[00:00] cleary: Also at the time xfce was chosen, gnome2 had just been moved to gnome3 which was not really ready for use and required rather a lot of CPU which is not exactly a winning combination with high DSP use or lowlatency. Unity was problematic with many audio programs... xfce was what was left used not too much cpu and stable. [00:00] I'm just trying to plan my own application of development time - I was curious to know if there was an explicit reason that Wayland didn't make it into 17.10 (and I presume left off 18.04) [00:01] cleary: Studio has basically 0 people with time to do anything [00:02] that's not good :( [00:02] how many people do you have working on it? [00:03] I haven't seen a comment in the dev channel for about 3 months [00:03] for me, it's idle curiousity at this stage but if my circumstances change at some point, and I don't have to work 3 jobs I'd be interested in helping out [00:03] are you a contributor too? [00:03] there is one person trying to make sure things work well enough to release [00:04] *ouch* [00:04] I have contributed, but I have been spending a lot of time on Ardour the past few years. [00:05] how is this distro perceived in the wider linux daw community? [00:05] I guess I mean, is it frequently recommended, or are there more popular choices? [00:06] not that well I think. but there is some missinformation out there and ubuntu has released some of the worst versions of jackd for example a few years ago. [00:07] the most recomended ditro is AVLinux. followed by kxstudio, except there has not been a kxstudio since 14.04 [00:07] which means right now install ubuntu and load kxstudio on top if that is wanted. [00:08] interesting - I've seen kxstudio packages mentioned, but from my understanding they tend to commit the cardinal sin of breaking upstream distro packages [00:09] And other troubles Falktx has been very busy with other things (MOD for example) and is just getting back to it. [00:09] Falktx is ubuntu studio, or kxstudio? [00:09] hmm the last thing I did was last May it seems.. [00:10] falktx is the kxstudio maintainer [00:10] ok, who's the main ubuntu studio dev? [00:10] I would suggest there isn't one at this point. [00:11] ok - apologies for all the questions btw, I use it extensively at home. One of my jobs is a bass guitar teacher [00:11] I have been around about the longest (since 11.10ish) [00:11] I run it as well 16.04 and use it for Ardour development [00:12] ok I understand :) [00:13] Linux audio in general is going through some rough times [00:13] that is such a shame [00:14] I recently discovered live coding patterns as a musical genre (tidalcycles, sonicpi) and it appeals to me on so many levels as a musician, programmer and educator [00:14] A lot of it is that something becomes "finished" and the writer forgets about it and it suffers from bitrot [00:14] I feel like there's a real opportunity to stick this stuff in kids hands and have it go gangbusters [00:15] ^ I get that too [00:16] I think so too, but I haven't seen it happen yet. Though there are some people that use linux/ardour for teaching recording/mixing etc. [00:16] once again, asking idly but this is stuff I just don't know [00:17] being part of the ubuntu suite of distros, is there extra marketing resources or channels that ubuntu studio has access to (if time and resourcing weren't major obstacles)? [00:19] I don't know, quite honestly. Pr has never been one of my strong sides. Not that we couldn't it a lot more. [00:19] sorry, there's a word missing at the end, and I can't work out what it would be [00:20] not that we couldn't use more pr/marketing than we have. [00:21] understood - sorry, brb got some issues I need to work on for a mo [00:21] a better product would help of course. The biggest thing with a distro that is LTS based is making newer versions of audio sw available for the LTS [00:22] it's a common dilema [00:22] +m [00:22] the reason you're here, the reason most of us are here hacking on things, is because creating and improving is what drives us [00:23] and an LTS release has precisely the opposite motivation [00:23] Ya, scratching an itch [00:24] having said that, I maintain a custom in-house distro for a private company [00:24] one guy, and in the past it used to be based on debian sid [00:24] and that was really hard work [00:24] but the linux desktop was not ready for the enterprise and I needed everything new and improved [00:25] at some point around 2011 I migrated to ubuntu, and was able to run a stable distro [00:25] and for this project, all I want is something that doesn't change too much ;) [00:26] Around the house we use Studio, xubuntu, kde, server and maybe there is one lubuntu as well [00:26] in many ways, studio is xubuntu with some tweaks and lots of apps. [00:26] Yeah I was about to say [00:27] which is good, if you can leverage a significant part of existing work [00:27] I was hoping to get ubuntustudio-controls "finished" but I have run out of time. [00:27] what is it? [00:28] It would allow things like USB mics to work fairly painlessly [00:28] it starts jackd at session start and uses pulseaudio only as a front end [00:29] I think I understand the problem [00:29] it allows more than one device to be hooked up to jack at a time. [00:29] pulse is needed to aggregate that sort of stuff [00:29] yeah [00:29] Pipewire may make it all obsolete though [00:30] I'm not familiar with any of these things, but it's nice to see things happening regardless [00:30] pulse is needed as something the desktop understands, but for our use should never touch a real audio device... [00:31] funny thing about software development though, while Pipewire may be the ducks nuts [00:32] if you actually release something that works, the panacea that is still in development may still never see the light of day [00:33] I'm saying that not knowing anything about Pipewire, but just in my experience [00:33] I will be checking it out though [00:34] anyway, as much as I'm enjoying this talk of new audio related developments, I do need to get back into my boring, very stable enterprise build ;) [00:35] thanks for taking the time to chat - very much appreciated [00:36] ...and it is a serious comment - I would offer some of my services immediately if I could [00:36] but 3 jobs, and a young family says not right now [00:37] I need to go to, my Yf needs me [00:37] me too - later [12:46] ola [23:50] tritonus_ensemble [23:50] ges###