| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 07:12 |
|---|---|---|
| duflu | Morning oSoMoN | 07:20 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 07:23 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:39 |
| tjaalton | duflu: should i965-va-driver be installed by default in bionic? | 07:47 |
| duflu | tjaalton, yes it's required... | 07:47 |
| tjaalton | well it's not here | 07:47 |
| tjaalton | just installed bionic the other day | 07:48 |
| duflu | tjaalton, but it comes from ubuntu-restricted-addons | 07:48 |
| tjaalton | ah | 07:48 |
| duflu | So many installs might be missing it initially | 07:48 |
| duflu | tjaalton, I was about to attempt bisecting Mesa... unless you're more practiced at at | 07:48 |
| duflu | at it | 07:48 |
| tjaalton | would be better to test 18.0.0-rc1 first | 07:49 |
| duflu | tjaalton, sounds optimistic :) | 07:49 |
| tjaalton | we'll get rcN in a week or two | 07:49 |
| tjaalton | in bionic | 07:49 |
| tjaalton | is that corruption bug hw specific? | 07:50 |
| tjaalton | seems fine on kbl | 07:50 |
| tjaalton | though the video clip probably matters too.. | 07:51 |
| tjaalton | yeah | 07:53 |
| tjaalton | reproduced the bug now | 07:54 |
| tjaalton | all I see is some static | 07:54 |
| duflu | I fear we might end up blaming clutter-gst-3.0 for "always having done it wrong". But at least bisecting where the problem started in Mesa will be useful | 07:55 |
| tjaalton | I have 18.0.0-rc2 on a ppa but it's built against libglvnd, so I'll test that combo first | 07:57 |
| tjaalton | broken | 07:58 |
| tjaalton | now this machine is tainted, going back is painful :) | 07:59 |
| tjaalton | so I'll grab another one | 07:59 |
| duflu | tjaalton, OK I've got my Mesa bisection groove on | 08:10 |
| duflu | Give me a while | 08:10 |
| willcooke | morning gang | 08:47 |
| duflu | Morning willcooke | 08:58 |
| duflu | tjaalton, bisection complete. See the upstream bug. Looks very easy to revert | 08:59 |
| didrocks | morning willcooke | 08:59 |
| tjaalton | getting mesa through -proposed is anything bug | 08:59 |
| tjaalton | but | 08:59 |
| duflu | Yeah fair enough | 09:00 |
| duflu | And morning didrocks | 09:00 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 09:00 |
| tjaalton | I'll see that it's fixed in 18, once we roll out glvnd | 09:00 |
| * oSoMoN does the little ifinallymanagedtobuildalibreoffice6snap dance | 09:04 | |
| oSoMoN | on to testing it actually works | 09:06 |
| duflu | tjaalton, would it be correct to assume a single patch update is too much trouble? | 09:06 |
| tjaalton | duflu: it's the racy/broken autopkgtests that need hand-holding | 09:06 |
| duflu | tjaalton, OK. No problem... I'll leave it with you and upstream | 09:07 |
| tjaalton | I'll push 18.0.0-rc3 to proposed early next week | 09:07 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 09:11 |
| willcooke | hey seb128 | 09:11 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke, how are things in the u.k today? | 09:11 |
| willcooke | bit chilly, little bit of snow, but the sun is coming out | 09:11 |
| willcooke | andyrock, bug #1637984 - verification done on artful and xenial | 09:12 |
| ubot5 | bug 1637984 in udisks2 (Ubuntu Bionic) "Disks shows all mounted snaps" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637984 | 09:12 |
| willcooke | thanks for fixing it! | 09:12 |
| duflu | Morning seb128 | 09:12 |
| seb128 | hey duflu | 09:13 |
| seb128 | willcooke, thanks for testing the SRU :) | 09:13 |
| seb128 | and yeah, good work andyrock | 09:13 |
| duflu | seb128, the totem bug has been bisected in Mesa. Looks easy and justifiable to undo | 09:13 |
| seb128 | way to get things done properly, he worked through several iterations with upstream until they were happy, fixing tests issues not related to his changes on the way | 09:13 |
| duflu | willcooke, remind me - did we have any conversation that might have touched on this? https://trello.com/c/ptr7qnhJ | 09:17 |
| willcooke | duflu, we kinda did. It needed doing but no one had time to work on it so it got pushed to the bottom of the heap | 09:18 |
| willcooke | oh | 09:18 |
