[00:00] <OvenWerks> cleary: Also at the time xfce was chosen, gnome2 had just been moved to gnome3 which was not really ready for use and required rather a lot of CPU which is not exactly a winning combination with high DSP use or lowlatency. Unity was problematic with many audio programs... xfce was what was left used not too much cpu and stable.
[00:00] <cleary> I'm just trying to plan my own application of development time - I was curious to know if there was an explicit reason that Wayland didn't make it into 17.10 (and I presume left off 18.04)
[00:01] <OvenWerks> cleary: Studio has basically 0 people with time to do anything
[00:02] <cleary> that's not good :(
[00:02] <cleary> how many people do you have working on it?
[00:03] <OvenWerks> I haven't seen a comment in the dev channel for about 3 months
[00:03] <cleary> for me, it's idle curiousity at this stage but if my circumstances change at some point, and I don't have to work 3 jobs I'd be interested in helping out
[00:03] <cleary> are you a contributor too?
[00:03] <OvenWerks> there is one person trying to make sure things work well enough to release
[00:04] <cleary> *ouch*
[00:04] <OvenWerks> I have contributed, but I have been spending a lot of time on Ardour the past few years.
[00:05] <cleary> how is this distro perceived in the wider linux daw community?
[00:05] <cleary> I guess I mean, is it frequently recommended, or are there more popular choices?
[00:06] <OvenWerks> not that well I think. but there is some missinformation out there and ubuntu has released some of the worst versions of jackd for example a few years ago.
[00:07] <OvenWerks> the most recomended ditro is AVLinux. followed by kxstudio, except there has not been a kxstudio since 14.04
[00:07] <OvenWerks>  which means right now install ubuntu and load kxstudio on top if that is wanted.
[00:08] <cleary> interesting - I've seen kxstudio packages mentioned, but from my understanding they tend to commit the cardinal sin of breaking upstream distro packages
[00:09] <OvenWerks> And other troubles Falktx has been very busy with other things (MOD for example) and is just getting back to it.
[00:09] <cleary> Falktx is ubuntu studio, or kxstudio?
[00:09] <OvenWerks> hmm the last thing I did was last May it seems..
[00:10] <OvenWerks> falktx is the kxstudio maintainer
[00:10] <cleary> ok, who's the main ubuntu studio dev?
[00:10] <OvenWerks> I would suggest there isn't one at this point.
[00:11] <cleary> ok - apologies for all the questions btw, I use it extensively at home. One of my jobs is a bass guitar teacher
[00:11] <OvenWerks> I have been around about the longest (since 11.10ish)
[00:11] <OvenWerks> I run it as well 16.04 and use it for Ardour development
[00:12] <cleary> ok I understand :)
[00:13] <OvenWerks> Linux audio in general is going through some rough times
[00:13] <cleary> that is such a shame
[00:14] <cleary> I recently discovered live coding patterns as a musical genre (tidalcycles, sonicpi) and it appeals to me on so many levels as a musician, programmer and educator
[00:14] <OvenWerks> A lot of it is that something becomes "finished" and the writer forgets about it and it suffers from bitrot
[00:14] <cleary> I feel like there's a real opportunity to stick this stuff in kids hands and have it go gangbusters
[00:15] <cleary> ^ I get that too
[00:16] <OvenWerks> I think so too, but I haven't seen it happen yet. Though there are some people that use linux/ardour for teaching recording/mixing etc.
[00:16] <cleary> once again, asking idly but this is stuff I just don't know
[00:17] <cleary> being part of the ubuntu suite of distros, is there extra marketing resources or channels that ubuntu studio has access to (if time and resourcing weren't major obstacles)?
[00:19] <OvenWerks> I don't know, quite honestly. Pr has never been one of my strong sides. Not that we couldn't it a lot more.
[00:19] <cleary> sorry, there's a word missing at the end, and I can't work out what it would be
[00:20] <OvenWerks> not that we couldn't use more pr/marketing than we have.
[00:21] <cleary> understood - sorry, brb got some issues I need to work on for a mo
[00:21] <OvenWerks> a better product would help of course. The biggest thing with a distro that is LTS based is making newer versions of audio sw available for the LTS
[00:22] <cleary> it's a common dilema
[00:22] <cleary> +m
[00:22] <cleary> the reason you're here, the reason most of us are here hacking on things, is because creating and improving is what drives us
[00:23] <cleary> and an LTS release has precisely the opposite motivation
[00:23] <OvenWerks> Ya, scratching an itch
[00:24] <cleary> having said that, I maintain a custom in-house distro for a private company
[00:24] <cleary> one guy, and in the past it used to be based on debian sid
[00:24] <cleary> and that was really hard work
[00:24] <cleary> but the linux desktop was not ready for the enterprise and I needed everything new and improved
[00:25] <cleary> at some point around 2011 I migrated to ubuntu, and was able to run a stable distro
[00:25] <cleary> and for this project, all I want is something that doesn't change too much ;)
[00:26] <OvenWerks> Around the house we use Studio, xubuntu, kde, server and maybe there is one lubuntu as well
[00:26] <OvenWerks> in many ways, studio is xubuntu with some tweaks and lots of apps.
[00:26] <cleary> Yeah I was about to say
[00:27] <cleary> which is good, if you can leverage a significant part of existing work
[00:27] <OvenWerks> I was hoping to get ubuntustudio-controls "finished" but I have run out of time.
[00:27] <cleary> what is it?
[00:28] <OvenWerks>  It would allow things like USB mics to work fairly painlessly
[00:28] <OvenWerks> it starts jackd at session start and uses pulseaudio only as a front end
[00:29] <cleary> I think I understand the problem
[00:29] <OvenWerks> it allows more than one device to be hooked up to jack at a time.
[00:29] <cleary> pulse is needed to aggregate that sort of stuff
[00:29] <cleary> yeah
[00:29] <OvenWerks>  Pipewire may make it all obsolete though
[00:30] <cleary> I'm not familiar with any of these things, but it's nice to see things happening regardless
[00:30] <OvenWerks> pulse is needed as something the desktop  understands, but for our use should never touch a real audio device...
[00:31] <cleary> funny thing about software development though, while Pipewire may be the ducks nuts
[00:32] <cleary> if you actually release something that works, the panacea that is still in development may still never see the light of day
[00:33] <cleary> I'm saying that not knowing anything about Pipewire, but just in my experience
[00:33] <cleary> I will be checking it out though
[00:34] <cleary> anyway, as much as I'm enjoying this talk of new audio related developments, I do need to get back into my boring, very stable enterprise build ;)
[00:35] <cleary> thanks for taking the time to chat - very much appreciated
[00:36] <cleary> ...and it is a serious comment - I would offer some of my services immediately if I could
[00:36] <cleary> but 3 jobs, and a young family says not right now
[00:37] <OvenWerks> I need to go to, my Yf needs me
[00:37] <cleary> me too - later
[12:46] <studio-user773> ola
[23:50] <tritonus> tritonus_ensemble
[23:50] <tritonus> ges###