[02:17] <etyrnal> what's the general process for finding a driver for a particular chip that will be compatible with the banana pi m3, ubuntu, the kernel, etc?  Say you know the bpi-m3 has a AP6212 wireless chip, how does one go about finding a driver and incorporating it into the kernel etc?
[02:18] <daftykins> digging up manufacturer datasheets probably
[02:18] <etyrnal> i haven't received my SBC yet, but while i'm waiting for it to arrive i'm reading up on everything i can find.  What's a good resource for understanding the process
[02:18] <etyrnal> daftykins, thanks.
[02:18] <daftykins> might get better info in #linux
[02:21] <etyrnal> daftykins, like so?  http://wiki.friendlyarm.com/wiki/images/5/57/AP6212_V1.1_09022014.pdf
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> 51mb bionic updates
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/ubuntu-18-04-include-snap-apps-default
[07:21] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> hey hey
[07:22] <ducasse> hi, lotuspsychje - how are you today?
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> great here tnx, and yourself?
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> just had big brunch lol
[07:24] <ducasse> haven't gotten that far here yet :)
[08:08] <XXCoder> hey all
[08:08] <ducasse> \o
[08:08] <XXCoder> I was wondering about ubuntu development
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> what about it XXCoder
[08:09] <XXCoder> isnt ubuntu now use new windowing system not X? (not too sure proper name)
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> XXCoder: recently news is ubuntu 18.04 will use Xorg by default
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> but wayland reccomended/choosable
[08:10] <XXCoder> interesting. wonder what made the change
[08:10] <XXCoder> *caused
[08:11] <ducasse> x11 is very old, and has security issues (among other things)
[08:12] <ducasse> it's getting harder to update it to modern use, so they started fresh
[08:14] <XXCoder> xscreensaver tries its best on security when lock screen but yeah its bit of a mess
[08:14] <XXCoder> I just hope wayland can run all programs as usual
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> XXCoder: wayland has still issues, hence why xorg by default
[08:16] <XXCoder> interesting
[08:16] <ducasse> that's not the only security issue. and some things will change with wayland.
[08:17] <ducasse> you can no longer run graphical programs as root, for instance
[08:17] <XXCoder> hm why?
[08:17] <ducasse> security reasons
[08:20] <null00> what is the advantage of wayland over Xorg
[08:20] <ducasse> it's more modern, hence easier to implement modern features
[08:21] <ducasse> apparently. personally, i'm not a fan.
[08:23] <null00> do any distros have it be default at this point
[08:23] <ducasse> more and more do
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> null00: yes, fedora for example
[08:23] <XXCoder> dunno. currently using mint
[08:24] <XXCoder> figuring what distro to use soon, as my videocard driver dont work with newer kernel 4.4 and I cant use newer version
[08:24] <XXCoder> kind of unhappy I cannot upgrade, only must do clean install.
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> we reccomend ubuntu :p
[08:26] <XXCoder> nahhhh ;)
[08:27] <XXCoder> may end uop using ubuntu yeah
[08:27] <XXCoder> if it can be upgraded rather than fresh install for newer version
[08:27] <null00> what are you using now?
[08:27] <XXCoder> xfce mint 17.3
[08:28] <XXCoder> may get xubuntu
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> XXCoder: LTS to LTS ubuntu
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> each time 5 years support
[08:28] <ducasse> xubuntu is 3 years, afaik
[08:28] <null00> think about xbuntu or lubuntu for an older machine
[08:28] <null00> thinking*
[08:29] <XXCoder> heh my machine is pretty recent. I just love xubuntu
[08:29] <XXCoder> *xfce
[08:31] <null00> ya im thinking I like the lighter weight stuff as well, I have manjaro Xfce on an old macbook and really like it
[08:41] <XXCoder> I was so happy they finally updated xfce couple years ago
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> i did a lot of lubuntu 16.04 testing aswell
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> very nice release of lubuntu
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> best ever in my opinion
[08:42] <XXCoder> nice
[08:43] <XXCoder> I think first linux distro I used regularly was umm 5.0 something ubuntu
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> !5.04
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> this?
[08:43] <XXCoder> previous ones was just check how it works, like red hat what 3.0? or something? lol
[08:43] <XXCoder> lol yep
[08:44] <XXCoder> redhat was in 90s
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> yeah my first was some redhat on gnome
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> had to manual make networking going lol
[08:44] <XXCoder> :)
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> for a cable connection lol
[08:45] <XXCoder> when ubuntu went purple I stopped for while
[08:45] <XXCoder> then got angry with unity
[08:45] <XXCoder> I tried that, hated it so much
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> i didnt, i got all the way in the ubuntu line
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> i like unity myself
[08:46] <XXCoder> brown was pretty unique
[08:46] <XXCoder> oh well
[08:46] <XXCoder> anyway if I decide to go to ubuntu, it will be xfce edition
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> cood call
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:58] <ducasse> morning, BluesKaj
[10:59] <ducasse> how are you today?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse, doing ok, and you?
