use it offline, everything I said here was for that.
 I've been using it with offline tiles for a while
 In this case I preffer OSMScout.
 Oh I didn't know it worked onlin
 e
 As a navigator. Cool.
 It isn't my scenario (I mostly need directions in cities; and a plain map where there's no signal) but cool.
 @Gorsh2, The OSMScout is only offline.
 Oh. I've just downloaded it and remembered. I used to use it before uNav got the offline maps thing.
 @Gorsh2, Also bike map and navigation is a missing feature
 @garrogarri, Indeed.
 If you only want record the track there were Activity Tracker.
 Yeah, I know... But it's not on the OpenStore now.
 :(
 I think it's a pretty simple function to write; I may start asking Costales for it
 (Or maybe even write a crude script myself)
 OK
 @Gorsh2, yeah, it's perfect for it 👌🏻
 @Gorsh2, I'm trying to fork an old gpx tracking app in my free time, I'll let you know when I publish it...
 (Photo, 512x374) https://irc.ubports.com/CoEg9R5N/file_4080.jpg
 Next UBPorts platform with convergence confirmed??
 @Michele, Oh yes. If you need help (not a programmer here, just an amateur) just ask.
 That, and a good mpd client, is all I need for my UBthingy.
 @Gorsh2, ok, now I'm just trying to make the old app working 😂
 Was it Activity Tracker?
 Or another one?
 @Gorsh2, yaeh, that one
 Cool. Like I said, anything this amateur non-programmer can do to help, just ask.
 sure!
 https://github.com/cwayne18/ActivityTracker
 @samzn, device?🤠😥
 Nintendo Switch
 @Cesar_Herrera, This is... Chris Wayne (out there)?
 must recruit!
 @samzn, lol
[17:38] <tgBot1> resowy95 was added by: resowy95
 @samzn, Is it an ASUS Transformer TF 101?
 Hi @Space_Lenin and @resowy95! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 @MUR55MM, I'm trying to build It...
 @Mattia990, Okey thanks
 I have a problem with moving a file that i have downloaded with the downloadmanager (qml in my app) and then moving it to the downloads folder (with cpp)  (https://github.com/neochapay/webbrowser-app/blob/620b91907224322526967d5e71a28c51bab974d9/src/app/webbrowser/downloads-model.cpp#L287) similar code ... i get a Failed moving file ... and the result of that operation is just false ... any ideas i'v set thsi permissions to appamor  … ```+
[20:25] <tgBot1> "content_exchange", … +        "content_exchange_source", … +    "write_path": [ … +    ],```
 is `apparmor` logging soimething somewhere ?
 @delijati, Yes in dmesg
[20:40] <tgBot1> Trapkingh was added by: Trapkingh
 Reagan: … I recently downloaded ubuntu-17.10.1-server-amd64.iso and extracted the iso file on my usb device but i cant seem to locate the setup.exe file … Any Clues
 @clannad, `apparmor="DENIED" operation="rename_dest"`
 thanks
 hmm so know how to fix that ... my conserne is that it shouldn't be fixed :/
 but sharing files with the content hib only works for known mimetypes aka images, video ...
 Hi @Trapkingh! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. To get started, please take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome. For your question, please come into the Newcomers Room.
 got it working by adding `"content-hub": "content-hub.json"`
[21:32] <tgBot1> JJW88 was added by: JJW88
 @JJW88, Hi @Joe W. I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 @Trapkingh, There isn't a setup.exe, and that has nothing to do with ubports really
 If you want help with installing Ubuntu on a PC/server, the right place would be #ubuntu IRC on Freenode network
 or you can ask a question on https://askubuntu.com
[21:48] <tgBot1> <oleg sokolov> maybe a campaign on indiegogo with preinstalled ubuntu touch?
 @dohbee / Rodney thanks for this links, nice
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/n637joPF/file_4083
 @mariogrip In the latest Q&A you said, that the startup of the gallery-app (and some other apps) on xenial are fixed, right? How did you do this?
[23:18] <tgBot1> Gianluca was added by: Gianluca
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