[01:20] <jrwren> lol, remember testdrive? I just found an ancient testdrive system of quantal dated oct 2012 :)
[01:25] <cmaloney> Heh
[01:26] <cmaloney> Good times
[01:26] <cmaloney> I just put in the talk submission for the Penguicon Release party
[11:46] <cmaloney> morning
[12:38] <rick_h> wheeee
[12:42] <cmaloney> Are we having fun yet?
[12:45] <rick_h> not yet...but working on it heh
[12:45] <rick_h> 15 days and counting
[12:45] <cmaloney> How's the birthday month so far? :)
[12:45] <cmaloney> Hah
[12:46] <rick_h> good, working on house stuff and such
[12:46] <rick_h> shoveling snow every other day
[12:48] <cmaloney> Yeah, no kidding
[12:48] <cmaloney> Yesterday I used the snow blower for that little bit of snow, just to save a few minutes
[12:49] <rick_h> it's been too powdery here, just makes a mess with the blower
[12:49] <cmaloney> and get it all nice and clean so it could melt away just in time for the next batch
[12:49] <cmaloney> I did it around 12:30pm so it wasn't as powdery
[12:50] <cmaloney> had some sunlight on it
[12:50] <rick_h> ah, gotcha
[12:50] <cmaloney> Yeah, in the morning it wouldn't have worked
[12:51] <cmaloney> but I was shamed by my neighbors to going out there and shoveling
[12:51] <rick_h> lol
[12:51] <rick_h> well I just hate it because when we drive on it it compacts and it's impossible to get up so if it's not going to be warm I want to try to shovel before we leave the house if possible
[12:51] <cmaloney> Yeah
[12:52] <rick_h> which I got about 80% clear before my wife left...doh!
[12:52] <cmaloney> unfortunately I took JoDee to work before I could shovel so I had a tire speedbump
[12:52] <cmaloney> tire-compacted speedbump
[12:54] <rick_h> yea
[12:57] <cmaloney> https://unikeyboard.io/product/terminus/ <- Good God, people ar re-creating the PET 2001 keyboard on purpose.
[12:57] <cmaloney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_PET#/media/File:Commodore_2001_Series-IMG_0448b.jpg
[13:18] <Scary_Guy> I mean it's not exact but it's close
[13:19] <Scary_Guy> screw matrix layout though.  I mean I'm sure I'd get used to it eventually
[13:21] <Scary_Guy> http://www.mistelkeyboard.com/barocco-rgb-series/ I just got this and I love it
[13:21] <Scary_Guy> kinda miss the full layout though, 60% seems stunted.  I'll probably end up getting the keypad
[14:09] <cmaloney> I just find it slightly humorous that for the longest time I was really looking forward to having a full-sized keyboard on my computer
[14:09] <cmaloney> and now that we do there's folks trying to see how minimalistic they can get with the design
[14:10] <cmaloney> Seriously I don't want to think that hard to type
[14:10] <cmaloney> If I did I'd become a stenographer
[14:17] <rick_h> I do like 10less though
[14:18] <rick_h> unless you're an accountant bring that mouse space in for the 95% of the day
[14:21] <cmaloney> Yeah; I'm a little too addicted to the numeric pad
[14:21] <cmaloney> but I can see where it might be an advantage.
[14:38] <Scary_Guy> I saw an old stego unit on craigslist for $8
[14:38] <Scary_Guy> steno*
[14:40] <Scary_Guy> https://www.pckeyboard.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/BLKPC122Front.jpg really I'd love this keyboard
[14:42] <Scary_Guy> the only reason I got the split one is because it's more ergonomic.  I have it mounted at the ends of my armrests
[14:43] <Scary_Guy> well, sort of mounted anyway.  It's not going anywhere that's the point
[14:43] <rick_h> heh
[14:44] <rick_h> yea, I keep playing around with keyboards but always come back to my kenisis as my main board
[14:47] <Scary_Guy> kenisis is legit.  are the keys mechanical though?
