 And if anyone knows if that work is being completed, it'd be our resident @notkit
 With your ears to the ground, have you heard of how O support is coming along?
[00:24] <tgBot1> pandaswarm was added by: pandaswarm
[02:32] <tgBot1> Davilka was added by: Davilka
 Welcome Ja and @pandaswarm and @Davilka to UBports.  Feel free to ask us anything.
 And check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for more information about language groups and faqs.
 What's up folks!
 Welcome!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/K3IoXsbo/file_4114.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/vELMmPu0/file_4116.png
 @popescu_sorin, What device???
 xiaomi mi4
 it's from g+
 @Flohack https://plus.google.com/104798820055597165272/posts/F2WR71RbLKQ
 Hmm its a uszal port or smth special ? xD
 i have no idea :D
 it's from same shen though
[06:59] <tgBot1> sabret00the was added by: sabret00the
 @UniversalSuperBox, mal from #salfishos-porters did work on hybris-15 tree, but it was only build-tested so far
 @NotKit, where can i find this hybris 15?
 check repos at https://github.com/mlehtima, it's not uploaded yet to mer-hybris
 thanks!
 Anyone know how to get An box running on 16.04 Ubuntu touch?
 @KiritoDX, What device do you have
 Nexus 5
 Anbox images are stored on cdimage.ubports.com
 However, hammerhead image has not been posted
 They are in the works, but all the bugs specific to each device needs to be worked out.
 I thought the support was built into 16.10?
 No
 It's not
 To my knowledge it's device specific
 Ahh OK. So would you install the img from recovery or through snapd ?
 I'll have to dig it up... But if I can recall it's installed thru the ubports recovery
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 Sorry for the noob questions lol, after reading about it couldn't figure out why it wouldn't install.
 No worries. I'm noobish too. I'm struggling with porting SailfishOS to my OnePlus 5.
 What ya struggling with? Anyone you know been able to dual boot android and UT?
 Tried multiform but cant get it to boot android all the way after
 Multirom
 Wifi, cellular, sound... to name a few don't work. But it boots into the GUI
 Got the vendor blobs?
 I booted Ubuntu touch and Android on my Nexus 5 about two years ago
 You'll need to get the modded multirom specific to ubports to get it to work
 Damn, lol back to the hunt I guess. So do you have the device tree and vendor blobs for yours?
 Anyone have experience with Eagle? I'm having trouble learning it. Just direct message me a link to a practical tutorial for of mother boards, I'll figure the rest out.
 It's for Ubuntu touch, and to use helium to install it.
 Halium*
 https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/using-eagle-schematic
 @wollie88, Thank you. I appreciate it a lot.
 @popescu_sorin, How?? via bootloader or something else??
 Designing my own phone board, but learning Eagle ground up because I'm learning I can't rely on my friends.
 Do you have a electronics background ?
 Barely, from following tutorials and wiring guilt parts. So I'll be safe on voltages and soldering. But ground up is very new.
 I dont want to discourage you but designing building and debugging a phone mainboard from the ground up isnt exactly a one man job.
 I'm aware, my friends and aquitaine, just turned out to be unreliable.
 I work in electronics and have some years of experience, if you want to you can message me when you need some guidance
 @wollie88, Thank you, will do.
 As I have only the phone, u don't have search in telegram, so sorry for the duplicate question - is it possible to run desktop apps with the external display connected
 @G, Yes, also without it
 You have to set up libertine
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
 @dkvish, i don't know :/
[09:41] <tgBot1> <shen feng> I found MI4 author and his source
[09:42] <tgBot1> <shen feng> @wayneoutthere, I found MI4 author and his source
[09:43] <tgBot1> <shen feng> @Flohack, I found MI4 author and his source，https://github.com/kuailexs/android
 Wow. I can smell one more supported device! 😆
[09:46] <tgBot1> <shen feng> He is also the MI4 author of sailfish
[09:46] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 393x166) https://irc.ubports.com/834fmZEo/file_4118.jpg
[09:47] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 780x253) https://irc.ubports.com/AhWadlGK/file_4120.jpg
[09:47] <tgBot1> maxxxroma was added by: maxxxroma
 @maxxxroma, Welcome!
[09:53] <tgBot1> <shen feng> http://www.miui.com/thread-11986832-1-1.html
 Cool!
