[00:23] <tgBot1> Vishnu Sudharshan was added by: Vishnu Sudharshan
 @dohbee, what are silos though?
 Fwd from Vishnu Sudharshan: Hello...i am currently using 16 version with multirom...does version 16 have a box installation? I remember reading that it would be offered as an optional installation
 Can someone who knows more than me give me a hand?
 Multirom isnt officially supported
[02:11] <tgBot1> Hackerman_tikizia was added by: Hackerman_tikizia
 @NotKit, Was the term for how things landed in Ubuntu. They were ppas with test builds of proposed changes, which when approved, were copied into the appropriate archives, and branches merged in projects.
 silos were awesome because you can test developments before they even land on devel channels :) … and there were notable few that still hasn't landed to UBports
 And probably won't
 Y'all know Bileto still exists, right?
 It's still operational.
 I use it frequently.
[06:30] <tgBot1> socalsage was added by: socalsage
 Hye guys, anyone install ubport with efidroid? Just curious as efidroid approach is different with multirom
[08:06] <tgBot1> <Vishnu Sudharshan> @Crash_Burn, Hey...my apologies...it's supposed to be Anbox installation
[08:12] <tgBot1> <Vishnu Sudharshan> @samzn, Does this mean that I can get the optional Anbox installation with the official UBports installer ? … My apologies, I don't mean to spam, just trying to get the information
 @Javacookies, Hmmm, I wonder could you identify this stuff on Launchpad? … If so I guess there's a way to check whether it was regarded as being in a working state?
 @Vishnu Sudharshan, Anbox is only supported on PRO 5 and M10 right now and there's still a special instructions to install it....UBport installer isn't capable of doing so yet as far as I know
 @padraic7a, if the silos are still searchable...I think it's in bileto … we can see where we can get the codes in launchapd
 though not all of them might be completed or at least working but there are really interesting stuffs....Menu support, parent-child window handling, workspace switcher,etc.
 @socalsage, Hello David and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
[11:56] <tgBot1> ahmed was added by: ahmed
 Hi ahmed and welcome to the Ubports SG! I am a member of the so called UBFR (Ubports first responders) team, ready to help you! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for a quick introduction to the project
 Thanks
 Hi guys, How to unlock the Nexus 5 bootloader? I just got one, but installer fails to recognize it. I assume it's because the bootloader is locked?
 @giovanniiannotti, Try nexus root tool kit its simple and run under window os
 Sorry, no windows here
 Ops hehe
 👍
 Ok, seems to work, after following these instructions> https://schier.co/blog/2013/11/09/how-to-root-nexus-5-in-linux.html
 @tsimonq2, Yes, but it's not useful for projects hosted outside launchpad, or not under the Ubuntu umbrella. AKA, it can't really be used by ubports.
 @giovanniiannotti, 👍
[13:24] <tgBot1> MdSoares was added by: MdSoares
 Hello, ubports will ever be released for oneplus2?
 Hi @MdSoares
 Welcome/bem-vindo!
 Thx / obrigado
 at this momment I don't think there's work on that
 It's a shame!
 We can't do all devices...
 not yet
 in the future maybe we can support that
 or the community might do it
 we've limmited resources
 we do support One-Plus-One
 I just think that op2 as better hardware than the majority os your supported devices
 https://ubports.com/devices/ready-to-use-devices
 yes
 it's very likely it does
 but very few of us have it
 Pois!
 we can't even por for it if we don't have any of them
 and we've a big priority wich is upgrade to Ubuntu 16.04 code base
 Ok. Obrigado. Ficarei à espera!
 and we can't just drop our current users to support  a new device
 maybe you can learn out to do it
 and do it yourself
 we can give some help
 and if you want to join our portuguese speaking group I can also help you with that
 https://t.me/UBPortsPT
 Don't know anything about coding or porting
 ah
 what a pitty
 Yep
 we sure need/welcome more developers
 I understand, but I am not one of those.
 @giovanniiannotti, Go to fastboot mode, and then issue fastboot oem unlock, did you try this?
 @Flohack, Read the rest of the backlog. :)
 Ok lol
 Oh that reminds me. @Flohack I think it's safe to re-enable translations.
 oh damn yes
 Catalan isn't building yet, but it should™
 wait I didn't make the project for Catalan
 duh
 Catalan docs site is ready: https://docs.ubports.com/ca/latest/
 You might need to rescan translations to pick it up @Flohack
 Please put show notes on the audio podcast posts like you do on the community updates
 @wayneoutthere a suggestion for ya
 @MichaelTun, Too hard
 Need volunteer. Want to do it? ;)
 mechanical turk it
 hmm, i wish telegram web had the dark theme, and didn't get out of sync so easily
 My desktop and mobile clients aren't syncing this group right either
 I have to visit the group in order to update
 Pings work sometimes, though
 huh
 we are too many for telegram?
