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| KingParrot | dummy package vs metapackage? | 00:58 |
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| KingParrot | Hello room | 00:58 |
| mason | Hrm, that's not how to use IRC. | 01:20 |
| KingParrot | Hello room | 02:11 |
| KingParrot | I am thining about attempting to install a MATE desktop on server from a deb file. | 02:11 |
| mason | KingParrot: From earlier, a dummy package is usually a transitional package name, as I remember, where a metapackage is a collection of packages. | 02:12 |
| mason | KingParrot: This might be more appropriate to #ubuntu, but you probably want "apt install mate-desktop-environment" | 02:13 |
| KingParrot | Ty | 02:13 |
| KingParrot | I allready found the important info | 02:13 |
| KingParrot | My notes this is a "dummy package" not a "metapackage" the main diffrance is a dummy package can be safely removed. | 02:14 |
| mason | Sounds reasonable. | 02:15 |
| KingParrot | I am giving some thought to attempting to install a Desktop from deb files | 02:15 |
| mason | It's better to use a proper repository, so you get timely updates. | 02:16 |
| KingParrot | I currently have mate-desktop-environment-extra - gir1.2-mate-desktop - ubuntu-mate-desktop | 02:16 |
| KingParrot | I think when it comes to ubuntu-mate-desktop and mate-desktop-environment-extra I haft to pick one or the other. but I am not sure | 02:17 |
| KingParrot | my server is not set up to go online. | 02:18 |
| mason | I'd be surprised if they conflicted. You should be able to pick a session type if you're using lightdm or gdm or similar. | 02:18 |
| KingParrot | I want to build everything on my server offline. | 02:18 |
| KingParrot | I am not very fumilur iwth lightdm or gdm | 02:19 |
| KingParrot | I have herd of lightdm | 02:19 |
| KingParrot | I have my ways to find out info fast | 02:20 |
| KingParrot | LightDM theme and default configuration for Ubuntu MATE | 02:20 |
| KingParrot | but I suspsect that LightDM does much more then theme aspects. | 02:21 |
| KingParrot | Is LightDM a GUI in and of its self? | 02:22 |
| mason | No, it's a display manager, like XDM | 02:22 |
| KingParrot | I am not fumilure with XDM | 02:23 |
| mason | Graphical login prompt | 02:23 |
| KingParrot | I did notice when looking at the list of MATE deb files many where API. | 02:23 |
| KingParrot | I did not download or file any of the MATE API because think the copy of ubuntu-mate-desktop that I have is a full desktop environment is what it says. | 02:26 |
| KingParrot | but I do suspect that I may need some of the MATE API in the list just not sure witch ones would sufice. | 02:27 |
| mason | KingParrot: A bulletproof way to identify the full list you need isn't coming to mind, since I don't know what you've got installed to start. | 02:34 |
| KingParrot | I have ubuntu 16.04 but I don't recall what other things I installed in it's instalation, | 02:36 |
| mason | Exactly. | 02:36 |
| KingParrot | I am thinking about installing rxvt-unicode on it. | 02:37 |
| mason | Good choice. | 02:37 |
| KingParrot | I did install Opera as a od exspirmint. | 02:37 |
| KingParrot | on some Distros Opera did not requir any depandancies. | 02:38 |
| KingParrot | but in my test on the server install it required about 6 | 02:38 |
| KingParrot | To my understanding is because I am mostly just a server I may need to install comands libray. | 02:39 |
| KingParrot | So far all the commands I have used I think worked. | 02:40 |
| KingParrot | I think I installed MYSQL on it. | 02:40 |
| KingParrot | becuase in my notes I do have a pass word. | 02:41 |
| KingParrot | and user name for MYSQL | 02:41 |
| mason | Hm, been a while since I set up MySQL from scratch. Maybe there's a database user account, like 'postgres' for PostgreSQL. | 02:44 |
| KingParrot | I have not attempted to access it. | 02:49 |
| mason | There'll be docs available from the package(s). | 02:50 |
| KingParrot | I think the MYSQL dose not have a seprite user account. | 02:53 |
