[00:08] <wxl> bumblebee: at work. sorry, sometimes i get called away. just a volunteer here. anyways, the check disc for defects results in the blank screen?
[00:08] <bumblebee> no results, black screen with cursor
[00:08] <wxl> now that is extremely weird
[00:09] <wxl> i can imagine a situation where a graphics issue could cause booting the graphics server to show something similar, but not the check disc for defects screen
[00:10] <bumblebee> :(
[00:10] <wxl> the other possibility is there's a copy error
[00:10] <wxl> in fact, the fact that it's not returning success may suggest that's what the case is
[00:11] <wxl> there's a way we can check the hashes of the media
[00:11] <wxl> it's slow
[00:11] <bumblebee> we already checked the hashes
[00:12] <wxl> yes
[00:12] <bumblebee> and what do you mean by copy error?
[00:12] <wxl> of the iso
[00:12] <wxl> which verifies there is no download error
[00:12] <wxl> but then you're copying that file to the media
[00:12] <wxl> so now we should check the result, to make sure there's no error in copying
[00:12] <wxl> i know this seems weird, but i've seen both many, many tiems
[00:13] <bumblebee> ok
[00:13] <bumblebee> how do we do that?
[00:13] <wxl> one second. need to look something up
[00:14] <wxl> aw heck
[00:14] <wxl> back in your terminal, do this:
[00:15] <wxl> ls -l ~/Downloads/lubuntu-17.10.1-desktop-amd64.iso | awk '{print $5}'
[00:15] <wxl> should give you a 9 digit number or so
[00:16] <Thedarkb-X40> I asked on the #mpv chat about stuttery video but they just insulted my computer.
[00:16] <wxl> also i need to know what device file the media is associated with. if you could pastebin the results of `sudo fdisk -l` i'd appreciate it
[00:17] <bumblebee> 969932800
[00:18] <Thedarkb-X40> Ah, apparently X11 can't keep up for some reason.
[00:20] <bumblebee> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26544024/
[00:20] <wxl> i assume that's an 8GB removable media you have?
[00:21] <bumblebee> yes
[00:21] <bumblebee> and it worked perfectly so far
[00:21] <wxl> ok now we need to make sure it's unmounted so `sudo umount /dev/sdb2`
[00:22] <bumblebee> umount: /dev/sdb2: not mounted.
[00:22] <wxl> good
[00:22] <wxl> now to do the final check and get the hashes:
[00:23] <wxl> sudo dd if=/dev/sdb bs=2048 count=473600 | md5sum
[00:25] <bumblebee> 473600+0 Datensätze ein 473600+0 Datensätze aus 969932800 Bytes (970 MB, 925 MiB) kopiert, 49,8957 s, 19,4 MB/s acd427ecaa07ec2fd45f3630ee9f0770  -
[00:25] <wxl> it should be acd427ecaa07ec2fd45f3630ee9f0770 so it looks like you're good there
[00:25] <wxl> ok, that's just weird
[00:26] <wxl> genii: do you really think nomodeset is going to help when they can't even run the check disc for defects? that's just..... really weird.
[00:26] <wxl> bumblebee: both "trying" lubuntu and "installing" lubuntu both result in the same problem, correct?
[00:26] <bumblebee> yes
[00:27] <bumblebee> i already tried nomodeset as well
[00:27] <wxl> dang
[00:27] <wxl> that's just ridiculous.
[00:27] <bumblebee> the guys in #ubuntu-de said something about to try noveau
[00:27] <wxl> your usb doesn't have an activity led does it/
[00:28] <bumblebee> what's that?
[00:28] <wxl> yeah they're full of it :)
[00:28] <bumblebee> yes, it has
[00:28] <wxl> they're trying to fix a graphics issue when you're not even to the point where graphics become an issue
[00:28] <wxl> check disc for defects is non-graphical
[00:28] <bumblebee> ah
[00:28] <wxl> and besides, nouveau (the open source nvidia driver) is used by default, so that's also silly
[00:28] <bumblebee> ok
[00:29] <wxl> does the activity led immediately stop flashing when you hit the blank screen?
[00:29] <bumblebee> i have to try, just a second
[00:30] <bumblebee> when i choose "try lubuntu without installing", the led starts blinking
[00:31] <wxl> does it cut off rather quickly?
