[00:02] <raingibs> http://vixra.org/pdf/1403.0293v1.pdf
[00:04] <pantera> That's why the universe is expanding.
[00:04] <pantera> Those silly trons bumping into each other creating rons.
[00:07] <raingibs> michelson-morley experiment while in Low Earth Orbit is what we need
[00:10] <bazhang> raingibs, thats not topical here
[00:11] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic for chatter please raingibs
[00:11] <raingibs> okay sorry
[00:11] <bazhang> thanks
[00:19] <SemiNus1> re
[00:20] <SemiNus1> TJ- ?
[00:20] <SemiNus1> is he gone?
[00:20] <SemiNus1> I wanted to thank him!
[00:20] <SemiNus1> it worked
[00:20] <SemiNus1> bye!
[00:24] <sockmister> hey guys, can someone help me trouble shoot an executable that doesn't do anythign?
[00:27] <sockmister> is this the right place for help with ubuntu?
[00:32] <sockmister> um
[00:36] <SmokinGrunts> where are my Unity launcher shortcuts located?
[00:39] <Guest29917> SmokinGrunts, might look in /usr/share/applications
[00:40] <SmokinGrunts> Guest29917, how does Unity reference which apps show on the left-side bar?
[00:40] <Guest29917> i'm not sure.
[00:41] <SmokinGrunts> fack.
[00:41] <Guest29917> brb
[00:41] <SmokinGrunts> I have multiple versions of eclipse, and I'd *like* to open the .desktop for the appropriate icon to see where the path is
[00:44] <Tin_man> SmokinGrunts, this link might help https://www.lifewire.com/complete-guide-ubuntu-launcher-2202067
[00:44] <natsu> irc chat is great
[00:45] <natsu> i love linux :DDD i'm so glad i switched
[00:45] <SmokinGrunts> Tin_man, thanks for the link, but I see /usr/share/applications, and I'm just tryna find one single .desktop. I just fell back to 'find / -name '*.desktop''
[00:46] <SmokinGrunts> I'm tryna suss-out a font problem with an openjdk8 update
[00:47] <Tin_man> well, good luck.. never messed around with the fonts much.. thank goodness haven't had any problems todate.
[00:47] <ChiLLabiS> natsu, yeah linux is awesome :)
[00:47] <SmokinGrunts> yeah summin' happened and I wasn't on my "log everything before you change something" status
[00:48] <Tin_man> i've switched over to the Gnome desktop
[00:48] <SmokinGrunts> got iiiiit
[00:54] <sockmister> i compiled and installed a program but when i double click the executable nothing happens
[01:00] <raingibs> http://vixra.org/pdf/1403.0293v1.pdf
[01:00] <raingibs> sorry again
[01:00] <raingibs> wrong channel
[01:02] <bumblebee> hi
[01:02] <kenrin> executable,  like a .exe ?
[01:02] <kenrin> Those don't work on linux without helper-programs
[01:04] <wxl> hey folks i'm here in support of bumblebee who came to #lubuntu looking for help and we're at a loss. thought we'd open things up to a wider audience. tl;dr, though he's trying to use lubuntu 17.10.1. hashes for both the iso and the media check out. booting without "quiet splash" the kernel loads up until "Freeing SMP alternatives memory: 36K
[01:05] <wxl> " and then all activity stops
[01:05] <wxl> anyone with ideas?
[01:05] <wxl> fwiw it's only on this one machine.
[01:05] <wxl> what was the name of your laptop again, bumblebee ?
[01:05] <bumblebee> hyrican rumba
[01:06] <kenrin> rumba?
[01:06] <wxl> be aware we may have to sit and wait for a while bumblebee. if no one knows the answer, no one's going to say anything :)
[01:06] <bumblebee> https://www.notebookcheck.com/Hyrican-Rumba.2210.0.html
[01:07] <bumblebee> wxl: ok :)
[01:07] <kenrin> Just from a quick google search I'd say the AMD turion is your issue
[01:07] <wxl> is that a known thing?
[01:08] <kenrin> known as in newer distros don't generally work well(or at all) on older distros.  I'm just taking a guess
[01:08] <kenrin> er older comps
[01:08] <wxl> yeah i usually find the kernel drags along a lot of old legacy stuff with rare exceptions
[01:09] <wxl> this is how lubuntu manages to serve so many legacy machines, most of which are 32 bit
[01:10] <testsing[m]> hi, would it be possible to upgrade to 18.04 from 17.10 when 18.04 comes out?
[01:10] <wxl> testsing[m]: yep
[01:11] <testsing[m]> are such upgrades usually involved are have they been painless more recently?
[01:11] <testsing[m]> s/are/or/
[01:11] <wxl> i've found them to be pretty painless for years
[01:11] <bumblebee> so maybe linux won't work on this computer, no matter which distribution i try?
[01:13] <kenrin> It should work if you get an older kernel|distro.  I think people used ubuntu netbook edition back in the day on turions
[01:13] <wxl> that's the suggestion made, bumblebee, but it's a shot in the dark guess. i'd be disinclined to say that definitively. linux works on much older machines than yours.
[01:13] <wxl> newer linux is what i mean
[01:13] <wxl> but certainly you could try an older ubuntu
[01:14] <wxl> 14.04 and 16.04 are still supported
[01:14] <bumblebee> shall i do that now?
[01:14] <testsing[m]> can an upgrade in such cases be done with just "apt full-upgrade && apt dist-upgrade" ?
[01:14] <bumblebee> lubuntu 16.04?
[01:14] <wxl> sure
[01:15] <wxl> testsing[m]: to change versions, you want `do-release-upgrade`
[01:15] <Tin_man> testsing[m], it should give you the option when the Upgrade is available
[01:15] <testsing[m]> oh, I see. I'll just use the Software Update Center in that case.
[01:15] <wxl> here's someone running ubuntu 10.04 on that same chip, bumblebee http://browser.geekbench.com/geekbench2/279388
[01:16] <wxl> testsing[m]: that works too :)
[01:16] <kenrin> Just to test that it isn't a graphics issue you should try to boot with nomodeset first,  if you have not
[01:16] <pantera> sockmister, try running the program in a terminal.
[01:16] <wxl> already did
[01:16] <wxl> it doesn't even get to booting X
[01:17] <bumblebee> wxl: which version i should try first?
[01:17] <kenrin> Might as well try 16.04 since 14 will be eol sooner
[01:17] <wxl> bumblebee: probably best to bisect the issue. use the oldest version first. if that doesn't work, you're probably going down the wrong path.
[01:17] <bumblebee> ok, so 10.04
[01:18] <wxl> bumblebee: and along the lines of kenrin's point, you can always upgrade to 16.04 if 14.04 does work.
[01:18] <bumblebee> ubuntu then?
[01:18] <bumblebee> yes
[01:18] <blue1> I need to upgrade one of my servers to 16.04.  Or I just might wait till 18.04 is stable and upgrade to that.
[01:18] <wxl> bumblebee: you won't find 10.04 easily. and it's not supported, so i woudln't bother with it.
[01:18] <blue1> is there a reason to use 10.04?
[01:18] <bumblebee> ok, then 14.04 - ubuntu or lubuntu?
[01:18] <wxl> bumblebee: i was just saying that someone has made that chip work with ubuntu in the past 7 years
[01:18] <blue1> i prefer xubuntu --
[01:19] <bumblebee> yes, or maybe xubuntu
[01:19] <wxl> bumblebee: well, that's a matter of choice, but being completely unbiased, as a lubuntu team member, i'd say lubuntu. COMPLETELY UNBIASED.
[01:19] <blue1> has anyone tried 18.04 kubuntu?
[01:19] <wxl> blue1: might want to check in at #kubuntu-devel about that. i'm sure they have :)
[01:19] <bumblebee> ok wxl, i'll try lubuntu 14.04
[01:19] <bazhang> blue1, #ubuntu+1 for that
[01:20] <blue1> wxl: thanks
[01:20] <wxl> ^^ or that
[01:20] <blue1> oh yeah forgot about ubuntu+1  thanks
[01:20] <bazhang> wxl, kubuntu goes the same place
[01:21] <sockmister> guys I'm pretty new at linux, after compiling and running make/install I should just have to doubleclick on the executable to run a program right?
[01:21] <wxl> bazhang: although you can certainly say everyone in #kubuntu-devel is using kubuntu, and most likely has experience with the development version, while only the latter is true with #ubuntu+1
[01:21] <bumblebee> wxl: 64-bit again, right?
[01:21] <wxl> sockmister: what software you trying to install?
[01:21] <wxl> bumblebee: your machine is certainly capable of it. you might try 32 bit, but if you can use 64 bit, i see no reason to use 32.
[01:22] <pantera> sockmister, Sometimes running an application in the terminal that isn't running will throw an error to let you know what's wrong.
[01:22] <bumblebee> ok
[01:22] <Dianaxxyyzz> sal all
[01:23] <wxl> bumblebee: and make sure to check the hashes of the iso and run the check disc for defects (hopefully it works this time) at the boot menu before trying to run/install
[01:23] <Dianaxxyyzz> all sleeping?
[01:23] <sockmister> pantera it says command not found
[01:24] <sockmister> but when i right click it it says it is executable in the properties
[01:24] <Dianaxxyyzz> firefox 58 armhf crash on ubuntu 16.04
[01:24] <pantera> Ok, when I want to install something I first try to install it through apt-get. Did you do that?
[01:24] <bumblebee> wxl: can i check the hashes tomorrow? i'm really tired now
[01:24] <wxl> sockmister: what software is this that it requires you to compile it?
[01:25] <pantera> Yeah, and what software is it sockmister
[01:25] <wxl> bumblebee: sure. i'm around every day normal working hours UTC-8
[01:25] <sockmister> xmr-stak-cpu-master
[01:25] <Dianaxxyyzz> I think is a custm porn viewer :))
[01:25] <Tin_man> Dianaxxyyzz, didn't have a problem with 58, or the update to 58.01
[01:25] <bumblebee> wxl: ok thanks
[01:26] <wxl> sockmister: i assume the -master means it's the master branch of the development tree?
[01:26] <Dianaxxyyzz> Tin_man: you user firefox 59.01 inside a armhf build and works ?
[01:26] <Dianaxxyyzz> Tin_man: you use firefox 58.01 inside a armhf build and works ?
[01:26] <blue1> I had to use a really old version of FF to get it to work with my raspberry pi
[01:26] <Tin_man> 58.0.1 with Ubuntu 17.10
[01:27] <Tin_man> not sure what armhf is.
[01:27] <sockmister> i think so its from github
[01:27] <Dianaxxyyzz> armv7l or aarch64 ?
[01:27] <wxl> sockmister: did you folllow the directions in LINUXCOMPILE.md?
[01:27] <sockmister> yes
[01:27] <Dianaxxyyzz> aham , i think is 64 bit one , 32 bit for me crash
[01:28] <pantera> What ubuntu are you on sockmister
[01:28] <sockmister> after last step it doesnt say what to do so i just tried doubleclicking it and nothing happems
[01:28] <blue1> armhf is like 32 bit plus floating point I think
[01:28] <sockmister> 16
[01:28] <wxl> while you're in the terminal just ./the-executable
[01:28] <sockmister> 16.04?
[01:28] <pantera> http://www.linuxhostingprovider.com/how-to/how-to-install-xmr-stak-cpu-for-monero-mining-on-ubuntu-16-04/
[01:29] <sockmister> ok ty wxl i didnt kmow about ./
[01:29] <Dianaxxyyzz> yes firefo 58.01 armhf crash on ubuntu 16.04 the aarch64 one works ..
[01:29] <pantera> I'm not sure that will help, but maybe you don't have the right dependencies
[01:30] <bumblebee> wxl: same problem with lubuntu-14.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso
[01:30] <bumblebee> now maybe 12.04?
[01:30] <wxl> bumblebee: assuming the hashes are still good, then it's probably not worth it to bother with old releases. it must be something else
[01:30] <bumblebee> ok
[01:31] <wxl> bumblebee: maybe tomorrow we head over to ##linux and see if we can make any headway. i'll stick around here in case anyone has any bright ideas meanwhile.
[01:31] <bumblebee> ok thanks a lot
[01:31] <bumblebee> have a good night
[01:31] <wxl> you too
[01:31] <sockmister> 55h/s om 15 yr old pc im impressed
[01:31] <sockmister> my main gets 170h/s lol
[01:31] <wxl> sockmister: so you're working?
[01:32] <sockmister> yes
[01:32] <blue1> This machine dates back 10 years.
[01:32] <wxl> good on ya
[01:32] <wxl> if you want any more support, please see the developers of the software XD
[01:32] <wxl> (and bug them to make binary packages for debian/ubuntu)
[01:32] <Dianaxxyyzz> can somebody compile firefox 58.01 ubuntu 16.04 armv7 one (armhf) with skia disabled?
[01:32] <Dianaxxyyzz> the crash comes from skia
[01:32] <sockmister> how can i edit the executable to work on doubleclick tho?
[01:33] <sockmister> they should put that you have to use "./" in the compile instrucitons
[01:34] <Dianaxxyyzz> sockmister: just do chmod +x binary
[01:34] <pantera> ls -l and give us the part that has the executible
[01:34] <pantera> executable
[01:34] <wxl> i'm not sure. it may be that the software is trying to find some configuration file or something that is within the compilation directory. you might be able to create a shell script to cd to the path and then run ./ and then double click on that
[01:34] <wxl> ^^ sockmister
[01:34] <wxl> (by the way, do you mist your socks with water or what?)
[01:34] <pantera> my stir
[01:35] <pantera> sock my stir
[01:35] <sockmister> probably, it has a config.txt in same dir
[01:35] <Dianaxxyyzz> does anybody have acces to a powerful armhf machine that can compile firefox ? into my phone it takes 23 hours to compile
[01:35] <wxl> pantera: that, unfortunately, would require an additional e :)
[01:35] <sockmister> i created a link and sent to desktop but it doesn't launch the terminal
[01:35] <pantera> :)
[01:35] <pantera> is it a graphical app?
[01:36] <sockmister> no
[01:36] <wxl> there's your problem
[01:36] <sockmister> 58h/s on this old piece of shit dell micro tower!
[01:36] <pantera> Maybe it's running then?
[01:36] <wxl> so you'll probably want your shell file to run the command within the terminal
[01:36] <sockmister> this cpu doesn't even support AES thats why i had to use this particular program
[01:37] <wxl> that's USUALLY -e cmd
[01:37] <sockmister> wxl that sounds like creating a batch file in windows
[01:37] <Dianaxxyyzz> put this into program.desktop
[01:37] <Dianaxxyyzz> [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=Program Comment=Program Exec=/bin/bash /home/v/myscript.sh Terminal=false X-MultipleArgs=false Type=Application
[01:37] <wxl> so something lke: cd /path/to/compilation/directory; x-terminal-emulator -e ./whatever-the-executable-is
[01:38] <pantera> Sounds like it yeah but the syntax of stuff is different.
[01:39] <sockmister> ok ill just create thta in mousepade, what is the extension to make it a shell file?
[01:39] <wxl> Dianaxxyyzz: that kind of ignores the fact that it needs to run in a terminal
[01:39] <wxl> sockmister: .sh
[01:39] <Dianaxxyyzz> ok
[01:39] <sockmister> ok ty
[01:40] <Dianaxxyyzz> just create a launcher on desktop and choose to run in terminal
[01:40] <wxl> that's unnecessary if they've got the script
[01:41] <Dianaxxyyzz> How the armhf .deb are compiled ? They are cross compiled or ar compiled into a arm machine directly?
[01:42] <Dianaxxyyzz> Is streage ubuntu have a deb for a program that compiled fine but allways crash on startup :)))
[01:42] <sockmister> wxl on my system the .sh defaults to archive manager, what should i select as default for opening it, terminal?
[01:42] <Dianaxxyyzz> select /bin/bash
[01:42] <blue1> i usually have to run sh file.sh
[01:43] <Dianaxxyyzz> Is streage ubuntu have a deb for firefox 58.01 armhf that compiled fine but allways crash on startup :)))
[01:44] <wxl> Dianaxxyyzz: the last bionic firefox was built on this machine https://launchpad.net/builders/bos02-arm64-007 which appears to be arm64
[01:45] <wxl> Dianaxxyyzz: you can see the build log here https://launchpadlibrarian.net/356308063/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-armhf.firefox_58.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[01:46] <Dianaxxyyzz> Thaks wxl ,it is cross compiled ?or real arm64 machine?
[01:46] <wxl> Dianaxxyyzz: don't ask me. i don't do the compilation. loooks like the kernel says it's aarch64
[01:47] <sockmister> wxl i tried exactly whta you said and it didn't work so then i edited it to have the full path and it still doesn't... "cd /home/c/Downloads/xmr-stak-cpu-master/bin/stak; x-terminal-emulator -e /home/c/Downloads/xmr-stak-cpu-master/bin/stak.sh/xmr-stak-cpu"
[01:47] <Dianaxxyyzz> Graet! , thank you so it explain why it crash , I read on some forums ppls say firefox 58 do NOT crash if is cross compiled
[01:47] <Dianaxxyyzz> but i do now know how to cross compile it
[01:48] <wxl> Dianaxxyyzz: you might want to file a bug about it.
