 Sorry folks can.somebody resend the beginners UB link again. Sorry for the interruption.
 This?  https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @profetik777, Cool, Thanks Profetik777
 Thanks a mil
 np
[05:10] <tgBot1> E. Andrés Ramírez. S was added by: E. Andrés Ramírez. S
 Where can I find systemimages for Nexus 5?
 @KunalBhat, http://system-image.ubports.com/ubports-touch/ ?
[08:05] <tgBot1> laurent was added by: laurent
 hi, someone can say me if UBport work on : … BQ Aquaris e4.5 please?
 it's a supported, if legacy, device
 so yes
 👌
 I will try to install it
 No try, only success here
 At the end sometimes...
 On my aquaris I have ubuntu touch 15.04, can I upgrade to UBport or I need to re install all ?
 No upgrade until UBports is installed, then OTA as usual
 @Ismaelbonato, do you have a Nexus 5? perhaps you can help me try to fix some bugs in unity8...I already had a look with one of the bugs I logged but my fix doesn't look like a good solution..it's like a workaround for now...it needs further analysis
 @Der_Sven, Thank you!
 @mariogrip I got sound with upgraded pulseaudio-droid-module
 I had to include it in pulseaudio tree though, otherwise it crashed
 @NotKit, I am up to test that
 I guess Ubuntu configuration options are different and separate-built module misses some defines
 @vanyasem, right now
 you have Qualcomm :)
 I tested on MTK
 let me test it
 I am cra≈azy
 whats the difference between MTK and Qcom when it comes to audio?
 I thought that the package is the same
 am I wrong ? @NotKit
 package is same, and I used Halium android-7.1 headers to build it, but Audio HAL is different, so who knows
 any special steps? like altering the configuration?
 install pulseaudio-module-droid deb from my archive (it may require installing same version of other pulseaudio packages as dependencies)
 @vanyasem, and so that's it basically? thank you !
 no, you need to edit config :)
 dam
 do I need to manually specify audio devices?
 @laurent, totally! writing to you from e4.5, using it as a daily driver even
 @vanyasem https://bpaste.net/show/9eab25c35d8b
 oh, so just enable the module. makes sense
 i was not able to make in work. still `[    1.958854]   No soundcards found.`
 If you want to play on ubuntu touch and built your own app or contributing to an existing one, this telegram group is made to get help from each others :) … #ubuntu #app #dev  #UbuntuAppDev … https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN (english)
 (finally turned into a supergroup)
 @vanyasem, it's from dmesg
 @NotKit, yep
 way before pulseaudio gets started
 makes sense. how have you tested it?
 as phablet: … service stop pulseaudio … pulseaudio -vvvvvv -n -F /etc/pulse/touch.pa
 but probably pulseaudio started by upstart still should have logs somewhere
 i guess i misunderstood your paste
 as it complains about missing modules
 what module?
 @NotKit, `Failed to load module "module-droid-card" (argument: ""): initialization failed. … `
 anything in logs before it?
 @NotKit, https://paste.ubuntu.com/=m92KFXwJfZ/
 line 75
 (Photo, 879x157) https://irc.ubports.com/2gfR62s0/file_4157.jpg that's what i changed in my conf
 I: [pulseaudio] droid-util.c: [/system/etc/audio_policy.conf:156] Unknown output devices entries: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_MIRRORLINK
 that's where it fails
 that file is weird
 it has entries that are commented out
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/=fNPJwWnKWy/
 @vanyasem, #HTC_AUD_START and  #HT_AUD_END
 try commenting out mirrorlink section
 but this needs fixes in https://github.com/mer-hybris/pulseaudio-modules-droid
 @NotKit, it's in the android filesystem which is read only
 not sure if that's a good idea
 it's write protected, i can't even remount it
 because it was mounted first as r/o, so loop device is read-only as well
[10:38] <tgBot1> freshvanilla was added by: freshvanilla
 @freshvanilla, Hello netjunky and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 So I found a bunch of break boards, that I think can all eventually be linked together, like pycom, Intel, arduino, and mini pc motherboards. All though I remember there was one brand that didn't work to well with Ubuntu touch?
 Is that specifically arduino or adafruits?
 @Javacookies, I don't have one sorry. Firstly I would like to help with unity 8 for desktop. but I think i need to waiting until unity 8 on 16.04 has finished
 oh I see...no problem : … the bug I logged is actually for the desktop mode however it's only reproducible when connecting a phone/tablet to a monitor … anyway, perhaps you can look for other things you can help while waiting for 16.04 unity8 ;)
 Hi @dohbee I decided to point the reference to the SD card rather than the whole media/phablet dir. Then, it works if I run sudo service rc.local start in the terminal, but contrary to my expectations that command doesn't run on startup? Is there a way to have it like so?