 Can we find out if he speaks english? This port is made with the old porting base, but we need him to try halium port, so we are upwards compatible
[09:59] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 598x800) https://irc.ubports.com/bzqJ6BEf/file_4122.jpg
[09:59] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 598x800) https://irc.ubports.com/7fVqQPk6/file_4123.jpg
[09:59] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 598x800) https://irc.ubports.com/yjwtvty2/file_4121.jpg
[09:59] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 598x800) https://irc.ubports.com/mNjXPXcQ/file_4124.jpg
[09:59] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 598x800) https://irc.ubports.com/QweiroK2/file_4125.jpg
[09:59] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 598x800) https://irc.ubports.com/lVqyQX0Z/file_4124.jpg
[10:02] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Photo, 861x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/tyDY0EpY/file_4127.jpg
[10:04] <tgBot1> <shen feng> @Flohack, Although he found him, but I temporarily can not contact him
 Ok thanks for the pictures but I think its enough now ;)
[10:05] <tgBot1> JABUTIKO was added by: JABUTIKO
 @Flohack someone else started working on halium base for this device. Mattia i think .. he's not that free lately though
 @saidinesh5, Ok we need to merge efforts.
 News alert!
 https://twitter.com/lanux_mage/status/961546655114940416
 Do you plan to sell phones customized and installed Ubuntu ?
 @hwpplayer1, UBports will not sell phones themselves, we are a foundation, not a company focused on business like that. But if there is a hardware partner who is willing to pre-install Ubuntu Touch, it can be done. #BQ has done in the past
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/hw38JCo3/file_4128
 @garrogarri, Thank you!
 @G, you're welcome
 @Flohack, If i may help for this coordination is it okay for you ?
 @hwpplayer1, You can found any compüany you like =)
 I'll talk with PR Canonical after 12 February she is busy now
 I'm travelling with work in the US (West Coast) until 12th Feb so responses may be delayed. If urgent, please message me.  She said
 What you need from Canonical ?
 To become partner for business
 Hmm ok but you can do this already now, I don´t know if Canonical will have better resources than what you can find on the Internet. Also; Canonical is not very interested in the phone anymore.
 (Sticker, 512x489) https://irc.ubports.com/Jgdlp0aH/file_4129
 Hi excuse me for writing here. I encountered this issue with ubport installer. When it run computer get really hot and the van goes all the way. And it goes really slow when saying download of 1 of 12 files. Tried on Windows 7 and lubuntu 16.04.
 Can't get to install ubport on a nexus 5 :(
 @Gabriele, Try a different usb cable. We can provide detailed help @WelcomePlus
 htcdev
 @Gabriele, We must catch that van! 😹
 Hi guys, do you know what modules/audio drivers are used by UT? I tried the following command: … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav … 1) In a terminal window, everything runs smoothly … 2) In a libertine container, I got the following bunch of errors: … root@ubuntu-phablet:/# aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav  … ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' … ALSA lib conf.c:4259:(_snd_config
[12:41] <tgBot1> snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such file or directory … ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings … ALSA lib conf.c:4259:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such file or directory … ALSA lib confmisc.c:1251:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name … ALSA lib conf.c:4259:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or directory … ALSA lib conf.c:4738:(snd_c
[12:41] <tgBot1> error: No such file or directory … ALSA lib pcm.c:2239:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default … aplay: main:722: audio open error: No such file or directory  … Am I missing something? Or is it related to Mir? Because when running vlc, I can hear audio! Any ideas?
 @KiritoDX, you can do dual boot manually,  … 1- install UT … 2- copy system.img for data partition (in recovery mode add pull /data/system.img) … 3- Install android … 4- push system.img to data (adb push system.img /data/) … 5- You can use android without anything to do … 6- If you want run UT, just reboot to bootloader, and run fastboot boot boo.img (or ubport-boot.img if halium)
 @Walid, What device are you referring to?
