[00:00] <saigel_> By the way, it's not every kind of program that does this. Libre office works fine. VLC and VirtualBox have this problem. Maybe it's only programs that start with "V" <kidding>.
[00:03] <Darkhero|mobile> Going to mate-tweak and picking another configuration or saving your own should reset it
[00:03] <Darkhero|mobile> at least on 16.04
[00:04] <saigel_> Configuration, like "Window Manager"?
[00:05] <Darkhero|mobile> No, panel layout under interface
[00:06] <saigel_> I've tried "Marco (no compositor)", "Marco (Software compositor)", "Metacity (no compositor)" and "Metacity (Software compositor)"... all with the same results.
[00:06] <saigel_> Oh, sorry.
[00:06] <Darkhero|mobile> I'm referring to wherever you can change the panel layout
[00:07] <Darkhero|mobile> Looks like there's an extra panel category in 16.10
[00:09] <Darkhero|mobile> I'll be back soon
[05:24] <alkisg> saigel_: those two programs use qt, maybe it's qt-based programs that have the issue?
[05:24] <alkisg> Which graphics drivers are you using? lspci -nn -k | grep -A 3 VGA
[07:07] <saigel_> alkisg, I finally got an update on the machine and a reboot. After that, the window started filling in. Weird.
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[10:04] <manolo> hola
[10:04] <diogenes_> hi
[10:05] <manolo> bueno dias es el primer dia de ubutu y queria saber donde me descargo el programa gracias
[10:05] <diogenes_> !es @manolo
[10:06] <diogenes_> !es
[10:06] <manolo> gracias muchas gracias
[11:59] <GenZai> Hi there
[12:33] <alkisg> Hello
[13:34] <GenZai> Just tried to upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10. Got an error on shim-signed and grub-efi-amd64-signed during the upgrade. At the end of the upgrade I received the message " the upgrade has aborted, a recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a) . But nothing ran...
[13:35] <GenZai> I guess I won't be able to reboot as grub is maybe broken now.
[13:36] <GenZai> the recovery runs at the reboot normally ? Or it should run just after I receive the error message after the upgrade ?
[13:40] <alkisg> GenZai: try to run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade currently, and see if it prompts you to run dpkg --configure -a etc
[13:41] <GenZai> ok i'll try this
[13:41] <mate|piterke> Witam wszystkich jest moze ktos tu z Polski
[13:42] <alkisg> !pl
[13:43] <mate|piterke> acha jestem od kilku dni posiadaczem linuxa
[13:43] <alkisg> We don't speak Polish.
[13:44] <alkisg> Go to #ubuntu-pl
[13:50] <GenZai> it's still says there is an error on those 2 packages
[13:50] <GenZai> but it doesn't ask me to run dpkg --configure -a
[13:51] <GenZai> https://gist.github.com/GenZai/28dbe269702416c81e2fb6828b6b6ce4
[14:58] <alkisg> GenZai: what's the output of this? ls -lha /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.efi
[15:05] <GenZai> @alkisg,
[15:05] <GenZai> drwx------ 2 root root 4,0K nov.   5  2016 .
[15:05] <GenZai> drwx------ 3 root root 4,0K nov.   5  2016 ..
[15:05] <GenZai> -rwx------ 1 root root 120K nov.   5  2016 grubx64.efi
[15:05] <alkisg> GenZai: that's the problem, it's a directory while it needs to be a file
[15:05] <GenZai> yep weird
[15:05] <GenZai> how come it's a directory
[15:05] <alkisg> GenZai: just try moving it elsewhere, and run apt-get dist-upgrade again
[15:08] <GenZai> it's weird that I have this file grubx64.efi in BOOTX64.efi if, BOOTX64.efi is not supposed to be a directory
[15:26] <Blingy> Hey everyone!
[15:26] <GenZai> Heya
[15:27] <Blingy> Hey GenZai, i hope you're doing okay
[15:27] <Blingy> i'm new into Linux and i just wanted some help for something
[15:29] <GenZai> Yep what is your question ?