 A different question is, @UniversalSuperBox I recall you saying a while back that only Microsoft had good Miracast dongles with a standard achieved for UT wireless display on a monitor. Is that still the case?
 No one has tested.
 But then, can you vouch for the quality of a dongle by that company for our purposes?
 I know that Microsoft dongles were well-tested before the Canonical drop. That is all.
 OIC. Well I think I'll go for their V2 adapter and try it out.
 @Javacookies, I'm looking for to see or to help building a plan for Future of unity8
 It was good enough for an official demo put out by canonical too
 https://youtu.be/NUiEnTLFFdk
 But that's it
 I have got a MS Miracast dongle + Pro5, but the mouse lag makes it really hard to use as desktop. Also in 16.04 wireless display seems to be broken.
 Hi
 I want to ask something
 @TartanSpartan, It was only the v1, v2 had some issues iirc
 I know ubuntu touch project is stopped in 2015
 Nope. Canonical dropped it in 2017
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/X7aSphQn/file_4161.jpg
 What is they
 I have no idea what they you mean
 What URL is that?
 cdimage.ubuntu.cok
 That's the domain yes, but not the URL
 Nevermind
 I thinkSome complication in ftp server, 2016 lenked to 2017
 I want to ask, who are developing the ubuntu touch?
 Now
 Ubports are
 When I was looking the ubuntu touch webpages today, My knowings are died
 Fwd from ubuconEU2018: Conference Confirmed: … Marius Gripsgard … Live Ubuntu Touch/Halium porting. … Intro to porting Halium (hardware abstraction layer) that makes GNU/Linux distributions Ubuntu Touch Plasma Mobile compatible with Android devices.
 I am confused hard
 Sorry, but I can't really answer questions for which you do not include sufficient context.
 I can only ask that you provide the missing context.
 @dohbee, Who made the Xenial, zesty preinstalled ubuntu touch images in the cdimage.ubuntu.com?
 Cannoncial or UBports?
 Canonical did, before they dropped it
 İn 2016?
 İn 2015, cannoncial, ok.
 Until April 2017
[16:54] <tgBot1> <Marco A> @TartanSpartan, hi, I'm new here, maybe I'm asking obvious things, is this a desktop pc screenshot with an ubuntu touch window on the right?
[16:54] <tgBot1> <Marco A> Is this vnc or something like that?
 Looks like a Nexus 5 plugged into an external monitor
 @Marco A, I think that's a tablet most likely bq m10...you see the side stage at the right ;)
 Ah, yeah, that makes sense
 So I've run into an issue
 and that's libertine/xmir at the left ;)
 I've got a ubport initrd hit a nail
 Error
[17:01] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> Hi,
 And the website sent me here :)
 Hello
 @KunalBhat, Alright, grab a telnet session by running `telnet 192.168.2.15` and let's get running
 @UniversalSuperBox, Got it running already ;)
[17:02] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> having trouble installing ubuntu touch on my BQ Aquaris E5 Ubuntu Edition
[17:02] <tgBot1> <Marco A> ok, thank you :) maybe are there any vnc howto to have the phone screen on a pc desktop?
 @KunalBhat, Can you pastebin `dmesg`?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Nevermind give me a second
 My phone's disconnected
 https://pastebin.com/Z89uYpnr
 here you go @UniversalSuperBox
[17:09] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> hi
 Hi!
[17:11] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> can anyone help me how to install Ubuntu touch on my BQ Aquaris E5 Ubuntu Edition
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/install.html#
 Martin, was that with a wired or wireless mouse? Wired is preferable in this context.
[17:15] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> Having problem getting the phone into bootloader mode😢
 @Lars Goran, Does your device respond to adb commands?
[17:16] <Beton> @Lars Goran try holding power + vol down
 ^ yes this. Also sometimes I notice I have to completely power off a device, and unplug it from the usb cable for some reason.
 @TartanSpartan, It was a bluetooth mouse, maybe i should try a wired one. thx for the tip
 Then power + vol down , and replug after in bootloader
[17:17] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> tried holding power+vol down doesnt work
 Marco, yes that is my M10, showing the beauty of running a desktop app side by side with a mobile app #Multitasking :)
 how about power and vol up?