[00:32] <bumblebee> it still is blinking
[00:32] <wxl> ok now that's interesting
[00:33] <wxl> give it until it settles down and try to hit ctrl-alt-f1. if it gives you a login, lubuntu is the user and lubuntu is the password (or is it blank? i don't remember)
[00:33] <bumblebee> now the blank screen has come
[00:33] <bumblebee> and the led immediately has stopped blinking
[00:34] <bumblebee> but is still on
[00:34] <bumblebee> ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't do anything
[00:34] <bumblebee> the pc isn't reacting anymore
[00:34] <wxl> ctrl-alt-any f key???
[00:35] <bumblebee> nothing
[00:35] <bumblebee> just tried every single one
[00:35] <wxl> up until the led stopped blinking, did you see ANYTHING on the screen?
[00:35] <bumblebee> the boot menu
[00:35] <wxl> right, between the boot menu and that
[00:36] <bumblebee> between the boot menu and the blank screen?
[00:36] <bumblebee> nothing
[00:36] <wxl> no little "lubuntu" logo with some dots under it? no mouse cursor? no nothing?
[00:36] <bumblebee> nothing
[00:36] <bumblebee> just the boot menu
[00:36] <wxl> all of the above are indications that at the very least the graphical server has been loaded to some degree
[00:36] <wxl> you're not veen getting to that point
[00:37] <bumblebee> getting to which point?
[00:37] <wxl> let's try this. remember how you changed the boot parameters to include nomodeset? do the same thing, but remove "splash" and "quiet"
[00:38] <wxl> to the point of the graphics drivers really being used in any real way
[00:38] <wxl> just further confirming our friends in #ubuntu-de are wrong
[00:39] <bumblebee> i can't find splash and quiet
[00:39] <wxl> harumph
[00:39] <wxl> one second
[00:39] <bumblebee> f6, right?
[00:39] <wxl> oh right
[00:39] <wxl> yes hit escape when the menu comes up
[00:39] <wxl> then you'll see the full boot options line
[00:39] <bumblebee> ok
[00:40] <bumblebee> done
[00:40] <wxl> you're now going to seee a bunch of text pouring on the screen
[00:40] <wxl> let it run until it does
[00:41] <wxl> sorry, until it dies
[00:41] <bumblebee> but i do have to type something, right?
[00:41] <wxl> the end should give some indication as to where the problem is
[00:41] <wxl> as long as you've removed "quiet splash", just hit enter and it should start booting
[00:42] <bumblebee> i don't understand
[00:42] <wxl> ok so let's go step by step
[00:42] <bumblebee> i only can see "boot: " and a blinking cursor
[00:42] <wxl> 1. boot to lubuntu "boot" menu
[00:42] <wxl> 2. hit F6
[00:42] <wxl> 3. hit ESCAPE
[00:43] <bumblebee> i thought i did that
[00:43] <wxl> 4. arrow back about 4 characters and then backspace until "quiet splash" is removed
[00:43] <wxl> 5. hit enter
[00:43] <bumblebee> ok wait
[00:43] <bumblebee> i have to restart
[00:43] <wxl> the boot options line should end with
[00:43] <wxl> initrd=/casper/initrd.lz ---
[00:44] <wxl> whereas before it was
[00:44] <wxl> initrd=/casper/initrd.lz quiet splash ---
[00:44] <bumblebee> ok, i pressed enter
[00:44] <wxl> and now there's a bunch of text coming at you?
[00:44] <bumblebee> there is stil the boot menu
[00:44] <wxl> try hitting enter again
[00:44] <bumblebee> and the led is blinking
[00:44] <wxl> or just wait
[00:45] <bumblebee> the cursor after initrd.lz stopped blinking
[00:45] <wxl> there's a wee bit of a delay. it's a little funky running an operating system in memory rather than off the hard disk
[00:45] <bumblebee> enter doesn't do anyting
[00:45] <bumblebee> i'll wait
[00:46] <prince-charmant> the cusor must be just after "initrd=/casper/initrd.lz ---" and not after "initrd=/casper/initrd.lz"
[00:46] <wxl> at least on the system i'm on the cursor does not blink
[00:46] <wxl> not over here, prince-charmant
[00:46] <bumblebee> if prince is right, i did wrong
[00:47] <bumblebee> ok, now there is a lot of text
[00:47] <wxl> i mean maybe there's some situation where that occurs, but that certainly seems strange
[00:47] <wxl> yay
[00:47] <bumblebee> and the led stopped blinking
[00:47] <wxl> ok, what's at the end of the text?
[00:47] <bumblebee> shall i write everything down?