[11:00] <ducasse> i'm fine, thanks - enjoying a quiet sunday
[11:01] <BluesKaj> right
[11:02] <ducasse> snowing here today, so we've got a few more inches
[11:02] <ducasse> totally unnecessary :(
[11:03] <BluesKaj> we're expecting 1-3cm, so no biggie
[11:06] <ducasse> another 8cm expected today, with twice that tomorrow
[11:07] <XXCoder> wow whole inches
[11:07] <XXCoder> here its usually ~0 inch, even snowy days
[11:07] <XXCoder> and I live at north state wa state :P
[11:09] <BluesKaj> perhaps you coulkd be more specific, not wveryone unserstands american shortforme for your location
[11:10] <XXCoder> washington state. not the dc one :)
[11:10]  * BluesKaj turns up the light, scuse my typos
[11:10] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:12] <BluesKaj> I'm in Northern Ontario about 250 mi N of Toronto,, we have less snow here than usual here this winter
[11:13] <ducasse> i took this pic a couple of days ago, so there's more now - https://photos.app.goo.gl/mkLGzluo98ypL2Dx1
[11:13] <BluesKaj> local ski hill is struggling to stay open
[11:18] <XXCoder> yeah someday winter olymatics will be impossible
[11:19] <ducasse> i'm looking forward to that :)
[12:25] <pauljw> hi everyone
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw
[12:58] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj :)
[13:03] <BluesKaj> pauljw, what's happening today ?
[13:05] <pauljw> eh, nothing new here BluesKaj.  how about you?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> fine here, klids are visiting
[13:10] <pauljw> ah, that'll keep you busy...
[13:14] <BluesKaj> they're having fun cooking for me :-)
[13:16] <BluesKaj> my 2 daughters
[13:37] <pauljw> nice :)
[15:46] <pauljw> wb EriC^^
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> tryed skype snap on a xenial box, seemed prerry nice
[17:36] <TJ-> hggdh: thanks for dealing with s10gopal :)
[17:37] <hggdh> TJ-: I would like to say my pleasure, but it is really not a pleasure
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> yeah he's frustrating, repeating over & over
[17:40] <hggdh> What he should understand is that people will not go pander to him just because he is having a problem.
[17:41] <hggdh> in other words: he has to learn to wait, and has to learn to read what is said to him. apw had already told him what to do
[17:42] <hggdh> but... he had a run-away process in a kernel, so he gave up testing. But run-away processes are NOT the problem being researched
[17:42] <ducasse> he wants someone to either do the work for him or hold his hand all the way
[17:42] <hggdh> which will not happen, and he must understand that
[17:43] <hggdh> ah well
[17:43] <hggdh> I am going to see the world outside my hotel room for a few minutes, and cool off
[17:43] <TJ-> Maybe, but at least he's sticking with it ... so many times users's cannot be bothered and drop out before the problem is fixed, which makes the time spent helping them wasted
[17:44] <hggdh> he is stcking with it because otherwise he will not have power in his laptop
[17:44] <TJ-> right :)
[17:44] <ducasse> sure, but he's still a pain in the backside ;)
[17:44] <TJ-> I'm still not sure where to point the blame. I'm 50/50 between HP firmware and a kernel regression (in ACPI)
[17:54] <hggdh> yes, it might be a real problem, we do not know. But being a pain in the ass makes people more prone NOT to help, and he has to learn this
[17:59] <oerheks> My best bet: that R5 is not supported by amdgpu, so that might be the main issue for the drain, if the bios does not let him disable it.
[17:59] <oerheks> lots of linux related posts online with simular HP issues, m430 and others
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> lol freaky https://www.deviantart.com/art/Gentoo-Linux-Screenshot-2-Jan-2017-730120196
[18:30] <TJ-> weird, got an apache2 userdir ($USER/public_html) where files are listed correctly, all ownership/permissions in the file-system is correct ($USER:$USER, 664) , but Firefox downloads them as 0 bytes files (both local and Android). Apache log shows the GET status 200 (OK) - hate when there's no log to help  :s
[19:29] <oerheks> hggdh, i hope i got it right, user-id changed with that root-account rollback
[20:33] <hggdh> oerheks: it might. But, frankly, woking with this user is too much...