| KingParrot | I occured to me when logged into the server and when I did cat /etc/passwd it had 3 accounts | 02:53 |
| KingParrot | 2 of the accounts I made after the server instalation. | 02:54 |
| KingParrot | so the MYSQL password must be for the main account. | 02:54 |
| mason | KingParrot: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-mysql-on-ubuntu-16-04 | 02:55 |
| KingParrot | LAMP was a seprit optoin and I normaly do install it because it seems to be a main one to use. | 02:56 |
| KingParrot | This is a good page to look or mason it sugjest to make a none root user and a firewall. | 02:58 |
| KingParrot | I alwise make none root user accounts some times 2 or 3 of them. | 02:59 |
| KingParrot | from my espirments it seems that user accounts in certain distros are not as sovrin as they could be. | 03:00 |
| mason | How so? | 03:00 |
| KingParrot | It would be nice that if install programs that it would only make changes to that exsact user accout with out affecting other user accounts thus the main system. | 03:00 |
| KingParrot | example if I install Maxthon in one user profile then in the onther user profile maxthon would not be installed. | 03:02 |
| mason | I'm not familiar with Maxthon, but that sounds like a sort of sovereignty if per-user installs are limited to that user. | 03:03 |
| KingParrot | if the user accounts were more sovrine like that it would be awsume | 03:03 |
| KingParrot | Maxthon is a web browser | 03:03 |
| mason | By default in Ubuntu you're not installing things for individual users/accounts. | 03:03 |
| KingParrot | Maxthon is a odd ball browser it use 2 engince on like most broswers. | 03:04 |
| KingParrot | because Maxthon uses 2 engines it runes more processes. | 03:04 |
| KingParrot | it is like running 2 web browsers at the same time. | 03:04 |
| KingParrot | one of the core engines is trident out of Microsofts IE explorer and the other I think is webkit but I don't recall for sure. | 03:05 |
| KingParrot | mason is linux PC your main online pc? | 03:06 |
| mason | KingParrot: Maxthon is interesting, but I think I'd trust a free-software browser more. | 03:06 |
| KingParrot | http://www.maxthon.com/blog/maxthon-cloud-browser-for-linux-v1-0-4-0-beta-is-released-feature-the-new-cloud-sync-manager/ | 03:07 |
| KingParrot | Maxthon is free | 03:07 |
| KingParrot | but I don't think it is open sorce. | 03:07 |
| KingParrot | Maxthon is out of China | 03:07 |
| KingParrot | I have used it on windows. | 03:07 |
| mason | Yeah, I meant "libre" rather than "gratis" when I said "free". | 03:08 |
| KingParrot | I had tried to find it off and on for linux but yester day I manages to obtain 3 copies | 03:08 |
| mason | That's a problem you wouldn't have with free software. | 03:09 |
| KingParrot | Some of the very first Opera browser a person had to pay to use. | 03:09 |
| KingParrot | I have a copy of a paid version of Opera. | 03:09 |
| KingParrot | can install it and run it but can't use it online I don't think | 03:10 |
| mason | The only commercial software I use regularly nowadays is xv. | 03:10 |
| KingParrot | I avoid trial versions. | 03:10 |
| KingParrot | I was testing out vpn and one of them had a 7 day trial so I sent them a Email. | 03:11 |
| KingParrot | I told them they needed to be more bold and more clear that it was a trail version. | 03:12 |
| KingParrot | I think that is what I told them. | 03:12 |
| KingParrot | Pay stuff of free stuff I am fine with but deceptive trial version junk I dispise. | 03:13 |
| KingParrot | One thing I don't like about these new windows PC is you pay for the OS but they do not provide a copy of that OS with the PC. | 03:14 |
| KingParrot | bunch of crimanals. | 03:14 |
| mason | Yeah, that practise is a bit troubling. | 03:14 |
| KingParrot | If I pay for all that system soft were it should also be in the box. | 03:14 |
| mason | Luckily Ubuntu doesn't have that problem. :) | 03:15 |
| KingParrot | I wipe HD often | 03:15 |
