| OvenWerks | cleary: Also at the time xfce was chosen, gnome2 had just been moved to gnome3 which was not really ready for use and required rather a lot of CPU which is not exactly a winning combination with high DSP use or lowlatency. Unity was problematic with many audio programs... xfce was what was left used not too much cpu and stable. | 00:00 |
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| cleary | I'm just trying to plan my own application of development time - I was curious to know if there was an explicit reason that Wayland didn't make it into 17.10 (and I presume left off 18.04) | 00:00 |
| OvenWerks | cleary: Studio has basically 0 people with time to do anything | 00:01 |
| cleary | that's not good :( | 00:02 |
| cleary | how many people do you have working on it? | 00:02 |
| OvenWerks | I haven't seen a comment in the dev channel for about 3 months | 00:03 |
| cleary | for me, it's idle curiousity at this stage but if my circumstances change at some point, and I don't have to work 3 jobs I'd be interested in helping out | 00:03 |
| cleary | are you a contributor too? | 00:03 |
| OvenWerks | there is one person trying to make sure things work well enough to release | 00:03 |
| cleary | *ouch* | 00:04 |
| OvenWerks | I have contributed, but I have been spending a lot of time on Ardour the past few years. | 00:04 |
| cleary | how is this distro perceived in the wider linux daw community? | 00:05 |
| cleary | I guess I mean, is it frequently recommended, or are there more popular choices? | 00:05 |
| OvenWerks | not that well I think. but there is some missinformation out there and ubuntu has released some of the worst versions of jackd for example a few years ago. | 00:06 |
| OvenWerks | the most recomended ditro is AVLinux. followed by kxstudio, except there has not been a kxstudio since 14.04 | 00:07 |
| OvenWerks | which means right now install ubuntu and load kxstudio on top if that is wanted. | 00:07 |
| cleary | interesting - I've seen kxstudio packages mentioned, but from my understanding they tend to commit the cardinal sin of breaking upstream distro packages | 00:08 |
| OvenWerks | And other troubles Falktx has been very busy with other things (MOD for example) and is just getting back to it. | 00:09 |
| cleary | Falktx is ubuntu studio, or kxstudio? | 00:09 |
| OvenWerks | hmm the last thing I did was last May it seems.. | 00:09 |
| OvenWerks | falktx is the kxstudio maintainer | 00:10 |
| cleary | ok, who's the main ubuntu studio dev? | 00:10 |
| OvenWerks | I would suggest there isn't one at this point. | 00:10 |
| cleary | ok - apologies for all the questions btw, I use it extensively at home. One of my jobs is a bass guitar teacher | 00:11 |
| OvenWerks | I have been around about the longest (since 11.10ish) | 00:11 |
| OvenWerks | I run it as well 16.04 and use it for Ardour development | 00:11 |
| cleary | ok I understand :) | 00:12 |
| OvenWerks | Linux audio in general is going through some rough times | 00:13 |
| cleary | that is such a shame | 00:13 |
| cleary | I recently discovered live coding patterns as a musical genre (tidalcycles, sonicpi) and it appeals to me on so many levels as a musician, programmer and educator | 00:14 |
| OvenWerks | A lot of it is that something becomes "finished" and the writer forgets about it and it suffers from bitrot | 00:14 |
| cleary | I feel like there's a real opportunity to stick this stuff in kids hands and have it go gangbusters | 00:14 |
| cleary | ^ I get that too | 00:15 |
| OvenWerks | I think so too, but I haven't seen it happen yet. Though there are some people that use linux/ardour for teaching recording/mixing etc. | 00:16 |
| cleary | once again, asking idly but this is stuff I just don't know | 00:16 |
| cleary | being part of the ubuntu suite of distros, is there extra marketing resources or channels that ubuntu studio has access to (if time and resourcing weren't major obstacles)? | 00:17 |
| OvenWerks | I don't know, quite honestly. Pr has never been one of my strong sides. Not that we couldn't it a lot more. | 00:19 |
| cleary | sorry, there's a word missing at the end, and I can't work out what it would be | 00:19 |
| OvenWerks | not that we couldn't use more pr/marketing than we have. | 00:20 |
| cleary | understood - sorry, brb got some issues I need to work on for a mo | 00:21 |
| OvenWerks | a better product would help of course. The biggest thing with a distro that is LTS based is making newer versions of audio sw available for the LTS | 00:21 |
| cleary | it's a common dilema | 00:22 |
| cleary | +m | 00:22 |
| cleary | the reason you're here, the reason most of us are here hacking on things, is because creating and improving is what drives us | 00:22 |
| cleary | and an LTS release has precisely the opposite motivation | 00:23 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, scratching an itch | 00:23 |
| cleary | having said that, I maintain a custom in-house distro for a private company | 00:24 |
| cleary | one guy, and in the past it used to be based on debian sid | 00:24 |
| cleary | and that was really hard work | 00:24 |
| cleary | but the linux desktop was not ready for the enterprise and I needed everything new and improved | 00:24 |
| cleary | at some point around 2011 I migrated to ubuntu, and was able to run a stable distro | 00:25 |
| cleary | and for this project, all I want is something that doesn't change too much ;) | 00:25 |
| OvenWerks | Around the house we use Studio, xubuntu, kde, server and maybe there is one lubuntu as well | 00:26 |
| OvenWerks | in many ways, studio is xubuntu with some tweaks and lots of apps. | 00:26 |
| cleary | Yeah I was about to say | 00:26 |
| cleary | which is good, if you can leverage a significant part of existing work | 00:27 |
| OvenWerks | I was hoping to get ubuntustudio-controls "finished" but I have run out of time. | 00:27 |
| cleary | what is it? | 00:27 |
| OvenWerks | It would allow things like USB mics to work fairly painlessly | 00:28 |
| OvenWerks | it starts jackd at session start and uses pulseaudio only as a front end | 00:28 |
| cleary | I think I understand the problem | 00:29 |
| OvenWerks | it allows more than one device to be hooked up to jack at a time. | 00:29 |
| cleary | pulse is needed to aggregate that sort of stuff | 00:29 |
| cleary | yeah | 00:29 |
| OvenWerks | Pipewire may make it all obsolete though | 00:29 |
| cleary | I'm not familiar with any of these things, but it's nice to see things happening regardless | 00:30 |
| OvenWerks | pulse is needed as something the desktop understands, but for our use should never touch a real audio device... | 00:30 |
| cleary | funny thing about software development though, while Pipewire may be the ducks nuts | 00:31 |
| cleary | if you actually release something that works, the panacea that is still in development may still never see the light of day | 00:32 |
| cleary | I'm saying that not knowing anything about Pipewire, but just in my experience | 00:33 |
| cleary | I will be checking it out though | 00:33 |
| cleary | anyway, as much as I'm enjoying this talk of new audio related developments, I do need to get back into my boring, very stable enterprise build ;) | 00:34 |
| cleary | thanks for taking the time to chat - very much appreciated | 00:35 |
| cleary | ...and it is a serious comment - I would offer some of my services immediately if I could | 00:36 |
| cleary | but 3 jobs, and a young family says not right now | 00:36 |
| OvenWerks | I need to go to, my Yf needs me | 00:37 |
| cleary | me too - later | 00:37 |
| studio-user773 | ola | 12:46 |
| tritonus | tritonus_ensemble | 23:50 |
| tritonus | ges### | 23:50 |
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