 @Walid, i believe the last command is "fastboot flash boot boo.img"
 you missed the flash part
 @saidinesh5, Yes, hwcomposer works but i've got some Little problem
 @Gravo, the sound should go through PulseAudio
 not sure if there is ALSA compatibility set up
 @NotKit, I just checked all the installed packages in the phone via dpkg, installing missing ones in the container...but always the same errors
 no, I mean... you check this through aplay, which uses ALSA
 VLC probably outputs through PulseAudio by default, and that's what needed for apps
 "1) In a terminal window, everything runs smoothly … 2) In a libertine container, I got the following bunch of errors:" - ah, read your message wrong, sorry
 @NotKit, Don't worry...anyway, thanks! 👍
 check /etc/asound.conf outside of Libertine
 or ~/.asoundrc (unlikely)
 @vanyasem, no, this just to boot UT, if he reboot phone, android will start
 oh okay
 @TronFortyTwo, moto g 2014, but you can do it at any device
 @NotKit, It doesn't exist...as well as ~/.asoundrc 😞
 ls /etc/alsa … ls /usr/share/alsa
 Under /etc/ there's no alsa folder! Under /usr/share/alsa/ there are 3 *.conf files: alsa.conf (I think this is the main one), pulse-alsa.conf, smixer.conf
 I can't update my n5 to rc 24, now I'm on rc 23 but it says "the softwareis up to date" 😢
 @Gravo, You will need to use pulseaudio (paplay). ALSA is not used exactly. The audio is an Android thing and we use it via the hybris layer to use the Android HAL
 I'm not entirely sure how audio from apps in libertine gets played. I think there is some magic to make pulseaudio available via dbus or such
 @dohbee, Oh, good to know!
 @dohbee, Ok, thanks!
[15:13] <zzarr> hello!
[15:13] <zzarr> what is the status of anbox?
[15:14] <Beton> Hello
[15:14] <Beton> as far as I know it works on 16.04
[15:15] <zzarr> nice
[15:16] <zzarr> I am getting a Planet Computers - Gemini PDA, a device that runs both Android and normal Linux
[15:16] <zzarr> they have shown that Debian boots/works on it
[15:16] <zzarr> so installing Ubuntu should be easy
[15:18] <zzarr> is it possible to install the Play store in anbox and install other apps through it?
 @zzarr, I'm working on UBPorts port for it
 I guess Play Store in Anbox is possible with some hacks, but you can use Yalp Store as well
[15:25] <Beton> Anbox site says that you can install Play Store
 It requires some changes in kernel config i think, so the ubuntu images have to be built to specifically support anbox. Currently only a few devices have that, I think.
[15:36] <zzarr> okey
[15:36] <zzarr> thanks
[15:48] <zzarr> I thought of something, would it be possible to run the android part in a vm with it's own kernel?
 I'm trying to start a new translation at the weblate site, in the UBports Docs /Documentation: about project. When I click "Start new translation", I get "Failed to add new translation file!". Are some special permissions needed for that?
 Hello, is there a way to let youtube play in the browser, even when the phone is locked? There are a lot of yt vids i rather listen to than watch.
 @zzarr, i mean, i guess if you want to run a full android in a VM, it's probably possible, but not advisable
 @zzarr, No, very complicated bc of hardware access. How to virtualize all drivers
 it is not how the anbox support in ubports will work, for sure
 @savetier, You can use utweaktool i think to force browser to stay alive
 you can do it only for youtube webapp instead, i think, to avoid having it always doing that in the main browser
 there's no way to do it per-site in the main browser
 Fwd from EverythingTechnology: “Biggest iPhone Code Leak?” — Source Code Of The Most Critical Part Of iOS Dumped On GitHub … http://ift.tt/2nRwQVV … @EverythingTechnology via reddit http://ift.tt/2EsAwHS
 little offtopic maybe, but someone here could be interested
 Good job it was removed! :)
 @popeydc, Yeah, DMCA
 well, it still should be possible to find by whoever who wants it
 @dohbee, Thank you very much, Rodney, that did do the trick ;)
 any idea where rotation lock stores the rotation it locks?
 @NotKit, a gsettings key, iirc
 https://github.com/ubports/unity8/commit/cc8051f66bf3569eb2dd6824d7c630a4d6f5a169 - I fount this commit, but it seems it was removed from current version/wasn't merged
 2014 was a loooooooooong time ago
 the rotation lock indicator didn't even exist then i do't think
 (I don't actually want rotation lock indicator, just to make sure it's landscape by default)
[16:25] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> From a user perspective, is there any big difference running the 15 stable vdrsk
[16:25] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Version to switching to the devel/16 one?
[16:26] <zzarr> I'm here again, but I'll be going in about 5 mins
[16:26] <zzarr> my IRC had problems
[16:28] <Beton> zzarr: you got some responses after you go
[16:29] <Beton> "<dohbee> @zzarr, i mean, i guess if you want to run a full android in a VM, it's probably possible, but not advisable", "<Flohack> @zzarr, No, very complicated bc of hardware access. How to virtualize all drivers"
[16:31] <zzarr> thanks for those lines Beton, I understand, I thought it was some reason that's not the solution in the first place
 zzarr, currently you need Android kernel and hybris anyway...
