[00:00] there are some patches for other DMs - so patching sddm for Ubuntu would be the way to go [00:01] sddm right now reads the session_desktop_names so it should be easy to set the environment right - i guess it would be the three or four-liner [00:02] Right, I'll throw you my debdiff once it's gone through sbuild [00:03] It's on my TODO list to update sddm in Debian as part of the KDE/Qt team anyways, so I'll pull it there and to upstream once I can verify that it works. [00:03] and i would go a step further [00:03] Something like (rough, untested, right from my brain): return fileName().relativeFilePath.replace(s_entryExtention, QString());> error: ‘class QString’ has no member named ‘relativeFilePath’ -- bah, I'll figure it out :P [00:04] much easier [00:04] Oh? [00:04] if you look into the sddm code [00:04] and in the paste how this is handled for ubuntu in lxdm [00:05] you will notice that sddm has a routine for desktop_names [00:05] Yeah? [00:05] so set the DESKTOP_SESSION with desktop_names and be done with [00:06] you was in the right file- i guess it is already there [00:06] s/was/were/ and yeah [00:06] * tsimonq2 looks [00:07] and there is another thing that will likely explode into your face [00:09] lxqt-session provide a session in lxqt-session: /usr/share/xsessions/lxqt.desktop - and your settings package provide such a session too - both have an Exec=startlxqt [00:10] so - only a wild guess - it will be better to drop the qLubuntu file and patch the desktop file from lxqt-session to your needs [00:11] Wait, what breaks? [00:11] Are we talking about SDDM or LXQt itself here? [00:12] sddm - if you have a look into the available sessions in sddm you will find qlubuntu beside lxqt [00:12] if the user choose lxqt - it will break [00:13] if the user choose qlubuntu it will work [00:13] Why is that the case? [00:13] because of the given back session names - that will be used in 60x [00:14] * agaida think - use random swearwords at this point [00:14] I'm doing a slightly different solution than what you suggested, actually. [00:14] If I just take QLubuntu, make sure that there's no .desktop suffix or absolute path prefix, it should Just Work, right? [00:15] (You know, and then I pass that to DESKTOP_SESSION) [00:15] Either way, I don't think it matters :D [00:16] Although that's where it comes in that xorg should check if what it's setting is indeed a valid path. [00:16] if that in the end results in a valid /etc/xdg/xdg-$foo - all things are right [00:16] Right [00:16] I passed on the spec deviation to the Ubuntu X guy [00:16] But otherwise I think we don't have to touch it, right? [00:17] but i would suggest to reduce the users choices - users are sometimes really innovative [00:17] no - all can stay as it is as long the DESKTOP_SESSION is right [00:17] and that would solve the NEON and Kubuntu problems too [00:18] *Neon [00:18] :P [00:18] And righht [00:18] *right [00:18] never used it :D so bare with me - i would just patch sddm [00:19] it is specific to ubuntu and derivatives - so no upstream will really care about [00:21] oh - btw - and featherpad becomes useful slowly, we can expect a new release soon [00:23] so i demoted juffed to suggest and depend lxqt meta to featherpad [00:31] tsimonq2: and you could do us a favour - poking pochu about xdg-utils [00:32] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=884436 [00:32] Debian bug 884436 in xdg-utils "xdg-open: wrongly handled file/URL in LXQt" [Normal, Open] [00:35] agaida: I spotted featherpad in Ubuntu and it's been pulled in for the past week :P [00:36] 2018-01-12 16:33:57 agaida: I'll see if I can do an update during the weekend, ping me on Monday if that's not the case [00:36] 2018-01-12 16:37:30 that would be cool - the simple split between lxde and lxqt suggested in the upstreamed patch would be the preferred solution for both LXDE and LXQt right now [00:36] Ah ok [00:36] that was in d-devel - poked him two times after, but still no action [00:37] and i would highly recoomend to have this in bionic - otherwise user will notice it [00:37] very fast [00:37] IMO, it would make sense to just have `pcmanfm-qt` also provide `pcmanfm` [00:37] nope [00:38] I really don't think anyone is installing both at the same time and that would easily solve the xdg-open problem [00:38] simonizor: pcmanfm still exists [00:38] erm - lubuntu do this :D [00:38] It's not a replacement for it [00:38] Yeah, but who is installing both? [00:38] lubuntu [00:38] next :D [00:38] pcmanfm has a lot less features [00:38] and no, it doesn't [00:38] We SHOULDN'T be [00:38] it only comes with pcmanfm-qt [00:38] But people should be able to have both installed at the same time [00:39] right [00:39] Why? [00:39] why not [00:39] I don't see the point, honestly [00:39] For direct comparison between the two [00:39] they don't interfere [00:39] Because pcmanfm-qt does everything pcmanfm does and then some [00:40] People who install pcmanfm or pcmanfm-qt are usually doing it because they want a lightweight system... kinda doubt many people at all are installing both [00:40] install lxde [00:40] install lxqt afterwards [00:40] bingo [00:41] Would still work fine [00:41] They don't interfere or conflict, so why should they HAVE to choose one or the other? [00:41] right [00:41] Having a symlink for pcmanfm-qt to pcmanfm would still allow LXDE to work fine [00:41] you really don't want do this [00:41] I agree [00:42] simonizor: (agaida is the Debian LXQt maintainer fwiw) [00:42] If you want to do it, you're more than welcome to do it on your systems :D [00:42] I mean, I kinda *have* to [00:42] otherwise xdg-open doesn't do diddly [00:43] this is easy - fix xdg [00:43] Right [00:43] We're gonna fix XDG :) [00:43] I also *have* to have pcmanfm-qt or pcmanfm installed for xdg-open to work on LXQt [00:44] It's pretty much just nicer to install Openbox and parts of LXQt than it is to use LXQt as intended right now, IMO [00:45] Why? [00:45] I don't really care for pcmanfm-qt being the desktop manager. I'd actually like to replace it entirely [00:46] Then don't use it. [00:46] but then it's more work to get things working properly than it is to just use Openbox + parts of LXQt [00:46] https://github.com/luis-pereira/xdg-utils/commit/dbf58e9fd8c5e2089a13522d87d2e660e159b8e2 [00:46] "working properly" - what do you mean? [00:46] xdg-open mostly [00:46] ...we're fixing that. [00:46] ^^ it is really that easy - and thats what both upstreams would prefer [00:47] Just wait a few days, I'll poke my usual Core Developers and we can get a fix uploaded to Bionic. [00:47] better way - if they are DDs too - fix it in debian [00:47] Yeah, but your fix gives me more packgaes, no? [00:48] because - no diffs between ubuntu and debian [00:48] no [00:48] Then what's the fix? thought I saw it was to add something like XFce's exo stuffs [00:48] and again [00:48] 2018-02-10 01:46:24 https://github.com/luis-pereira/xdg-utils/commit/dbf58e9fd8c5e2089a13522d87d2e660e159b8e2 [00:49] only a few lines shell [00:49] Yeah, but I'm on a rolling distro lol [00:49] who cares? [00:49] i'm too [00:49] I'd replace the file myself, but it'll get updated in like a week and I'll have to redo it lol [00:50] This guy [00:50] if you are on arch - just write a own xdg-utils package [00:50] That's at the point where it becomes easier to just not use LXQt as a whole and just use parts of it [00:51] if you are on a debian or ubuntu derivative - patch the package and give it an epoch [00:51] omfg [00:51] but we are in a dev-channel? [00:51] I love when devs "omfg" :) [00:52] Yeah, 'cuz LXQt isn't regular Lubuntu [00:52] so we should _solve_ problems, not work around them [00:52] So you get directed here usually if you wanna talk about it [03:33] @GitHub193, Hi. Do youknow if Lubuntu next lxqt 18.04 will launch on aprl utterly ready to use? [03:33] @Jyoti, It depends on how things turn out. [03:33] Ok [03:34] I want to use lubuntu lxqt as my main OS [03:34] It's getting there :) [03:38] But, at least, is it certain that you will not give up the project (to continue with the construction of a Lubuntu LXQT fully functional), even with all the difficulties and after the changes that occur in Ubuntu? [03:38] Correct. [03:39] Very well :-) [03:40] The changes that occur now in Ubuntu affects Lubuntu in any way? [04:15] Sort of [04:16] It depends on your perspective. [07:51] LxQt has its own WM now? [10:17] Rustam Nasyrov was added by: Rustam Nasyrov [10:17] Hello! [10:18] Can I just download, install and use your system for educational purposes in school? [10:26] Sure...feel free to do so :D [10:27] What are you planning to do with it in your school? [10:29] office: tables, text, presentations. [10:29] Drawing. [10:29] I can put a couple of free chemistry programs under Vine [10:36] Nice :) it feels good to see schools adopt linux [10:37] (Sticker, 512x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3773 [10:40] Hi. You know? Asthe pcmanfm search function almost does not work, i allways need to install the nautilus file manager after intalling Lubuntu... [10:43] Can u check if there is a bug report of it on launchpad? [10:46] And btw what version of lubuntu is it? [10:48] Try catfish if you need powerful searches [10:50] Or ls [10:50] 😉 [11:06] Ok. Thanks [11:06] Lubuntu 17.10 [11:10] Gotcha [11:11] Ill check ot once i get back b home [21:22] Narendra Badaria was added by: Narendra Badaria [21:22] Welcome! [21:23] Hey buddies, [21:23] Mey u suggest me some cool software for lubuntu [21:24] Sorry, this isn't really what this channel is for [21:24] Okkk np [21:26] @Narendra Badaria, GIMP [21:26] That's a fun one