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IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I just hit a very bad user-visible regression (if it affects more than just me) that seems to have happened with the 5.12 update via the backports PPA: https://phabricator.kde.org/T792202:39
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> Firefox no longer shows up in Discover because it lost its AppStream data02:39
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Yeah that's not high priority :P02:40
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Sorry, but Discover... meh02:40
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> Discover is how ordinary users install software.02:40
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> if ordinary users cannot install the most popular web browser, that is most definitely high priority02:41
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> I'll still argue for Normal priority02:41
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> It doesn't completely break the system.02:41
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I don't particularly care about the ticket's priority as long as it is treated as an important issue and resolved quickly :)02:42
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> what can I do to help investigate?02:42
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> First, I'd try reverting the discover update and confirm that it's indeed Discover02:42
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> Discover has nothing to do with it. The issue is that the Firefox packaging no longer provides AppStream metadata02:43
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Then try reverting the Firefox update and confirming that.02:43
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> ok, how do I do that?02:44
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Grab the previous upload from us.archives.ubuntu.com02:58
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> sudo apt install ./path/to/deb/file02:58
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> http://us.archives.ubuntu.com/ doesn't appear to exist02:59
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> er02:59
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> us.archive.ubuntu.com02:59
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> looking for it...03:00
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> (under pool)03:04
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> found that, but it depends on an older libfontconfig103:04
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> looking for that now...03:04
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> my god, this is a complete nightmare03:06
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> ok, I need some help here03:09
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> $  sudo apt install ~/Downloads/firefox_57.0.1+build2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb … Reading package lists... Done … Building dependency tree        … Reading state information... Done … Note, selecting 'firefox' instead of '/home/nate/Downloads/firefox_57.0.1+build2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb' … Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have … requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable …03:09
IrcsomeBot1packages have not yet been created … or been moved out of Incoming. … The following information may help to resolve the situation: … The following packages have unmet dependencies: …  firefox : Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12) but 2.11.94-0ubuntu2 is to be installed …            Recommends: xul-ext-ubufox but it is not going to be installed … E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.03:09
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> So with smaller packages, it's easy to Just Try That03:09
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> But with Firefox, it seems a bit harder03:09
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> You're 100% sure it's Firefox not shipping these files?03:10
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> This seems relevant: … Note, selecting 'firefox' instead of '/home/nate/Downloads/firefox_57.0.1+build2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb03:10
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> It isn't ;)03:10
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> sadly no03:10
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> let me see if I can find out03:10
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> ok yes, looks like the package is responsible for doing this03:12
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> File a bug against Firefox then :)03:12
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IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> Looks like in Debian-based distros, it's instead provided centrally, not on a per-package basis: https://wiki.debian.org/AppStream04:04
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maxyzvalorie: Is there anything in particular that you want me to look at to merge in the Debian packages?09:13
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IrcsomeBot1<tomazcanabrava> I do t really mind it as Firefox comes by default anywhere09:46
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blazehttps://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2018-679110:56
ubottuAn issue was discovered in soliduiserver/deviceserviceaction.cpp in KDE Plasma Workspace before 5.12.0. When a vfat thumbdrive that contains `` or $() in its volume label is plugged in and mounted through the device notifier, it's interpreted as a shell command, leading to a possibility of arbitrary command execution. An example of an offending volume label is "$(touch b)" -- t... (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2018-6791)10:56
blazepatch is really trivial and simple10:57
blazehttps://cgit.kde.org/plasma-workspace.git/commit/?id=f32002ce50edc3891f1fa41173132c820b917d5710:57
blazethe worst part here is that kde4 in trusty needs to be patched too, I guess11:05
blazeacheronuk: what do you think?11:05
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BluesKajHi folks12:14
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IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> @blaze, Assume I automatically call dibs on all KDE CVEs13:16
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> :P13:16
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> I'll take care of it this afternoon (US time)13:17
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> I mean, unless you want to do it yourself :D13:17
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> But security stuff is not something any of us can Just Upload, we need to file a bug with the CVE info, attach a debdiff following the standards, and test it13:18
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> I've done it a handful of times before, which is why I suggested I do it13:18
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IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> oh wow that issue is SUPER specific. I like these kinds of security issues where they are incredibly unlikely . . . sigh Meltdown Spectre sigh15:29
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> I am making a video about  product that I need to demo some distros. I am going to use Kubuntu as one of the distros. … Should I use 17.10 with Backports for 5.12. Or 18.04 Daily with the dark breeze testing stuff? … If the Dark Breeze stuff is staying then I'd vote for that because it would be eye catching :)15:32
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> I would say 18.04, as all the plasma 5.12 bits should have landed there now15:34
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> nice :)15:34
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> any feedback regarding the breeze dark panel?15:35
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> @MichaelTun, nothing recent, after intial change. so I would guess it is the new norm15:37
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> OH YEA!15:37
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> can we change some defaults too like double click instead of single click because 90% of people hate that? :)15:38
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> oh and how about Application Name by default in Kickoff rather than description first because "what the, really?"15:39
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> @MichaelTun, that is on my scribbled list of small tweaks to maybe make. need to work out what rc file saves that15:39
IrcsomeBot1<Sick_Rimmit> Yes, I really like the new Dark Theme, so +1 from me15:39
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> @Sick_Rimmit, Oh yea!15:40
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> @MichaelTun, can argue that one both ways. not sure15:40
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> 5 min screenlocker timeout is also an annoying one!15:41
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> @acheronuk, default expectation should be met imo so people have to edit as little as possible. That is the normal in every operating system but for some reason Plasma skips it. … GNOME being the only exception with their silliness15:41
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> @acheronuk, I agree. 20 minutes please15:42
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> I would turn it off entirely but that might be a bit too much :)15:42