| seb128 | duflu, good, that makes more sense than being totem itself | 09:18 |
| duflu | willcooke, OK. Was there a card/bug for it before today? | 09:18 |
| willcooke | right, was just going to say, I think I misread it | 09:18 |
| seb128 | duflu, willcooke, https://trello.com/c/9GI3EFh2/122-bug1686081-if-synaptics-is-installed-gnome-mouse-touchpad-settings-doesnt-work | 09:18 |
| willcooke | There was one about U7 needing fixes | 09:18 |
| willcooke | thanks seb128 | 09:19 |
| seb128 | np | 09:19 |
| duflu | seb128, wouldn't that entail more work? We could resolve the main issue by automatically removing synaptics on upgrade | 09:19 |
| oSoMoN | good morning seb128 | 09:20 |
| seb128 | lut oSoMoN | 09:20 |
| seb128 | duflu, doing what is more work? | 09:20 |
| duflu | seb128, making gnome-control-centre support synaptics would be extra unnecessary work, compared to just removing the synaptics package as part of the upgrade process | 09:21 |
| seb128 | duflu, did anyone suggest doing that? | 09:21 |
| duflu | seb128, yes that's the problem discovered in today's bug. The whole panel doesn't work because he upgraded from an older series where synaptics was installed | 09:22 |
| seb128 | duflu, the suggested fix was to make unity-control-center work with libinput so synaptic can be made to be forced removed without creating issues if you have GNOME & Unity both installed | 09:22 |
| duflu | So upgraders don't get the control panel | 09:23 |
| seb128 | duflu, that's https://trello.com/c/X7gznOHG/132-libinput-support-for-unity-7 | 09:23 |
| duflu | seb128, OK so that's a completely different issue | 09:23 |
| seb128 | well, it's the same | 09:23 |
| seb128 | we need to remove synaptic | 09:23 |
| seb128 | but doing that creates issues for unity | 09:23 |
| didrocks | duflu: you still have unity (and such unity-control-center) installed on upgrade | 09:23 |
| seb128 | which is why we couldn't do it | 09:23 |
| didrocks | so* | 09:23 |
| duflu | didrocks, Ah yes. OK | 09:24 |
| seb128 | I think we are going to need to force remove it and the unity guys are going to need to fix it | 09:27 |
| seb128 | duflu, I think you wanted to keep the option to let users install synaptic instead of libinput though ... does it still stand with the recent improvements? | 09:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: +1, maybe post that on the community hub on their unity topic as a head's up? | 09:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, I was thinking the same, I'm going to do that now | 09:29 |
| duflu | seb128, the reasons for reverting from libinput to synaptics are *mostly* gone. Not completely | 09:34 |
| duflu | It might also be easy to copy 'synclient' code into a patch against gnome-control-centre. | 09:36 |
| seb128 | upstream is not going to want that so it would be a distro patch | 09:36 |
| seb128 | and doesn't seem a good use of our resources to maintain that | 09:36 |
| seb128 | we pretty much have agreement than libinput is the way to go so we should better focus on making that good enough | 09:37 |
| duflu | seb128, I think the argument against doing Unity work on it is at least as strong. Unity7 is legacy _and_ at least Unity7 users have a command line tool (synclient). If they really prefer Unity7 strongly and don't switch often then just reinstall synaptics | 09:39 |
| seb128 | right, we (as our team) don't plan to do that work | 09:41 |
| seb128 | the community people who picked up unity might though | 09:41 |
| seb128 | up to them | 09:41 |
| duflu | seb128, what we could upstream is a change to gnome-control-centre to detect if libinput is not in use... maybe. And add a message to the control panel | 09:43 |
| duflu | Although presently it only talks gsettings or whatever. So looking for a real backend might be going too far | 09:44 |
| seb128 | that would be useful | 09:44 |
| seb128 | but if we remove synaptic on updates it shouldn't be a common situation | 09:45 |
| duflu | Although it does conditionally show/hide touchpad settings already. There is some detection there | 09:45 |
| seb128 | right | 09:46 |
| duflu | seb128, yeah removing it on upgrade would probably create the fewest bug reports | 09:46 |