 @wayneoutthere, Wanted to cover the info in my podcast but did not have time to listen to it prior to recording. : hint hint:
 @lduboeuf are you available to discuss https://github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com/pull/83?
 yes, here
 Cool. So, this gives me a bit of pause, since moving all of those files will wipe all of their translation strings
 I have a Pixel C, anyone looking to port to that device?
 @UniversalSuperBox, ... oh yes i was thinking of that, translations started too early i think
 There was a lot of demand for more translation projects in some communities, so that's really not easty to say
 @ahoneybun, You need porters with the device
 well I was asking if someone was working on it in the shadows lol
 pixel c has working lineage already right?
 If it have is possible to port
 But what is the base android version?
 @UniversalSuperBox, i know i'm really stuck with that daily use and advanced use thing ^^. feel free to not accept ths PR if it is too annoying
 @lduboeuf, So, think of this partly in the idea of how you would navigate it, by clicking the "Back" and "Forward" buttons at the bottom of the pages
 Does it maybe make more sense that way?
 sorry don't see.
 Don't see the buttons, or don't see the point?
 th point
 @lduboeuf, Would it make sense if there were more documents, so we ended up with an actual user's guide?
 you mean by adding all docs to "howtos" it will cause pb ?
 It'd end up as a pretty large list with no real navigation after a while.
 yeah right, but really i don't get the idea of a "daily use" and "advanded use" thing
 documentation is hard :-/
 +1 :)
 have a problem with ota 3.llevo all day without an internet connection. 3g.no not work. I do not know if something similar to someone happens.
 @lduboeuf, "Daily use" being most people don't need things like libertine or terminal access on their phones, i guess?
 My "Ideal Solution", and I haven't really gotten any feedback else than yours on it, is more like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/=M6mdrSXftF/
 @Ricardo, nexus 5? is d820 or d821?
 D821
 Since Read the Docs does export an epub and PDF, and I'd love to be able to ship offline documentation on-device someday.
 Maybe it's a pipe dream
 @UniversalSuperBox, I would say "Libertine" there probably belongs under "advanced"
 Okay, yeah, that's fair.
 and i would say ideally, anbox would be "Daily" there
 we must have technical docs(libertine, chroot...), and howto use phone docs (setup wifi, 3g, ...)
 It isn't yet, though. Maybe i should have been more ideal. :P
 @Ricardo, IIRC, there is a known issue with d821 connectivity (but i can't recall the exact issues)
 @Walid, We must have people to write them. ;)
 @UniversalSuperBox, Well, it is a pipe dream after all, right? ;)
 i'm bad at english  😊
 As Rodney said, documentation is hard. Especially balancing your use of jargon with the audience you're writing for
 Okay, there we go. Advanced use is for when we reach the point of needing a lot of jargon to accurately explain what the user should do.
 @UniversalSuperBox, agree with 2 parts, kind of "common tasks or tips & tools" and a more "hacking" section
 but? :P
 lol trying to find other words than "daliy use" and "advanced use" :)
 That's easier
 Since we can just change the heading names rather than moving a ton of files
 you're right, so maybe some articles must move, i don't think that screencasting is an "advanced" thing for example
 If there were a very maintained app for it, I think it would not be
 But since it requires use of the terminal on both the device and the host, it is advanced
 @lduboeuf, The want to do so may not be, but how you do it currently on ubuntu, is
 If the problem is the titling, that's fixable. We just need to come up with the right words
 ok, to be sure what is the target audience of user guide ?.
 non-developers, people who just want to use their phone. I don't think we can target the "average consumer" competitively, so we don't need to go quite that low
 Should shy away from using the terminal in that section, though.
 i see, so libertine is not for them :) at least how it works now
 Think of this group, I suppose. Then go... say, one notch lower
 (That's saying that people in this group have a higher tolerance for screwing with their phone, don't read into it too much)
 that is fine for me. i will close my PR then. But still some articles needs to be moved
 Most definitely.
 ok, now i will don't try to break all things, i promise ;-)
 we can start by write summary, and then any one can write / change content
 We need to consider the translators when merging in.
 They will translate anything and everything that is in that repository. They are fast.