[01:48] <Dianaxxyyzz> firefox 55 to 59 armhf crash because a skia asm code
[01:48] <sockmister> putting ./ or just / or not makes no difference either, im stumped
[01:48] <wxl> sockmister: if you run all that in the terminal, does it result in the same problems?
[01:49] <Dianaxxyyzz> but if it is cross compiled it looks to work , the guys at cromium had same problem but they resolved by cross compiling chromium
[01:49] <sockmister> with the full path it says no child directory
[01:49] <wxl> Dianaxxyyzz: right. bug report.
[01:49] <wxl> maybe -e is the wrong switch. what's your terminal, sockmister ?
[01:49] <Dianaxxyyzz> There are some bugs reports about it already ,but the problem looks to be not so easy to fix
[01:50] <wxl> Dianaxxyyzz: there's a bug report about the exact same problem? that has this exact same information about cross compilation?
[01:50] <Dianaxxyyzz> I'm sure we can run ff 58 armhf it it will be cross compiled ,lile the guys at chromium did it
[01:50] <sockmister> Terminal-emulator
[01:50] <Dianaxxyyzz> Yes , the problem is same , but about cross compiling I read ona nother forum ,
[01:51] <Dianaxxyyzz> they at cromium had crash in skia too like ff
[01:51] <wxl> Dianaxxyyzz: so then add that to the bug report
[01:51] <Dianaxxyyzz> ok , i do
[01:51] <sockmister> if i remove the x- from that part nothing happens at all
[01:51] <Dianaxxyyzz> Let's hope somebody manage to cross compile ff ,like they cross compiled chromium
[01:51] <wxl> sockmister: what's `ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator` give you?
[01:52] <Dianaxxyyzz> The cromium guys said the error is strange it apear only if is not cross compiled
[01:52] <Dianaxxyyzz> so maybe a linker or compiler bug
[01:52] <sockmister> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Feb  5 10:28 /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator -> /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal.wrapper
[01:52] <wxl> ok xfce4-terminal is your terminal then socky
[01:53] <wxl> and -e should be right
[01:53] <wxl> hold on tho
[01:53] <wxl> looking at your command above something seems wrong
[01:54] <wxl> "cd
[01:54] <wxl>                            /home/c/Downloads/xmr-stak-cpu-master/bin/stak; x-terminal-emulator
[01:54] <wxl>                            -e /home/c/Downloads/xmr-stak-cpu-master/bin/stak.sh/xmr-stak-cpu"
[01:54] <wxl> sorry for the annoying paste.
[01:54] <wxl> //bin/stak in one case
[01:54] <wxl> //bin/stack.sh in another
[01:54] <wxl> ugh
[01:54] <wxl> you get the idea
[01:55] <gunarm_> I have a .rar file which 'unrar' tells me is "not a RAR archive" but it is a valid archive and it extracts in windows w/ 7zip   any ideas?   looks like my unrar version is 4.00 beta3 is there a newer version I should get or something?  This box is still on 12.04
[01:55] <rollingubuntu> hello, I have some issue with the desktop workspace switcher, anyone feels like having the knowledge to help me troubleshoot the cause please?
[01:55] <Euph0ria> gunarm_: If you can use WINE, download win-rar and do a repair on the .rar file.
[01:56] <wxl> gunarm_: might try unar.
[01:56] <wxl> unless i'm wrong.. it handles rars.
[01:56] <gunarm_> wxl, you mean untar?
[01:56] <sockmister> finally got it with "cd /home/c/Downloads/xmr-stak-cpu-master/bin; xfce4-terminal -e /home/c/Downloads/xmr-stak-cpu-master/bin/xmr-stak-cpu"
[01:56] <wxl> no. unar
[01:56] <Euph0ria> gunarm_: Chances are if it reports that it's not a rar archive, it's likely corrupt somehow.
[01:58] <Euph0ria> gunarm_: but you can usually recover some uncorrput files in the archive, even if the archive itself is corrupt.
[01:59] <gunarm_> Euph0ria, I really don't think it's corrupt.  7zip unpacks it and doesn't mention anything about it having to fix issues...  I see this frequently when it's a multifile archive where all the parts are .rar instead of part1 being .rar and then .r01 .r02 etc, that could be a red herring
[01:59] <gunarm_> wxl, trying unar
[02:00] <wxl> sheesh it took me forever to find the link to unar but here is https://theunarchiver.com/command-line
[02:01] <gunarm_> hah, sorry
[02:01] <Euph0ria> gunarm_: Yeah, 7-zip doesn't check for problems the way winrar does.  Good luck.
[02:01] <gunarm_> so unar gives more or less the same error.  maybe it actually is corrupt, and 7zip is just handling it somehow.
[02:01] <gunarm_> I'll chck the checksum
[02:02] <wxl> supposedly unar is supposed to handle multiple volumes
[02:02] <wxl> if that's the issue
[02:02] <wxl> i've never had a valid archive it couldn't crack open
[02:02] <wxl> of course i don't usually bother with weird rars much
[02:02] <gunarm_> I avoid it if I have a choice ;p
[02:03] <Euph0ria> gunarm_: There isn't a substitute for winrar out there, sadly.
[02:03] <wxl> i'm surprised 7z has better support because afaik it's got limited support for rars
[02:03] <gunarm_> well like Euph0ria it might just be sorta blundering through and not giving me a good file
[02:03] <wxl> meaning it doesn't cover all of its many variations
[02:03] <gunarm_> but unrar and unar are both like "wtf is this?  no!"
[02:04] <Euph0ria> gunarm_: If it's a split rar file, then you may have to try and re-acquire the file again, if you can.
[02:04] <Euph0ria> But I'm betting since you're trying to repair it, that's not an option.
[02:06] <gunarm_> I tried it already, I'm not exactly trying to repair it, I was more suspecting there was some new invention in rar format since 2010 that unrar didn't handle but 7z does, that's why I was asking about updating unrar.  Seems like that is wrong though
[02:06] <Euph0ria> gunarm_: RAR5
[02:06] <gunarm_> it's not a big deal, more I was just curiosu
[02:06] <gunarm_> Euph0ria, is that winrar only?
[02:08] <Euph0ria> gunarm_: To make them, I believe so.  To repair, most definitely.
[02:08] <gunarm_> Euph0ria, interesting.  I bet that's what this is.  I might install winrar just to get some info off of it
[02:11] <kenrin> Could try unrar-nonfree or whatever it called
[02:11] <wxl> i thought unrar WAS nonfree
[02:11] <Euph0ria> gunarm_: I have to use winrar to deal with a lot of rar files other software doesn't seem to like, and that's pretty much the only time.
[02:11] <kenrin> I thought there was two versions,  just one was free
[02:13] <Euph0ria> Tho, winrar will also let you do stuff like add PAR2-like error recovery data to archives, also.
[02:13] <Euph0ria> And that might trip up any number of archivers/compressor software.
[02:14] <Euph0ria> Especially if it came from Usenet.
[02:14] <wxl> omg did you just say usenet?
[02:14]  * wxl checks Euph0ria for a pulse
[02:14] <Euph0ria> lol
[02:15] <kenrin> Whats wrong with usenet
[02:15] <wxl> nothing. gopher's really useful, too
[02:15] <Euph0ria> kenrin: Not a thing, it's just been around for a long long time.
[02:15] <gunarm_> Euph0ria, interesting thought, the archive (according to winrar) is not rar5 but it very well might (ahem) have come from some place like what you described
[02:15] <Euph0ria> Still awesome.
[02:15] <kenrin> It has gotten better though,  I love sonarr
[02:17] <kenrin> You can build unrar from the rarlab website to get it fully updated
[02:24] <gunarm_> kenrin, intersting proposition.  FWIW winrar says no issues with the archive, all wierd features absent, so odd it won't open with unrar.  might build from source
[02:24] <kenrin> You using unrar or unrar-free ?
[02:25] <gunarm_> I'm not actually sure how to tell.  I know that unrar-nonfree is a thing but not sure how to switch
[02:26] <Euph0ria> gunarm_: segmented RAR files very frequently originate from Usenet, then get spread around on IRC, Torrents, etc...
[02:26] <kenrin> You can do a apt search unrar,  it should tell you which is installed
[02:29] <gunarm_> kenrin, ah yes ok it's unrar (not unrar-free)
[02:30] <kenrin> Ah no dice then,  the free one won't do any better
[02:39] <remline> I'm running Xenial -- what is the easiest way to install an Aardvark package along with all of its dependencies?
[02:44] <asarch> What is the name of the "Software Center" program (for CLI)=
[02:44] <asarch> ?
[02:44] <asarch> What is its binary name?
[02:46] <segersjerry> asarch, are you thinking of dselect?
[02:47] <Euph0ria> asarch: software-center
[02:47] <asarch> Thank you!
[02:47] <Dianaxxyyzz> how can i set apparmor to permisive?
[02:47] <Euph0ria> asarch: or /usr/bin/software-center
[02:47] <asarch> Thank you very much :-)
[03:07] <Euph0ria> Hexchat does Color? :o
[03:08] <kostkon> Yes
[03:11] <Dianaxxyyzz> ubuntu 16.04 can be run with any 3.+ kernel version?
[03:24] <xi4okv> hi
[03:24] <xi4okv> uit
[03:24] <xi4okv> quit
[03:24] <xi4okv> exit
[03:28] <user___> hi
[03:28] <user___> jj
[03:28] <user___> aa
[03:29] <K3rnel9> Hi
[03:35] <Dianaxxyyzz> fafdasdasdas
[03:35] <Dianaxxyyzz> asfdsfdsfds
[03:35] <Dianaxxyyzz> fdfds
[03:35] <Dianaxxyyzz> *testing keyboard*
[03:35] <Dianaxxyyzz> :)
[03:36] <ImANOOB_> Not exactly sure where to post this... but I'm stuck with my PC that is currently running ubuntu 14.04 on it, I am trying to install windows 7 and am having difficulties, can anyone help me troubleshoot? I've tried to use gparted to partition my drive but it's not allowing me to do so and I can't run ubuntu live mode on a USB it just boots to a black screen.....
[03:39] <xi4okv> hi
[03:39] <xi4okv> Is any one at here ?
[03:40] <K3rnel9> Hello World
[03:40] <xi4okv> oh no!
[03:40] <xi4okv> I can't say.
[03:40] <K3rnel9> If I could fly
[03:40] <Dianaxxyyzz> ImANOOB_: youshold stay with ubuntu for longer
[03:40] <xi4okv> ....
[03:41] <K3rnel9> Hor are u doing xi4okv?
[03:41] <K3rnel9> how**
[03:41] <Dianaxxyyzz> I'm fine , thanks
[03:41] <Dianaxxyyzz> :)
[03:42] <K3rnel9> great
[03:42] <K3rnel9> any ptoject?
[03:42] <Dianaxxyyzz> any project?
[03:42] <K3rnel9> maybe
[03:42] <Dianaxxyyzz> what project you want?
[03:43] <Dianaxxyyzz> brb i have to work
[03:43] <Dianaxxyyzz> c'ya all
[03:44] <K3rnel9> Ethical Hacker Knowledge Transfer
[03:46] <K3rnel9> Hi
[03:47] <xi4okv> clear
[03:47] <xi4okv> haha
[03:47] <K3rnel9> okdk
[03:47] <xi4okv> I'm back!
[03:47] <K3rnel9> welcome
[03:47] <xi4okv> Where are you from ?
[03:47] <K3rnel9> Brazil
[03:47] <krytarik> !ot
[03:48] <xi4okv> I like the football
[03:48] <K3rnel9> Lol, I don't
[03:48] <xi4okv> What ?
[03:48] <K3rnel9> not sure, I never had a good football Skill's
[03:49] <hggdh> folks, this is a support channel *only* please go elsewhere for generic chat
[03:49] <K3rnel9> sorry dude, thanks see ya
[03:49] <xi4okv> oh yeah..
[03:58] <dai> v
[04:00] <SmokinGrunts> w
[04:05] <dai> is there any tool  in ubuntu ,can collect document download link . like  spider tool?
[04:05] <dai> i don't have ability to coding , any easy tool
[04:09] <alumno__> HOla queria conectar el HDMI a la tele
[04:09] <kinasin> I recently got a different modem and these past two days my internet's not working after I suspend but it does turn back on after I restart computer.
[04:09] <kinasin> I'm now using an Arris TM822r. Kind of a linux newb so forgive me for dumb questions. If you need me to do something else for more info please let me know.
[04:09] <kinasin> I'm using ubuntu 17.10
[04:19] <kinasin> can someone please help me?
[04:20] <el> kinasin: doesn't seem like anyone around knows. you could ask in ##linux perhaps
[04:21] <kinasin> ok ty
[05:17] <xi4okv> The latest release version is 16.04 ?
[05:18] <xi4okv> How to install the ubuntu with cobbler?
[05:19] <xi4okv> Nobody ..
[05:19] <ulysses> Hey guys, I'm wondering why some Gnome 3 apps aren't themed, any ideas?
[05:19] <ulysses> Also have a icon in the upper right of all of my windows, how do I get rid of that?
[05:20] <segersjerry>  latest is 17.10 16.04 is latest long term service
[05:20] <ulysses> Nobody on here?
[05:23] <crond> if I deleted the apt source for the Intel 01.org driver updater, removed the updater, and install the Obiaf intel graphics ppa for 17.10, will I have remove all the intel graphics updater stuff I installed?
[05:24] <crond> Cause I did a 'probably stupid', manually changed my lsb-release to zesty, ran the Intel Graphics Updater, and the put lsb back.
[05:24] <crond> And then decided that likely wasn't a good idea
[05:25] <ulysses> Ouch
[05:25] <crond> Yeah.  Nothing SEEMS broken... but I don't know if I ought to reinstall because I've horribly broken things behind the scenes, or if installing the obiaf ppa replaced anything that would have been installed by the Intel tool, so I'm fine
[05:26] <ulysses> If it works, it works
[05:26] <ulysses> Just keep your data safe
[05:28] <crond> mmm I found a script to list WHERE each installed package I have came from, I'll try running this and | grep 01
[05:29] <crond> (01.org being the intel driver repo)
[05:30] <ulysses> Do ya thing
[05:37] <blue1> how do I change the default media player in ubuntu 16.04.  If I go into settings/preferred apps -- it's not there.
[05:38] <ulysses> Perhaps through right click, properties, select whatever app, set as default
[05:38] <ulysses> If nothing else works
[05:42] <blue1> ulysses: nope -- I have a mounted dvd -- when I right click on it, it only lets me select the app.
[05:42] <ulysses> Hmm
[05:43] <blue1> this used to be easy -- now -- not so....
[05:44] <blue1> with vlc it plays audio but no video.  I unchecked acceleration, and made the output X11.  No go.  Parole works fine -- so I want that as a default - but darned if I can figure out how to set it.
[05:48] <ulysses> What version of Ubuntu are you using? Any unique distro?
[05:50] <blue1> ubuntu 16.04
[05:51] <blue1> this is exactly what I am running:  Linux willymyth 4.4.0-112-generic #135-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 19 11:48:36 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:54] <blue1> hello again
[05:54] <blue1> I am running 16.04
[05:57] <xro> Hi, a basic question abour grep. I would like to search for IP in files with grep "grep -ri 10.10.10.10 *" but with that i will also match ip 10.10.10.101, 10.10.10.102, ...  what is the best way to fix it ?
[06:04] <blue1> done for the night
[06:04] <blue1> thank you
[06:06] <Flannel> xro: grep with a regular expressions and match a boundary.  Or if you know there's always "more" on the line, you could match anything *but* a digit.
[06:08] <xro> Flannel, anything or a digit looks promising...
[06:09] <Flannel> xro: but word boundary would work too, and you don't need to ensure there's something after it.
[06:09] <Flannel> xro: You'd also need to do something at the beginning to ensure you don't match 110.10.10.10
[06:10] <xro> Flannel, how does it work ?
[06:10] <Flannel> xro: How does what work?
[06:11] <Flannel> xro: "\b10\.10\.10\.10\b" would be your regular expression for using word boundaries.
[06:11] <Flannel> That will match 10.10.10.10 but not 10.10.10.100 or 110.10.10.10 (or 110.10.10.100)
[06:11] <xro> Flannel. i call grep from a python script. My first idea was to use '[ \"]x.x.x.x[ \"]' it works in bash bu not when i call it from python
[06:12] <Flannel> xro: If it works in bash but not in python-calling-grep, I'd expect you've got an issue with your escapes.
[06:12] <Flannel> (that is, you're not actually calling grep with the same arguments)
[06:13] <xro> yes, it looks like python subprocess does something wrong with \
[06:15] <Flannel> Without knowing details, I'll just posit that it's not doing anything wrong, you just need to remember to escape things for python too.  So depending on the purpose of your slash, you need \\.  One escape so python sees it as a literal slash and not a metacharacter.  (but in some cases, you'll need \\\)
[06:16] <xro> Ok, i'll double check it. Thank you
[06:22] <[twisti]> i set up postfix, and its working fine, but i keep getting bounce mails (its for a forum, so when someone accidentally signs up with bla@gmaaaaail.com i get a bounce that gmaaaail.com doesnt exist sent to my account). is there a way to configure those to go to /dev/null ?
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> !postfix | [twisti]
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> [twisti]: there is also a nice #postfix channel if you like
[07:58] <hendryirvin> hi, i got some problems
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> hendryirvin: welcome, how can we help you?