| seb128 | I'm unsure if we should conflict to avoid people installing it and then getting their g-c-c that stops working | 09:46 |
| * duflu is assuming more people don't complain about libinput's performance | 09:46 | |
| seb128 | but at the same time we know by experience that if we do that some people are going to copy an "apt install ...synaptic" line from the internet | 09:47 |
| seb128 | not read the apt text | 09:47 |
| seb128 | and say yes to uninstall GNOME | 09:47 |
| seb128 | or g-c-c | 09:47 |
| seb128 | and then not understand why they GNOME session went away | 09:47 |
| didrocks | hum, good point… | 09:47 |
| duflu | seb128, conflicts result in questions during upgrade right? (I forget, it's been so long) | 09:47 |
| didrocks | should we just do that via do-release-upgrade thus? | 09:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, that would be my preference | 09:48 |
| didrocks | sounds good to me | 09:48 |
| seb128 | not ideal because then some people might install it for unity or because they read on a forum it solves their libinput issue | 09:48 |
| seb128 | and then have g-c-c to bug | 09:48 |
| didrocks | yeah… | 09:48 |
| duflu | seb128, wouldn't conflicting packages then prevent people from having both installed later? | 09:48 |
| seb128 | maybe we should add a warning to the panel saying so | 09:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: I guess that worthes it, shouldn't be complex | 09:49 |
| * seb128 adds to trello | 09:49 | |
| didrocks | I'm happy to deal with that later on (just testing a file on disk) | 09:49 |
| andyrock | seb128 willcooke thanks! | 09:49 |
| didrocks | can be a bug fix anyway | 09:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thx | 09:49 |
| seb128 | good morning andyrock :) how are you doing today? | 09:49 |
| andyrock | and good morning all! | 09:49 |
| andyrock | seb128 fine fine | 09:52 |
| andyrock | I'm planning to ask upstream if they are willing to accept an Ubuntu sso goa provider | 09:52 |
| seb128 | nice | 09:53 |
| seb128 | didrocks, duflu, the other way that would be robust would be to have the conflict and delete synaptic from the archive so it's not an apt away, but I don't know if some users still need synaptic for valid reason and if that's unnice to the unity people | 09:57 |
| duflu | seb128, certainly it's very useful. And the only input stack that is easily configurable on the command line. | 09:58 |
| duflu | libinput isn't there yet | 09:58 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, also others DE might require synaptic as well? | 09:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I think tjaalton said unity was the only remaining one | 09:59 |
| tjaalton | only unity is unable to configure libinput | 09:59 |
| didrocks | oh, interesting | 09:59 |
| didrocks | well, maybe try to convince the community unity people doing this work and remove from the archive :) | 09:59 |
| tjaalton | good luck with that :) | 10:00 |
| didrocks | well, they decided to take the maintenance over, so, this isn't a free "there is nothing to do, easy" :p | 10:01 |
| tjaalton | yeah, but after trying to make it happen for ~2y(?) while unity was the thing and it didn't, now there's maybe a month or two to make the same :) | 10:02 |
| * duflu switches to chef mode | 10:02 | |
| duflu | Later | 10:02 |
| tjaalton | of course can just drop the driver and say "live with it, or adapt" | 10:02 |
| didrocks | duflu: enjoy cooking :) | 10:03 |
| seb128 | duflu, enjoy your evening! | 10:03 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, right, that's what I was wondering but duflu believes it's still useful to have and cover cases that libinput doesn't | 10:03 |
| tjaalton | right, it's not much of a maintenance burden | 10:06 |
| seb128 | https://trello.com/c/ptr7qnhJ/211-bug1733032-touchpad-settings-dont-work-after-upgrading-to-1710-because-xserver-xorg-input-synaptics-is-still-installed updated for those interested | 10:08 |
| seb128 | it has a summary of what was discussed here | 10:08 |
| tjaalton | I have a desktop that I just upgraded to bionic where it doesn't have any settings for the mouse :) | 10:09 |