[00:47] <wxl> feel free to screenshot
[00:47] <wxl> or that
[00:47] <wxl> the screenshot's probably easier just as long as it's readable
[00:47] <wxl> sorry
[00:47] <wxl> um
[00:48] <wxl> take a picture :)
[00:48] <bumblebee> i will write, don't have a camera
[00:48] <bumblebee> [0.000000] console [tty0] enabled
[00:49] <bumblebee> [0.004000] tsc: Fast TSC calibration using PIT
[00:49] <bumblebee> [0.008000] tsc Detected 1607.376 MHz processor
[00:49] <wxl> tell me when you're done
[00:50] <bumblebee> [0.008000] tsc: Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value calculated using timer frequency.. 214.75 BogoMIPS (lpj=6429504)
[00:50] <bumblebee> [0.008000] pid_max: default: 2768 minimum: 301
[00:51] <bumblebee> [0.008000] ACPI: Core revision 20170531
[00:51] <bumblebee> [0.15893] ACPI: 2 ACPI AML tables successfully acquired and loaded
[00:51] <bumblebee> [0.016036] Security Framework initialized
[00:52] <bumblebee> do i have to type these numbers on the beginning?
[00:52] <wxl> no
[00:52] <bumblebee> :D
[00:53] <bumblebee> Yama: becoming mindful.
[00:53] <bumblebee> AppArmor: AppArmor initialized
[00:53] <bumblebee> Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes)
[00:53] <bumblebee> Inode-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes)
[00:54] <bumblebee> Mount-cache hash table entries: 2048 (order: 2, 16384 bytes)
[00:54] <bumblebee> CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0
[00:54] <bumblebee> CPU: Processor Core ID: 0
[00:54] <bumblebee> mce: CPU supports 5 MCE banks
[00:54] <bumblebee> LVT offset 0 assigend for vector 0xf9
[00:55] <bumblebee> process: using AMD E400 aware idle routine
[00:55] <wxl> while you're doing this, i should point out one thing: a lot of times the blank screen indicates the system doesn't even boot. at least we can now confirm the linux kernel is running. that's at least one step on the road to getting things running XD
[00:55] <bumblebee> Last level iTLB entries: 4KB 512, 2MB 8, 4MB 4
[00:55] <bumblebee> Last level dTLB entries: 4KB 512, 2MB 8, 4MB 4, 1 GB 0
[00:56] <bumblebee> Freeing SMP alternatives memory: 36K
[00:56] <bumblebee> that's it
[00:56] <bumblebee> ok
[00:56] <prince-charmant> so no error message :-(
[00:56] <wxl> huh. no error, no nothing.
[00:57] <wxl> that is so bizarre
[00:57] <bumblebee> maybe i should have searched for an error message instead of typing all this down? ;)
[00:58] <wxl> well
[00:58] <wxl> maybe
[00:58] <wxl> but we wouldn't have found anything :)
[00:58] <bumblebee> yes
[00:58] <bumblebee> maybe i could find an error message if i would be able to scroll up
[00:59] <wxl> yeah unfortunately that stuff is really hard to catch.
[00:59] <wxl> i doubt you would have found anything, though
[00:59] <bumblebee> [01:46] <prince-charmant> the cusor must be just after "initrd=/casper/initrd.lz ---" and not after "initrd=/casper/initrd.lz"
[00:59] <bumblebee> maybe because of this?
[01:00] <wxl> well you can try, but again, it worked for me
[01:00] <bumblebee> i'll try
[01:00] <wxl> here's my feeling: i think we should move this discussion to somewhere with a larger audience, such as #ubuntu or ##linux. i'd be happy to back you up and provide answers to questions since i helped you go through all the troubleshooting
[01:01] <wxl> i've got about another 30 minutes at work. or we can try to do this tomorrow
[01:01] <bumblebee> could you do the talking then?
[01:01] <wxl> sure
[01:02] <bumblebee> ok, let's go
[01:02] <wxl> i find it fascinating that CentOS and openSUSE also fail. they're not even really related to ubuntu
[01:02] <wxl> let's try #ubuntu
[01:02] <prince-charmant> I will leave .. time to go to sleep ... it's 2h00 am here :-)
[01:02] <wxl> say hi or something when you're there :)
[01:02] <bumblebee> have a good night, prince
[01:02] <prince-charmant> good nigth to everybody
[01:02] <wxl> nite prince-charmant
[01:03] <bumblebee> thanks for doing the talking
[01:03] <bumblebee> @wxl
[01:03] <wxl> np
[03:14] <murat> Hello everyone. Should I install lubuntu or xle? Which one is easier to use and lighter on resources?