[07:59] <hendryirvin> i tried to play game on ubuntu, seems like something is missing to play game. any idea what file system should i install to play a game on ubuntu?
[08:00] <hendryirvin> i already install wine and playonlinux, the game can run in linux native
[08:00] <ducasse> hendryirvin: did you get any error messages?
[08:01] <hendryirvin> it just dont run, that's all
[08:01] <hendryirvin> from steam says launching, then the desktop maximized, then its back to original desktop size
[08:02] <tomreyn> do other steam games work?
[08:02] <hendryirvin> i just downloaded this recently
[08:02] <hendryirvin> only this game
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> hendryirvin: wich ubuntu version and graphics card?
[08:03] <hendryirvin> 16.04 lts
[08:03] <hendryirvin> intel hd 3000 graphics tho
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> hendryirvin: did you play games on ubuntu in the past on that card?
[08:04] <hendryirvin> i was on win
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> hendryirvin: could you try launching steam from terminal, perhaps we can catch usefull errors?
[08:06] <hendryirvin> how to run steam through terminal?
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> hendryirvin: type steam from a terminal
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> hendryirvin: your system up to date too?
[08:10] <hendryirvin> it was updated, through ubuntu software
[08:10] <[twisti]> !MailServer
[08:11] <hendryirvin> i have a lot of things going on terminal
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> hendryirvin: thats good, now when game drops back or dont start, hastebin the errors plz
[08:13] <tomreyn> !paste | hendryirvin
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> hendryirvin: can you run other games well as tomreyn asked?
[08:14] <hendryirvin> no other games installed yet
[08:14] <hendryirvin> just this one
[08:14] <tomreyn> hendryirvin: are you still working on making the terminal output available?
[08:16] <hendryirvin> im still figuring out how to pastebin
[08:17] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: in my experience, output of games started from steam won't add to the output of the steam process, though, they're started ina subshell. so unless something's broken in steam itself it won't show there.
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: just trying to widen his options, might show us something about graphics no?
[08:17] <hendryirvin> steam running perfectly,  its just the game
[08:18] <tomreyn> hendryirvin: this is for later only, to create a log of the very game you are trying to start, do this: start steam, click on 'library' and on the list of installed games, right-click your game, select properties. on the (default) 'general' tab, click on "set launch options", then type this: > /tmp/steam 2>&1
[08:19] <tomreyn> once you tried to start the game, you'll have a log in /tmp/steam; after installing the 'pastebinit' ubuntu package, you can post it online using: pastebinit /tmp/steam
[08:19] <hendryirvin> ohh, i dont have pastebin installed yet
[08:19] <hendryirvin> should i install it first?
[08:20] <tomreyn> hendryirvin: if you are going to try debugging the game itself and skip trying to debug steam now, yes.
[08:25] <hendryirvin> i use the steam log
[08:25] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: i agree it could have helped with detecting graphics issues.
[08:25] <hendryirvin> kinda hard to figure it out with pastebin
[08:26] <hendryirvin> where should i upload the steam log file?
[08:26] <tomreyn> hendryirvin: quoting myself: after installing the 'pastebinit' ubuntu package, you can post it online using: pastebinit /tmp/steam
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> hendryirvin: i would reccomend also see if your system up to date: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade and check sudo lshw -C video for your intel driver loaded
[08:28] <hendryirvin> i got the link from pastebinit, should i paste it here
[08:28] <hendryirvin> ?
[08:28] <tomreyn> hendryirvin: yes please
[08:28] <hendryirvin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26545415/
[08:29] <tomreyn> line 14 is the actual error
[08:30] <hendryirvin> how to solve it?
[08:30] <tomreyn> it looks like a bug in the game, search the steam forums for htis game ofr this message or for linux related topics, and search the web for this message, and contact the developers as a last resort.
[08:32] <tomreyn> hendryirvin: https://steamcommunity.com/app/238460/discussions/1/451848855012217196/ post #6 discusses a workaround which lasts until the next update.
[08:32] <hendryirvin> ohh, i already read about it. they said some libraries is missing to play this game. that's why i asked about libraries needed to run game on ubuntu
[08:34] <tomreyn> hendryirvin: looks like the actual bug in the game (which is critical on linux, and affects linux only, and 'only' open source graphics drivers like yours) has been unfixed for a year. which, i guess, means it will never be fixed.
[08:36] <hendryirvin> ouch, what a shame. this laptop is 8 years old. used to run a lot of things
[08:36] <hendryirvin> technology grow so fast
[08:37] <tomreyn> hendryirvin: it's not an issue with your computer, it's just a buggy game.
[08:38] <hendryirvin> thanks for the help, i really appreciate it
[08:38] <hendryirvin> better find another games
[08:39] <zapotah> been scratching my head with this one for a few days: having autoconf 1 specified in the interfaces file with inet6 static stanza does _not_ result in the interface having autoconf on it
[08:40] <zapotah> while it is clearly documented that it is possible to have autoconf 1 specified in addition to a static address on an interface
[08:42] <tomreyn> hendryirvin: welcome. consider a refund (if you paid for this game which is broken on Linux)
[08:43] <hendryirvin> nah, i enjoyed the game when i was on win. steam community did some tweaks and workarounds. gonna try some of it and lets see if it works
[08:43] <zapotah> this is either a bug with ifupdown or something reverts the autoconf value in kernel for the interface in which case its still a bug, but somewhere else
[08:44] <zapotah> 16.04 latest without hwa
[08:45] <zapotah> hwe*
[08:53] <nintend000> Hi. A free recommendation for screen recording tool? that mostly used by ubuntu users...
[08:53] <EriC^^> nintend000: recordmydesktop , or obs project for the more heavy stuff
[08:56] <nintend000> EriC^^,  thanks. would that help sudo apt-get install recordmydesktop gtk-recordmydesktop
[08:57] <EriC^^> nintend000: yes
[09:09] <gopal> akik: after acpi + tpm off(in bios) battery draine decrease a little bit
[09:12] <akik> gopal: i found a debian bug report yesterday about battery drain
[09:12] <gopal> akik: :) solved?
[09:13] <akik> gopal: but it's old from 2012, connected to hwclock and how it updates the rtc
[09:13] <akik> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694926
[09:16] <gopal> akik: TJ's acpi script turn it off
[09:16] <akik> gopal: turn what off?
[09:17] <gopal> akik: hwclock
[09:17] <akik> gopal: TJ-'s page doesn't mention the hwclock. did he tell you that's what it does?
[09:17] <gopal> akik: when i power off my laptop and power it on , clock dont show correct time
[09:22] <gopal> how to download kernel source code ?
[09:24] <akik> gopal: try writing that exact query to a web search engine
[09:26] <gopal> akik: i only want to get output of this  scripts/get_maintainer.pl -f kernel/power
[09:26] <akik> gopal: yes that script probably is in the tar package in scripts sub-dir
[09:27] <CodexRaptr> hi
[09:44] <zapotah> there is a bug with the ifupdown scripts
[09:45] <zapotah> if you have multiple inet6 static stanzas and they dont have _all_ of the same options, the stanza with the _least_ options is only considered
[09:45] <zapotah> is this design by choice or should it "merge" the config items from each stanza?
[09:46] <zapotah> example: d mngtmpaddr dynamic
[09:46] <zapotah>        valid_lft 44866sec preferred_lft 0sec
[09:46] <zapotah> damn
[09:46] <zapotah> example post-up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/autoconf
[09:47] <zapotah> if this is set only on _one_ of the inet6 static stanzas, it stays as zero
[09:47] <zapotah> same goes for having autoconf 1 in one of the stanzas
[09:51] <zapotah> i would expect the behavior to be "merged" instead of least denominator
[09:58] <psdk> hi, i have xubuntu. possible is switch window by text(some like in gnomeshell3)?
[10:01] <CalicoFlows> I am want to install this plugin https://github.com/openAVproductions/openAV-ArtyFX I am not sure how to do that exactly... should I just download the file and type the commands listed under Building, do I need these dependencies?
[10:03] <akik> CalicoFlows: the instructions seem to be on that page
[10:04] <akik> CalicoFlows: you read it but somehow started to doubt it?
[10:05] <akik> CalicoFlows: you probably also need to install cmake
[10:05] <CalicoFlows> akik, yeah... these commands don't seem to mention any files + 'cmake ..' looks like a weird command, doesnt it :)
[10:06] <akik> CalicoFlows: you clone the repo or download it, unpack, cd to it
[10:06] <akik> CalicoFlows: cmake .. is normal
[10:06] <akik> CalicoFlows: well, cmake normal
[10:07] <CalicoFlows> I see, so the cd part makes sense I guess :)
[10:07] <CalicoFlows> E: Package 'lv2core' has no installation candidate
[10:07] <akik> CalicoFlows: the document mentions debian
[10:08] <CalicoFlows> akik, is it going to be installed IN the folder where I execute these?
[10:08] <akik> CalicoFlows: if you haven't, check out the kxstudio repository. they package almost everything and they are compatible with ubuntu
[10:08] <akik> CalicoFlows: no, there'll be some default directory for the make install phase
[10:09] <CalicoFlows> akik, ah! so they include plugins such as this one in one repo?
[10:09] <akik> CalicoFlows: yes, but not sure about just this one
[10:10] <akik> CalicoFlows: i just checked, artyfx is there
[10:10] <CalicoFlows> akik, Ubuntu users can enable our repositories by installing this deb file: kxstudio-repos.deb
[10:11] <CalicoFlows> When I open it with Discovery, I get dependancies resolution failed
[10:12] <akik> CalicoFlows: is it for your distro version?
[10:13] <CalicoFlows> akik, I tried the latter file from that page http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Repositories
[10:13] <CalicoFlows> should I try the firsst one too?
[10:13] <akik> CalicoFlows: i'm using it on 16.04 and it works there
[10:14] <akik> CalicoFlows: you need both of those deb files
[10:15] <akik> "If you're using a system newer or equal to Debian 9 (Stretch) or Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial) you'll also need to enable GCC5 packages."
[10:15] <CalicoFlows> akik, I installed the first one successfully and then when I opened the second one - it worked, now I have both installed
[10:18] <CalicoFlows> akik, so now I rescanned for plugins in Ardour but it does not see them, should I reboot or something...
[10:18] <akik> CalicoFlows: ask in #ardour
[10:19] <akik> CalicoFlows: they also have a great manual on the web
[10:19] <Guest54639> is there a site that will host my .ogv screenrecord?
[10:19] <akik> http://manual.ardour.org/toc/
[10:23] <CalicoFlows> akik, thanks a lot man, I don't know where I'd be without you, haha!
[10:24] <CalicoFlows> most likely, would have been back to Windows by now, to be quite honest... :)
[10:25] <akik> CalicoFlows: yes the audio stuff in linux is not really plug & play
[10:25] <CalicoFlows> akik, I do not mean the audio stuff only at all, really haha
[10:27] <CalicoFlows> from the flicker to all of it... by the way, I was offline for a couple of days, and the flickers were crazy, my laptop was barely usable, the compositor made everything extremely laggy
[10:27] <CalicoFlows> as soon as I regained access to the internet - now it's perfect again... any ideas as to why this might be the case
[10:28] <akik> CalicoFlows: did you try a newer mainline kernel? sometimes newer kernels can fix problems
[10:30] <CalicoFlows> akik, I haven't taken any additional steps no, I just update my system as usual
[10:30] <akik> CalicoFlows: you can use the ukuu program to try them out http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/ukuu-easy-way-to-install-mainline-kernel-ubuntu
[10:31] <akik> CalicoFlows: don't worry about the warnings :)
[10:32] <CalicoFlows> akik, I bookmarked the url, should I bother for now as it seems to be fine? Should I do only that if it goes bad again
[10:32] <akik> CalicoFlows: don't fix what isn't broken?
[10:32] <akik> CalicoFlows: maybe you have a broken power source or some other thing
[10:36] <CalicoFlows> akik, I don't know man, watching movies was such a drag... I was away, had a number of movies downloaded. Skipping and rewinding was out the question, all video would freeze. Also the video would freeze every 5min or so, regardless. I'll see how it's gonna perform when I watch another movie
[10:36] <CalicoFlows> What do you mean a broken power source or so?
[10:36] <akik> CalicoFlows: i mean, if the problem comes and goes, it's hard to pinpoint it
[10:40] <CalicoFlows> I see. The fact that I am able to fix it in the first place makes me relax, lel. My previous laptop just had the wrong hardware for linux...
[10:40] <CalicoFlows> I am running low on batteries, I'll be back later.
[10:41] <akik> CalicoFlows: i'm certain at one point with intel graphics, i was able to fix the flickering with a newer kernel
[10:44] <grauzikas> hello, file /etc/apt/source.list is reading by alphabet? asking because i have added closer mirrors what starts with first letter m at first place on file but all packages are downloaded anyway from archive.ubuntu.com
[10:46] <akik> grauzikas: did you run sudo apt-get update after editing?
[10:49] <grauzikas> akik yes i updated source list
[10:50] <grauzikas> and runned apt-get clean && apt-get update
[11:09] <andirc8000> how can I devise a script to automatically reconnect to wi-fi connection upon disconnect in lubuntu? what happens now is that after disconnection when computer is left unattended, a 'Network Dialog' pops up & prompts me to reconnect. I want this to be done automatically
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:12] <sodyy-girl> is there a site that will host my .ogv screenrecord?
[11:15] <yosefrow> andirc8000, I'm not familiar with lubuntu, but if it uses networkmanager, you can try to modify the network with nmcli
[11:15] <yosefrow> andirc8000, additionally, there may be an option in the network manager dialog to automatically reconnect
[11:20] <BillD73> sodyy-girl: i use my providers personal web space when i need to host a vid providing it has the space
[11:28] <sodyy-girl> BillD73, your line provides no help for me
[11:38] <ecormier> sodyy-girl: google drive?
[11:39] <ecormier> private youtube?
[11:49] <JimBunbtu> sodyy-girl, Tried Flickr ? They claim to accept OGV up to 1GB
[11:51] <ducasse> or transfer.sh, which accepts any kind of file up to 10g for 14 days
[11:52] <BillD73> I have 3 DE installed, Ubuntu default(Unity), Xubuntu and XFCE, with this old ASUS Eee PC, XFCE seems to run the best for a DE. Assume it will it be safe to remove Unity and Xubuntu.
[11:55] <ecormier> xubuntu is a distro, not a DE
[11:55] <BillD73> hmm well that explains a few things lol
[11:56] <ducasse> BillD73: the xubuntu entry you see on the login screen is just an xfce session
[11:57] <BillD73> though it lists XFCE as well as Ubuntu, so is that Xubuntu and old session?  Guess Im missing something
[11:57] <ecormier> I'd guess that xubuntu is the ubuntu version of xfce, where xfce is vanilla upstream?
[11:57] <ducasse> 'xfce' is a default xfce session, 'xubuntu' is set up the way the xubuntu devs want it
[11:58] <ecormier> ^^
[11:58] <BillD73> jsut seen where installing XFCE and a full Xubuntu leads to duplicate "application" entries. Wondered about those same ones twice
[11:59] <brainwash> the duplicates are probably from having Unity installed also
[12:00] <brainwash> with unity and xfce/xubuntu you will have two different file managers, music players, etc.
[12:01] <brainwash> BillD73: or do you mean the Applications panel button?
[12:02] <BillD73> no, just notice in App button that occasionaly some entries have a 2nd on. Not all of them
[12:02] <brainwash> ok
[12:02] <brainwash> then my explanation is correct
[12:04] <BillD73> ok, well I'm not outo f space by no means so its not a big deal
[12:07] <brainwash> BillD73: you could try "sudo apt remove unity" followed by a "sudo apt autoremove"
[12:08] <brainwash> the second command should remove unity related packages
[12:09] <BillD73> brainwash: thats better then they one Iw as looking at earlier, basically it wanted to add a bunch of gnome stuff
[12:09] <brainwash> it works?
[12:10] <brainwash> it could be that removing only the "unity" package initially is not enough to mark the remaining packages as unneeded
[12:11] <brainwash> in 17.10 there is "unity-session"
[12:11] <brainwash> in older versions it's probably named differently
[12:12] <BillD73> brainwash: yeah I dont do much on here, lotta ssh to other systems  I may strip it and do a scratch install with only Xubuntu
[12:12] <brainwash> that would be the cleanest solution
[12:12] <BillD73> maybe sun I'll do it lol
[12:22] <BillD73> brainwash: so form the command line, how do I tell what version I really want i386/amd64? Ubuntu live did all that digging?
[12:22] <BillD73> assume I will only need a 32bit as old as this thing is
[12:24] <brainwash> BillD73: check with "lscpu"
[12:24] <BillD73> thx
[12:26] <BillD73> seems it supports 64bit   dont really know what the diff is in 32 vs 64
[12:28] <ecormier> these days there's better support in 64bit, but you definitely want to use it if you have more than 4gb of ram
[12:29] <BluesKaj> or use PAE
[12:29] <BillD73> this things only got 1gb lol
[12:29] <brainwash> 32bit then
[12:29] <BluesKaj> that's borderline
[12:30] <BillD73> yeah   its the reason I installed xfce   unity was a dog lol
[12:30] <ecormier> I would go with 64 personally... I'd only use 32 bit if my efi forced me to
[12:30] <ecormier> 32 will go away at some point
[12:31] <ecormier> and with multilib systems, 64b can run 32b
[12:31] <brainwash> but the system is very low end
[12:32] <BluesKaj> installing more memory would definitely help, and it's cheap now
[12:33] <ecormier> brainwash: 64 bit should run better
[12:33] <ecormier> brainwash: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_x86_1304&num=4
[12:34] <ecormier> >> "the 64-bit version of Ubuntu generally delivers superior performance over 32-bit Ubuntu"
[12:34] <BillD73> idk that its even possible to update the memory in this thing, never looked into it.. no idea what kind it has etc.