| tjaalton | which is weird | 10:09 |
| seb128 | right, we need to solve that | 10:09 |
| tjaalton | well, just for the left/right button, but no speed adjust | 10:09 |
| seb128 | is that because synaptic is still installed after upgrade? | 10:09 |
| seb128 | or another issue? | 10:10 |
| tjaalton | something else | 10:10 |
| seb128 | :/ | 10:10 |
| tjaalton | synaptics isn't installed | 10:10 |
| seb128 | it probably doesn't detect your touchapd as one | 10:10 |
| seb128 | like it thinks it's a mouse or something | 10:10 |
| tjaalton | a fresh install on a laptop has it right | 10:10 |
| seb128 | we had a few such reports in the past | 10:10 |
| tjaalton | it's a desktop | 10:10 |
| seb128 | oh | 10:10 |
| tjaalton | the keyboard has a nipple mouse | 10:11 |
| seb128 | same, maybe it doesn't detect the right device | 10:11 |
| tjaalton | could be | 10:11 |
| seb128 | feel free to open a bug | 10:11 |
| seb128 | maybe upstream as well if you can | 10:11 |
| tjaalton | against? | 10:11 |
| seb128 | gnome-control-center | 10:11 |
| tjaalton | ok | 10:11 |
| seb128 | thx | 10:11 |
| seb128 | k, I need to step out for a bit, some errands and early lunch | 10:11 |
| seb128 | bbl | 10:11 |
| GunnarHj | Hi seb128! As a result of the util-linux upload, autopkgtest for open-iscsi failed (time out) for amd64. Maybe restart that test again? | 10:12 |
| didrocks | see you later seb128 | 10:12 |
| GunnarHj | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#util-linux | 10:12 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, done | 10:15 |
| seb128 | thx for keeping an eye on those | 10:15 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: N.p. I was the noise maker. :) | 10:15 |
| tjaalton | filed bug 1748152 | 10:22 |
| ubot5 | bug 1748152 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Nipple mouse on a Lenovo Thinkpad USB keyboard is not detected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748152 | 10:22 |
| tjaalton | hm, changed the headline | 10:22 |
| oSoMoN | chrisccoulson, is publishing chromium-browser 64.0.3282.140 from the stage PPA on your list? | 10:27 |
| chrisccoulson | oSoMoN, it can be added to my list with a bribe | 10:28 |
| chrisccoulson | (j/k) ;) | 10:28 |
| andyrock | seb128: upstream agreed to have an UbuntuSSO provider in goa (a provider talking with snapd and not with the online server) | 10:57 |
| andyrock | we need to maintain it of course | 10:57 |
| andyrock | seb128: we might need an UbuntuOne icon for goa | 11:51 |
| andyrock | should I ask the community to create one? | 11:52 |
| willcooke | andyrock, I think we already have one | 11:58 |
| willcooke | well, not for goa | 11:58 |
| willcooke | Robert uses it in G-Software | 11:58 |
| andyrock | not sure that's going to be ok | 11:58 |
| andyrock | we need a squared one | 11:59 |
| willcooke | ah right | 11:59 |
| andyrock | http://www.softicons.com/social-media-icons/alike-icons-by-bokehlicia/ubuntu-one-icon | 11:59 |
| andyrock | something like this | 11:59 |
| andyrock | but with the proper licence | 11:59 |
| andyrock | *license | 11:59 |
| willcooke | andyrock, can we just cut the u1 part from the logo and use that? What size does it need to be? | 12:03 |
| andyrock | 96x96 | 12:04 |
| andyrock | they I can rescale them to all the other needed sizes | 12:05 |
| andyrock | having a pure squared one will feel more gnome-ish | 12:05 |
| willcooke | andyrock, oki, lemme see what I can do. Asking in #design for a high res icon that I can trim | 12:05 |
| andyrock | willcooke: https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ximg_588a65fed1ffc.png.pagespeed.gp+jp+jw+pj+js+rj+rp+rw+ri+cp+md.ic.pht2CIym-v.png | 12:06 |
| andyrock | something that looks like these icons | 12:07 |
| willcooke | andyrock, do they add the border automatically? | 12:13 |
| andyrock | nope | 12:13 |
| willcooke | kk | 12:14 |
| willcooke | andyrock, dont suppose you've found any design guidelines for those icons? | 12:27 |
| willcooke | I've made something that looks "ok" | 12:28 |
| andyrock | nice :D | 12:28 |
| andyrock | well I didn't had time | 12:28 |
| andyrock | I had to "ok to go" from upstream today | 12:28 |