[15:30] <Blingy> I'm just trying to install Oracle Express edition database for my studies
[15:30] <Blingy> and i find it a little bit challenging here lol
[15:30] <Blingy> i went through many tutorials
[15:32] <saigel_> alkisg: It says: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. MGA G200e [Pilot] ServerEngines (SEP1) [102b:0522] (rev 02), Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company MGA G200e [Pilot] ServerEngines (SEP1) [103c:0100], 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82576 Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10c9] (rev 01), Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company NC362i Integrated Dual port Gigabit Server
[15:32] <saigel_> Adapter [103c:323f]
[15:33] <GenZai> I would recommend to test your installs on a virtual machine
[15:33] <GenZai> then you can play around without the fear of crashing your computer :)
[15:34] <alkisg> saigel_: yeah, it sounds like a graphics driver glitch, it doesn't even load a kernel driver for that
[15:34] <alkisg> Is it a server with an embedded ancient card?
[15:34] <Blingy> I can install a virtual machine on Ubuntu?
[15:34] <saigel_> Server: yes, Embedded: yes, Ancient: probably!
[15:35] <saigel_> alkisg: Now here is something funny: I used a different RDP client, and the window contents is visible.
[15:35] <alkisg> saigel_: ok so if you're using that as a desktop, try to find a pci-e one
[15:35] <saigel_> Uh, no, it's being used as a server.
[15:36] <alkisg> RDP can work on the real desktop or on a virtual desktop
[15:36] <alkisg> Your real desktop has issues, the virtual desktops are unrelated to the actual hardware
[15:36] <saigel_> I think you're right!
[15:36] <saigel_> I'll go poke into that idea for awhile.
[15:36] <saigel_> Thank you.
[15:36] <GenZai> @Blingy, yep I would recommend to install Oracle Virtual Box
[15:37] <alkisg> np
[15:37] <alkisg> saigel_: there's also x2go for remote desktops
[15:37] <alkisg> (except for rdp)
[15:37] <saigel_> alkisg: What is it?
[15:37] <alkisg> xrdp is the server, freerdp or mstsc are the clients
[15:38] <alkisg> in the same sense exactly, x2go-server is the server, x2go-client the client
[15:38] <alkisg> The client runs on many OSes
[15:38] <saigel_> It must be pretty good?
[15:38] <alkisg> About the same as rdp, but it's a linux protocol, not a windows protocol
[15:38] <alkisg> In some cases, it's better. In some others... no
[15:39] <alkisg> I.e. try it and see if it works better for you or not
[15:39] <saigel_> Ok. It's Ubuntu on the server and /usually/ Ubuntu on the client. But sometimes I access the server from my iPad or Android phone.
[15:40] <alkisg> Hmm not sure if they have clients for ipad, and the android was pretty alpha...
[15:40] <alkisg> They do have a decent client for windows
[15:40] <saigel_> Ok. I'll have a look-see.
[15:41] <alkisg> Check on their website for details, I'm not using it that much to know the latest details
[15:41] <alkisg> ok
[15:50] <saigel_> alkisg: Follow up: I was accessing my server via RDP protocol through Remmina. The complaint I was having was that some windows (VLC and VirtualBox were the ones I noticed) produced a window frame but NO contents. I just now changed color capture mode from 15 bits to 24 bits, and Voila! Window contents now visible.
[15:51] <alkisg> saigel_: were you watching the actual server screen though, or a virtual desktop?
[15:51] <saigel_> Virtual, I'm not onsite.
[15:51] <alkisg> If you were accessing a virtual desktop, that's purely a remmina issue then...
[15:51] <alkisg> (or xrdp issue)
[15:51] <saigel_> Agreed.
[15:51] <saigel_> But I couldn't tell until just now.