 We don't want to waste their time, though
 yeah i agree
 So, if you see a need, file an issue on https://github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com … Don't be hand-wavy, like 'more detail in porting section'. Say exactly what you're looking for, like 'Document kernel changes that are common for devices with 3.10'
 @UniversalSuperBox, This is true of any change to any repository. Not just docs.
 Right
 I don't know how weblate works exactly, but I do know we had cases where strings got added/removed/changed in projects in launchpad, and devs would forget to update po/ with the changes.
 Right, I need to manually update pofiles right now.
 Might need to think up another workload for docs where we require every PR to have its updates. But that would make weblate really upset with merge conflicts.
 so documentation should be pretty stable before starting to have translations everywhere
 Yeah, that's a "Could have, should have, would have" problem
 😊
 Situation is: there are translations. If it's really required to move things, do it. Sunk cost fallacy and all that. But I don't think it's really required in this case.
 that's fine, i agree now with that structure
 still not happy with section name though ^^
 I know, I know. Brainstorm some suggestions, we can change a title.
 Changing the title on index.rst means that problem is solved
 ok
 yeah i see that android for example, have a specific documentation for developpers, i though it was the case for docs.ubports.com . but i don't have other ideas now. Will try later some suggestions :)
 Yeah, the app development section needs some expanding
 But that's also kinda waiting on the QtQuick2 Suru style, some neat things involving "Not the IDE", and other decisions on what we can or can't keep in the SDK
 @UniversalSuperBox, someone is actually working on replacing the ui toolkit stuff with qtquick controls?
 I humbly request the words of @sverzegnassi in this matter
 @dohbee, https://github.com/sverzegnassi/qqc2-suru-style is the WIP style
 hmm
 @UniversalSuperBox, I like your 'daily use' idea.  … I think following that heading though it makes sense for libertine and anbox to go under 'installing apps' - maybe with links / references out to  more complete sections on those techs.
 @padraic7a, So you mean, "More adventurous users may also wish to install full desktop apps on their device. See :doc:'libertine' for more details"
 Something like that?
 @DanChapman, Has it already been tested on Ubuntu Touch? I'd like to port Kaidan (XMPP client built with QtQuickControls 2 and Kirigami), and I guess this style would be useful
 @UniversalSuperBox, Could title like difficulty modes in video games. "Cinematic experience" vs "Choose your own adventure"
 yes "installing apps" can be a subsection (common click way,  anbox, libertine, raw apps ) good idea
 I would think more like: … Apps can be installed in these 3 ways: … 1. Openstore - explains how to install apps from openstore … 2. Desktop Apps - links to how to install Libertine, assumes Libertine is installed, explains how to install apps from Libertine … 3. Anbox - links to how to install anbox, asumes it is installed, explains steps of installing apps from anbox
 So 2. would be  … a.  To install and configure Libertine see doc:Libertine … b.  To install desktop apps from Libertine do x, y and z.
 Hmm, but that also assumes that you'll get the same experience between well-made UITK applications and a Libertine container... which just isn't the case right now.
 @JBBgameich, Not sure tbh, i haven't  run it on UT yet. It's been working fine on my desktop for the simple apps i've tested. But @sverzegnassi is the best person to ask about it
 Ok, I'll try to test it on my desktop first :)
 exactly!
 @dohbee, I'm unclear on who you're replying to
 @UniversalSuperBox, thanks telegram. i was replying to the doom
 ah!
 @DanChapman, No doc how to use it
 @padraic7a, Libertine should already be installed always.
 Likewise, when anbox is "ready" i think it should probably be packaged as a click, unless there's some special reason it needs to be installed as part of the root fs
 @DanChapman, Sorry for the most likely stupid question: Where do I get the `quickcontrols2-private` build dependency from?
 @dohbee, Ubuntu UI Toolkit will be still there, afaik QtQuick Controls 2 would be supported in addition to UITK. Likely, all the platform related components (clipboard, alarms, etc.) would be splitted in separate modules, alongside their test suite.
 @JBBgameich, That's actually our blocker. Seems like Qt 5.9 packages on Debian/Ubuntu platform does not export qqc2 privates. Marius and I were having a discussion about this. I've been testing it on the Qt 5.9 version provided by the official Qt installer.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I loved Doom! Was so cool, spent nights on it.
 @sverzegnassi, We accept packaging changes if y'all need it
 (I do Ubuntu's Qt packaging and also dabble in Debian's)
[17:57] <tgBot1> Skinnyman was added by: Skinnyman
[17:59] <tgBot1> jethro_swan was added by: jethro_swan
 Hello people, where can i get a little help porting issues?