| andyrock | if we don't upstream this we can't use goa | 12:29 |
| andyrock | not easily at least | 12:29 |
| seb128 | andyrock, good news! | 12:30 |
| seb128 | andyrock, where did you discuss that? IRC? bug? | 12:30 |
| andyrock | seb128: I discuessed with rishi privately | 12:31 |
| seb128 | k, cool | 12:31 |
| willcooke | andyrock, https://imgur.com/a/Rgyx9 (it's a screenshot because otherwise you cant see the drop shadow properly) - WDYT? (cc seb128_) | 12:33 |
| andyrock | kk for me | 12:33 |
| andyrock | thanks | 12:33 |
| seb128 | willcooke, looks good to my non-designer eyes | 12:34 |
| willcooke | :) "that'll do" | 12:34 |
| willcooke | wfm | 12:34 |
| seb128 | :-) | 12:34 |
| willcooke | :) | 12:34 |
| andyrock | seb128: willcooke https://pastebin.canonical.com/209555/ | 12:34 |
| willcooke | oki, andyrock I will send you the xcf so you can fiddle if you like | 12:34 |
| seb128 | andyrock, thx | 12:36 |
| andyrock | i'm preparing a ppa with the patched goa | 12:36 |
| willcooke | hmm, it might need more of a border, hold on | 12:36 |
| andyrock | I'm just having some troubles with quilt and images | 12:36 |
| jbicha | andyrock: btw, Canonical pastebin isn't public | 12:37 |
| jbicha | oh maybe that was intentionally private anyway | 12:37 |
| andyrock | jbicha: i didn't feel confident sharing a private conversation with asking rishi | 12:37 |
| andyrock | :D | 12:37 |
| andyrock | *without | 12:37 |
| jbicha | ok, that's fine :) | 12:37 |
| andyrock | if you're interested I can send you the logs | 12:38 |
| jbicha | no need, I'm not closely following GOA stuff :) | 12:39 |
| andyrock | kk | 12:39 |
| andyrock | seb128: with quilt I'm getting this for images | 12:39 |
| jbicha | sorry about the noise | 12:39 |
| andyrock | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qoTmVu04/ | 12:39 |
| seb128 | andyrock, you can't include binaries in a diff ... how did you include those? | 12:40 |
| jbicha | it might be possible with git | 12:40 |
| andyrock | ah so I don't include them in the quilt patch but just in the debdiff | 12:41 |
| seb128 | no | 12:41 |
| andyrock | hmmm | 12:41 |
| seb128 | andyrock, what is in debian/source/format? | 12:41 |
| seb128 | is that a 3.0 (quilt)? | 12:42 |
| jbicha | like on Tuesday, I experimented with cherry-picking this patch using git-buildpackage and it seemed to work. I had to add the patch filename to debian/source/include-binaries though | 12:42 |
| andyrock | 3.0 (quilt) | 12:42 |
| jbicha | https://git.gnome.org/browse/swell-foop/commit/?id=17791c375 | 12:42 |
| seb128 | andyrock, right, then you can add the image to debian/ | 12:42 |
| seb128 | and list it in debian/source/include-binaries | 12:42 |
| jbicha | and conveniently enough, Ubuntu 18.04's GOA is synced with Debian which does use git… | 12:42 |
| seb128 | like you add a line "debian/icon.png" to that file | 12:42 |
| andyrock | jbicha: yeah I'm using salsa for this | 12:43 |
| jbicha | andyrock: is this only for 18.04? | 12:43 |
| andyrock | jbicha: yep | 12:43 |
| andyrock | so I switch to the 3.26.2-2 branch | 12:44 |
| andyrock | then "gbp pq import" | 12:45 |
| andyrock | then cherry-picks | 12:45 |
| andyrock | then "gbp pq export" | 12:45 |
| andyrock | but I can some noise with binaries | 12:45 |
| andyrock | I'll try with debian/source/include-binaries | 12:45 |
| jbicha | what's the exact error you got? | 12:46 |
| andyrock | no error just weird chars in the quilt patch | 12:46 |
| andyrock | I cannot even pastebin them | 12:47 |
| jbicha | yes, it will look funny because it's a binary diff, but I think if you add the patch filename to debian/source/include-binaries it will work | 12:47 |
| willcooke | giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimp | 13:01 |
| willcooke | why are you so hard to us | 13:01 |
| willcooke | e | 13:01 |