[17:17] <Beton> the image in Ubports Installer shows power + vol up, but this is misleading for E5
 @KunalBhat can you do `cat /proc/cmdline`?
 okey
 https://hastebin.com/uyiqaxucoj.vbs
 Martin, yes. This should be heavily signposted info: using bluetooth mice, keyboards and other peripherals can bottleneck wireless traffic for the phablet, which is absolutely not desirable for streaming to a monitor. Wired devices should be employed if at all possible using USB OTG interfaces.
 Hmm.
 @KunalBhat, The earliest place where it can panic after giving that message is `mount -o bind /root/run/image.fstab /root/etc/fstab`
 Is there anything in `/root`?
[17:21] <Beton> @Lars Goran you should power off your device, hold power + vol down for few seconds, and release power button, still holding volume down
[17:21] <Beton> this works for my E5
 xbin        usr         lib         build.prop  bin         lost+found … vendor      media       etc         boot        addon.d
 everything that;s there in root
 You say you use a Microsoft adapter, was this the V1 type?
 @KunalBhat, Okay, for some reason it's mounting the Android system.img... ohhhhhh
 Did you have a Halium rootfs on the phone right before the UT one?
 Yep
 Because @dohbee said the V2 one had issues of some sort.
 I see.
 Can you go to recovery and...
[17:24] <Beton> @Lars Goran if this will not work, try the same procedure, but with power up instead
 ```rm /data/system.img … ln -s /data/ubuntu.img /data/system.img```
 ohkay
 sure
[17:26] <tgBot1> <Marco A> @TartanSpartan, Thank you, very nice. I would be interested in having a vnc server installed on the phone to be able e.g. to answer to sms messages with my PC keyboard. But last time I tried to apt-get install samba setting rw permission I had to reflash my phone :) ...
 Nope
 Nail again
 `ls /root` again?
[17:30] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Going to dip my feet in the devel version of ub touch. Read that a lot of apps just would not run at all yesterday (calculator would start but not accept touch input), that still the situation?
 Give me 2-3 mintues ... the battery died
 @Jimmie Johnsson, 16.04, yes
 Im making another build with a change in fstab
[17:32] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> alrite, better brace myself then. Anyone working on those issues already?
[17:35] <tgBot1> MixLeNain was added by: MixLeNain
 You can safely assume they are and progress is tracked across github repos, but it's still a long way before we have stable Xenial.
 I put it on my MX4, can test specific apps if you like (but I can't load new ones from Openstore, that's just one of the several deficiencies, to be fair!).
 I'm flashing the new systemimage ... just a minute
[17:38] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> things seem fine so far.
 okay okay okay
 that fixed it
 👍
 Thank you
 Here;s the problem
 RootFs did;nt ask for password ...
 ?
 Rootf didn't ask me to enter a password for root
 No, you need to log on as `phablet`
 Using the password you set during install
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yeah the install didn't ask me to set a password
 You used the specific branch given in the docs?
 Yep
[17:45] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> Hi, Im in Factory mode n my phone and ubports installer is not doing anything..just say reboot to bootloader....😳
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/47r6Vkci/file_4163.jpg @UniversalSuperBox this is what I get when I start SSH
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/P6prhLTF/file_4165.jpg
[17:49] <Beton> @Lars Goran, factory mode is not fastboot mode
[17:49] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Anyone know what "Binder_2" is?
[17:50] <TyrfingMjolnir> Did anyone pick up the ubuntu touch project and make something like bodhi touch or arch linux touch?
[17:50] <TyrfingMjolnir> What is the best hardware for running ubuntu touch?
 My SSH connection keeps timing out ...
[17:52] <Beton> TyrfingMjolnir, for now best hardware is any device listed on https://www.ubports.com/devices/ready-to-use-devices
 @KunalBhat, Have you set the IP for your computer?
 You might need to 'delete' the connection using the Gnome networks GUI.
 And then set the IP again
 How do I set the IP again?
[17:54] <TyrfingMjolnir> Beton: I looked at reviews for Meizu Pro 5 and the critique is that the hardware is slow.
[17:55] <Beton> TyrfingMjolnir, Meizu Pro 5 is legacy device afaik
 @TyrfingMjolnir, Nope. Only the Ubports continuation of the project
[17:56] <TyrfingMjolnir> What is current?
[17:56] <TyrfingMjolnir> Meizu Pro 6?