[03:15] <murat> Hello everyone. Should I install lubuntu or xle? Which one is easier to use and lighter on resources?
[09:07] <ElvisDumbledore> howdy, y'all ^_^
[09:08] <ElvisDumbledore> any tips on logging in with git-hub? currently getting: 'Authentication provider ("GitHub") encountered an error while attempting to log in. The OAuth provider returned an error: redirect_uri_mismatch'
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[10:50] <Bruno> hello
[10:51] <Guest52462> after installing lubuntu on an old netbook samsung N150 the version 17,10 start but half screen is black
[10:51] <Guest52462> should i try another version
[10:53] <JohnDoe_71Rus> you must solve the problem with the video drivers
[11:05] <Guest52462> how cani solve this video prblem ?
[11:05] <Guest52462> how can i solve this video problem
[11:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> google ubuntu 17.10 intel graphic
[11:22] <Guest52462> ok thx and for lubuntu
[11:23] <Guest52462> i think lubuntu is better for an 2008 atom intel processor
[11:24] <zleap> Guest52462: was the screen working ok before ?
[11:24] <zleap> or in the BIOS setup
[11:25] <Guest52462> it was working on the "try without installing" very well
[11:25] <zleap> hmm
[11:27] <JohnDoe_71Rus> try nomodeset kernel option
[11:29] <JohnDoe_71Rus> or you need install some xserver-xorg-video-intel* packages
[11:55] <Guest52462> ok
[11:55] <Guest52462> where should i type this command?
[12:31] <rk61197> sir i am instaling mariadb server on my laptop but its giving me some error
[12:32] <rk61197> The program 'mariadb' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:sudo apt install mariadb-client-core-10.1
[12:46] <rk61197> https://thepasteb.in/p/76hE6y6GxmNFV
[12:46] <rk61197> hai
[17:51] <bumblebee> wxl: hi.
[17:51] <wxl> morning bumblebee
[17:52] <wxl> care to head over to ##linux with me?
[17:52] <bumblebee> yes
[17:52] <bumblebee> thanks
[18:02] <bumblebee> thanks a lot
[18:03] <ibmr50e-sylwek> yoooo will 18.04 ship with lxqt?
 Yes and no.
 Maybe so.
 ;)
[18:06] <ibmr50e-sylwek> you teasing me?
 A little ;)
[18:09] <ibmr50e-sylwek> so you don't know yet? time is short
[18:09] <ibmr50e-sylwek> few months ago it was the plan to include lxqt
[18:09] <ibmr50e-sylwek> was it abandoned
[18:09] <wxl> nope
[18:10] <wxl> but maybe if we had more help, it would go quicker
[18:10] <wxl> *AHEM*
[18:10] <krabador> the looong road to lxqt
[18:12] <wxl> are the downloads live cds?
 It's a secret :P
[18:13] <lubot3> Or, ya know, you could just join #lubuntu-devel and lurk :D
 I like how people assume it's abandoned :P
[18:19] <bumblebee> wxl: i forgot how to check the md5sum
[18:20] <wxl> md5sum /path/to/iso
[18:20] <wxl> but let's keep this on ##linux for now
[18:20] <wxl> i'll get less confused too :)
[21:04] <hehehe> hey hey :)
[21:04] <hehehe> if I want to install lubuntu on a 2 disks system is it relatively easy?
[21:05] <wxl> you want to dual boot you mean?
[21:05] <wxl> with what, windows?
 Yea
[21:05] <hehehe> wxl also that
[21:05] <hehehe> its just laptop have got 2 disks
[21:05] <hehehe> two hdds
[21:06] <wxl> yeah no probs
[21:25] <hehehe> wxl: win crash, back now
[21:25] <hehehe> during install I have to see which partition is used by win and leave it alone
[21:26] <hehehe> and lubuntu installer will auto create required partitions for itself
[21:26] <hehehe> ?
[21:37] <wxl> hehehe: yep
[21:39] <hehehe> wxl: it seems atm windows is using both drives
[21:39] <hehehe> however boot is on first drive
[21:40] <wxl> yeah well i don't do windows so good luck with that :)
[21:40] <hehehe> cool
[21:40] <hehehe> ty
[21:40] <hehehe> i think used partition is one where win have got data
[21:40] <hehehe> since it it fresh install
[21:40] <hehehe> rest can be dropped
[21:51] <zleap> there should be an auto partition option where linux installs side by side
[21:52] <zleap> rather than trying to manually partition things,  which is fine for more custom tweaking i guess