[00:58] <KingParrot> dummy package vs metapackage?
[00:58] <KingParrot> Hello room
[01:20] <mason> Hrm, that's not how to use IRC.
[02:11] <KingParrot> Hello room
[02:11] <KingParrot> I am thining about attempting to install a MATE desktop on  server from a deb file.
[02:12] <mason> KingParrot: From earlier, a dummy package is usually a transitional package name, as I remember, where a metapackage is a collection of packages.
[02:13] <mason> KingParrot: This might be more appropriate to #ubuntu, but you probably want "apt install mate-desktop-environment"
[02:13] <KingParrot> Ty
[02:13] <KingParrot> I allready found the important info
[02:14] <KingParrot> My notes this is a "dummy package" not a "metapackage" the main diffrance is a dummy package can be safely removed.
[02:15] <mason> Sounds reasonable.
[02:15] <KingParrot> I am giving some thought to attempting to install a Desktop from deb files
[02:16] <mason> It's better to use a proper repository, so you get timely updates.
[02:16] <KingParrot> I currently have mate-desktop-environment-extra -   gir1.2-mate-desktop -  ubuntu-mate-desktop
[02:17] <KingParrot> I think when it comes to ubuntu-mate-desktop and mate-desktop-environment-extra I haft to pick one or the other.  but I am not sure
[02:18] <KingParrot> my server is not set up to go online.
[02:18] <mason> I'd be surprised if they conflicted. You should be able to pick a session type if you're using lightdm or gdm or similar.
[02:18] <KingParrot> I want to build everything on my server offline.
[02:19] <KingParrot> I am not very fumilur iwth lightdm or gdm
[02:19] <KingParrot> I have herd of lightdm
[02:20] <KingParrot> I have my ways to find out info fast
[02:20] <KingParrot> LightDM theme and default configuration for Ubuntu MATE
[02:21] <KingParrot> but I suspsect that LightDM does much more then theme aspects.
[02:22] <KingParrot> Is LightDM a GUI in and of its self?
[02:22] <mason> No, it's a display manager, like XDM
[02:23] <KingParrot> I am not fumilure with XDM
[02:23] <mason> Graphical login prompt
[02:23] <KingParrot> I did notice when looking at the list of MATE deb files many where API.
[02:26] <KingParrot> I did not download or file any of the MATE API because think the copy of ubuntu-mate-desktop that I have is a full desktop environment is what it says.
[02:27] <KingParrot> but I do suspect that I may need some of the MATE API in the list just not sure witch ones would sufice.
[02:34] <mason> KingParrot: A bulletproof way to identify the full list you need isn't coming to mind, since I don't know what you've got installed to start.
[02:36] <KingParrot> I have ubuntu 16.04 but I don't recall what other things I installed in it's instalation,
[02:36] <mason> Exactly.
[02:37] <KingParrot> I am thinking about installing rxvt-unicode on it.
[02:37] <mason> Good choice.
[02:37] <KingParrot> I did install Opera as a od exspirmint.
[02:38] <KingParrot> on some Distros Opera did not requir any depandancies.
[02:38] <KingParrot> but in my test on the server install it required about 6
[02:39] <KingParrot> To my understanding is because I am mostly just a server I may need to install comands libray.
[02:40] <KingParrot> So far all the commands I have used I think worked.
[02:40] <KingParrot> I think I installed MYSQL on it.
[02:41] <KingParrot> becuase in my notes I do have a pass word.
[02:41] <KingParrot> and user name for MYSQL
[02:44] <mason> Hm, been a while since I set up MySQL from scratch. Maybe there's a database user account, like 'postgres' for PostgreSQL.
[02:49] <KingParrot> I have not attempted to access it.
[02:50] <mason> There'll be docs available from the package(s).
[02:53] <KingParrot> I think the MYSQL dose not have a seprite user account.
[02:53] <KingParrot> I occured to me when logged into the server and when I did cat /etc/passwd it had 3 accounts
[02:54] <KingParrot> 2 of the accounts I made after the server instalation.
[02:54] <KingParrot> so the MYSQL password must be for the main account.
[02:55] <mason> KingParrot: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-mysql-on-ubuntu-16-04
[02:56] <KingParrot> LAMP was a seprit optoin and I normaly do install it because it seems to be a main one to use.
[02:58] <KingParrot> This is a good page to look or mason it sugjest to make a none root user and a firewall.
[02:59] <KingParrot> I alwise make none root user accounts some times 2 or 3 of them.
[03:00] <KingParrot> from my espirments it seems that user accounts in certain distros are not as sovrin as they could be.
[03:00] <mason> How so?
[03:00] <KingParrot> It would be nice that if install programs that it would only make changes to that exsact user accout with out affecting other user accounts thus the main system.
[03:02] <KingParrot> example if I install Maxthon in one user profile then in the onther user profile maxthon would not be installed.
[03:03] <mason> I'm not familiar with Maxthon, but that sounds like a sort of sovereignty if per-user installs are limited to that user.
[03:03] <KingParrot> if the user accounts were more sovrine like that it would be awsume
[03:03] <KingParrot> Maxthon is a web browser
[03:03] <mason> By default in Ubuntu you're not installing things for individual users/accounts.
[03:04] <KingParrot> Maxthon is a odd ball browser it use 2 engince on like most broswers.
[03:04] <KingParrot> because Maxthon uses 2 engines it runes more processes.
[03:04] <KingParrot> it is like running 2 web browsers at the same time.
[03:05] <KingParrot> one of the core engines is trident out of Microsofts IE explorer and the other I think is webkit but I don't recall for sure.
[03:06] <KingParrot> mason is  linux PC your main online pc?
[03:06] <mason> KingParrot: Maxthon is interesting, but I think I'd trust a free-software browser more.