[12:34] <brainwash> is that still the case? the benchmark is 5 years old
[12:36] <ecormier> brainwash: yes
[12:37] <ecormier> 64 is the future, 32 is the past (compatibility)
[12:38] <ecormier> brainwash: trust me, if you don't have a specific reason to run 32, you want to run 64
[12:38] <brainwash> but there is a reason, 1GB ram
[12:39] <ecormier> and how does 32bit improve over 64bit in that case
[12:39] <brainwash> 64bit usually has a bigger footprint
[12:39] <BillD73> brb gettin kids ready an off to school
[12:40] <ecormier> brainwash: do whatever you want, I've given my opinion but it's your system
[12:40] <brainwash> nope. not mine
[12:40] <ecormier> :) sure
[12:41] <BluesKaj> well , run sudo lshw -C memeory to check the type of RAM that's installed
[12:41] <BluesKaj> memory
[12:42] <BluesKaj> BillD73,^
[12:44] <adalbert> (SOLVED) - Macbook Pro 2011(early) BCM4331 Wifi not working on kernel 4.4.0-108 and 4.4.0-109 -> https://askubuntu.com/questions/994879/solved-macbook-pro-2011early-bcm4331-wifi-not-working-on-kernel-4-4-0-108
[12:44] <ecormier> brainwash: I will mention that you won't be able to run any 64bit only software
[12:44] <brainwash> obviously
[12:44] <ecormier> without qemu or something :)
[12:44] <Harm133> Hey guys, I have a (old) machine. I´m booting it via hyperv. Problem with it is that after about 30 seconds post-boot the network disconnects. Only way to fix is rebooting. Any ideas?\
[12:49] <ferran> hello, I have a problem with PowerTop. I have a xiaomi mibook pro and my battery is working only for 2-3h after it drain totally. I installed PowerTop but is not working it give me the next error: https://pastebin.com/GFVD94qM
[12:49] <ferran> could someone help me? thanks!! :)
[12:52] <BillD73> back   I do have a couple older winders laptops, may dig em out and see what works and doesnt lol  faster cpu, bigger screens(bonus!) lol
[12:54] <ecormier> brainwash: a more recent benchmark: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-1710-x8664&num=1
[13:01] <CrippZ> hello?
[13:01] <gracious1> hello
[13:01] <CrippZ> im new
[13:02] <CrippZ> ....
[13:02] <CrippZ> ??
[13:02] <Mathisen> CrippZ, and....
[13:02] <CrippZ> hi
[13:03] <Mathisen> CrippZ, this is more of a supprt channel, maybe go to #chat or #defocus if you just want to talk
[13:03] <CrippZ> #chat
[13:03] <CrippZ> whats that?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> CrippZ,  do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[13:05] <BluesKaj> so, no :-)
[13:15] <chl_> has anyone played around with RFC7710 by any chance?
[13:25] <ferranubuntaire> someone expert in power-top?
[13:50] <someguy> Hello. I just created a second user account and it can view all the files of my main account. Is this the default behavior (or did I screw something up)?
[13:52] <someguy> This is a messed up default behavior IMO. Oh well.
[13:55] <BillD73> someguy: what all did you do when adding 2nd user?
[13:55] <akik> someguy: the default for home dirs is 755 and that allows viewing other user's dirs
[13:56] <akik> someguy: that's as much as i know about it :)
[13:56] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/46501/why-can-other-users-see-the-files-in-my-home-folder
[13:57] <tomreyn> ^old, but still holds true
[13:57] <ark`> Hi, I'm having an issue with keyboard configuration in initramfs ; I have set up my system with full disk encryption, after setting the keyboard to fr oss. Then when rebooting, on the passphrase prompt, the keyboard is in qwerty. I tried to dpkg-reconfigure console-data, console-common and keyboard-configuration, add KEYMAP=y in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf then rebooting. But nothing seems to work,
[13:57] <ark`> does anyone have any idea how to fix that?
[13:57] <ark`> (running ubuntu 17.10)
[13:58] <someguy> This default means another user can view everything. All downloads, all browser history, all browser favorites, and so on. Having a password is quiet misleading when this is true.
[13:58] <tomreyn> someguy: you can also setup encrypted home directories
[13:59] <someguy> tomreyn: Sure. I'm just taking the perspective of a family with a home computer that aren't tech oriented
[14:00] <ecormier> ark`: I just ran into this
[14:01] <akik> someguy: if you set the dir modes to 700, they'll stay that way. and for new user creation, change the mode in /etc/adduser.conf
[14:01] <tomreyn> someguy: it's an option during installation for some years now. i would think it is not default be4cause (a) it introduces complexity, (b) introduces overhead, (c) most desktop computers are single user systems these days.
[14:01] <CalicoFlows> akik, https://youtu.be/ChsSj3MDQuo :)
[14:01] <ecormier> ark`: https://askubuntu.com/questions/977489/keyboard-layout-in-luks-prompt/1003908#1003908
[14:02] <ark`> ecormier: nice, thanks :) I'll try that
[14:02] <tomreyn> someguy: for the "change the mode in /etc/adduser.conf" step akik just mentioned, you can also just: sudo dpkg-reconfigure adduser
[14:02] <someguy> tomreyn: Maybe computers are single user. But then your cousin needs to use your compute for a sec and you quickly create a "guest_user"
[14:03] <akik> tomreyn: do you know where i could see the list of different "things" i can modify with dpkg-reconfigure?
[14:03] <crash__> Hello, friends. I'm trying to create an init.d file(https://paste.ubuntu.com/26546578/) to automatically start my minecraft server on boot. I added it to default runlevels(update-rc.d start_spigot.sh defaults). It works perfectly when I manually start on the command line(/etc/init.d/start_spigot.sh start), but doesn't start on boot. What am I missing?
[14:03] <someguy> for the purpose of not having to trust him with our privacy
[14:03] <someguy> your*
[14:04] <tomreyn> akik: not off the top off my head, no
[14:05] <tomreyn> someguy: sure, it's a very legitimate use case. i was just responding to you (i think - sorry if it wasn't you!) pointing out that it is a bad default
[14:05] <jetsaredim> can someone tell me where the grub boot menu is located?
[14:05] <jetsaredim> for some reason my system is hanging on creating an initrd for my current running kernel
[14:06] <jetsaredim> I want to reboot but I'm afraid that the default kernel's initrd might be hosed
[14:06] <jetsaredim> and i only have a bluetooth keyboard so i can't mess around in the grub menu on boot
[14:06] <tomreyn> jetsaredim: the boot menu configuration is at /boot/grub/grub.cfg. i tis generated by update-grub (and will then overwrite previous versions)
[14:07] <crash__> jetsaredim: /boot/grub/grub.cfg is where you'll find the menu, among other config details, but I'm not sure that's what you're looking for
[14:08] <jetsaredim> yea i need to figure out where to change the default kernel
[14:09] <tomreyn> jetsaredim: you should definitely try to work around this keyboard situation, any mistake you make now can make the system unbootable from oyur current installation
[14:10] <jetsaredim> tomreyn: i moved a few months back and my wired keyboards are in storage
[14:10] <ark`> ecormier: that worked, thanks again :D
[14:12] <jetsaredim> i'm not even sure i have any other kernels installed
[14:12] <jetsaredim> dpkg lists a number of linux-image packages as installed
[14:12] <tomreyn> jetsaredim: so, unless you removed them, they're still in /boot/
[14:12] <tomreyn> *removed them manually
[14:14] <Nozarashi> i don't have idea .... about how to use irc clients
[14:14] <tomreyn> jetsaredim: if you're unsure whetehr you'll be able to boot, you should ensure you have a ubuntu installer readyily written to bootable media / storage
[14:14] <Nozarashi> any guides ?
[14:14] <jetsaredim> tomreyn: i actually do as i just reinstalled my laptop
[14:15] <tomreyn> Nozarashi: http://freenode.net/kb/all and http://www.irchelp.org
[14:16] <tomreyn> Nozarashi: there is also the #freenode channel here as well as several channels for different IRC clients.
[14:16] <tomreyn> good, so at least you have a way to recover
[14:16] <tomreyn> jetsaredim: ^
[14:16] <akik> jetsaredim: i'm not sure if this helps, but it's possible to boot your current storage device a second time with kvm. of course you shouldn't boot the os the second time but you could see the grub menu
[14:17] <akik> jetsaredim: you can do this with "sudo kvm -m 1024 /dev/sdX" after installing qemu-kvm
[14:23] <akik> jetsaredim: ok i'll take that back as the default for grub is zero timeout
[14:23] <akik> jetsaredim: so it's dangerous
[14:26] <romtsjo> Drone, hie! need your help with flatpak on ubuntu
[14:26] <romtsjo> Drone, all the way have error
[14:28] <romtsjo> guys! anyone have idea, how to make flatpak to work in Ubuntu?
[14:29] <akik> romtsjo: https://flatpak.org/getting.html ?
[14:30] <akik> A flatpak package is available in Ubuntu 16.10 and newer via universe, however this is an older version, and it's recommended that you use the one from the PPA.
[14:32] <romtsjo> akik, that's why I have eroor?
[14:32] <romtsjo> akik, sorry... error
[14:32] <akik> romtsjo: i don't know, you haven't shown anything
[14:38] <romtsjo> akik, now I'm on debian
[14:39] <akik> romtsjo: but this is ubuntu support
[14:39] <romtsjo> akik, but I can't open flatpakref from flathub
[14:40] <romtsjo> akik, I'm on another computer
[14:40] <romtsjo> akik, someone write, that trouble with systemd automount
[14:41] <spacevisionary> hey! anybody here using 17.10, preferrably Kubuntu?
[14:41] <rollingubuntu> hey! anyone here who can help me troubleshoot workspace switching on ubuntu desktop?
[14:41] <spacevisionary> rollingubuntu: what is the problem?
[14:42] <rollingubuntu> spacevisionary: I can no longer switch workspaces using CTRL + ALT + arrows :(
[14:42] <akik> romtsjo: i just installed flatpak and enable flathub. can you give me a flatpak command that fails for you?
[14:42] <zetheroo> Ubuntu 16.04 here - 'isql: command not found' - any ideas?
[14:43] <spacevisionary> rollingubuntu: what have you changed?
[14:43] <romtsjo> akik, I installed it not manually
[14:43] <akik> romtsjo: so tell me what to do
[14:43] <romtsjo> akik, just by clicking on flathub link for program
[14:43] <rollingubuntu> spacevisionary: I do not remember changing anything. I believe it happened after some ubuntu update?
[14:44] <akik> romtsjo: which program?
[14:44] <romtsjo> akik, for example, Telegram
[14:44] <romtsjo> akik, and Viber
[14:44] <spacevisionary> rollingubuntu: i believe there is a manager for that, have you checked? maybe some settings have been changed...
[14:45] <spacevisionary> rollingubuntu: probably "compiz"
[14:45] <spacevisionary> rollingubuntu: or another window manager
[14:46] <rollingubuntu> spacevisionary: if you mean CompizConfig Settings Manager, then yes, I did look around, however, could see no problems there
[14:46] <akik> romtsjo: this is not going to work for me :) it just started to download plasm 5
[14:46] <akik> romtsjo: $ flatpak install flathub org.telegram.desktop
[14:46] <akik> romtsjo: try that
[14:47] <spacevisionary> rollingubuntu: so, I suspect it does nothing when you use the hotkeys?
[14:47] <romtsjo> akik, thanks. I will try
[14:48] <rollingubuntu> spacevisionary: correct, however, only for workspace switching (other hotkeys work, ex. open a terminal or open the home folder)
[14:49] <samuel69> hi
[14:50] <akik> well flatpak worked but on a plasma 5.8.8 system, it download 300 megs of plasma 5.9 first
[15:19] <antonm> Hi
[15:19] <antonm> Is there any way to install Ubuntu on a Surface 3 (non-pro)?
[15:28] <swein> what's the 18.04 channel?
[15:29] <leftyfb> !bionic | swein
[15:31] <lupulo> hi
[15:34] <bundito> Hey all - my Xorg log file shows my displays continuously disconnecting and reconnecting... any ideas?
[15:35] <ducasse> bundito: check that the cable is properly attached at both ends
[15:36] <bundito> ducasse: Could that also be the cause of my keyboard lag with my new Nvidia card?
[15:39] <ducasse> bundito: dunno, just a guess
[15:40] <Ricardus> Finally got lubuntu running on my old Mini 9. The display looked fine during install, or if you ran it live, but once you rbooted after install it tried running the display in an unsupported mode and was all garbled.
[15:44] <cxm> 第一次使用
[15:44] <ducasse> !cn
[15:44] <cxm> 恩恩  cn
[15:44] <cxm> hello
[15:46] <cxm> 不太清楚这个东西
[15:46] <cxm> 。。。。
[15:46] <gelswip> hi, i'm trying to find out if a recent 'apt dist-upgrade' has caused an issue; how can i view the upgrade history?
[15:47] <lupulo> cxm, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[15:47] <leftyfb> !cn | cxm
[15:47] <ducasse> gelswip: /var/log/apt/history.log
[15:48] <ducasse> gelswip: also term.log in the same dir
[15:48] <gelswip> cheers
[15:48] <lupulo> gelswip, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto
[15:50] <cxm> to sleep now is midnight in china
[15:51] <cxm> baibai
[15:56] <gopal_> where i can get paid support ?
[15:58] <ducasse> ask canonical
[15:59] <MkllTech> hello
[16:03] <rollingubuntu> spacevisionary: have you got any more ideas perhaps? :D
[16:10] <marataziat> hi
[16:12] <tomreyn> hello there
[16:16] <marataziat> hi
[16:16] <wannado> half an hour ago I issued the following command, which I can't stop by Ctrl+c - why did it get stuck and consumes 100% of one processor and how can I kill it? Command: find ./thumb* ! -perm -g=w -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 664
[16:17] <tomreyn> marataziat: hi again
[16:18] <bundito> wannado: try 'pgrep <command_name>'
[16:18] <bundito> that will give you the process id
[16:18] <bundito> then 'sudo kill -9 <process_id>'
[16:20] <bundito> That usually kills almost anything
[16:21] <wannado> bundito, 'pgrep find' as well as 'pgrep chmod' don't return anything
[16:22] <bundito> wannado: did you try 'top'?
[16:23] <wannado> bundito, thanks - found it in top under the 'bash' - that should do
[16:24] <bundito> wannado: Cool. There are a zillion options for 'top', including sorting by CPU% or RAM%
[16:24]  * bundito is pleased he actually helped someone
[16:25] <wannado> bundito, worked - top is nice :)
[16:27] <ecormier> htop and glances are nice too
[16:30] <leftyfb> Anyone know how to preseed answer the question asked when we don't specify a mount point for a partition being created using partman?
[16:36] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i do not know. but according to the swap example in https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/example-preseed.txt the correct answer may be: -
[16:37] <leftyfb> ?
[16:37] <leftyfb> I don't follow
[16:37] <BloqueNegro> hi all together :)
[16:38] <tomreyn> leftyfb: search for this line: #d-i partman-auto-raid/recipe string \
[16:38] <Ty> Excuse me, is this a place for tech support?
[16:38] <tomreyn> leftyfb: then compare how the mount points for the various file systems are provided
[16:38] <BloqueNegro> when setting net.ipv6.conf.all.use_tempaddr=2 (which is done per default by the 10-ipv6-privacy.conf file) it does nothing
[16:38] <thinky_> hey there
[16:39] <leftyfb> tomreyn: that's using d-i to partition. I'm using partman auto
[16:39] <BloqueNegro> to enable it, i have to set it explicit for the interface
[16:39] <tomreyn> Guest98193: yes, this is the ubuntu tech support channel
[16:39] <thinky_> is there any free vpn i can use on ubuntu?
[16:39] <tomreyn> leftyfb: oh, sorry, my bad.
[16:39] <BloqueNegro> atleast unless i use network-manager, which i wont do on my server
[16:39] <leftyfb> thinky_: all of them available on ubuntu are free. The most popular being openvpn
[16:39] <BloqueNegro> thinky_: tinc-vpn or openvpn
[16:39] <BloqueNegro> tinc-vpn is much easier to set up, openvpn is older
[16:40] <thinky_> i have openvpn but i dont know how to use it
[16:40] <BloqueNegro> then have a look at tinc-vpn, was much easier to get into it
[16:40] <leftyfb> thinky_: if you're asking about vpn services, that is beyond the scope of this channel and really nothing to do with ubuntu
[16:40] <BloqueNegro> for openvpn, maybe ask in #openvpn :)
[16:40] <thinky_> ok thx
[16:40] <BloqueNegro> still wonderig if ignoring net.ipv6.conf.all.use_tempaddr is a bug or a feature :>
[16:41] <tomreyn> leftyfb: wait, isn't partman-auto always run through d-i ?