| seb128 | would be nice to have a simple "paint" | 13:05 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, util-linux retry worked, it migrated | 13:17 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Great! | 13:17 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: I've played with pkgbinarymangler. If we skip the md5sums verifications in test/run for now, it builds on bionic. Would that be an acceptable workaround for now? | 13:18 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, it would be better to fix it, that's on my list for today | 13:19 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Absolutely. I have a patch ready if you give up. ;) | 13:20 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, can you share it in any case so I see how you worked around it? | 13:27 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Sure, then I'll submit it on the bug report. | 13:28 |
| seb128 | thanks | 13:29 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkgbinarymangler/+bug/1688994/comments/10 | 13:33 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1688994 in pkgbinarymangler (Ubuntu) "dh-translations: cannot build POT without intltool" [High,In progress] | 13:33 |
| andyrock | jbicha: for debian/source/include-binaries to work, the new icons have to be in debian/* ? | 13:42 |
| jbicha | no, the patch itself is a "binary", so just add the patch file name (debian/patches/0001_make-it-more-awesome.patch) to debian/source/include-binaries | 13:44 |
| andyrock | ahh | 13:46 |
| andyrock | thanks | 13:46 |
| willcooke | you know how it's super-click instead of alt-click to drag a window around by the middle, is that a Wayland thing or a gnome-shell thing? | 14:21 |
| jbicha | willcooke: it's a GNOME default. You can change it back to Alt in GNOME Tweaks > Windows > Window Action Key | 14:22 |
| willcooke | thanks jbicha | 14:24 |
| willcooke | I saw talk of it the other day in here, did we decide to change it to alt-click? | 14:25 |
| willcooke | Cos I /think/ we should. It's been that way for ever, and I only discovered it because I read it in here | 14:25 |
| mvo | hm, since my upgrade to bionic my mouse is unbearable fast. is there something to tweak this? | 14:26 |
| jbicha | willcooke: but why are you familiar with it? is it more important to maintain compatibility with how things used to work in GNOME 2 or do things more logically for now? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | willcooke, is that https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-18-04-move-window-without-tilebar-by-press-and-hold-alt-click-inside-window/3801/4 ? | 14:28 |
| willcooke | jbicha, fair question, but I think even Motif did it that way (alt-click), so I do wonder if we should stick with alt | 14:29 |
| seb128 | willcooke, the issues from understand are that 1- other actions use super so it would be consitent, 2- alt is used by some apps and claiming it for shell actions creates conflicts and make some actions impossible to do in those apps | 14:29 |
| seb128 | willcooke, e.g https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/24473/alt-click-is-not-selecting-edge-loops-in-linux | 14:29 |
| willcooke | ah, yes that's where I saw it | 14:29 |
| willcooke | kk, then I think we need to socialise it a bit more. I can do that. | 14:30 |
| seb128 | history/habits has values | 14:30 |
| seb128 | but sometime it's worth forcing users to adapt their habits | 14:30 |
| seb128 | right | 14:30 |
| kenvandine | and the nice shortcuts overlay will help :) | 14:30 |
| seb128 | hey kenvandine! | 14:31 |
| seb128 | right | 14:31 |
| seb128 | but that's not for this cycle | 14:31 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 14:31 |
| kenvandine | this is yet another case for why we need that overlay | 14:31 |
| seb128 | andyrock, this time you can move the disks card to done :) | 14:36 |
| oSoMoN | https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-libreoffice-6-0-0/3917 | 15:36 |
| oSoMoN | and https://plus.google.com/+OlivierTilloy/posts/ADH83TytCab | 15:38 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, woooot | 15:38 |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, woot | 15:41 |
| oSoMoN | I wish I'd had it ready *before* FOSDEM, but better late than never… | 15:42 |
| * ricotz feels pressured now ;) | 15:42 | |
| jbicha | seb128: I think I'll upload adwaita-icon-theme 3.27.90 to bionic now https://git.gnome.org/browse/adwaita-icon-theme/tree/NEWS | 15:55 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, yeah, it's not late after :) | 15:55 |