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> but businesses/edu with workstations might find that annying if it goes. as it's handy for workstation security15:42
blazeThere's a desktop popup menu with apps, and it contains application descriptions instead of names, I really hate this15:42
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> maybe 10 mins15:43
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> completely agree Blaze. I dont think that is changeable either15:43
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> @acheronuk, that's fair15:43
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> anyone know what windows defaults to if auto-lock is on?15:43
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> last time I used that was on Windows NT15:43
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> I can test that if you want. I have a VM with 10 on it. I never use it but meh I can set it up again15:46
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> actually check this out, https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/15:47
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> yeah, have tried them in the past16:00
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> I think 15 mins16:01
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> the 5 mins really annoys me in VM testing, as the thing keeps locking if I forget to change it16:01
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> @acheronuk, exact same. I think 15 would be a good compromise of not too long but not too short. … does it take into consideration like video playback to not lock like on youtube videos?16:11
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> @acheronuk, You would make me the happiest person alive for 5 minutes if we changed that default in Kubuntu!16:14
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> :) I know it would be hard to change that in Plasma directly but if Kubuntu did it then it becomes the go to for new users imo16:19
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> well not just that change . . . all of these changes.16:19
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> yuuuuup16:19
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> You should check out some of the recent tasks on https://phabricator.kde.org/project/view/214/ :)16:19
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> oh phab has kanban? nice16:20
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> Here is all the feedback I get from people when I praise Plasma. "It's so freaking complicated and overwhelming" … The slogan is "Simple by Default" . . . but it isn't because that implies they shouldn't have to change any defaults yet there are dozens that have to be changed and thus forces new people into all the customizations rather than letting them explore later on16:21
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> if Kubuntu offered a true simple default setup then I would not hesitate to suggest it to new users16:21
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> That's my hope :)16:22
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> https://phabricator.kde.org/T792816:24
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> I really do need to spend a few days on the kubuntu-settings package. It needs ripping apart, and putting back together, which has been on the todo for 2 releases now!16:27
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> always seems to be something else......16:27
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> Are Bionic images ready for testing on bare metal hardware?16:28
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> @nggraham, we have daily images: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/16:33
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> cool, I'll see if I can start testing those16:33
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> ok so I am going to make that list for quick updates that will improve Kubuntu default usability imo. … I will also give reasons why :)16:38
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> yes please16:38
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> that would be very valuable16:38
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> we really want to polish 18.04 to a mirror sheen16:39
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> fantastic to know. Honestly I have been wanting to suggest this stuff like the breeze dark theme hybrid for years but I just didnt expect people to listen because who am I right . . . now that I know you guys will listen I am kicking myself for waiting so long16:40
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> (Photo, 655x436) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/c5s09AwI/file_4333.jpg16:40
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> @MichaelTun @nggraham turning of the "press and hold" to move/edit widgets might also be nice16:40
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> as above16:40
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> does that allow just simple moving by click and drag?16:41
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> having to press and hold rather than just hover, is NOT intuitive16:41
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> if that makes it easier to see the how then YES I agree16:41
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> I dont use widgets so never noticed but yea that would be much better than having to wait for something you dont know even exists :)16:41
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> well, it makes the control bar appear when you hover over the widget16:42
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> you still can't move the widget itself with a simple drag16:42
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> But it does make the controls and the move UI more discoverable, so +116:43
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> dragging in the control bar moves it16:43
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I would be in favor of improving this UI upstream too16:43
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> it's still not mszing even with that setting unchecked16:43
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> no, it's not16:44
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> it would be better to just move them via the empty space but thats not really intuitive either to be honest16:45
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> I think it would be better to move them by simple drag IMHO. On the desktop, that's really the most expected behavior16:45
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> the widgets that have no background at all aren't obvious to move unless click and drag worked but what about widgets that have click interactive features . .. that could get messy16:45
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> true16:46
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> IIRC Linux Mint has interactive desktop widgets that you just drag to move, and that works fine for them16:46
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> never used their "desklets" either so cant comment there . . . if a simple drag and drop were possible then that would be awesome16:47
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> that would be sensible. I think it's what people try at first, then get a bit perplexed16:47
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> a quick compromise until then would be to disable the clic and wait16:47
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> let me file an upstream request16:47
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> nice16:47
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> @MichaelTun, +1, yeah16:47
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39008616:58
ubottuKDE bug 390086 in general "Option to move widgets via simple drag-and-drop anywhere on the widget" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]16:58
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> subbed16:59
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> we have a month to beta 1. lets try to get as many as possible of these UI improvement in for that17:01
IrcsomeBot1<MichaelTun> that would be great . . . that is the first time nomral-ish users will test it anyway17:02
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> exactly17:02
IrcsomeBot1<nggraham> Is this still a thing? http://kubuntu.emerge-open.com/buy17:15
IrcsomeBot1<nauticalnexus> Emerge makes me think of Gentoo.17:16
IrcsomeBot1<nauticalnexus> :(17:16
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valoriemaxyz: thanks for asking! I hope we'll have some requests for you soon21:27
valoriehope hope hope I've talked falkon devels into a release soon21:27
valorie@nggraham -- we don't know about emerge open21:28
valoriesad but true21:28
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IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> we gained a new tester for bionic https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/7w1041/kubuntu_backport_ppa_error/22:54
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> lol22:54
IrcsomeBot1<acheronuk> "Well, I guess I'm on Bionic Beaver. Not sure how that happened. I had Bionic beaver Gnome edition installed, and then re-installed for plain Kubuntu. I may have grabbed the wrong image. It's been stable as hell though. Guess that sorts out the problem."22:55
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> :D22:55
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