 @Beton, "legacy" is unrelated to device performance
 not sure who would say the pro 5 was slow, it is far from it
[17:57] <Beton> TyrfingMjolnir, Fairphone 2, Nexus 5, OnePlus One, BQ M10
 @UniversalSuperBox connection refused now ;/
[17:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> The core of my question is rooted in the fact that I would like to have linux available without java between me and linux
 "legacy" is more like "core ubports devs probably don't have these devices and they aren't actively tested on regularly"
 @TyrfingMjolnir, given that statement, i'm going to take a wild guess and suggest that ubuntu touch is also not the linux you wish for
 Pro 5 is an utter powerhouse, a superb choice for any OS let alone Ubuntu Touch. Especially so when you opt for the pimped out version like mine which has 64GB internal storage and 4GB RAM.
[18:00] <Beton_> I dont think Pro 5 is to slow, I'm running Ubuntu Touch on BQ E5 that have slower hardware, and it working very good
 4GB RAM! I wish Nexus 5 has that....too bad PRO 5 doesn't support wired external monitor
 @Javacookies, Eh, Pixel could have been a great option instead, alas it's overpriced and lacking some features the Nexus 5 had. :-/
[18:05] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> Hi
[18:07] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> Keep ending up in Factory Mode on my phone wnen I try to use bootloder
 @TartanSpartan, I was just trying to remember the chatter from the people working on it and testing it. Maybe the v2 does work after all: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DisplayCasting
[18:07] <Beton> @Lars Goran, what combination of buttons do you using?
[18:08] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> Power+vol doen
[18:08] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> down
 "Factory Mode" == recovery?
[18:08] <Beton> try use Power + Vol Down instead
[18:08] <Beton> Vol Up*
 Lars Goran is Ubuntu already installed on the phone and working?
[18:10] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> now thescreen says Recovery,fastbood and normal.which should I use?
[18:10] <Beton> fastboot of course
[18:11] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> shall I start the installer first?
 why don't you just enable dev mode in ubuntu and then install that way?
[18:12] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> I have dev mode enabled
 should be able to use the installer with the device booted then. it should be able to then reboot to fastboot, flash the recovery image, reboot, and flash the OS, from there
[18:14] <Beton> the problem is that Ubports Installer not working for E5, for me it stops on "reboot to fastboot mode"
[18:14] <Beton> I flashed my E5 with old method
[18:15] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> how?
 @UniversalSuperBox Connection refused  :/
 Pastebin `/data/system-data/etc/init/ssh.override`
[18:17] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> ist there an OTA- image of ubuntu touch like they used to update the the phone with bq?
 Yes, but you need to manually flash to our builds first
[18:18] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> how do I do that step by step?
[18:19] <Beton> @Lars Goran, I flashed my E5 with ubuntu-device-flash tool
[18:19] <Beton> Here is old tutorial: https://web.archive.org/web/20170622144804/https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/How-to-flash-existing-ubuntu-touch-devices-with-Ubports-images
 what os are you flashing from on your PC?
[18:20] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> OH? thesame u can use to flash it to Android?
[18:21] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> I use BQ android firmware
[18:22] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Anyone know which log to go digging in if ubuntu touch crashes?
 http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Product/Product_Overview.aspx?DetailID=1700&CategoryID=14&DetailName=Feature&MenuID=111&LanID=0
 this would be a cool device to see ubuntu on
 @Jimmie Johnsson, depends on how you define "crashes" but actual crashes should have something in /var/crash/
[18:23] <tgBot1> Владимир Г. was added by: Владимир Г.
[18:24] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> I tried a running grep and after a while the device went black and showed me the "Google" logo, I guess it just rebooted.
[18:24] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Alrite I'll have a look in there
 @UniversalSuperBox https://hastebin.com/erosavutuc.pl
 I really don't think you had the right branch of rootstock.
 Hmm
 This is what that file needs to read: https://paste.ubuntu.com/=97WgPWQvfJ/
 Which one is it
 `xenial-actuallyfixit`
 Ooo
 I didn't change the branch when I cloned it
 @UniversalSuperBox, You'll still need to update the file to match this
 Damn it
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 No big deal
 @dohbee Ok well I will opt for V2. Common sense suggests a newer version of a peripheral shouldn't represent a regression. But worst cons to worse, I can always send it back.
 @Jimmie Johnsson, sounds like maybe you hit the OOM killer and something was causing one of the important system services to keep restarting, which caused the watchdog script to reboot the phone
 @TartanSpartan, well, we're talking linux here. newer stuff tends to not be supported as well, since devs haven't necessarily had time to reverse engineer things. but yeah, it should work ok i guess.
 V2 is also more easily accessible, first hand, from Amazon.
 Fingers crossed!