[14:47] <Scary_Guy> that's what I like about this one.  I mean I can tolerate a rubber dome but this does feel much nicer
[14:49] <rick_h> yea, they're cherry browns which I wish I get could something better
[14:49] <rick_h> but ergo++
[14:50] <Scary_Guy> super nice then.  I may end up elevating mine on the insides too.  I hear that's also nice
[14:50] <Scary_Guy> too bad they don't put the standoffs there
[14:51] <Scary_Guy> hell, most keyboards I come across I break them off if I can.  horrible for your wrists
[14:51] <Scary_Guy> while we're on the subject everyone should elevate their monitors to eye level.  also, fuck laptops
[14:51] <rick_h> monitor arms ftw
[14:52] <rick_h> only way to fly
[14:52] <Scary_Guy> mine sit on some old army HAM radios from the Korean war
[14:52] <cmaloney> That's a hell of an aesthetic
[14:52] <Scary_Guy> they're actually too high now that I switched out the drafting chair for this gaming one
[14:53] <Scary_Guy> looks neat but I lack the cables to get them working
[14:53] <Scary_Guy> they each have little radioactive symbols on them.  I wasn't planning on having kids anyway
[14:54] <Scary_Guy> also I'm sure the five CRTs I had before didn't help either
[14:57] <Scary_Guy> I may just elevate this chair, it's kind of like having a standing desk too, though now there is no desk
[15:08] <jrwren> SWEET!!! I finally finally finally got italics in byobu.
[15:11] <cmaloney> Wait till you get tmux. :)
[15:11] <cmaloney> *mind blown*
[15:12] <jrwren> :p
[15:12] <jrwren> the whole point was that I had it working in tmux but not byobu-tmux.
[15:12] <jrwren> what can I say? i really like byobu's status line.
[15:12] <cmaloney> Seems like an awful lot of baggage for a status line
[15:12] <cmaloney> but cool nonetheless
[15:12] <jrwren> really?
[15:12] <jrwren> I never notice the baggage.
[15:13] <cmaloney> I dunno. Byobu felt really heavy to me
[15:13] <jrwren> its litterally tmux with custom config.
[15:13] <jrwren> or screen, but I use byobu-tmux
[15:13] <cmaloney> Perhaps I like default tmux better tha byobu's defaults
[15:13]  * cmaloney hasn't looked at byobu since it was a screen wrapper
[15:14] <jrwren> I'd drop byobu and do tmux if I could get the same status line. the status line is the only reason I use byobu.
[15:14] <jrwren> I even change the keybindings to be default tmux.
[15:16] <rick_h> do you use the status line? what info do you find you use regularly through the day?
[15:16] <rick_h> it always seemed like interesting in theory to know that every so often but not something I needed constant repeated hits on
[15:16] <jrwren> I use it for update notification and for bwmon. The bwmon has saved my ass numerous times.
[15:17] <jrwren> i don't need it on every host on which I run, just this particular one, which also happens to be my internet router, so quick glance at data rates is very useful
[15:23] <_stink_> i still just use gnu screen :P
[15:24] <cmaloney> _stink_: Honestly you should give tmux a try
[15:24] <jrwren> +1 tmux is much nicer when connecting with multiple terms to the same session
[15:24] <cmaloney> I used to be a screen die-hard and I completely moved to tmux because it has a lot of nice things that never made it into screen
[15:25] <cmaloney> session switching is awesome
[15:25] <cmaloney> and I'm practically in a tiling window manager with the window splits
[15:25] <jrwren> I still never window split: )
[16:44] <waldo323> can you use tmux to connect to a serial console?
[16:45] <jrwren> no, you'd use something else for that.
[16:46] <waldo323> one of my uses of screen is "screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200"
[16:46] <waldo323> for connecting to circuit python boards
[16:46] <jrwren> what does that do?
[16:46] <waldo323> give access to the repl on the board
[16:47] <waldo323> *gives
[16:47] <jrwren> cool. I'd use minicom for that.
[16:47] <jrwren> screen sounds like its a bit lighter than minicom for that. I dig it.
[16:48] <waldo323> it is the command recommended by adafruit's guides,  https://learn.adafruit.com/welcome-to-circuitpython/what-is-circuitpython
[16:49] <waldo323> woa our mug video comes up first in google search when searching for welcome to circuit python
[16:49] <waldo323> https://youtu.be/307Ia_mv8AA
[16:50] <jrwren> so, its screen as a terminal emulator? there aren't multiple windows, right?
[16:51] <waldo323> That was my assumption.  you can still create other windows like normal but only one connects to the board
[16:53] <jrwren> huh, i was searching to see if tmux can do it, and I still dont' know, but apparently there is also `tio` tio.github.io
[16:55] <waldo323> nic
[16:55] <waldo323> e
[16:56] <waldo323> it looks like as of 2015 the author of tmux thought the ability was bloat and not the unix way so wasn't likely going to add it
[16:57] <waldo323> but that also looks like hearsay
[16:57] <jrwren> figures.
[17:01] <cmaloney> There's also cu
[17:04] <jrwren> cool. I didn't know that one either.
[17:05] <cmaloney> me either