[15:52] <alkisg> Eh no that's not certain,
[15:52] <alkisg> you can access either the real or a virtual desktop, while being remote
[15:52] <saigel_> I've never seen anything like that before where one window works great but another one produces just its window frame and nothing else.
[15:52] <alkisg> The difference is in the first case the graphics card driver is used
[15:52] <saigel_> Well, heck. Now that you mention it, I guess I'm not sure.
[15:53] <alkisg> The difference is, if you plug in a monitor locally, will you see the same things that you're seeing remotely
[15:54] <saigel_> Right. Then I'm seeing a virtual desktop.
[15:55] <alkisg> ps aux could also reveal that, the real desktop is spawned by the display manager
[15:55] <alkisg> OK, then it's purely an xrdp/remmina issue
[16:25] <pim8> hello everyone, I have a 2006 box with an asus m2n4-sli motherboard and a AMD Athlon 64 x2 5200+. GPU is an NVidia 8800 GTS. this is a technical question about the working of a pc. as I am experiencing awful mouse lag and the keyboard is unusable on a variety of OSs (Ubuntu,Lubuntu, 64-32bit, XP) I was wondering what could be off. Is the CPU that handles usb inputs like these? GPU or motherboard, or could it be all of them. I could
[16:25] <pim8> easily swap the CPU with a 40 euro worth of on amazon, but would not want to dump money ineffectively on an old system such as this one
[16:27] <pim8> I need to add that the keyboard works fine in the BIOS
[16:53] <alkisg> pim8: 2006 box, yeah you should definately not spend any money on it
[16:53] <alkisg> How much RAM does that have?
[16:54] <alkisg> You can even buy better hardware with less than 100 euros
[16:54] <alkisg> Although, that's not an #ubuntu-mate question, you could ask in #hardware if you like
[16:55] <alkisg> Browsers nowadays need more than 1 GB RAM, so you should have 1-2 GB RAM for normal desktop use
[18:06] <chris__> 131
[19:41] <pim8> alikisg: I got 4GB RAM, computing power is the bottle neck but it still perfectly capable of handling printing and everyday browsing
[19:47] <pim8> thanks for pointing out #hardware though!
[20:03] <alkisg> pim8: your box has about the same performance as this tv box: https://www.gearbest.com/media-player/pp_691661.html
[20:03] <alkisg> ...with $79
[20:03] <alkisg> Really, don't invest on it
[20:08] <pim8> alkisg: it was my old desktop and now my folks' computer. I would just like to get it to work without putting money into it. I dont think it is more than a nuisance but I cannot find the root of the problem with the mouse and keyboard.
[20:09] <alkisg> pim8: well, when that happens, open `top` and see what is taking up cpu
[20:09] <alkisg> pim8: also check `dmesg` for errors
[20:10] <pim8> I was wondering whether it would be a cpu matter of motherboard/gpu. 40 euro worth of finding out for myself if no useful advice is found.top only gives about 7% to xorg and that is the highest usage process. I ll try dmesg shortly then. thing is it almost impossible to type
[20:11] <pim8> during one cycle it improved only by swapping the front usb ports with the ones in the back, momentarily. nvidia gave me heaps of issues in the past with graphics but I am not educated enough to know if graphics drivers could result in this behaviour
[20:11] <alkisg> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+64+X2+Dual+Core+5200%2B => 1383 cpu score
[20:11] <alkisg> That means that you should be able to watch youtube full screen without lags, but of course not on full hd
[20:11] <alkisg> and of course without 50 tabs open
[20:12] <alkisg> If you get keyboard/mouse lags on that task, something else is wrong, not the cpu
[20:12] <pim8> alkisg, I dont even get 1 full MBps of bandwidth here..so no issue with non-HD
[20:12] <pim8> what I know it is wrong is the mp-bios bug about noapic
[20:13] <pim8> I updated the bios and fiddled with the different option in the grub in vain
[20:17] <alkisg> dmesg may tell you about several hardware issues, irqs, whatever