 @Jimmie Johnsson, well, 16.04 is not stable, so yeah, that's a pretty big difference
[16:32] <zzarr> will (if) google moving to there new kernel complicate anbox stuff very much?
 @NotKit, Free software developers shouldn't really look at it.
 several apps don't work, some features are not on par with what's in stable yet, etc
[16:32] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @dohbee yeah i understand that, but asides from that is there any big diff in user experience?
 the basics are the same
 the big difference in user experience is things are not stable. hence it is the devel branch :)
 @popeydc, I guess free software developers better avoid fully locked platform in the first place :)
[16:33] <zzarr> thanks for all the input, I will be moving now
[16:34] <zzarr> I will stay logged in so I can read the discussion tomorrow
 @popeydc, i don't look at code at all. i just smash keys and run the compiler, and it somehow manages to work
[16:34] <zzarr> bye
[16:34] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Ok. Kind of thinkin about messing around with the keyboard layout, if i manage to make any kind of progress with it and wanna contribute its better to be developing in main?
[16:35] <Beton> bye bye, zzarr
 @Jimmie Johnsson, you can create keyboard layouts and fix bugs in the keyboard, all straight on a PC. you don't need to switch the OS version on the phone to do it, unless you want to test the changes on that version on a device
[16:38] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> I think i will need to run it on the phone. Wanna fiddle around with it and see if i can make it feel smoother and nicer.
 Hi! Where is that UBports stores official images?
 on system-image.ubports.com
 but if you're looking for a zip file to flash with TWRP or such, you won't find one
 @dohbee, I know I know😂😂
 I😉
 https://hastebin.com/okeriwatid.cs
 @maharudra108, Bro check the error i can't figure out what to do
 @popeydc, Yeah, we still use that. then we have to mirror that. any time set when it will be killed?
 maybe better to ask for help with that in the halium group
 @mariogrip, no set date.
 @popeydc, ok, but will get that mirrored asap, will ping u once im done :)
 thanks!
 @wagafo, Hello.  @UniversalSuperBox is this a 'documentation' question and workflow or a 'UBlangs' question/workflow?  There is a link back and forth and we should sort this out.  For now if you could kindly respond since it's in documentation that would be great.
 @wayneoutthere, Probably it is more general than a "Documentation" question, since it may happen with any new translation in weblate that needs to add a language.
 right.
 what's your mother tongue?
 I'm trying to translate into Catalan (but it is not my mother tongue...)
 no problem.  but what is your monther tongue (I have a reason for asking)
 Well, hard to say, I was born Spanish speaking but I've lived in a Catalan speaking country for 40 years now, but this is off-topic, isn't it?
 Users are not allowed to add new languages because of how Sphinx works. If there's a large enough community around a language that we can expect the docs to be fully translated and updated in reasonable time (which would be Wayne's decision), we can open a new language up.
 Not really.  It's related to UBports.  And i'm helping with community stuff
 Catalan is already a fully translated language in most projects, this request is just for a couiple of projects that were recently added.
 last question for you: are you part of both catalan and spanish speaking groups here?
 Here's the languages that have full i18n support in Sphinx: http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/stable/config.html#confval-language
 I'm not part of the Spanish translation group
 I can add other languages, but they don't get the little headings like "note" translated.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Well, Catalan is in there...
 @wagafo, this is main group: https://t.me/UBPorts_ES … we are right now working on 'community structure stuff' so this is important because there are still some disconnections as well as some bridges we need.  Thanks for your feedback.
 But what has the Spanish group to do with my request? Spanish is a different language than Catalan
 My request is higher level.  I understand they are different
 i'm trying to figure out connection between language groups, language translation groups and documentation
 and thanks for your help/feedback and Dalton will help you with the rest
 (I think he did)
 Fine. I still don't understand fully this conversation. Catalan is listed in the Sphynx page that Dalton mentioned, but I get an error when I click "Add new language" at those couple o projects recently added in weblate
 Right, you can't add it.
 I have to add it.
 So that's why I asked if the community is large enough
 Because each language adds more fun
 But it is already added in all projects, even in yunit it is one of the only three languages fully translated. It is just in UBports DOcs and Webpage where it is not added
 And the community is pretty large
 Okay, I'll add it to my list of things to do
 @Flohack, were you ever able to get the translations committed?