[03:07] <KingParrot> http://www.maxthon.com/blog/maxthon-cloud-browser-for-linux-v1-0-4-0-beta-is-released-feature-the-new-cloud-sync-manager/
[03:07] <KingParrot> Maxthon is free
[03:07] <KingParrot> but I don't think it is open sorce.
[03:07] <KingParrot> Maxthon is out of China
[03:07] <KingParrot> I have used it on windows.
[03:08] <mason> Yeah, I meant "libre" rather than "gratis" when I said "free".
[03:08] <KingParrot> I had tried to find it off and on for linux but yester day I manages to obtain 3 copies
[03:09] <mason> That's a problem you wouldn't have with free software.
[03:09] <KingParrot> Some of the very first Opera browser a person had to pay to use.
[03:09] <KingParrot> I have a copy of a paid version of Opera.
[03:10] <KingParrot> can install it and run it but can't use it online I don't think
[03:10] <mason> The only commercial software I use regularly nowadays is xv.
[03:10] <KingParrot> I avoid trial versions.
[03:11] <KingParrot> I was testing out vpn and one of them had a 7 day trial so I sent them a Email.
[03:12] <KingParrot> I told them they needed to be more bold and more clear that it was a trail version.
[03:12] <KingParrot> I think that is what I told them.
[03:13] <KingParrot> Pay stuff of free stuff I am fine with but deceptive trial version junk I dispise.
[03:14] <KingParrot> One thing I don't like about these new windows PC is you pay for the OS but they do not provide a copy of that OS with the PC.
[03:14] <KingParrot> bunch of crimanals.
[03:14] <mason> Yeah, that practise is a bit troubling.
[03:14] <KingParrot> If I pay for all that system soft were it should also be in the box.
[03:15] <mason> Luckily Ubuntu doesn't have that problem. :)
[03:15] <KingParrot> I wipe HD often
[03:15] <KingParrot> I do clean installs often
[03:15] <KingParrot> but recently I did a funny
[03:15] <KingParrot> Linux has been a real trip I had done things I never done with windows.
[03:16] <KingParrot> I currently have 8 o
[03:16] <KingParrot> I have 8 OS on this HD
[03:17] <KingParrot> I messed up on the one and gavein the partion size of the OS to small so even defragmenting it did not help its performance.
[03:17] <mason> KingParrot: I need to head off for the night, but good luck with your MATE install, and have fun!
[03:17] <KingParrot> so instead of wipeing the Drive I just Installed that Esact disro again but with more drive space.
[03:18] <KingParrot> u have a Email?
[03:20] <KingParrot> mysqladmin
[03:24] <KingParrot> idk what or if I should get a LightDM.
[05:07] <KingParrot> they can walk
[05:34] <KingParrot> 	alex
[05:49] <KingParrot> ftp
[18:32] <rthornton> what files do I need to edit in order to setup a static IP system?
[18:33] <TJ-> rthornton: depends which release of Ubuntu. Recent releases use netplan
[18:34] <rthornton> ok, so I am experiementing with both 16.04LTS and 17.10
[18:35] <rthornton> is netplan installed by default, or I sudo apt install netplan
[18:36] <TJ-> nplan allows you to write a service-agnostic configuration which at boot-time is processed by a generator to write the correct config for the system's network handling service, systemd-netword or network-manager are the two renders currently supported
[18:36] <TJ-> rthornton: for 17.10 it'll be by default; for 16.04 you'll need to install package 'nplan'
[18:37] <rthornton> ok, thx
[19:44] <HardcoreKrypton> anyone use curtin ?
[23:03] <KingParrot> Hello Wackos and Gents
[23:03] <KingParrot> bleach
[23:04] <KingParrot> Any one here use vsftpd?
[23:15] <cncr04s> no it sucks
[23:17] <Ussat> ftp....really ?
[23:17] <KingParrot> yes
[23:17] <KingParrot> my attempts to use Samba has not gone well
[23:18] <Ussat> ftp = bad
[23:18] <Nivex> is sftp an option?
[23:18] <KingParrot> I did set up ftp on WinXP
[23:18] <KingParrot> sftp?
[23:18] <KingParrot> what is the diffrance?
[23:18] <Nivex> sftp is a subsystem of SSH
[23:18] <KingParrot> is one easyer to set up then then the other?
[23:19] <Ussat> use scp or sftp
[23:19] <Ussat> they are secure
[23:19] <Nivex> if you already have SSH working, you've got the server side done
[23:19] <Ussat> Nivex, you mean scp
[23:19] <KingParrot> I think my CentOS 6.8 may have SSH out of the box.
[23:19] <Nivex> Ussat: I said what I meant.
[23:20] <KingParrot> What should I use?
[23:20] <Nivex> sftp will more closely resemble a standard ftp client. scp can act more like cp but with network paths
[23:21] <Nivex> what is your use case?
[23:21] <KingParrot> This package provides the "Very Secure FTP Daemon", written from the ground up with security in mind. It supports both anonymous and non-anonymous FTP access, PAM authentication, bandwidth limiting, and the Linux sendfile() facility.
[23:21] <KingParrot> sftp?
[23:22] <Nivex> without using acronyms, tell us what you are trying to do
[23:22] <KingParrot> Implements the SSH2 protocol and its SFTP subsystem for ProFTPD
[23:23] <KingParrot> I have a Ethrnet cable from Linux PC to WinXP
[23:23] <KingParrot> I would like to send a large ISO file from the Linux to the XP
[23:24] <Nivex> directly cabled? no switch or network infrastructure?
[23:48] <KingParrot> It is not a fance cable just a patch cord
[23:48] <KingParrot> I would not mind having a fancy usb cable made for doing this.
[23:51] <KingParrot> Pure-PHP implementation of SFTP