[16:41] <leftyfb> tomreyn: yes
[16:41] <leftyfb> tomreyn: but it's got it's on recipes
[16:41] <leftyfb> own*
[16:42] <leftyfb> tomreyn: in particular, I'm using partman-auto/expert_recipe string
[16:42] <tomreyn> leftyfb: okay but if you look at the partman-auto expert_recipe for linux-swap on this example, it just doesn't specify a mount point and that seems to work.
[16:43] <leftyfb> tomreyn: sure, but the installer will ask you to confirm not fixing the lack of mount point
[16:43] <tomreyn> leftyfb:  okay, and using "mountpoinut{ - }" (without the quotes) there doesn't work?
[16:44] <tomreyn> leftyfb:  okay, and using "mountpoint{ - }" (without the quotes) there doesn't work?
[16:44] <leftyfb> trying now
[16:44] <Ty123> Please guys I am desperate for help. My Windows 10 OS was broken so I needed to temporarily get Ubuntu. Except Ubuntu is very confusing for non-technical people. So right now I've been trying to boot to a USB Drive with Windows on it and it would always come to a screen that said "The computer has started using the windows Installation disc. Remove the installation disc and restart your computer so Windows starts normally."
[16:44] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i'd also try the empty string as in "mountpoint{ }" if you heaven't tried this, yet
[16:44] <Ty123> However, after removing the disc and restarting normally, it goes to a GRUB screen and I can only select either Ubuntu or Windows Recover which puts me into a loop.
[16:44] <BloqueNegro> Ty123: did you just come to an ubuntu channel and ask for windows support?
[16:45] <BloqueNegro> use the stick and wipe the disk completly
[16:45] <leftyfb> Ty123: your question has nothing to do with ubuntu. You're trying to boot Windows from USB. That's a Windows question. Try #windows
[16:45] <Ty123> the Windows subreddit pointed me here and said it was a problem with GRUB
[16:45] <thinky_> configurin openvpn is too difficult :o
[16:46] <BloqueNegro> :D
[16:46] <thinky_> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-openvpn-server-on-ubuntu-16-04
[16:46] <leftyfb> Ty123: are is your end goal?
[16:46] <thinky_> a lot of things to do
[16:46] <leftyfb> er
[16:46] <leftyfb> Ty123: what is your end goal?
[16:46] <hggdh> BloqueNegro: please do NOT propose destructive actions
[16:46] <hggdh> BloqueNegro: not even as a joke
[16:46] <leftyfb> tomreyn: btw, that did not work
[16:46] <Ty123> My end goal is to have Windows on my computer. I know it sounds like I'm just messing with you guys but I'm not.
[16:46] <tomreyn> leftyfb: :-/ neither variant?
[16:47] <leftyfb> Ty123: then that is 100% a #windows problem
[16:47] <Ty123> sorry to bother you
[16:47] <akik> leftyfb: he's trying to remove grub
[16:47] <BloqueNegro> hggdh: i read it and thougt he just reinstalled windows
[16:47] <BloqueNegro> so all data would already be wiped ;)
[16:47] <leftyfb> akik: negative, he's trying to install Windows, which will remove grub on it's own as part of the install process
[16:47] <hggdh> BloqueNegro: still. Please be *very* careful on that.
[16:48] <akik> leftyfb: well he writes that he's getting grub, and expecting windows boot
[16:48] <leftyfb> Ty123: it is completely irrelevant what is currently on your hard drive. Once you get a Windows installer working, it will override whatever is on the hard drive. It will not care if it's Ubuntu or Redhat or Windows XP. It will wipe it and install Windows.
[16:48] <BloqueNegro> hggdh: k, i don't want anybody to loose data
[16:48] <BloqueNegro> obviously
[16:49] <Ty123> How do I go to #windows?
[16:49] <leftyfb> akaWolf: In this case, removing GRUB will solve absolutely nothing
[16:49] <leftyfb> Ty123: type: /join #windows
[16:50] <leftyfb> Ty123: your best bet is probably take your pc to a Windows store, call Microsoft or find a local shop that'll help you reinstall Windows on your computer
[16:51] <BloqueNegro> leftyfb: i don't want to appear rude, but do you have any idea about the use_tempaddr behaviour?
[16:52] <leftyfb> BloqueNegro: negative. I've never played with ipv6 or it's settings
[16:54] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I tried the empty string first, then -
[16:54] <BloqueNegro> any idea where to ask?
[16:55] <tomreyn> leftyfb: :-/ ok, thanks for letting me know
[16:55] <leftyfb> BloqueNegro: potentially here. Though you'll have to be patient and wait for someone with the knowledge/experience to be around
[16:55] <BloqueNegro> k, thank you
[16:56] <BloqueNegro> i assume its some kind of issue since i use a bridge, but i'll see
[17:01] <gopal> how to download ubuntu 14.04lts in mall size ?
[17:01] <gopal> small zise
[17:01] <gopal> size
[17:02] <tomreyn> you can download the server installation or mini.iso
[17:02] <xpheres> hello, I have two problems and I did not find any solution on internet.
[17:02] <xpheres> 1, last two kernels linux-image-extra-4.13.0-32-generic  and linux-image-extra-4.13.0-31-generic do not boot at all
[17:03] <xpheres> second problem, I'm unable to install a software called Simple UVC Viewer, reason: can not be installed because depends on libguvcview-2.0-2 but this dependency can neither be installed because of defect packets
[17:04] <gopal> tomreyn: it dont have gui
[17:04] <tomreyn> xpheres: which ubuntu release is this?
[17:04] <xpheres> 17
[17:05] <tomreyn> gopal: yes, that's right. you didn't say that was a requirement. the server installation has a textual UI, though.
[17:05] <xpheres> tomreyn ubuntu 17
[17:05] <gopal> tomreyn: i need desktop
[17:05] <tomreyn> xpheres: there's no "ubuntu 17", there are "17.04" and "17.10"
[17:06] <xpheres> 17.10 tomreyn
[17:06] <WorkAllDay> Hey guys, I'm hoping anyone can help me figure out why my dedicated server from Hetzner (Ubuntu 16.04) gets disconnected from the outside world every couple of days. It ran perfectly for about a year, but in the past few months I've been having several disconnects. A hardware restart always fixes it, but I'd love to figure out the root cause. Their support did a diagnostic and said everything looks perfect
[17:06] <tomreyn> gopal: you can alwaysinstall the desktop later.
[17:06] <gopal> tomreyn: is it possible to download source and built it on my system ? i have 5gth gen and ssd + 12gb ram
[17:06] <gopal> tomreyn: on min sio desktop , i can install desktop ?
[17:07] <WorkAllDay> so I should "check the logs" and try to figure out what could be going wrong. I literally haven't changed anything -- right now I can connect just fine, but every once in a while it disconnects and becomes 'unpingable' (but doesn't shut down)
[17:07] <WorkAllDay> Anyone have any ideas where I could look to even begin troubleshooting?
[17:07] <tomreyn> gopal: of course it is, but it's not a 10 minute process. and i don't have time to guide you.
[17:07] <ecormier> gopal: install server and once it's installed sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop
[17:07] <WorkAllDay> They offered to move me to a different server but I have so much stuff installed from my 2+ years with the company that I'd really prefer not to have to set everything up again
[17:08] <gopal> tomreyn: plz see this https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665 ecormier  you too plz
[17:08] <BloqueNegro> WorkAllDay: maybe ask for a lara?
[17:08] <WorkAllDay> BloqueNegro, what's a lara?
[17:08] <BloqueNegro> before restarting?
[17:08] <BloqueNegro> https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/KVM-Console
[17:08] <BloqueNegro> assuming you have a root server
[17:09] <tomreyn> !info libguvcview-2.0-2 artful | xpheres
[17:09] <WorkAllDay> ah, yes, I've seen that before. but I wouldn't have a clue what to do with it :(
[17:09] <BloqueNegro> its quite easy
[17:10] <BloqueNegro> they connect it and send you a mail with and jnlp file
[17:10] <tomreyn> xpheres: so this package does exist for your release. why it's said to be broken will be something specific to your system.
[17:10] <WorkAllDay> oh yeah, no, I've gotten a KVM before
[17:10] <BloqueNegro> oh ok^^
[17:10] <tomreyn> xpheres: you'd need to provide more information to have this debugged.
[17:10] <BloqueNegro> myabe have a look at your interfaces and dmesg?
[17:10] <WorkAllDay> I just mean, to try to figure out what was going wrong. I tried poking around but ultimately gave up and had them just reboot the thing again
[17:10] <xpheres> ok tomreyn, I tried everything to solve the brocken packages but nothing works
[17:10] <WorkAllDay> maybe next time I'm having issues, I'll get a KVM console and come back here, see if anyone can help me try to find where I should even look
[17:10] <ecormier> gopal: there's nothing I can help you with concerning your laptop hardware
[17:10] <ducasse> gopal: haven't you been told quite a few times there's nothing we can do for you on the bug report, and to stop asking about it here?
[17:11] <WorkAllDay> it's just so strange that it works great for a few days, no issues at all, and then all of a sudden my website becomes unreachable, etc.
[17:11] <tomreyn> xpheres: ... such as the "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt -f install" and "apt-cache policy libguvcview-2.0-2" outputs.
[17:11] <gopal> ducasse: i found TJ on #ubuntu and he helped me a lot
[17:11] <WorkAllDay> BloqueNegro, anything in particular to look for in interfaces / dmesg?
[17:11] <BloqueNegro> can you still reach the server via ssh?
[17:11] <BloqueNegro> or is it completly unresponsive?
[17:11] <crond> This is so weird.  When I connect to discord all audio is crackly as hell for like... 45 seconds
[17:11] <gopal> ducasse: can you guide me on installing ubuntu 14.04 lts using min iso ?
[17:12] <crond> then it goes normal
[17:12] <xpheres> tomreyn all of that already done
[17:12] <tomreyn> gopal: still you should stop coming here asking for help with your hardware if you were told to do so.
[17:12] <ecormier> gopal: this is ubuntu help, your hardware discharging when it's not running linux has nothing to do with ubuntu
[17:12] <ducasse> gopal: see the server guide, it has documentation on the installer
[17:12] <ducasse> !server | gopal
[17:12] <WorkAllDay> BloqueNegro, nope -- can't reach via SSH, can't ping it, it's dead to the outside world
[17:13] <WorkAllDay> (when this happens, right now it's working great, lol)
[17:13] <gopal> ecormier: it only discharge when i install ubuntu
[17:13] <WorkAllDay> but --- it doesn't shut down, I saw when I had the KVM, the services were still running, there were no gaps in the internal processes, etc
[17:14] <tomreyn> xpheres: well, if you wont post the outputs then you won get help with debugging it. works for me.
[17:14] <ecormier> when the computer is off, it's not running ubuntu.... unless it's not shutting down and just suspending I have no idea how we could possibly help
[17:14] <xpheres> tomreyn when I do "apt-get install guvcview" I receive: it relys on libguvcview-20.02 but will not be installed because a problem can not be corrected, you have retained defect packets
[17:14] <gopal> ecormier: plz see this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646 , it is ubuntu bug
[17:14] <BloqueNegro> WorkAllDay: like i said, maybe try to find where it crashes
[17:14] <BernardoPiedade> Disk Boot Failure -> What are all the checks we need to do to find out what is the problem
[17:14] <BloqueNegro> especially the networking unit with systemd
[17:14] <BloqueNegro> maybe you loose routes... idk
[17:15] <xpheres> when I do apt-cache policy libguvcview-2.0-2 I receive libguvcview-2.0-2:
[17:15] <xpheres>   Installiert:           (keine)
[17:15] <xpheres>   Installationskandidat: 2.0.4+debian-1build1
[17:15] <xpheres>   Versionstabelle:
[17:15] <xpheres>      2.0.4+debian-1build1 500
[17:15] <xpheres>         500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful/universe amd64 Packages
[17:15] <leftyfb> gopal: please stop posting about your bug. You've been told many times. The issue is with the upstream kernel and a bug has been filed. Now you wait
[17:15] <tomreyn> !paste | xpheres
[17:15] <WorkAllDay> I will try in a KVM next time it happens, I'll come back here :)
[17:15] <BloqueNegro> alright :)
[17:15] <WorkAllDay> I'm not sure there's a whole lot I can do now that it's working
[17:15] <tomreyn> !de | xpheres
[17:15] <WorkAllDay> cheers for your time BloqueNegro , I appreciate it
[17:15] <BernardoPiedade> Disk Boot Failure -> What are all the checks we need to do to find out what is the problem
[17:15] <BloqueNegro> feel free to query me, i may not be here
[17:16] <ecormier> as lefty said, it's not an ubuntu bug but a kernel bug.... this is not the place to ask
[17:16] <xpheres> tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547144/
[17:16] <WorkAllDay> will do ... hopefully it won't be for another few weeks but time will tell
[17:16] <WorkAllDay> could be tonight for all I know, lol
[17:17] <tomreyn> xpheres: that's the output of one of three commands i suggested to provide.
[17:18] <ecormier> gopal: shut it down and start testing busses with a multimeter
[17:19] <ecormier> bad joke, sorry folks
[17:19] <bundito> Say, how stable is 18.04 these days?
[17:19] <gopal> ecormier: how , plz guide me
[17:19] <leftyfb> !bionic | bundito
[17:19] <ecormier> gopal: nope
[17:19] <leftyfb> gopal: he was just joking. Please no further discussion on your bug
[17:21] <gopal> if i choose min iso , what amount of data the installer will download?
[17:21] <leftyfb> gopal: whatever is necessary to install the packages are installing.
[17:21] <xpheres> tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547162/
[17:21] <leftyfb> gopal: why are you installing 14.04 as opposed to 16.04?
[17:22] <ducasse> gopal: are you installing on an uefi system?
[17:22] <gopal> ducasse: no
[17:22] <gopal> leftyfb: someone said the bug came with kernel 4
[17:23] <gopal> leftyfb: and when i boot 4.8 , my system become ultra laggy , one cpu gets very high uses
[17:24] <gopal> ducasse: why?
[17:25] <ducasse> gopal: the mini.iso doesn't support uefi
[17:25] <Ty124> I am back. But not because it worked. In custom install, I need to select a hard drive to install windows to, but it will not allow me to select it because it is formatted to something not NTFS. And I cannot format it from that page the button didn't work.
[17:25] <gopal> ducasse: can you plz tell me how much data installer will download ? if i want full ubuntu 14.04lts ?
[17:26] <Ty124> Oops sorry guys wrong IRC
[17:26] <akik> Ty124: you can boot the ubuntu live session and then initialize your partitions from there
[17:26] <ecormier> akik: they're not installing ubuntu
[17:26] <akik> ecormier: yes i get it
[17:26] <ecormier> :)
[17:27] <akik> ecormier: i can read
[17:27] <leftyfb> The windows installer should be able to do the same thing
[17:27] <ecormier> ^^ right
[17:27] <csst0111> hi, I want to install ubuntu on my laptop. I created a bootable usb disk with 16.04 iso image. I booted from usb and after I select language and no wifi it tells me that ubuntu needs at least 8,6G space and you only got 4G ( 4G is the usb disk ). Any ideas what is going wrong and what I should do ?
[17:28] <Jordan_U> csst0111: Please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l".
[17:30] <tomreyn> xpheres: thanks. i'm lucky to speak german so i can understand it (but you might want to use "export LANG=C" before you post output on this channel in the future.
[17:30] <xpheres> ah ok tomreyn thanks
[17:30] <csst0111> Jordan_U, can't paste to pastebin cause I'm in my desktop right now but it only shows one entry (the usb disk)
[17:30] <tomreyn> xpheres: it also seems like you modified some of the output. more importantly, though, i don't see any error messages. can you post the command and full output which triggers / includes the error message?
[17:31] <ducasse> csst0111: is the sata controller set to ahci mode in the bios settings?
[17:31] <Jordan_U> csst0111: What kind of disk do you have?
[17:32] <csst0111> Jordan_U, ssd disk
[17:32] <ole_> Where can i find something for and ols start NL 10
[17:32] <ole_> old
[17:33] <ole_> star  exuse
[17:33] <leftyfb> ole_: NL 10? "star exuse"?
[17:33] <xpheres> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547201/
[17:33] <ole_> yes false written
[17:33] <tomreyn> ole_: please rephrase your question.
[17:34] <leftyfb> ole_: what is "NL 10"?
[17:34] <Jordan_U> csst0111: What kind of connection? SATA, nvme, etc?
[17:34] <ole_> Ok i have and old star nl 10 and will use it for my ubuntu
[17:35] <leftyfb> ole_: what is an "old star nl 10"?
[17:35] <ole_> i can't find a driver more
[17:35] <leftyfb> woah, is that a dot matrix printer?
[17:36] <ole_> star nl 10 is a printer
[17:36] <ole_> yes and i have many 100 meter paper for it
[17:37] <csst0111> Jordan_U, don't know. How can I check it ?
[17:37] <ole_> leftyfb In my ubunt 114.03 it was there
[17:38] <ole_> 14.03 exuse
[17:38] <tomreyn> xpheres: hmm, i'm not sure why it doesn't want to install it. maybe "sudo apt-cache policy" or "sudo apt install guvcview libguvcview-2.0-2" would help us understand.