 Thanks a lot Dalton and Wayne!
 @wagafo, thank you also for your hard work!
[18:41] <Beton> I know C, C++ and Lua, I know basics of C++ QT library, but don't know QML (I usually use other libraries), is there any thing I can help with Ubuntu Touch with my skills? I don't have any experience with contributing open-source projects. I want to try, but I don't know how to start.
 @Beton, https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiQqoSU_pbZAhXmDcAKHZ_iDegQFggvMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fqmlbook.github.io%2Fassets%2Fqt5_cadaques.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0WeTKuAX5-1hhnNNYP0QSH
 ugh google links
 @Beton, not all contributions need be code
 testing and filing bugs, is contribution
 And I think I made an error link
 documentation is contribution
 you can go through all the issues in the repositories under https://github.com/ubports if you want, and find something to work on, or if you already have an idea of something to work on, just do it and make a PR
[19:01] <Beton> @dohbee I know, I made some translations, but I want to try contribute with code. Do I need some special tools, or simple IDE is enough?
 well, a github account and git knowledge would probably be helpful
[19:02] <Beton> I know git and I'm using it for my projects.
 but first you need to find something to work on, really.
 can you work on Unity8 bugs especially with convergence :P
 that's not helpful, Kugi :)
 just kidding sorry.....I did had my very first PR some time ago
 I think it would be better if he's really using UT and personally knows a bug that he really wants to fix
[19:07] <Beton> I have some ideas, but I have trouble involving myself to code written by somone else. I think its because I am home-taught programmer :P
 right
 how long have you been programming?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Will do today. Was lazy with resolving the huge merge conflict
 @JABUTIKO, And check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for more information about language groups and faqs.
 @Flohack, Seriously, just force it. I can update the pofiles again.
 @maxxxroma, And check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for more information about language groups and faqs.
 @Beton, I'm a bit the same....I don't like working on others work and I don't like others working on my work LOL but if you really want a bug to be fixed and you think you can do it yourself...you'll find tje courage
 it's actually fun 😄
[19:25] <Beton> @dohbee It's hard to say exactly how long, I started with programming microcontrollers in C around 2012 (before I wrote some code in BASCOM too), around 2013 I started writing scripts in Lua, and later programming in C and C++ on PC.
 so not long :)
 just get over the temporary shock and dive in
[19:56] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Is mir the dislay server used in the 16.4 devel branch too?
 Yes
[20:03] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Just started to dig in the code of the different components and saw that one sitting there
 there is no version of unity8 which doesn't require mir, currently
[20:06] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> From what i have read it runs gl and the hardware driver of the nexus gpu id freedreno. That sounds right?
[20:07] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Or is there some other one being bundled with ubuntu touch?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ok wilco
 @Jimmie Johnsson, no, the hardware drivers are the blobs in the android side used by the kernel
 Mir uses EGL though
 or on PCs, normal GL is used
[20:16] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Yeah i noticed that it uses egl. And i looked at spreadsheet of the drivers attached to different gpus of qualcomm. The one that runs on nexus names the freedreno for adreno 330 (gpu of nexus 5). Curious if that is bundled in the android kernel of this one
[20:17] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Or if it is using something else
 https://docs.ubports.com/ro/latest/porting/running-ut.html#display-settings
 is there a way to make sure those settings got actually picked up?
 @NotKit, Did stuff get scaled? :)
 not exactly sure, but looks like it did
 NATIVE_ORIENTATION=landscape did nothing though
 Then yes, probably.
 To see if your device is set right, do `dmesg |grep 'device is'`
 I think that's the line at least
 [    6.286965] initrd: device is aeon6797_6m_n
 ok, I guessed device name right
 any idea what daemon is responsible for detecting rotation then?
 @NotKit, there is none. rotation is done inside the shell and apps, through qt
 but there must be some component that reads the sensor values and reports it to shell/apps?
 @Jimmie Johnsson, There is Freedreno which theoretically works, but I don't think the Android kernels are using that.
