[15:01] o/ [15:01] Sorry I missed the last meeting. I was unwell. [15:02] Is " Regenerate packagesets and create one for Ubuntu Budgie" or was that taken care of at the last meeting? [15:03] Looking at the ML I see flexiondotorg has a request for the MATE packageset. [15:04] o/ [15:04] o/ [15:04] * rbasak will wait for everyone before repasting [15:05] o/ [15:05] rbasak: regenerate packagesets is done, but not create one for Ubuntu Budgie, that's blocked on the TB doing their thing [15:06] What does the TB need to do? [15:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/1733687 [15:06] Launchpad bug 1733687 in Ubuntu "Please create the ubuntu-budgie seed packageset" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:06] creating the packageset. [15:07] Ah. OK. [15:08] o/ [15:09] Do we have anything else? [15:09] Looking at the ML I see flexiondotorg has a request for the MATE packageset. [15:10] flexiondotorg: around? Though we don't have quorum yet, I'm not sure I fully understand your request. [15:11] Does this "just" need packageset regeneration as the packages are seeded again in bionic? [15:11] Or are you blocked from uploading in a previous relesae? [15:11] well, if it's updating the packageset, sil2100 did that last week [15:13] AFAICT, flexiondotorg will need a PPU entry if what he needs isn't in the ubuntu-mate packageset in a previous series due to it having been unseeded there. [15:13] It might be easier just to sponsor him if he needs a one-off upload. [15:14] cyphermox, sil2100: did you update the ubuntu-mate packageset after flexiondotorg's email on Wednesday last week? [15:14] If so perhaps the problem is fixed. [15:16] I tried another upload yesterday and it was rejected. [15:18] flexiondotorg: what was the source package name please, and to what series? [15:19] rbasak I tried mozo and mate-icon-theme-faenza uploads to bionic. [15:19] * rbasak looks [15:20] mozo is seeded again. I was unseed during 17.10 as we experiemented with an alternative menu editor. [15:20] probably the updates landed after sil's update [15:20] mate-icon-theme-faenza is unseeded in Ubuntu MATE now. But it is part of the MATE suite, so I'd like to be able to conitnue to upload updates. [15:21] cyphermox: yeah my lookups suggest that [15:21] flexiondotorg: shouldn't it just go in supported? [15:21] I have added both to supported. [15:22] I did that just prior to sending the email last week. [15:22] OK [15:22] cool [15:22] then yeah, just needs another round of updating packagesets [15:22] does supported work for seeds like that? [15:22] I believe (but am not sure) that packageset regeneration will solve this as you need for bionic then. [15:22] hrm [15:22] otoh, the commit says 02-07, and the last generation was 02-12 [15:23] I'll have a look at it [15:23] mozo (from mozo) is seeded in: [15:23] ubuntu-mate: daily-live [15:23] But it's not showing up in the packageset either [15:23] cyphermox: thanks! [15:23] rbasak: it's not about that necessarily [15:24] I'll leave it in your capable hands :) [15:24] My conclusion though is: no DMB meeting needed today then? [15:24] As the MATE packageset change doesn't need quorum [15:24] (s/change/refresh/) [15:30] Yeah [15:30] Thanks [15:30] * rbasak departs [16:35] \o [16:36] hello [16:36] #startmeeting [16:36] Meeting started Mon Feb 12 16:36:59 2018 UTC. The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:36] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [16:37] The meeting agenda can be found at: [16:37] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting [16:37] [TOPIC] Announcements === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Announcements [16:37] Jeremy Bicha (jbicha) provided a debdiff for xenial for brotli (LP: #1737364) [16:37] Launchpad bug 1737364 in brotli (Ubuntu Xenial) "16.04: Fix CVE-2016-1968 and CVE-2016-1624 for brotli" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1737364 [16:37] Thank you for your assistance in keeping Ubuntu users secure! :) [16:37] [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report [16:37] jdstrand: you're up [16:37] hi [16:37] Last week I ended up sending more time on the store items and review tools updates than I plenned, so this week I plan to: [16:37] - continue snapd PR reviews (layouts is close to done, portals, steam-support when get feedback on what I gave last week, etc) [16:38] - LSM stacking demo [16:38] that's it from me. mdeslaur, you're up [16:38] - lxd snap regression wrt confinement [16:38] - create screencast interface [16:38] - strict mode