[17:39] <tomreyn> ole_: there is and was no such ubuntu version. to check your ubuntu release version, run: lsb_release -ds
[17:39] <Jordan_U> csst0111: If it's a desktop and you feel comfortable opening it you can look physically. Basically, Ubuntu isn't detecting the drive at all so we need to figure out why that is. I think it's likely that you have a hardware problem. Is another OS able to access the drive?
[17:39] <ole_> tomreyn ok what about cobs ?
[17:39] <ole_> ore cubs
[17:39] <xpheres> tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547210/
[17:39] <ole_> ore is it cups ?
[17:40] <csst0111> Jordan_U, it's a new laptop (lenovo legion  Y520-15IKBN) with windows 10 pre-installed
[17:40] <ole_> tomreyn ok i try
[17:40] <csst0111> I don't have any problems booting from windows
[17:41] <akik> csst0111: it could be because of the sata mode in uefi, if it's set to "raid"
[17:41] <Jordan_U> csst0111: And Windows boots fine right now?
[17:41] <tomreyn> ole_: i don't mean to push you away, but this might be easier for you so i'll bring it up: have you tried asking for support in your native language ubuntu support channel, yet?
[17:41] <csst0111> yes, windows boots fine
[17:41] <csst0111> akik, can I change it somehow ?
[17:42] <ole_> tomreyn all ok
[17:42] <akik> csst0111: go into your uefi and see if you can. be careful though as windows probably expects it to be the setting it now has
[17:42] <ioria> xpheres, can you paste   'dpkg -l | grep  guvc'    (maybe it's about a  ppa)
[17:42] <Jordan_U> csst0111: Why can't you connect this machine to the internet to be able to pastebin? It would help to be able to see the outptu of "lspci" and "dmesg" but they're both quite long.
[17:42] <ole_> my danish channel is verryyyyyyyyyy slow  hi hi
[17:43] <csst0111> let me check if I can connect
[17:43] <xpheres> loria dpkg -l | grep  guvc shows nothing
[17:44] <Jordan_U> csst0111: To be more to the point, if your laptop is one that does wierd things with a RAID mode with only one drive, setting it to SATA may make all of its current contents unreadable and thus Windows no longer bootable. So be careful with that.
[17:44] <ioria> xpheres,  apt-cache policy guvcview
[17:45] <Jordan_U> csst0111: What model laptop is this?
[17:45] <xpheres> ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547219/
[17:45] <gopal> i'm unable to download ubuntu min iso from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso , can you plz provide me torrent ?
[17:46] <akik> gopal: what error do you get?
[17:47] <ioria> xpheres,  dpkg -l  guvcview
[17:47] <gopal> akik: 0 download speed stuck at 773 bytes
[17:47] <tomreyn> xpheres: hmm okay i'm pretty puzzled there, too. it should be able to find the packages. are the pending updated packages related? "sudo apt list --upgradable"
[17:47] <akik> gopal: just wait then :)
[17:47] <gopal> akik: waiting from 20 minutes
[17:47] <akik> gopal: ok
[17:48] <gopal> akik: can you plz provide torrent ?
[17:48] <akik> gopal: although i'm not sure if there's a torrent for that
[17:48] <gopal> it is just 37mb
[17:48] <akik> gopal: are all your i-net connections slow?
[17:48] <gopal> akik: ?
[17:48] <xpheres> tomreyn I think they are not related, sudo apt list --upgradable" shows just two apps "asymtote" and "inkscape"
[17:49] <gopal> akik: tried with my broadband as well as with mobile
[17:49] <xpheres> asymptote
[17:50] <tomreyn> gopal: download from a mirror server that is physically close to you and that provides packages for trusty: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[17:50] <ioria> xpheres,  sudo apt full-upgrade   what returns ?
[17:51] <tomreyn> xpheres:  okay i'm out of ideas i'm afraid, maybe ioria can help.
[17:51] <xpheres> ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547229/
[17:51] <gopal> tomreyn: min iso not available
[17:51] <xpheres> thank you tomreyn
[17:51] <csst0111> Jordan_U, when you say "what model laptop"  what do you mean ?
[17:52] <tomreyn> gopal: this statement lacks context, thus provides no useful information to me.
[17:52] <ioria> xpheres,  sudo apt install libguvcview-2.0-2
[17:52] <akik> gopal: i uploaded it here for you: https://transfer.sh/A53vJ/mini.iso
[17:52] <xpheres> ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547232/
[17:53] <gopal> tomreyn: 64-bit PC (amd64, x86_64)  Ubuntu 14.04 LTS "Trusty Tahr" 37MB  this one
[17:53] <csst0111> Jordan_U, its a lenovo legion y520-15ikbn (I have written that before) in case this is what you are asking
[17:53] <gopal> can you plz provide me torrent ?
[17:54] <tomreyn> gopal: which nearby mirror server did you try to download from?
[17:54] <gopal> tomreyn: india and indo
[17:54] <gopal> tomreyn: china
[17:55] <tomreyn> gopal: what happened when you did?
[17:55] <gopal> tomreyn: can't find the image
[17:55] <tomreyn> gopal: which mirror in india? there are 6
[17:56] <Devrim> Any reason why 'linux-image-generic' is being kept back on apt-get upgrade? Running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[17:57] <gopal> tomreyn: PicoNets Digital Dreams Consulting Pvt Ltd and iit
[17:57] <tomreyn> gopal: IIT kanpur or IIT madras?
[17:57] <ioria> xpheres,  sudo apt install libgsl23
[17:57] <gopal> tomreyn: both
[17:58] <xpheres> ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547246/
[17:59] <tomreyn> gopal: this is found foe me, same url as on the other server: http://mirror.cse.iitk.ac.in/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[18:00] <tomreyn> *for
[18:00] <gopal> tomreyn: thx
[18:01] <ioria> xpheres,  no idea ; can you upgrade asymptote inkscape  packages ?
[18:01] <tomreyn> gopal: the correct file size is 27036148 bytes, verify it has this size once the download completes
[18:01] <xpheres> ok...
[18:02] <Jordan_U> csst0111: According to this thread: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2359208 your laptop has two drives, an ssd and an hdd. They are RAIDed together in some way to get better performance than just the hdd alone would give, while still having the large capacity of an hdd. This is proprietary RAID and seems not to be supported in linux.
[18:03] <xpheres> ioria I can't: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547257/
[18:06] <csst0111> Jordan_U, seems you are right... What are my options now? The last answer on the thread seems to provide some kind of solution
[18:07] <ioria> xpheres,  symptote inkscape   are from ppa of from the official repos ?  apt-cache policy inkscape
[18:08] <xpheres> ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547271/
[18:08] <Jordan_U> csst0111: Basically, unless support has been added more recently for this proprietary raid, you have to unraid the two drives. That will probably involve needing to back up all existing data and re-installing Windows before installing Ubuntu (unless you don't want Windows anymore).
[18:08] <akik> Jordan_U: interesting setup to create raid on hdd+ssd(?)
[18:09] <csst0111> Jordan_U, I dont want windows, how I unraid the two drives ? is there a guide somewhere I can follow ?
[18:10] <ioria> xpheres,  inkscape  has a wrong version
[18:11] <Jordan_U> csst0111: It's likely a setting in your boot firmware menus ("BIOS"), and there is probably a guide somewhere. I need to leave so I can't look or help further at the moment.
[18:12] <xpheres> ok ioria
[18:12] <xpheres> I'm going to reinstall it
[18:12] <csst0111> Jordan_U, ok thanks a lot for your help!! I'll google and try it!
[18:12] <lordcirth_work> Is there a standard/googleable name for .d directories?
[18:13] <ioria> xpheres,   0.92.1-1   was in ubuntu zesty PROPOSED
[18:13] <xpheres> ok
[18:13] <xpheres> ioria how can I uninstall it? I can't
[18:13] <xpheres> ah now
[18:14] <xpheres> wait
[18:14] <tomreyn> lordcirth_work: not that i know of, but try a combinatrion of: configuration include directory
[18:15] <lordcirth_work> There ought to be.  "Does mongodb read a .d dir if I make it" isn't a searchable question
[18:20] <xpheres> ioria I uninstalled inkscape and problem persist
[18:20] <ioria> xpheres,   what about the other one  ? apt-cache policy symptote
[18:21] <ioria> !info symptote
[18:21] <xpheres> ioria N: Unable to locate package symptote
[18:23] <xpheres> ioria I see in the app browser of ubuntu there are 2 inkscapes
[18:23] <xpheres> but both are uninstalled
[18:23] <ioria> xpheres,   apt full-upgrade  again
[18:24] <xpheres> ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547307/
[18:24] <ioria> xpheres,   The following packages have been kept back:  asymptote   ;  dpkg -l | grep asymptote
[18:25] <xpheres> ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547310/
[18:25] <ioria> xpheres,   apt-cahe policy asymptote
[18:26] <ioria> xpheres,   apt-cache policy asymptote
[18:26] <xpheres> ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547313/
[18:27] <ioria> xpheres,   purge it
[18:27] <Badegakk> Hi
[18:27] <xpheres> done ioria
[18:28] <ioria> xpheres,   apt full-upgrade
[18:29] <Badegakk> I have problem with my bluetooth, done som google search i found out that i need: qca/rampatch_usb_00000200.bin qca/nvm_usb_00000200.bin The thing is i have no idea how to install it
[18:29] <xpheres> ioria
[18:29] <xpheres> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547319/
[18:29] <ioria> xpheres,   ok .... and ?
[18:29] <xpheres> ok full-upgrade shows now 0 not upgraded
[18:29] <xpheres> let me see if I can install now
[18:30] <xpheres> nothing ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547325/
[18:30] <Badegakk> the files i have found at this url; https://github.com/wkennington/linux-firmware/tree/master/qca i cant find anyware how to install it on my ubuntu
[18:31] <ioria> xpheres,   sudo apt install libguvcview-2.0-2
[18:31] <xpheres> the same ioria
[18:31] <xpheres> may I reboot?
[18:32] <xpheres> maybe rebooting?
[18:33] <ioria> xpheres,   ok
[18:33] <xpheres> ok
[18:33] <xpheres> I hope it solves
[18:33] <Badegakk> They are also located at /lib/firmware/qca
[18:36] <xpheres> ioria same
[18:36] <xpheres> sorry I think there is no soluion
[18:36] <ioria> xpheres,   sudo apt-get -f install
[18:38] <xpheres> ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547341/
[18:40] <ioria> xpheres,   sudo apt update && apt-cache policy guvcview    (last try)
[18:41] <xpheres> ioria v
[18:41] <xpheres> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547346/
[18:42] <Badegakk> will the kernel usaly automaticly load the firmware bins it needs?
[18:43] <crond> Badegakk, depends.  You may need to specifically install the package for intel firmware for CPU microcode updates
[18:44] <crond> (which is, conveniently, named intel-microcode)
[18:45] <Badegakk> crond, i need to load nvm_usb_00000200.bin and rampatch_usb_00000200.bin
[18:45] <Badegakk> crond, but i cant find any nice tutorials or howto how this works
[18:45] <ioria> xpheres,   i think it's a ppa issue
[18:45] <xpheres> ok
[18:45] <xpheres> then there should be a ppa that is not working and needs to be deleted
[18:46] <Badegakk> crond, i have the latest linux-firmware install and the files are located on my computer
[18:46] <ioria> xpheres,  mythbuntu (really not sure)
[18:47] <xpheres> that was exactly what I was deleting, you've read my mind
[18:47] <ioria> xpheres,  ppa-purge is a good tool
[18:48] <ioria> !info ppa-purge | xpheres
[18:48] <akik> Badegakk: the firmware files are loaded by the corresponding kernel module from /lib/firmware/module
[18:50] <xpheres> nothing
[18:51] <xpheres> I deleted myth and teamviewer repository
[18:51] <ioria> xpheres,  you need ppa-purge  them
[18:51] <ioria> xpheres,  deleting the repos it's not enough
[18:52] <xpheres> sudo ppa-purge mythbuntu says coult not find package list for ppa
[18:53] <raidghost> Where can i set nameservers for my server, without that resolv.conf been wiped after every reboot?
[18:54] <raidghost> tempting to set username:username so the system cant touch the file
[18:54] <Badegakk> akik, so i need to find out correct module for my bluetooth then it will call for the firmware files?
[18:55] <akik> Badegakk: sometimes you'll see in dmesg which file the kernel module is looking for
[18:55] <Badegakk> akik, Sorry for the stupid question, i am bit lost, hehe
[18:55] <akik> Badegakk: take a look into "modinfo module_name"
[18:55] <ioria> xpheres,  ppa:mythbuntu/0.28
[18:55] <akik> Badegakk: you'll see firmware: lines
[18:56] <xpheres> sudo ppa-purge ppa:mythbuntu/0.28: Could not find package list for PPA: mythbuntu 0.28
[18:56] <bonifacio> Hello everybody. I'm having a bit of a problem and hope you can help me. I removed my secondary monitor and now I can't boot normally, It freezes after GRUB, while doing some fsck; but if I choose "recovery mode" from GRUB, and then hit "resume" option, it boots ok. Also, if I plug the monitor again, it boots without problem. Any idea on how to fix this?
[18:56] <Badegakk> akik, thx :)
[18:57] <Jordan_U> raidghost: Are you using network-manager, ifupdown, or systemd-networkd to configure your networking
[18:57] <Jordan_U> ?
[18:57] <vendy> hello
[18:59] <gracious1> Hey, is anybody here good with shell scripting ?
[18:59] <leftyfb> gracious1: that's no your question
[18:59] <leftyfb> not*
[19:00] <gracious1> I have a very specific issue. I downloaded a bunch of credit card statements. Each one ends with the last four digits of my credit card number plus .pdf
[19:00] <raidghost> Jordan_U: Non Gnome / Kde on the thingy
[19:00] <leftyfb> ioria: is there a !trigger that's appropriate for these types of questions?
[19:00] <crond> Hmm my system isn't booting when I enable secure boot...
[19:01] <leftyfb> crond: don't enable secure boot :)
[19:01] <leftyfb> crond: spoiler, it isn't more secure
[19:01] <gracious1> What I want to do is is change those numbers from "1234" (not the real numbers) to "CapitalOne" in the file name.
[19:01] <gracious1> Does that make sense?
[19:01] <crond> leftyfb, I dunno, I'd need some evidence for that claim, I mean, it IS called 'secure' boot.
[19:01] <crond> lol
[19:01] <leftyfb> gracious1: yup, there's a command line util called "rename"
[19:02] <gracious1> I mean I want to write a script that does it in a batch because it is  A LOT of statements.
[19:02] <leftyfb> crond: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/233400-microsoft-leaks-secure-boot-credentials-demonstrates-why-backdoor-golden-keys-cant-work
[19:02] <leftyfb> crond: https://www.ghacks.net/2016/08/10/secure-boot-bypass-revealed/
[19:02] <leftyfb> gracious1: ok, for loop and rename
[19:02] <gracious1> Oh I just looked that up, that is a bulk utility
[19:04] <gracious1> Hey, I just came here looking for help, but obviously I have violated some rule
[19:05] <leftyfb> :/
[19:06] <xpheres> ok I posted my question here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1004651/i-can-not-install-guvcview
[19:06] <xpheres> I guess it's going to take time to find the solution
[19:08] <tomreyn> xpheres: with this formatting, i doubt you'll get much responses. try to use some code blocks there
[19:08] <EriC^^> xpheres: did you try sudo apt-get -f install ?
[19:08] <tomreyn> he did sudo apt -f install
[19:09] <tomreyn> no action was taken, no error was reported
[19:09] <tomreyn> it was a while ago, though: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547201/
[19:10] <EriC^^> tomreyn: thanks
[19:10] <tomreyn> xpheres: here's one more thing you can try: the 'foreign_packages' script https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/README.md
[19:10] <EriC^^> !info libguvcview-2.0-2 artful
[19:11] <tomreyn> xpheres: you may have old packages from a ppa installed which you never removed properly
[19:11] <EriC^^> xpheres: try LANG=C sudo apt-get install libguvcview-2.0-2
[19:12] <tomreyn> xpheres: or just give it another go with EriC, i know i would.
[19:12] <EriC^^> :)
[19:13] <tomreyn> (the same goes for ior1a, of course)
[19:16] <raidghost> Jordan_U: I thought that adding info in interfaces file was enought
[19:16] <raidghost> But i will try the systemd-networkd
[19:16] <xpheres> eric https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547448/
[19:17] <xpheres> EriC^^
[19:18] <tomreyn> xpheres: also if you could show these: apt-mark showhold; dpkg -l | grep -v ^i
[19:18] <xpheres> tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547455/
[19:20] <EriC^^> xpheres: also LANG=C sudo apt-get install libgsl23
[19:20] <tomreyn> okay, that's nothing exciting, just packages you removed but didnt purge, you might want to do so some time using 'apt purge PACKAGENAME'
[19:21] <tomreyn> + sudo
[19:22] <jk^> when i download a software in an archive tar.gz after how to install it?
[19:22] <xpheres> Eric
[19:22] <EriC^^> jk^: which software? it might already be in the repos or a reputable ppa
[19:22] <xpheres> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547464/
[19:22] <tomreyn> jk^: this is often source code which needs to be compiled before it will run.