| seb128 | jbicha, sounds fine to me | 16:06 |
| willcooke | nice work oSoMoN | 17:24 |
| willcooke | didrocks, re: dock. Say I have two terminal windows open and I switch between them via the dock. The most recently used one is always at the top right? Personally I find that very confusing, sometimes the terminal that I want is the top one, and sometimes its the bottom one. Would it be possible to fix it (probably as an option? :( ) so that the windows are always the same place in the stack? | 17:37 |
| jbicha | jibel: could you forward your nm-config-connectivity change to Debian? I mentioned it to mbiebl earlier and he didn't seem to understand why it was needed | 17:37 |
| jbicha | oh nice, Khurshid is working on getting GOA working in unity-control-center (see the Community Hub) | 17:42 |
| didrocks | willcooke: hum, I need to look at the code, I find the current (stack order) making more sense to me | 17:57 |
| didrocks | willcooke: but it doesn't prevent to open a bug upstream | 17:57 |
| * didrocks finally started to get some reviews on G-S, but on styling and naming, so doing the changes (but profound changes incoming I guess) | 17:58 | |
| willcooke | didrocks, ack, thanks | 18:15 |
| doko | oSoMoN: libreoffice is now blocking migrations. will you upload 6 before the weekend, or could you fix the current build? | 18:19 |
| willcooke | night all | 18:23 |
| doko | oSoMoN: never mind, upload building with the internal liborcus | 18:38 |
| oSoMoN | doko, ack, that's good news because I have other urgent work before EOW | 18:43 |
| doko | oSoMoN: crap, now fails with another error: | 18:57 |
| doko | In file included from /usr/include/glm/gtx/norm.hpp:18:0, | 18:57 |
| doko | from /<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/vcl/inc/opengl/VertexUtils.hxx:16, | 18:57 |
| doko | from /<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/vcl/opengl/gdiimpl.cxx:39: | 18:57 |
| doko | /usr/include/glm/gtx/quaternion.hpp:23:3: error: #error "GLM: GLM_GTX_quaternion is an experimental extension and may change in the future. Use #define GLM_ENABLE_EXPERIMENTAL before including it, if you really want to use it." | 18:57 |
| doko | # error "GLM: GLM_GTX_quaternion is an experimental extension and may change in the future. Use #define GLM_ENABLE_EXPERIMENTAL before including it, if you really want to use it." | 18:57 |
| doko | ^~~~~ | 18:57 |
| doko | In file included from /<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/vcl/inc/opengl/VertexUtils.hxx:16:0, | 18:57 |
| doko | from /<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/vcl/opengl/gdiimpl.cxx:39: | 18:57 |
| doko | /usr/include/glm/gtx/norm.hpp:21:3: error: #error "GLM: GLM_GTX_norm is an experimental extension and may change in the future. Use #define GLM_ENABLE_EXPERIMENTAL before including it, if you really want to use it." | 18:57 |
| doko | # error "GLM: GLM_GTX_norm is an experimental extension and may change in the future. Use #define GLM_ENABLE_EXPERIMENTAL before including it, if you really want to use it." | 18:57 |
| doko | ^~~~~ | 18:57 |
| doko | there is a reason why you should keep packages buildable ... | 18:57 |
| oSoMoN | doko, that's already fixed in the 6.0 branch | 19:00 |
| oSoMoN | https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?id=25c4af24b858087b3bd375ce8fad847b1affd484 | 19:00 |
| doko | oSoMoN: I assume it's not yet ready for upload? | 19:02 |
| seb128 | doko, "keep packages buildable", that's a joke right? the package are kept buildable, it's just that when things keep changing and create issues it takes time to keep up | 19:02 |
| jbicha | obviously LibreOffice built fine a week ago | 19:02 |
| doko | no, a week ago, it wasn't building | 19:03 |
| seb128 | if there something buggy there is to upload a new version without handling fixing rdepends | 19:03 |
| jbicha | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.4.4-0ubuntu2 | 19:03 |
| doko | seb128: no, it's not a joke. it's real life | 19:03 |
| seb128 | new version of glm | 19:03 |
| doko | I didn't upload | 19:03 |