 In the halium group
 @jonny, Thank you
 I've just been trying to install on a brand new Nexus 5. I get as far as the bootloader and the word START in a big green-bordered arrow, but I can't get any further. Touching START doesn't progress the installation. Any suggestions?
 @tsimonq2, Appreciated! Our main concern is about reproducibility of our build outside UBports (for UT we use our own Qt packages). In case, can we ping you on #ubuntu-qt @ Freenode, IIRC?
 @sverzegnassi, Yep :)
 @jethro_swan, That's fastboot. Is the bootloader unlocked? Start option there is too boot the system.
 volume up/dn buttons will change that menu to recovery/reboot/etc…
 power button will activate that item (there is no touch screen in fastboot)
[18:25] <tgBot1> Tompla was added by: Tompla
 Hello guys, could you help me?
 I'm trying to install Ubuntu touch on my old Nexus 4 (mako)
 But ubports installer isn't working
 Hi Tommaso, and welcome. You will be able to find help with install in the Welcome & Install room https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 "reboot to bootloader"... I've done it lol
 @exar_kun, Oh, I didn't know it, thank you
 No problem :)
 @exar_kun There also 2 new people: Skinnyman and John Waters. :)
 @Cesar_Herrera, Oh yes sorry! Thanks. Hello @jethro_swan Skinnyman @Tompla . Please check out the https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for more info.
 @jethro_swan, We are helping with installs over here https://t.me/WelcomePlus :)
 Hi UBporters, the next Ubuntu Touch Q&A is coming up in the near future. If you would like to join the Marketing Team in promoting this and other UBports events, we are looking for people to join in on the fun. Particularly we need more writers for show notes, and articles. Anyone who is willing is welcome :)
[19:39] <tgBot1> B . was added by: B .
[19:40] <tgBot1> <B .> Hello, is there someone who got experience in flashing Ubuntu Touch to Nexus 5 using the Windows installer?
 @B ., You may want to join https://t.me/WelcomePlus for assistance with installation issues
[19:45] <tgBot1> <B .> Thanks
 @exar_kun, Thanks Joe!  All in English for now, right?
 That's right
 So about 1 hour per week would make a big difference?
 how about jobs for 20 minjutes per day?
 Lots of things out there. Simple tasks. Gathering news to news@ubports.com , just being the eyes and ears, sometimes mouth when knowlegeable in welcome rooms etc.
 Hi, guys, I am still trying to install UBports (N5). First, it got blocked in downloading 1 of 12. I stated all over again and, for the lst hour, it s downloading 3 of 12. Any ideas / sugestions? Thanks
 How's your download speed
 @giovanniiannotti, Same problem
 Even though my download speed is around 30Mb
 @giovanniiannotti, Why am I living in Germany and only have 20 MBps down and 3 up .... 😵
 @Ellenjott, we call it "Neuland"
 142 Mbps is definitely not the average speed of Italian connections ^^
 @Ellenjott, Well, you know, Italy is always ahead 😉
 @sverzegnassi, Comon, Stefano, let's pretend...
 @Der_Sven, 😂
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks, Dalton. ny sugestion?
 @giovanniiannotti, Hah, I'm saying that just 23% of the whole Italian territory is lowland 😊
 @sverzegnassi, 😉
 @Tompla, Hi Stefano, I have restarted everything once again and the installer just pushed the downloaded files. Somehow it was already there, but... Anyway, now I got a Success! message from the installer ant the mobile screen shows me the robot blinking and the "installing update" message. Fingers crossed.
 @giovanniiannotti, Sooo I should disconnect the phone and start again?
 I never disconnected it. I restarted the instaler. Closed it and reopened.
 @giovanniiannotti, Let me try
 @giovanniiannotti, It started again from the beginning 😭
 Great!
 oh you still have the original plastic on the screen?
 Now, another question. Is it possible to save my data and tansfer it from Bq 4.5 to N5?
 @dohbee, I found a new one from an UK seller. Brand new.
 @giovanniiannotti, Sure. Just I wouldn't expect to keep the protective plastic on it :)
 @giovanniiannotti, yes-ish, but it is not trivial, and you need to re-install apps manually
 I was wainting to see if it worked.
 ok. For the rest?
 Three udates already!
 you can basically tar up `/home/phablet/` on one phone, and unpack it on the other phone, but you need to make sure some services are stopped before unpacking
 since there's no way to actually "log out" of unity8 on the phone
 it's a little troublesome to do it properly
 So, is it better not even try? I am an end user, not a developer... I didn't want to loose my SMS messages.
 well, i don't have the time to walk you through it myself. maybe someone in the welcome room could help you though
 @dohbee, Thanks, that's ok.