[19:23] <tomreyn> jk^: better get pre-built packages as EriC suggested
[19:23] <EriC^^> !info libgslcblas0 artful
[19:23] <jk^> youtube-dl-gui-0.4.tar.gz tomreyn EriC^^
[19:23] <EriC^^> xpheres: try LANG=C sudo apt-get install libgslcblas0
[19:24] <EriC^^> !info youtube-dl-gui
[19:24] <tomreyn> jk^: if you really want a GUI for youtube-dl, you could give the "ytd-gtk" package a try.
[19:25] <jk^> tomreyn, i googled and i found it :|
[19:25] <EriC^^> !info ytd-gtk
[19:25] <tomreyn> oh i have that from a ppa, sorry
[19:25] <tomreyn> getdeb.net
[19:25] <EriC^^> jk^: http://tipsonubuntu.com/2017/05/22/install-youtube-dl-gui-ubuntu-16-04/
[19:25] <xpheres> ERIC ALELUYA!!!
[19:26] <xpheres> it works now!
[19:26] <EriC^^> xpheres: great :D
[19:26] <xpheres> haha
[19:26] <apb1963> wpa_supplicant... the service that absolutely, positively will not die.  Or perhaps someone knows the proper incantation to disable it?  Other than purging it of course.  It seems to be coming from here: /etc/network/if-up.d/wpasupplicant  (this time).  Permanent solution?
[19:26] <xpheres> yuhuuu
[19:26] <xpheres> thanks
[19:26] <EriC^^> no problem
[19:26] <jk^> but generally, if i download a file tar.gx then an archive file, how to install the software by it?
[19:26] <xpheres> I was going to beat the computer
[19:26] <tomreyn> jk^: there is no general answer, it depends on the software / on what you downloaded exactly.
[19:26] <EriC^^> jk^: you untar it with tar xvf bla.tar.gz then read the README for installation instructions
[19:27] <akik> apb1963: there's a systemd service for it
[19:27] <akik> apb1963: wpa_supplicant.service
[19:27] <jk^> k
[19:27] <jk^> ok
[19:27] <apb1963> akik, ● wpa_supplicant.service
[19:27] <apb1963>    Loaded: masked (/dev/null; bad)
[19:27] <apb1963>    Active: inactive (dead)
[19:28] <apb1963> root      4338  1995  0 Feb08 ?        00:00:08 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -s -B -P /run/wpa_supplicant.wlp2s0.pid -i wlp2s0 -D nl80211,wext -C /run/wpa_supplicant
[19:28] <apb1963> doesn't look so dead to me
[19:28] <akik> apb1963: then there's also /etc/dbus-1/system.d/wpa_supplicant.conf but i'm not sure if you need to disable that too
[19:29] <akik> apb1963: you know that process is needed for wlan auth?
[19:29] <jk^> 1. Download & extract the source
[19:29] <jk^> 2. Change directory into *youtube-dl-gui-0.4*
[19:29] <jk^> 3. Run `python setup.py install`
[19:29] <jk^> where have i to run?
[19:30] <jk^> file manager and lxterminal ar separated windows :\
[19:30] <apb1963> akik, ok, that's a file I haven't seen before
[19:30] <tomreyn> xpheres: congrats. i still suggest clearing those old packages whos configurations you have left. and maybe to run the foreign_packages script.
[19:30] <jk^> user@user-PT601ET-ABZ:~$ python setup.py install
[19:30] <jk^> python: can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
[19:30] <xpheres> tomreyn how?
[19:30] <apb1963> akik, and after looking at it, I still don't know whether it's the issue or not and what to do about it.
[19:31] <xpheres> tomreyn I tried the foreig_package script
[19:31] <tomreyn> xpheres: i explained both of it before
[19:31] <tomreyn> xpheres: whathapped when you did?
[19:31] <akik> apb1963: you're not using wlan?
[19:31] <apb1963> akik, I'm not sure what you mean
[19:31] <akik> apb1963: wireless lan
[19:31] <apb1963> yes
[19:32] <apb1963> I have hostapd running for wireless
[19:32] <apb1963> or will.. once this issue is resolved.
[19:32] <tomreyn> xpheres: sorry, i'll have to leave in a minute or two, will be back in ~ an hour.
[19:32] <apb1963> akik, ^^
[19:32] <xpheres> ok thanks tomreyn
[19:32] <jk^> :(
[19:33] <jk^> i can't install this software :|
[19:33] <xpheres> tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/26547493/
[19:33] <jk^> youtube-dl-gui-0.4.tar.gz
[19:33] <jk^> i read the file readme
[19:33] <adalbert> jk^: 1. Download the software to a directory e.g. /home/user/Downloads/software.tar.gz
[19:34] <jk^> ### Install From Source
[19:34] <jk^> 1. Download & extract the source
[19:34] <adalbert> jk^: 2. cd /home/user/Downloads
[19:34] <jk^> 2. Change directory into *youtube-dl-gui-0.4*
[19:34] <jk^> 3. Run `python setup.py install`
[19:34] <EriC^^> jk^: there's a ppa for it here http://tipsonubuntu.com/2017/05/22/install-youtube-dl-gui-ubuntu-16-04/
[19:34] <adalbert> jk^: 3. $tar zxpf software.tar.gz
[19:35] <jk^> i clicked PPA Ubuntu in the main page and it redirect me here http://ppa.launchpad.net/nilarimogard/webupd8/ubuntu/pool/main/y/youtube-dlg/
[19:35] <jk^> but i don't know which choose
[19:35] <jk^> which of them to download
[19:36] <EriC^^> jk^: follow the instructions on the main page
[19:36] <akik> apb1963: try disabling that wpa_supplicant.service and also move that /etc/dbus-1/system.d/wpa_supplicant.conf file temporarily out from there
[19:37] <jk^> EriC^^, https://github.com/MrS0m30n3/youtube-dl-gui this is the main page
[19:37] <jk^> no istructions to follow
[19:37] <EriC^^> jk^: i mean here http://tipsonubuntu.com/2017/05/22/install-youtube-dl-gui-ubuntu-16-04/
[19:37] <jk^> ok
[19:38] <akik> apb1963: try a reboot after that
[19:39] <apb1963> akik, ok, it was already disabled and I've moved the file to .org
[19:39] <apb1963> akik, I dislike rebooting as I have a ton of things in progress.  Wouldn't reloading systemd be sufficient?
[19:40] <apb1963> akik, besides... it didn't start on reboot
[19:40] <apb1963> akik, I'm reasonably sure I did an ifup at some point yesterday... and I think that may be what started it.
[19:42] <Devrim> Any reason why 'linux-image-generic' is being kept back on apt-get upgrade? Running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[19:43] <apb1963> Devrim, run apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:43] <EriC^^> Devrim: it does that by default, apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades everything
[19:44] <apb1963> Devrim, if i recall correctly, it wants to install new packages so you need dist-upgrade for that.
[19:52] <Bulik> hey
[19:53] <EriC^^> hey
[19:53] <Outy> hi @ll
[19:54] <Bulik> for a Linux first timer, what else could I use besides Ubuntu?
[19:54] <akik> apb1963: and it stays off? wpa_supplicant
[19:55] <apb1963> akik, I killed wpa_supplicant and ran ifup.  supplicant came back.  About to reload systemd config.
[19:56] <EriC^^> Bulik: https://itsfoss.com/best-linux-beginners/
[19:57] <apb1963> on the other hand... maybe I should just be using the "manual" keyword instead of allow-hotplug ?
[19:57] <CoderEurope> Hiya - I cloned this github, but dunno how to install ? cheers. https://github.com/martinrotter/rssguard
[19:58] <apb1963> akik, I mean instead of "static"
[19:58] <apb1963> akik, I'll try
[19:59] <akik> apb1963: try reloading dbus service too because that conf file is for dbus
[20:01] <apb1963> akik, ok.
[20:03] <apb1963> apb1963, I think dbus.service gets reloaded when I did daemon-reload, but I did it anyway...  ifup still brings up supplicant
[20:06] <timeless> Can I safely take a system from `xenial (lts)` to `artful (not lts)` and then to `bionic (lts)`?
[20:06] <dax> timeless: yes
[20:06] <dax> well, as safely as any upgrade goes. have backups. but it's not any worse than lts to lts is
[20:07] <timeless> is it as simple as editing /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades twice? once now to tell it that I want `normal` and then again after it has moved to `bionic`?
[20:07] <timeless> (to tell it i want lts)
[20:07] <kenrin> Does that update the apt sources list ?
[20:08] <Outy> Question: USB Floppy Drive (/dev/sdc) controlled by udev with following rule: SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{bInterfaceClass}=="08", ATTRS{bInterfaceSubClass}=="04", ENV{ID_DRIVE_FLOPPY}="1", OWNER="users", MODE="0666"  floppy disk is ext2 formatted. i can mount it fine no problem. but I can not get write permissions to work for a normal user like me. permission still shows me: root=re grouproot=r other=r
[20:08] <kenrin> Ok it does it after the do-release-upgrade timeless
[20:09] <dax> timeless: yes
[20:09] <dax> kenrin: yeah, do-release-upgrade handles the sources.list stuff, it just needs to be told he doesn't want to be on LTS for now
[20:09] <dax> (which is what the file he mentioned does)
[20:12] <akik> apb1963: well there's still the ugly chmod 000 trick if all else fails
[20:15]  * timeless frowns https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/xRJhMkEp/
[20:15] <apb1963> akik, yes, there is that.  But I see two options at this point.  Either purge wpa_supplicant or never run ifup.  I don't like any of the 3 options really.  Yours is ugly, purging wpa_supplicant may or may not be excessive, and hoping I don't forget not to run ifup is... fragile.
[20:16]  * timeless has no idea what just happened
[20:16] <crond> So, I have obiaf installed on 17.10, but glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version" gives me 3.0 for my OpenGL version? I thought it was supposed to be 4.5
[20:16] <crond> how do I fix this?
[20:17] <apb1963> akik, It's my contention that if there's no way to turn the silly thing off - either I don't need it and purging is relatively proper - or it needs an enhancement - an off switch.
[20:18] <akik> apb1963: yes i don't really know how it gets started, if those two places didn't manage to do it
[20:19] <apb1963> akik, well I think it's happening in /etc/network/if-up.d/wpasupplicant whenever I call ifup.
[20:19] <tomreyn> crond: which hardware? btw. it's oibaf, which is a ppa, and ppa's anren't officially supported (but we can see where we can get with it).
[20:19] <Outy> crond: open additional drivers and install original driver for your gpu
[20:20] <akik> apb1963: ah of course. seems logical
[20:20] <crond> Outy, there aren't, it's an HD 4600 :P
[20:20] <apb1963> akik, I guess I could uninstall ifupdown package.. not sure which is better or worse.
[20:20] <crond> no proprietary drivers.
[20:20] <crond> I just don't see why 17.10 would have Mesa 3.0
[20:20] <akik> apb1963: you'll probably get stopped by the dependencies
[20:20] <timeless> dax: it isn't working :-(
[20:20] <crond> that's super old
[20:20] <Outy> crond: then youre lost :-D
[20:20] <apb1963> akik, i'll take a look.
[20:20] <tomreyn> crond: are you mixing up mesa and opengl versions?
[20:21] <crond> Outy, Intel graphics never have anything in 'additional drivers'
[20:21] <crond> tomreyn, one sec, let me confirm
[20:21] <timeless> Oh
[20:21] <timeless> I bet it's having issues w/ the fact that I have a preferences file saying that I don't like artful
[20:21] <apb1963> akik, Oh yes... it will remove the desktop.
[20:21] <timeless> Maybe it should disable those :o
[20:21] <Outy> crond: i know =) im sitting on core i5 1st gen with i915 graphics
[20:22] <crond> tomreyn,  glxinfo | grep "OpenGL" does show OpenGL core profile version string: 4.5 (Core Profile) Mesa 18.1.0-devel
[20:22] <crond> so I may have just been over-specific with my grepping
[20:23] <tomreyn> crond: so i guess all is as good as it'll get?
[20:23] <apb1963> akik, well, there is no wpa_supplicant package, so I don't know where it lives... however, there is wpagui a GUI for supplicant.
[20:24] <crond> tomreyn, I'm guessing so, I thought this game was crashing due to low OpenGL version, but it must be something else.
[20:24] <crond> ty tho
[20:24] <akik> apb1963: wpasupplicant: /etc/wpa_supplicant/ifupdown.sh
[20:24] <tomreyn> crond: welcome. which message was it crashing with?
[20:25] <akik> apb1963: the symlink was in /etc/network/if-up.d
[20:25] <crond> tomreyn, Thread EoCApp (3086370816)received signal 11 (0) /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 : +0x13150 [0x7fef4d967150]
[20:25] <crond> (1) /home/primal/Games/Divinity Original Sin Enhanced Edition/game/libOGLBinding.so : api::OpenGLRenderer::ApplyConstants()+0x65 [0x7fef4e8e9845]
[20:25] <crond> oops
[20:25] <apb1963> akik, yeah, I saw it earlier.. I just don't know what to do about it.
[20:25] <apb1963> akik, yes, I could modify it... make it exit immediately... but, we're back to ugly.
[20:26] <apb1963> akik, There must be a "proper" way to keep wpa_supplicant from starting
[20:26] <apb1963> akik, I mean mask should be it.  End of story.
[20:27] <apb1963> akik, But clearly, it's not.  I'm starting to feel "bug".
[20:27] <tomreyn> crond: hmm, check their forums or search the web for this message, i guess. most games would at least exit gracefully if basic system (such as opengl) requirements aren't met, ths one just segfaults, i guess it's a different issue.
[20:28] <crond> yeah, I'll keep looking,guess it's not low opengl, which was what I'd found suggested as the culprit thus far
[20:28] <crond> thanks!
[20:29] <tomreyn> crond: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93551#c5
[20:30] <tomreyn> (*not* a freedesktop / mesa bug)
[20:33] <crond> tomreyn, ah I see the fix, I have to compile some shim and use it with the game,  tyvm
[20:35] <tomreyn> more of a workaround than a fix, but yes, should work then
[20:39] <hdt551> If I install a daily build of 18.04 can it be updated to 18.04 LTS when it's released?
[20:40] <brainwash> hdt551: yes
[20:41] <hdt551> brainwash: great, thank you.
[20:44] <akik> apb1963: there's two dbus files also in /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services
[20:44] <k0lw> im studying CEH and im stuck in this question : I am a linux distribution that has many tricks to do packet and traffic analysis. Who am I ?
[20:44] <Badegakk> akik, finaly made my bluetooth working :)
[20:44] <k0lw> also this : A group or network of machines that are controlled by an attacker to do a certain task
[20:45] <ggz> k0lw: kali linux and a bot net
[20:45] <Badegakk> akik, thx for pointers, somehow they got me one the right track
[20:46] <k0lw> ggz i tried its wrong ..
[20:46] <akik> Badegakk: good. i forgot already :)
[20:47] <ggz> well there lot of distro like this but kali is the most popular
[20:48] <k0lw> gzz , the question name Close Look  for the linux one , do you think this is helpful?
[20:50] <ggz> there also parrot security OS, backblox, blackarch and fedora security spin
[20:52] <apb1963> akik, thanks.  I don't think systemd related files are the problem.  The systemd thinks the service is dead as evidenced by the status I posted earlier.  It's simply ifup that is causing it through that script I mentioned earlier.
[20:53] <apb1963> akik, so, the real question at this point is how to disable that script... and I think I'm going to go with the fragile solution which is don't forget not to run ifup.  I think that will be ok, because once the system is properly configured, things should just work and there will be no need for ifup.
[20:53] <apb1963> I hope
[20:54] <ggz> k0lw: is the question name a hint for answers on others questions ?
[20:54] <Outy> Question: as a user, that created a new filesystem on a block device, is it normal that i first have to chown  user:user on the mountpoint of that given device to have r/w access
[20:54] <apb1963> Boy did they misname that thing.. should have been called wpa_dominant since it won't die.  lol
[20:55] <bxTest> $ssl
[20:55] <k0lw> ggz: yes
[20:55] <bxTest> hi everyone
[20:56] <akik> apb1963: remember that updates probably will try to change your things back to how they were. apt probably has some kind of trigger where you can run things
[20:58] <apb1963> akik, If apt-get upgrade overwrites my config files, then I did something wrong.  Is there something in particular you're thinking of?  I'm merely "not running" ifup and consequently wpa_supplicant.  It's already been disabled for reboot and that (when I tested it yesterday) worked.
[20:59] <akik> apb1963: if you change wpa_supplicant system files or move them
[21:00] <akik> apb1963: if change, apt gives you a menu on update what you want to do
[21:01] <ggz> k0lw: l'inconveniant des hard link c'est que tu peut pas faire un lien entre deux partitions differentes
[21:01] <apb1963> akik, hmm... I generally use apt-get for most things... I  use apt for search mostly.
[21:01] <ggz> k0lw: sorry wrong channel :p
[21:01] <apb1963> akik, and so, I don't see any menu... other than a list of files ready for upgrade.
[21:02] <akik> apb1963: for example, i've changed /etc/default/grub and on every grub update i get, there's a menu that gives me choices on what to do
[21:02] <apb1963> akik, hmm... yeah, I don't recall ever seeing such a menu.
[21:02] <apb1963> akik, I suppose I'll have to deal with it if/when it comes up
[21:03] <akik> apb1963: https://gns3.com/api/v2/assets/photo/5720cb4bbaa3926953ce1d7b/Capture.JPG
[21:04] <apb1963> akik, what command did you run to generate that window?
