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OvenWerkscleary: Also at the time xfce was chosen, gnome2 had just been moved to gnome3 which was not really ready for use and required rather a lot of CPU which is not exactly a winning combination with high DSP use or lowlatency. Unity was problematic with many audio programs... xfce was what was left used not too much cpu and stable.00:00
clearyI'm just trying to plan my own application of development time - I was curious to know if there was an explicit reason that Wayland didn't make it into 17.10 (and I presume left off 18.04)00:00
OvenWerkscleary: Studio has basically 0 people with time to do anything00:01
clearythat's not good :(00:02
clearyhow many people do you have working on it?00:02
OvenWerksI haven't seen a comment in the dev channel for about 3 months00:03
clearyfor me, it's idle curiousity at this stage but if my circumstances change at some point, and I don't have to work 3 jobs I'd be interested in helping out00:03
clearyare you a contributor too?00:03
OvenWerksthere is one person trying to make sure things work well enough to release00:03
cleary*ouch*00:04
OvenWerksI have contributed, but I have been spending a lot of time on Ardour the past few years.00:04
clearyhow is this distro perceived in the wider linux daw community?00:05
clearyI guess I mean, is it frequently recommended, or are there more popular choices?00:05
OvenWerksnot that well I think. but there is some missinformation out there and ubuntu has released some of the worst versions of jackd for example a few years ago.00:06
OvenWerksthe most recomended ditro is AVLinux. followed by kxstudio, except there has not been a kxstudio since 14.0400:07
OvenWerks which means right now install ubuntu and load kxstudio on top if that is wanted.00:07
clearyinteresting - I've seen kxstudio packages mentioned, but from my understanding they tend to commit the cardinal sin of breaking upstream distro packages00:08
OvenWerksAnd other troubles Falktx has been very busy with other things (MOD for example) and is just getting back to it.00:09
clearyFalktx is ubuntu studio, or kxstudio?00:09
OvenWerkshmm the last thing I did was last May it seems..00:09
OvenWerksfalktx is the kxstudio maintainer00:10
clearyok, who's the main ubuntu studio dev?00:10
OvenWerksI would suggest there isn't one at this point.00:10
clearyok - apologies for all the questions btw, I use it extensively at home. One of my jobs is a bass guitar teacher00:11
OvenWerksI have been around about the longest (since 11.10ish)00:11
OvenWerksI run it as well 16.04 and use it for Ardour development00:11
clearyok I understand :)00:12
OvenWerksLinux audio in general is going through some rough times00:13
clearythat is such a shame00:13
clearyI recently discovered live coding patterns as a musical genre (tidalcycles, sonicpi) and it appeals to me on so many levels as a musician, programmer and educator00:14
OvenWerksA lot of it is that something becomes "finished" and the writer forgets about it and it suffers from bitrot00:14
clearyI feel like there's a real opportunity to stick this stuff in kids hands and have it go gangbusters00:14
cleary^ I get that too00:15
OvenWerksI think so too, but I haven't seen it happen yet. Though there are some people that use linux/ardour for teaching recording/mixing etc.00:16
clearyonce again, asking idly but this is stuff I just don't know00:16
clearybeing part of the ubuntu suite of distros, is there extra marketing resources or channels that ubuntu studio has access to (if time and resourcing weren't major obstacles)?00:17
OvenWerksI don't know, quite honestly. Pr has never been one of my strong sides. Not that we couldn't it a lot more.00:19
clearysorry, there's a word missing at the end, and I can't work out what it would be00:19
OvenWerksnot that we couldn't use more pr/marketing than we have.00:20
clearyunderstood - sorry, brb got some issues I need to work on for a mo00:21
OvenWerksa better product would help of course. The biggest thing with a distro that is LTS based is making newer versions of audio sw available for the LTS00:21
clearyit's a common dilema00:22
cleary+m00:22
clearythe reason you're here, the reason most of us are here hacking on things, is because creating and improving is what drives us00:22
clearyand an LTS release has precisely the opposite motivation00:23
OvenWerksYa, scratching an itch00:23
clearyhaving said that, I maintain a custom in-house distro for a private company00:24
clearyone guy, and in the past it used to be based on debian sid00:24
clearyand that was really hard work00:24
clearybut the linux desktop was not ready for the enterprise and I needed everything new and improved00:24
clearyat some point around 2011 I migrated to ubuntu, and was able to run a stable distro00:25
clearyand for this project, all I want is something that doesn't change too much ;)00:25
OvenWerksAround the house we use Studio, xubuntu, kde, server and maybe there is one lubuntu as well00:26
OvenWerksin many ways, studio is xubuntu with some tweaks and lots of apps.00:26
clearyYeah I was about to say00:26
clearywhich is good, if you can leverage a significant part of existing work00:27
OvenWerksI was hoping to get ubuntustudio-controls "finished" but I have run out of time.00:27
clearywhat is it?00:27
OvenWerks It would allow things like USB mics to work fairly painlessly00:28
OvenWerksit starts jackd at session start and uses pulseaudio only as a front end00:28
clearyI think I understand the problem00:29
OvenWerksit allows more than one device to be hooked up to jack at a time.00:29
clearypulse is needed to aggregate that sort of stuff00:29
clearyyeah00:29
OvenWerks Pipewire may make it all obsolete though00:29
clearyI'm not familiar with any of these things, but it's nice to see things happening regardless00:30
OvenWerkspulse is needed as something the desktop  understands, but for our use should never touch a real audio device...00:30
clearyfunny thing about software development though, while Pipewire may be the ducks nuts00:31
clearyif you actually release something that works, the panacea that is still in development may still never see the light of day00:32
clearyI'm saying that not knowing anything about Pipewire, but just in my experience00:33
clearyI will be checking it out though00:33
clearyanyway, as much as I'm enjoying this talk of new audio related developments, I do need to get back into my boring, very stable enterprise build ;)00:34
clearythanks for taking the time to chat - very much appreciated00:35
cleary...and it is a serious comment - I would offer some of my services immediately if I could00:36
clearybut 3 jobs, and a young family says not right now00:36
OvenWerksI need to go to, my Yf needs me00:37
clearyme too - later00:37
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