[18:31] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> is it safe to delete the syslog? Thought I could just wipe it clean and then try what provokes it to crash and then have a look at it
 Sure, why not
 Yeah. Usually easier to buy new things. :)
 i mean, syslog gets rotated
 so uh, what's the point of deleting it exactly?
 just `grep watchdog /var/log/syslog` and it will likely tell you if that was the issue
[18:38] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> Hi
[18:38] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> hi
[18:38] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> still no success
[18:40] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> can I use the method BQ use for flashing to Android?
 Btw Rodney, did you see my follow-up question earlier today about the rc.local autostart for mounting the SD card for Libertine?
 @TartanSpartan, you'll have to check syslog to see why it's "not running" i think. more likely it's running and failing at startup for some reason
[18:43] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @dohbee, Feb 10 19:14:31 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [    9.812938] dhd_attach(): thread:dhd_watchdog_thread:501 started
[18:43] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> That sounds like it?
 no, that's the kernel watchdog
 the thing i'm talking about i think will appear as "ubuntu-phablet watchdog:"
 instead of kernel: there
 it's basically a bit of upstart magic and a script to reboot the phone when important system services keep restarting
 @UniversalSuperBox now it's rebooting constantly
 :/
[18:49] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> @dohbee, Dont see anything like that. Is there something thats logged to the syslog always when it powers up?
[18:50] <tgBot1> <Lars Goran> If I download and open the Ubuntu Edition firmware and replace the existing recovery.img with ubports and flash the firmware....would it work?
 @Jimmie Johnsson, i don't recall, but probably not. i think it only appears when things start restarting constantly
[18:51] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Alrite. I'll try and dig around a bit more. It seems that the crash dose'nt always happen.  Probably cause when I grep the last time from the terminal app in the phone, it tried reading/acessing something it should not have tried accessing and it could'nt recoup from that. perhaps if I grep for something that it will not find forcing it to go through everything
[18:57] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Ahh. I think I see what happened. grep stats back with "Cannot allocate memory". Perhaps if that happens at a bad time, the phone might have a real hard time since something ate all the memory on it causing it to crash
 yeah, sounds like OOM
[18:59] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> I did grep recursively through the entire device looking for something.  I cant imagine grep itself is a memory hog though? It has to be something else that is eating up the memory when grep is being executed
 well, if you hit a file larger than the available memory, it would be unable to allocate the memory to read the file.
 like, say, a movie or something
 Along these lines, for looking at sys log, I should use dmesg | grep something. But what should "something" be?
 dmesg != syslog
 Ok, so instead I should use...?
 why not just `grep foo /var/log/syslog` ?
 Just needed a spark of inspiration, thanks.
 bash: /var/log/syslog: Permission denied
 right, you probably need sudo to read it
 Still denies permission with sud.
 Nam, used nano instead.
 *nvm
 I guess I should reboot and then read the log straight after.
[19:34] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> "ubuntu-phablet kernel: [    0.000000] Booting Linux on physical CPU 0" sure sound like the phone is booting right?
[19:35] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> It seems that when ever it begins to log in syslog from the reboot (at least when it crashes which is what Im trying to provoke with my grep command), the log is always dated May 5 06:02 - ring any bells for anyone?
 It doesn't know the time yet
 Because of the way that Qualcomm RTCs work.
[19:51] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Yeah seems like it gets some random date and time when booting up. Well, thats a good thing to know if looking for boot info in the syslog. Can see these random dates in middle of "normal" logging messages when it went down
[19:56] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Last logged before I get a new date: "ubuntu-phablet rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="7.4.4" x-pid="858" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] exiting on signal 15."
 yeah, it was killed
 OOM killer will do things like that :)
[20:11] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Still intrigued why it would gargle up all that memory. When it spat out the cant allocate memory message, it was trying to read back a file that is only couple of 100kbs. Perhaps it was trying to read through a bunch of logfiles or some other file that is big that just comes with ubuntu.
[20:12] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Anyone run into same problem running a (perhaps stupid) grep question and seen it just run amok with it on say a standard ubuntu pc edition?
 well, without knowing what the exact memory usage profile was at the time of that error, it's impossible to know why exactly you got that error
[20:33] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> It is reproduciable. All you have to do is do a "grep -Ril "somethingthatIwillnotfind" /" and it will crash always. Might be an interesting thing to investigate. Some would call it masochism but I kind of like it
[20:47] <Beton> UBports Installer not working for BQ M10 HD too
[20:49] <Beton> dev mode enabled, it see my device, but stuck on "Running platform tool fallback exec asar cmd fastboot devices"
 @Jimmie Johnsson, well yes, doing something that will cause RAM to get filled, will result in OOM killing things, almost certainly resulting in a reboot
 (Voice, 1s)https://irc.ubports.com/RxxIGT1w/file_4171