[21:04] <apb1963> apt-get ?
[21:04] <apb1963> apt?
[21:05] <akik> apb1963: apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:05] <apb1963> hmm
[21:06] <apb1963> well, I guess if wpa_supplicant and/or ifupdown gets upgraded.... I'll deal with it then... I don't see any other course of action... do you?
[21:07] <apb1963> actually... it shouldn't be an issue.. I'm not messing with their configs.
[21:07] <Outy> i always keep local config
[21:07] <Outy> especially on grub config
[21:08] <Outy> and tlp if used
[21:08] <apb1963> I've masked wpa_supplicant properly so there's no reason for it to be reset unless systemd is upgraded improperly.
[21:08] <apb1963> In which case, that would be a bug in systemd upgrade process so... I'm not going there.
[21:09] <apb1963> so, mask done... ifup not executed by hand... so unless something else unexpected pops up... hopefully that covers it.
[21:09] <timeless> Thanks dax, do-release-upgrade worked once i undid my silly /etc/apt/preferences.d/ block, and i've filed a ticket in launchpad for them to consider
[21:10] <akik> apb1963: i've never used these triggers but there's for example APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success
[21:10] <apb1963> akik, no idea what that's all about
[21:10] <akik> apb1963: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/255194
[21:13] <helo> can someone remind me of the name of the utility that allows you to share a CLI session with someone remotely? it makes an outbound connection to some service, and returns a URI they can ssh to
[21:14] <apb1963> akik, thanks.  I can't be positive, but I suspect those are user-written hooks.  Since I haven't written any, I have to presume that they're not relevant in my situation.  There is mention of this file: /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg  On my system it's nearly empty.
[21:15] <leftyfb> helo: never heard of it but sounds both very useful and dangerous
[21:17] <pm3> Hello
[21:17] <pm3> Hola
[21:17] <pm3> Bom dia
[21:17] <leftyfb> pm3: what can we help you with?
[21:18] <leftyfb> :/
[21:20] <helo> ahh, it is `tmate`
[21:20] <akik> apb1963: i'll test that right now :)
[21:20] <helo> leftyfb: yes, it is both :)
[21:21] <apb1963> akik, ok... what is it you're testing exactly?
[21:23] <akik> apb1963: how that post-invoke works and what kinds of things i can do with it
[21:24] <akik> apb1963: there's just one if clause in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/pkg-config-hook-config
[21:24] <apb1963> akik, oh ok.   cool.  I'm moving on, I consider this issue patched, if not entirely solved.  I have other issues to deal with... hostapd is giving me weird results for example.
[21:25] <akik> apb1963: it seems to run it. i added "; touch /tmp/test" there
[21:25] <akik> apb1963: of course i should find a way to trigger a command only on certain package update
[21:26] <crester48> Hello hello
[21:34] <akik> apb1963: you can add post-invoke lines to pkg-config-hook-config and they all run
[21:35] <apb1963> akik, cool.  Was there some command in particular you were thinking I should be running?
[21:36] <akik> apb1963: if you had used the chmod 000 trick
[21:36] <apb1963> akik, oic
[21:36] <apb1963> akik, that's a good idea
[21:37] <apb1963> unless of course dpkg overwrites those files when you upgrade it :)
[21:37] <akik> apb1963: catch 23
[21:38] <apb1963> :)  It needs a .local file
[21:39] <apb1963> anyway, hostapd has an "exited" status as a service, but runs fine in the foreground... need to focus on that
[21:40] <flomowo> i have a folder with the owner set to www-data user, and group set to www-data group. I’ve added my local user to the www-data group, but still have no permission to write files in the directory. any thoughts, anybody?
[21:41] <akik> apb1963: tested. you can just add your own files in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d
[21:41] <apb1963> nice
[21:42] <codepython7771> I have a lot of packages in dpkg that are listed as rc - can i safely remove them?
[21:43] <cerion> #aircrack-ng
[21:51] <Guest40782> hello there
[21:52] <kylen> hello
[21:52] <flomowo> helli
[21:52] <CalicoFlows> hello
[21:52] <flomowo> bye
[21:53] <CalicoFlows> Hey, I recently played with my audio stuff and now I am getting this error message after the laptop wakes up https://i.imgur.com/PA0BjkT.png
[21:53] <CalicoFlows> This is a program specific message in fact, but all programs have trouble playing audio
[21:55] <CalicoFlows> I'll be right back, rebooting cause I also have issues with the kde compositor...
[21:57] <CalicoFlows> re
[21:59] <Condor> Just rebooted my Ubuntu 16.04 server, turns out that even though I installed iptables-persistent and saved the iptables etc etc, during init it is very unreliable and loads only about half the file. Any idea what to do? This seems very undesirable behavior for an operating system that is advertised as very stable and server-grade.
[22:00] <Condor> To be clear, iptables-restore < /etc/iptables/rules.v4 works as intended. It's just that the automatic restoration of the iptables gives very inconsistent results.
[22:01] <Condor> Causing me to become unable to VPN into the server and get a proper SSH shell even (port 22 is only accessible within the VPN).
[22:06] <CalicoFlows> akik, so my current issue seems similar to the issue I had last night, cannot start / connect to Jack. Programs get hung up instead of playing audio. Now Amarok plays audio, but terminatorX just froze (that's after a reboot)
[22:08] <CalicoFlows> Oops, so it played a song, I paused it and now I can't resume it
[22:10] <akik> CalicoFlows: waking from standby? you'd have to figure out which process it is that is causing your problem
[22:11] <CalicoFlows> akik, um not only, I just rebooted and the problem persists, it happened before and it got fixed once I rebooted, but not this time
[22:13] <akik> CalicoFlows: maybe a pulseaudio reset? remove $HOME/.config/pulse/
[22:13] <akik> CalicoFlows: then a new login, it'll be re-created
[22:13] <CalicoFlows> akik, remove as in delete rm
[22:13] <akik> CalicoFlows: yes
[22:14] <CalicoFlows> akik, rm: cannot remove '/home/calico/.config/pulse/': Is a directory
[22:15] <akik> CalicoFlows: yes you'd need to use rm -r but be careful
[22:18] <ggz> bye
[22:20] <CalicoFlows> akik, it works now!! Thank you once again.  Regardin my volume panel not affecting Ardour, it in fact does not affect any program that I have made use Jack, do you think we cam fix that too
[22:23] <akik> CalicoFlows: why don't you adjust ardour volumes in ardour?
[22:23] <akik> CalicoFlows: i'm not sure what you mean with volume panel
[22:24] <akik> CalicoFlows: it could be that because you're using jack audio server, it has some other app to adjust it. i'm not sure
[22:25] <CalicoFlows> akik, I mean my volume shortcut on the panel and also my laptop hardware buttons
[22:25] <CalicoFlows> I have no idea what volume level Jack uses, but thank god it's not the maximum.
[22:27] <CalicoFlows> akik, I am unsure. I use qcjack, I don't know exactly what it connects to?
[22:27] <CalicoFlows> Qjackctl
[22:29] <CalicoFlows> Once I click on the volume icon on the panel I have Jack sink (pulseaudio)
[22:30] <CalicoFlows> https://i.imgur.com/6GILikn.png
[22:30] <akik> CalicoFlows: i thought qjackctl is used just to connect audio ins and outs
[22:31] <akik> CalicoFlows: good luck
[22:35] <CalicoFlows> akik, can you suggest what I should look up online
[22:36] <akik> CalicoFlows: you're still using pulseaudio in that
[22:36] <akik> CalicoFlows: that's how we fixed that problem with the apps not being able to play audio
[22:37] <akik> CalicoFlows: so i'm not certain what is not working
[22:37] <ecormier> CalicoFlows: Jack simply uses alsa, try alsamixer
[22:37] <CalicoFlows> akik, I am confused as it says "JACK sink pulse audio"...
[22:38] <akik> CalicoFlows: have to go, bye
[22:38] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, so change settings in Qjackctl?
[22:39] <ecormier> CalicoFlows: Jack is a very powerful and configurable audio server... you don't want it to go through pulse, that defeats the purpose imho
[22:39] <ecormier> CalicoFlows: the expected behaviour is that it takes over alsa and all audio on the machine
[22:41] <ecormier> if you just want to use ardour and other apps at the same time, don't use jack... ardour has an alsa setting as well
[22:41] <ecormier> :) I've been following your conversation for days
[22:42] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, the only I thing I am sure I need as of now is recording my terminatorX cuts straight to Ardour. I don't understand Jack's capabilites further than that
[22:42] <CalicoFlows> hahah nice
[22:43] <ecormier> CalicoFlows: it's a sound server AND time-sync... so you could hook multiple programs into it (think a drum sampler, rosegarden(midi) and ardour) and when you press play on one all start synced to each other
[22:43] <ecormier> plus you get insane amounts of options with buffers and latency settings
[22:43] <ecormier> it's meant for recording and high end audio
[22:45] <ecormier> ardour runs without jack, and ardour has a mini version of jack built in without mucking about with qjackctl... although qjack is very useful
[22:45] <ecormier> it's very powerful, but overkill for most
[22:46] <ecormier> CalicoFlows: what is your end goal?
[22:47] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, how can I configure terminatorX to use ardour's jack then? I suppose I'd still use Also for my Ardour projects instead of Jack. Also I am confused as I see ALSA in Ardour, still my volume controls says pulseaudio, it just doesn't make sense to me. All I need is being able to directly import what I do in terminatorX to Ardour.
[22:48] <CalicoFlows> import=record
[22:48] <ecormier> I haven't used terminatorx, but you may need to use jack externally to do that, but you might just need to start ardour first
[22:48] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, in tX I get - OSS ALSA JACK PulseAudio
[22:49] <CalicoFlows> that's all the options I can choose from :)
[22:49] <ecormier> have you tried just using pulse or alsa?
[22:49] <ecormier> you shouldn't need jack at all for importing audio
[22:50] <ecormier> or simple recording... jack is important when dealing with multitrack recording
[22:51] <CalicoFlows> tX's recording has been unreliable in the past, that's why I was excited to find out about being able to set Ardour to record what I do in tX through Jack. So are you saying that I do not need Jack to be able to do that
[22:52] <ecormier> most likely not, again I haven't used terminatorx
[22:52] <ecormier> just installed it and I'm looking
[22:53] <CalicoFlows> I don't think it's changed much since 2004 or so since I first used it, so there's that
[22:53] <eelstrebor> i hate it when amavis gets corrupted -mail gets rejected - it's particulary bad because some financial outfits will send e-mail only once and then i get messages when i log into the accounts that ask me to verify my e-mail
[22:57] <ecormier> CalicoFlows: ardour seems like overkill for recording a single track.... could you just use audacity or something, or just record directly in terminatorx
[22:58] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, I am producing in Ardour and that's why I want to record there, I am not simply using tX, it is just a plug in basically
[22:58] <ecormier> ahhh
[22:59] <ecormier> do you need both to be 'talking' to each other, or can you do your work in ardour and then import that into terminatorx
[23:00] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, ...and all of a sudden https://i.imgur.com/qvvX2kO.png something's not right. I want Ardour to listen to tX
[23:01] <CalicoFlows> ...so far I can still play audio in other applications
[23:01] <ecormier> you're playing something in terminatorx and recording it in ardour?
[23:01] <ecormier> you'd want jack for that
[23:02] <CalicoFlows> Right. Well I am totally cool with that, if it works that is :)
[23:02] <ecormier> but as I said before, if you start ardour first (using jack) terminator should be able to hook into the already running jack session
[23:05] <simp__> Computer freezes and screen goes dark when watching YT videos or a movie in VLC. What could be causing this?
[23:06] <ecormier> so start jack (either through ardour or manually using qjackctl) and then start both ardour and terminatorx making sure both are using the jack backend and then in ardour make the proper connections to get the audio flowing
[23:11] <dianaxxyyzz> dasdasdas
[23:11] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, yeah that works, the issue I have is that my volume controls - on the panel and my hardware laptop volume keys don't control the volume levels of tX and Ardour
[23:12] <dianaxxyyzz> sal all
[23:12] <ecormier> right, so you probably want to control volume levels in ardour itself
[23:13] <ecormier> CalicoFlows: you should still be able to control your master volume using alsamixer
[23:14] <dianaxxyyzz> any armhf users here?
[23:15] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, so only alsamixer can control Jack levels, so no buttons or volume icon on panel?
[23:15] <ecormier> CalicoFlows: after starting jack here and then ardour and terminatorx, I still have master volume control using my multimedia keys
[23:17] <baba_> I am having an issue with screen blanking
[23:17] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, and does Ardour get muted if you mute the master sound?
[23:17] <ecormier> should
[23:18] <ecormier> yes
[23:19] <ecormier> CalicoFlows: here's a screenshot with me double checking connections in the qjack 'connections': https://pasteboard.co/H6UkijB.jpg
[23:20] <ecormier> they're all there and talking to each other
[23:21] <ecormier> CalicoFlows: but even when I'm recording in ardour, I'll still set my mic levels using Alsamixer
[23:23] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, the thing is use the panel volume control a lot, a lot-a lot, and it not controlling Ardour could be quite frustrating. I am changing the volume levels like 15 times a minute sometimes, maybe
[23:23] <baba_> My portable computer has a video out to an external display....when the display goes to black, the backlight suts off, but when I touch a key, sometimes the backlight comes on with thte lcd panel all black.
[23:25] <ecormier> CalicoFlows: so leave a terminal window with alsamixer open.... trying to use a pulseaudio mixer to control alsa can not work so well, especially when you have multiple soundcards on the go at the same time
[23:27] <ecormier> the built in mixer in ubuntu is not going to cut it when you start diving in this deep.... you'll want to be able to switch up cards on the fly (F6 in alsamixer) and control levels for just that source
[23:28] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, but it works at your machine, right, what would be the reason that it doesn't on mine... I am on a laptop, so no multiple soundcards etc. The reason I need is, some tracks in ardour are meant to be low, but I still would like to hear it well when I adjust something on it - so I scroll over my volume icon on the panel, adjust, move on. I dont want to be resetting the actual track volume in ardour as they are set very precisely
[23:29] <ecormier> CalicoFlows: you've been changing things for days... we are not running the same system... weren't you adding pulse/jack sinks yesterday and editing pulse config files? I have no idea what state your system is in atm
[23:31] <ecormier> I'm not sure... if you're running jack over pulse, that default volume should control playback volume.... but the way to test is to fire up alsamixer, change the volume using the default volume control, and see which mixer slider it's actually moving... then play around with the others until you find the one that DOES affect the volume
[23:33] <ecormier> maybe pulse on your system is not controlling the master out, but the pcm channel... not sure... you'll have to troubleshoot a bit
[23:34] <Crashbit> I'll try to use tinc vpn with ubuntu server 17.10, but when I use systemd command to start service doesn't work. I think it's problem with netplan, becous when I start service with tincd daemon works perfect. I've read a problem with netplan and if-up scrits here. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nplan/+bug/1718227
[23:34] <ecormier> CalicoFlows: I'm running 3 soundcards here, so again my system to yours is apples and oranges
[23:36] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, indeed haha. Well, nothing is changing in alsamixer when I use the panel volume control
[23:36] <ecormier> press F5 to see ALL sliders
[23:37] <ecormier> and try again
[23:37] <ecormier> if that doesn't work, press F6 to select a different soundcard and try again
[23:37] <CalicoFlows> yep, I am certain that I see al sliders
[23:37] <ecormier> pulse sets up it's own virtual card so you have to test the F6 thing
[23:38] <CalicoFlows> hm, lemme see
[23:39] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, I have default and HDA Intel. No matter which one I choose, the panel volume control does not affect any sliders in alsamixer
[23:39] <ecormier> then you've got a pulse problem
[23:40] <ecormier> double check your sound settings in the settings program
[23:41] <ecormier> I'm not sure, but I'm starting to get the feeling this might have to do with the fact that you pumped jack through pulse
[23:42] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, everything uses the same settings here https://i.imgur.com/ZSvU12v.png
[23:43] <ecormier> pulse should change the active soundcards master, which is the alsa master for that card as well... that should work for jack as jack SHOULD be connected directly to alsa... or maybe I'm way off?
[23:44] <ecormier> 'audio hardware setup' seems like the place to go to check your input/output/device settings
[23:48] <ecormier> anyways, I've got to run... bbl
[23:51] <CalicoFlows> ecormier, Fixed it (mostly) :) When I click on the volume icon on the, under Playback devices I chose Speakers... Which moves the master in Alsamixer.  But also in its options, I can chose between speakers and headphones, or the other.
[23:51] <CalicoFlows> But I also need to go. To bed. Cause I am barely keeping my eyes open.
[23:51] <ecormier> yep, I'm out now too
[23:51] <CalicoFlows> Thanks a lot hey, appreciate it!
[23:52] <ecormier> yw
[23:53] <Outy> Question: Xubuntu (Xfce) you define to open a specific file type with a certain program (fo me its *.mod to open with parole media player) but i dont see any way to unbind (reset this file type association) to none
[23:59] <Outy> Question: Xubuntu (Xfce) you define to open a specific file type with a certain program (fo me its *.mod to open with parole media player) but i dont see any way to unbind (reset this file type association) to none