snaps on live cd [16:38] jdstrand: hey [16:38] jdstrand: I'm in the happy place this week [16:38] I'm currently publishing some USNs, and will work on some more security updates after that [16:38] that's pretty much it, sbeattie, you're up [16:39] I'm on community this week [16:40] I'm working on investigating enabling retpoline by default for bionic and all that entails [16:40] I also need to finish my precise backport for retpoline [16:41] I'll have some usual kernel cve triage to handle. [16:41] The above will surely consume my week. tyhicks, over to you. [16:42] sbeattie: do you plan to release the existing retpoline gcc updates in {artful,xenial}-proposed to -security early this week? (before the kernels go out) [16:43] I ended up spending quite a bit of time on the new, in-development USN website last week [16:44] tyhicks: good question, I'd not thought very hard about it, but that would make sense. [16:44] sbeattie: please sync up w/ the kernel team to see how their testing is going, when they're planning on releasing, and then we can figure out when to push those updates out [16:45] tyhicks: will do [16:45] .. probably folks with dkms systems would like those compilers pushed at the same time as the kernels? [16:45] this week, I'll be fixing up any issues that are discovered while the team publishes USNs to the existing and new USN websites [16:45] I need to focus on the LSM stacking demo that keeps getting pushed back [16:45] I have an embargoed issues [16:45] s/issues/issue/ [16:46] and there are some internal tasks that I'll be working on [16:46] jjohansen: you're up [16:46] I am going to be looking into a few reported bugs this week [16:47] specifically the target domain name bug, for snappy (sorry browser crashed and lost all its tabs) [16:47] and the stacking bug with px transitions that cjwatson hit [16:48] I will also be working on a revised LSM stacking kernel [16:49] and chasing down the bug with it where ssh doesn't work under selinux due to something in procattr [16:49] I also have some prep work to do before tomorrow's apparmor meeting [16:49] I think that is it for me sarnold you are up [16:50] I'm on cve triage this week; I'm working on the openjpeg2 mir, and want to file a few bug reports with the project that'll take a bit of extra time. [16:50] I'll also do some apparmor patch review if jj needs it; and then move on down the MIRs [16:51] I think that's is for me, chrisccoulson? [16:51] I've got a firefox publication to finish up [16:51] I also need to publish ubuntu-drivers-common - it's ready to go, but I don't know whether to just push it or wait for the updated kernels [16:52] other than that, I've got no other planned updates (no rust updates either!), so I'll get to spend time looking at this audit thing [16:52] of course, I can help out with other updates as well if anyone needs me too [16:52] that's me done [16:54] lionel: you're up [16:54] sorry [16:54] leosilva: you're up [16:54] hehe, I'm the happy place this week. And will have short week. [16:55] I'm working on wavpack and hunting for new pkgs to update. [16:55] that's it for me. [16:55] tyhicks: is back to you [16:55] thanks [16:55] [TOPIC] Highlighted packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages [16:55] [TOPIC] Highlighted packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages [16:55] The Ubuntu Security team suggests that contributors look into merging Debian security updates in community-supported packages. If you would like to help Ubuntu but are not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. See http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/ for available merges and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details on preparing Ubuntu security [16:55] updates. If you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-hardened. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. [16:55] [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions [16:55] Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? [16:58] jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, leosilva: Thanks! [16:58] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:58] Meeting ended Mon Feb 12 16:58:41 2018 UTC. [16:58] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-02-12-16.36.moin.txt [16:58] tks tyhicks! [16:58] thanks tyhicks [16:59] thanks tyhicks! [16:59] thanks tyhicks [16:59] tyhicks: thanks! [19:56] hi [19:56] o/ [19:56] Hey folks [19:56] good morning , here [19:58] Hello all o/ [19:58] o/ [19:59] nhaines, you here? [20:00] kyrofa: I am! [20:00] I think that's all of us, right? gsilvapt_ you want to run the bot today? [20:01] I am on mobile it's not very convenient :-( [20:01] me 2 [20:01] on yaaic [20:01] Okay-- Letozaf_ you haven't done it yet, right? Want to? [20:02] :) ok [20:02] on the way and mid night :p [20:02] Thanks :+1: [20:02] I need help :) no idea where to start [20:03] Letozaf_, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [20:03] yes just saw it now [20:03] thanks gs [20:03] Start the meeting, set chairs, and then set topics as we go [20:04] #startmeeting [20:04] Meeting started Mon Feb 12 20:04:03 2018 UTC. The chair is Letozaf_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [20:04] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | | Current topic: [20:05] #chair [20:05] Warning: Nick not in channel: [20:05] Warning: Nick not in channel: [20:05] Warning: Nick not in channel: [20:05] Warning: Nick not in channel: [20:05] Warning: Nick not in channel: [20:05] Current chairs: Letozaf_ [20:05] Letozaf_, don't include the brackets [20:05] oooh... [20:05] That syntax indicates a placeholder [20:05] lets try again [20:05] thanks [20:06] #chair Letozaf_ krofa gsilvapt nhaines kenvandine [20:06] Warning: Nick not in channel: krofa [20:06] Current chairs: Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine krofa nhaines [20:06] #chair kyrofa [20:06] Current chairs: Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine krofa kyrofa nhaines [20:06] #unchair [20:06] Current chairs: Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine krofa kyrofa nhaines [20:06] sorry for the mess [20:07] All better. :D [20:07] Unchair that krofa fellow and you're good [20:07] #unchair krofa [20:07] Current chairs: Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine kyrofa nhaines [20:07] is someone missing ? [20:07] Nope, I think we're good [20:08] For the topics, shall I get them from the Wiki ? [20:08] Indeed, from our agenda [20:09] #meetingtopic Ubuntu Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification Meeting | Current topic: [20:10] #meetingtopic Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo Team re-verification === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo Team re-verification Meeting | Current topic: [20:10] Letozaf_, ah, one at a time [20:10] :) [20:10] Once we finish one, change the topic, etc. [20:10] I was just wondering that [20:10] :) [20:10] let's do it again, ok ? [20:11] Sure thing [20:11] #meetingtopic Ubuntu Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification Meeting | Current topic: [20:11] Alright, everyone take a few moments to look over the Myanmar application. Note that the URL is incorrect, including wiki.ubuntu.com too many times [20:11] Do we have anyone from the Myanmar LoCo here? [20:12] The correct URL is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MyanmarTeam/VerificationApplication2017 [20:12] i noticed the wiki page hasn't been updated since november [20:12] yes me [20:12] yes . [20:12] hi kokoye2007! [20:12] Indeed, nothing seems to have changed at all since November [20:12] and thohi! [20:12] but we have representatives here this month, woot! [20:12] we need update for 2018 3 event [20:12] Very nice, welcome kokoye2007 and thohi [20:13] kokoye2007, how about 2017? Did anything happen? [20:14] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-mm/events/history/ [20:14] I see some pictures here : https://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-mm/pool/ about the 17.10 release party [20:14] 19 event and still need update [20:15] Lots of activity there. Were those events not important enough to be considered in the verification application? [20:15] maybe we didn't see them then [20:16] Letozaf_, they're _still_ not on the application :) [20:16] great turnout for the 17.10 release party [20:16] thanks [20:17] we make a lot of event and distribution [20:17] We make other open source and open data events use with "contributed by Ubuntu Myanmar LoCo Team". [20:17] we never missed release party [20:18] Is that also options for good ? [20:19] If we put such events , We said in local Ubuntu is everywhere :) [20:19] Just to remind everyone about our previous review, here are the relevant minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-12-11-20.07.log.html#l-63 [20:20] kyrofa, thx [20:21] kokoye2007, thohi: it would be nice to list those events on the re-verification [20:21] kokoye2007, thohi the questions that are coming up this time are the same: it seems you're active, but your