 @NotKit, sensord maybe? i'm not sure if it does rotation specifically, but i guess it probably proxies accelerometer data over from hybris
[20:35] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @dohbee anyone tried playing around with it (freedreno)?
 in relation to UT, i don't know. i know that the dragonboard stuff was using it though
 with the mir kiosk stuff on snappy
[20:38] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> It would be cool to look into it. I always had a weak spot for gl. But im sensing it could be a daunting task to make it work with the rest of the android kernel. Also, not sure if it would give any benefit compared to whatever is bundled in android already
 @dohbee, https://github.com/ubports/usensord - usensord?
 yeah, usensord
 @Jimmie Johnsson, Well, I mean you would still need all the other binary blobs on the device to use radio or anything, so there isn't a huge benefit to using freedreno in that case
 from code it looks it only has haptic
 it seems something is wrong with AppArmor config on my device though: https://bpaste.net/show/aeb2f21d3a67
[20:48] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Well, found an libEGL_adreno.so in the system/vendor/lib/egl dir on the phone - so yeah it probably is already running the freedno driver i would guess )
[20:48] <tgBot1> A L was added by: A L
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 @Jimmie Johnsson, no, it's running Android driver
 Freedreno would require it to run mainline kernel
 @NotKit, No, those look expected
 browser and lots of other apps won't start though
[20:55] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @NotKit so that library file is just sitting there unused or it just isnt the freedreno one?
 isn't the freedreno one
 Freedreno would use MESA
[20:57] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @NotKit ah. Anyone know the freedreno one is better than whatever android ships?
 it's open source alternative, probably worse performance/feature wise, but is way better in compatibility with normal Linux userspace
 using it with phone would require mainline or at least fairly new kernel compared to what is shipped with Android
 @Jimmie Johnsson, No. It's using EGL through Android via libhybris.
 I think the best demonstration of the performance of Freedreno will be the devices which run Replicant for now
 it's also used on few postmarketOS devices
 Hello. Do you have any idea when the Ubworks 16.04 openstore will be functional?
[21:05] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Ah. So that is why ppl havent tried out freedreno with ubuntu touch?
 @NotKit, on 16.04? that is a known issue currently yes
 em, really? from what I read on channel, it should be mostly functionality-same to vivid
 @NotKit, nope, even calc is broken
 calc seems to start
[21:13] <tgBot1> atulyadavofficial was added by: ksdme
 @Jimmie Johnsson, The cost/benefit ratio is very high. Getting one more free driver, while the rest are still binary blobs, and with probably less performance, isn't generally helpful to getting things working smoothly
 @NotKit, browser is broken (and thus webapps too i think), a few apps will work, but mostly it is not as stable as vivid, no
 @vanyasem, here's a video from a working port. as you can see, most apps crash or are unusable
 calc starts, but does not work at all
 that's HTC 10 btw and the performance is amazing
 well, is this the same on official devices though?
 @NotKit, yes
 mostly yes
 having Anbox without browser feels weird to me
 @NotKit, 16.04 is not released yet, so it's supposed to be broken
 it's in early alpha stage. i'm glad that it boots
 i remember Unity 8 refused to start a few months ago and so you could not even finish setup process. that's big progress
 btw, calc accepts input from hw keyboard
 I guess something is wrong with touch events
 @NotKit, i can't test that, but it's weird
 i trust you :P
 @vanyasem, well it's not supposed to be broken. it's just that a lot of the work that went into 16.04 by canonical isn't applicable to just keeping ubuntu working on phones, and so there's a bit of difficulty in getting things up to par
 iirc a lot of the apps need to be rebuilt against updated libs in 16.04 among other things
 @Lyokanthrope, what actually shipped in ubuntu 16.04 is way behind what was in the last 15.04 images, and what shipped in the phone PPA for 16.04 was way ahead and focused more on a migration to snaps and getting unity8 usable as a default environment for 18.04; which now is not happening of course
[21:28] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @dohbee, Yeah i would agree, sounds like be a lot of work for a small gain. Weml
 and all the trunks of projects were at that latter point, so it's going to take a lot of work to pull out just the needed fixes for ubports, without going full snaps
[21:28] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> *well, thanks everyone for answering my questions.
 fair enough
[21:29] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Have a nice evening gonna hit the bed
 so the only working rootfs is still vivid, but it won't work with Halium?
 the goal is to switch to halium with 16.04, as i understand, yes
 16.04 "works" but it does have some issues
 I checed https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues and it seems browser is supposed to work
 It works on regular devices... it's possible that there's something different with Halium
 I don't have a working device to test with
 ah right, current supported devices on 16.04 on image server aren't built with halium
 should be worth debugging then
 on regular devices, what is the proper way to start apps from ssh?
 ubuntu-app-launch <appid>
 `ubuntu-app-launch-appids` to list available ones
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[23:41] <tgBot1> <Ram Avtar> Which mobile you suggest for
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