| seb128 | right, neither did o_SoMoN | 19:03 |
| doko | so do we have magic dwarfs and elfs fixing build failures? | 19:04 |
| seb128 | your complain is that whoever synced glm didn't handle the transition | 19:04 |
| doko | jbicha: ^^^ | 19:05 |
| seb128 | doko, stop that, this glm update was done a week ago | 19:05 |
| seb128 | doko, libreoffice is already fixed in the vcs | 19:05 |
| seb128 | so it has been actively handled | 19:05 |
| doko | seb128: it doesn't help if it's not uploaded. you know the current transition mess | 19:05 |
| seb128 | it's just that updates sometime take more than a day | 19:05 |
| doko | sure, a day would be fine ... | 19:05 |
| seb128 | right, well talk to whoever starts those stack of transitions | 19:06 |
| seb128 | not to those who are victim of the mess | 19:06 |
| seb128 | transitons could be better prepared upfront | 19:07 |
| doko | seb128: YOU ARE WRONG. most of of the unrelated ones are imported from debian. you are responsible for these as I am | 19:07 |
| seb128 | doko, well maybe we should delete some stuff from proposed | 19:08 |
| seb128 | and do transitions one by one | 19:08 |
| seb128 | stopping the autoimporter for a while | 19:08 |
| seb128 | there are way to deal better with those | 19:08 |
| jbicha | liborcus and libixion are tied to the LibreOffice version, if we're not ready for LO 6 yet, then we don't need those new versions yet either | 19:08 |
| doko | seb128: go ahead and propose that, and DRIVE that. in Oct/Nov I did that. | 19:08 |
| seb128 | doko, I've other things to work on and the situation doesn't bother me | 19:09 |
| seb128 | but I sympathize with you trying to sort that out | 19:09 |
| doko | sure, until everything gets fucked up | 19:09 |
| seb128 | we could flush proposed | 19:10 |
| seb128 | and start reuploading in wanted order | 19:10 |
| jbicha | oSoMoN: could doko upload https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/?h=ubuntu-bionic-6.0 now? | 19:10 |
| seb128 | if really needed | 19:10 |
| seb128 | shrug | 19:10 |
| doko | I'm uploading a build with internal glm for now | 19:10 |
| seb128 | jbicha, could be delete you glm update from proposed? | 19:10 |
| seb128 | be->we | 19:10 |
| doko | no, reverting would be worse I assume | 19:11 |
| seb128 | why was that transition even started if the proposed situation is that complex? | 19:11 |
| seb128 | the way out is usually not to pile more | 19:11 |
| jbicha | glm wasn't supposed to be a "transition" | 19:11 |
| oSoMoN | is the world gonna stop spinning if we wait until Monday and do a proper, clean and tested upload of 6.0 ? I have other urgent things to work on tomorrow | 19:11 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, we don't upload something we are not confident with, if you say it should wait on monday then that's what we do | 19:12 |
| doko | now uploaded lo again. let's see what else breaks | 19:12 |
| jbicha | I don't need the new glm. I just cherry-picked it from the merge queue | 19:12 |
| doko | jbicha, seb128: in general, please watch your uploads/syncs until they reach the release pocket. you may want to search update_excuses for "Debian GNOME" | 19:13 |
| seb128 | doko, I personally do | 19:14 |
| doko | please tell your team, manager and community ;p | 19:15 |
| seb128 | k | 19:15 |
| jbicha | I do spend a lot of time working on excuses | 19:16 |
| doko | and it was 80% of my work time for the last two weeks :-/ | 19:16 |
| jbicha | I leave the hard ones for you ;) | 19:17 |
| jbicha | like all of the remaining Debian GNOME ones are hard ones :( | 19:19 |
| doko | I appreciate your work on removals. so maybe be more aggressive about these | 19:19 |
| jbicha | I mean they're hard ones | 19:21 |
| jbicha | I could be agressive and ignore failing build tests since upstream doesn't care as much about if they pass everywhere… | 19:22 |
| jbicha | the tracker one is really annoying since they added broken tests in a point release | 19:22 |
| doko | no new build failure for lo yet ... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.4.4-0ubuntu5 | 19:28 |
| gsilvapt | jibel, you around? | 22:05 |
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