application still looks incomplete, the most recent event being in 2016 [20:21] wooo [20:21] thanks for kindly [20:21] we missed this re application meeting [20:22] kokoye2007, and you put yourselves on the agenda last month as well, with no changes [20:22] bcz of timezones and date. apologize. sorry [20:22] We gave you this time to prepare your application, and I personally see no changes [20:22] agreed [20:22] we can see activity though, but it's not being documented on the reverification [20:23] yes. it's my bad [20:24] try to collect best event and photo. I still open in re application wiki edit [20:24] also we make user guide in local language [20:26] hello [20:26] ubuntumm.sf.net [20:26] kokoye2007: it doesn't look like the reverification application mentions a local language user guide. [20:28] kokoye2007, that's great [20:28] sorry for application updated [20:29] bcz missed many event and activities [20:29] https://github.com/fossmyanmar/ubuntu-mm-wiki?files=1 [20:29] it's one of old project. now we printed and share at event [20:29] like that we missed on wiki [20:29] That looks very comprehensive, but hasn't been updated in over two years. [20:30] kokoye2007, thohi: it's great to see all that you have done, but I'd still really like to see it all on the application [20:30] yes [20:30] i suggest we vote to approve ubuntu-mm for 1 more month to allow time to include all this awesome stuff on the application [20:31] shall we vote? [20:31] #vote [20:31] Please vote on: [20:31] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [20:31] +1 [20:31] every reapply and when we apply Ubuntu member application. we need more improve at wiki [20:31] Let's restart the vote. [20:31] Letozaf_, the vote should have a topic (what are we voting on) [20:31] hang on... include a description in what we are voting [20:31] thanks for your ... [20:32] sorry guys [20:32] #undo [20:32] Removing item from minutes: LINK [20:32] #endvote [20:32] No vote in progress [20:32] #vote for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification [20:32] Please vote on: for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification [20:32] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [20:32] Letozaf_, that's okay! First time is always a bit weird :) [20:33] Letozaf_, can we try one more time specifying extension :) [20:34] #vote approve Myanmar LoCo 1 month extension [20:34] Voting still open on: for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification [20:34] #undo [20:34] Removing item from minutes: LINK [20:34] #endvote [20:34] Voting ended on: for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification [20:34] Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [20:34] Deadlock, casting vote may be used [20:34] Darn [20:34] sorry for the mess [20:35] no worries [20:35] #vote MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application [20:35] Please vote on: MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application [20:35] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [20:35] +1 [20:35] +1 received from kenvandine [20:35] +1 [20:35] +1 received from nhaines [20:35] +1 [20:35] +1 received from Letozaf_ [20:35] +1 [20:35] +1 received from Gsilvapt_ [20:35] -1 we have already granted an extension for exactly this, and it was not utilized [20:35] -1 we have already granted an extension for exactly this, and it was not utilized received from kyrofa [20:36] #endvote [20:36] Voting ended on: MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application [20:36] Votes for:4 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0 [20:36] Motion carried [20:36] (fiew) [20:36] kokoye2007, thohi: please update that application including all this great stuff [20:37] thanks [20:37] kokoye2007: The application indicates that the LoCo is not active at all and has done nothing in the past year. But we see that this isn't true! [20:37] and please try to attend the meeting next month [20:37] So we need that to be in the application, because that's what we read a week before the meeting to help us make a decision. [20:37] we'll vote then for full reverification [20:37] it's a pitty that all the work you do is not documented in the Wiki [20:37] thanks , I will put other related events. [20:38] Plus, it will be helpful to you and to other LoCos to have that all in one place. :) [20:40] #meetingtopic Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification Meeting | Current topic: [20:40] Anyone from the Switzerland LoCo around? [20:41] #topic Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification [20:42] #meetingtopic Ubunut LoCo Team 12th February 2018 Montly meating === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubunut LoCo Team 12th February 2018 Montly meating Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification [20:42] As a reminder, our previous review of SwissTeam was an extension. Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-12-11-20.07.log.html#l-320 [20:44] That was the big DRAFT one, heh [20:45] #meetingtopic Ubuntu LoCo Team 12th February 2018 montly meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu LoCo Team 12th February 2018 montly meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification [20:45] In the meantime, they removed "DRAFT" and added a link to one event to plan for an 18.04 release party. [20:46] Similar to before, I like their Linux Day site, which seems active [20:47] I still don't see any activity on the mailing list, Facebook page, or Flickr. [20:47] This list of current events on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam#Events_and_other_activities jumps from 2014 to 2018 [20:48] And 2018 events are "in planning" [20:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/PastActivities goes to 2013 [20:50] I have questions about their activity, but no one is here to answer them. :/ [20:51] I think we should move this application to Launchpad and get more information. That way they don't need to be online at the meeting. [20:51] nhaines, +1 [20:51] Agreed [20:51] +1 [20:51] #vote Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad. [20:51] Please vote on: Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad. [20:51] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [20:52] +1 [20:52] +1 received from kenvandine [20:52] +1 [20:52] +1 received from Letozaf_ [20:52] Lets make it official :) [20:52] +1 [20:52] +1 received from nhaines [20:52] +1 [20:52] +1 received from Gsilvapt_ [20:52] +1 [20:52] +1 received from kyrofa [20:52] #endvote [20:52] Voting ended on: Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad. [20:52] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [20:52] Motion carried [20:53] Okay, that should give them a chance to respond. It *looks* like they're up to good things, but we need some more proof. [20:53] What's next in the agenda? There's something I'd like to ask the council but that can be done in the end [20:54] I think that's all with the agenda [20:54] That should be it [20:54] I think that's all the agenda items. [20:55] Ok, so I want to ask something that also has to be asked to the Council. I don't know how many of you are aware of the Framework in the European Union about to be approved that can harm free and open source software [20:55] It's about copyright and such: https://savecodeshare.eu/ [20:55] This covers most of it. [20:56] The Portuguese local team is considering helping other open and not-for-profit organisation but we are concerned about whether its part of our responsibility or not [20:56] Whether what, exactly, is part of our responsibility? [20:57] If on one hand it is related with Ubuntu's core philosophy, we understand if this can be seen as taking a political stand point [20:57] And, obviously, we don't want to cross our limits as a LoCo [20:57] * kenvandine isn't a lawyer, but i think in general it's good to support such causes [20:57] Ubuntu is comprised of Free and Open Source Software, so raising awareness of issues that impact the FOSS community and thus Ubuntu is definitely in your scope. And it's okay to not take positions on such things, too. That's for every LoCo to decide. [20:58] spreading awareness is harmless [20:58] Some countries may allow this or disallow this, based on whether the LoCo is registered as a non-profit organization or not, so I think we can leave the decision up to every team. [20:59] Can we somehow mark it as an official decision? Just for the record [20:59] oh, there are some loco's that are registered as non-profits? [21:00] I can still consult the Community Council, as I was expecting doing so anyways, but it would be great to have the LoCo Council's opinion [21:00] Well, the Portuguese is not @kenvandine [21:00] kenvandine: very popular in Europe as I understand. :) [21:00] i was just surprised to hear there are some that are [21:01] Allows them to take donations legally and to qualify for cultural grants and other nice things. [21:01] true, but lots of paperwork :) [21:02] May make it worth it if they use its advantages often [21:02] that's great [21:02]