| KingParrot | I do clean installs often | 03:15 |
| KingParrot | but recently I did a funny | 03:15 |
| KingParrot | Linux has been a real trip I had done things I never done with windows. | 03:15 |
| KingParrot | I currently have 8 o | 03:16 |
| KingParrot | I have 8 OS on this HD | 03:16 |
| KingParrot | I messed up on the one and gavein the partion size of the OS to small so even defragmenting it did not help its performance. | 03:17 |
| mason | KingParrot: I need to head off for the night, but good luck with your MATE install, and have fun! | 03:17 |
| KingParrot | so instead of wipeing the Drive I just Installed that Esact disro again but with more drive space. | 03:17 |
| KingParrot | u have a Email? | 03:18 |
| KingParrot | mysqladmin | 03:20 |
| KingParrot | idk what or if I should get a LightDM. | 03:24 |
| KingParrot | they can walk | 05:07 |
| KingParrot | alex | 05:34 |
| KingParrot | ftp | 05:49 |
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| rthornton | what files do I need to edit in order to setup a static IP system? | 18:32 |
| TJ- | rthornton: depends which release of Ubuntu. Recent releases use netplan | 18:33 |
| rthornton | ok, so I am experiementing with both 16.04LTS and 17.10 | 18:34 |
| rthornton | is netplan installed by default, or I sudo apt install netplan | 18:35 |
| TJ- | nplan allows you to write a service-agnostic configuration which at boot-time is processed by a generator to write the correct config for the system's network handling service, systemd-netword or network-manager are the two renders currently supported | 18:36 |
| TJ- | rthornton: for 17.10 it'll be by default; for 16.04 you'll need to install package 'nplan' | 18:36 |
| rthornton | ok, thx | 18:37 |
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| HardcoreKrypton | anyone use curtin ? | 19:44 |
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| KingParrot | Hello Wackos and Gents | 23:03 |
| KingParrot | bleach | 23:03 |
| KingParrot | Any one here use vsftpd? | 23:04 |
| cncr04s | no it sucks | 23:15 |
| Ussat | ftp....really ? | 23:17 |
| KingParrot | yes | 23:17 |
| KingParrot | my attempts to use Samba has not gone well | 23:17 |
| Ussat | ftp = bad | 23:18 |
| Nivex | is sftp an option? | 23:18 |
| KingParrot | I did set up ftp on WinXP | 23:18 |
| KingParrot | sftp? | 23:18 |
| KingParrot | what is the diffrance? | 23:18 |
| Nivex | sftp is a subsystem of SSH | 23:18 |
| KingParrot | is one easyer to set up then then the other? | 23:18 |
| Ussat | use scp or sftp | 23:19 |
| Ussat | they are secure | 23:19 |
| Nivex | if you already have SSH working, you've got the server side done | 23:19 |
| Ussat | Nivex, you mean scp | 23:19 |
| KingParrot | I think my CentOS 6.8 may have SSH out of the box. | 23:19 |
| Nivex | Ussat: I said what I meant. | 23:19 |
| KingParrot | What should I use? | 23:20 |
| Nivex | sftp will more closely resemble a standard ftp client. scp can act more like cp but with network paths | 23:20 |
| Nivex | what is your use case? | 23:21 |
| KingParrot | This package provides the "Very Secure FTP Daemon", written from the ground up with security in mind. It supports both anonymous and non-anonymous FTP access, PAM authentication, bandwidth limiting, and the Linux sendfile() facility. | 23:21 |
| KingParrot | sftp? | 23:21 |
| Nivex | without using acronyms, tell us what you are trying to do | 23:22 |
| KingParrot | Implements the SSH2 protocol and its SFTP subsystem for ProFTPD | 23:22 |
| KingParrot | I have a Ethrnet cable from Linux PC to WinXP | 23:23 |
| KingParrot | I would like to send a large ISO file from the Linux to the XP | 23:23 |
| Nivex | directly cabled? no switch or network infrastructure? | 23:24 |
| KingParrot | It is not a fance cable just a patch cord | 23:48 |
| KingParrot | I would not mind having a fancy usb cable made for doing this. | 23:48 |
| KingParrot | Pure-PHP implementation of SFTP | 23:51 |
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