[00:00] <rangemonger> ideally youve got vt-d too
[00:00] <kostkon> Budgii, it's actually more or less hardware acceleration for vms you definitely need it
[00:00] <rangemonger> vt-d is the money :P
[00:00] <Budgii> ugh..
[00:00] <Budgii> So basically i need to get into bios settings and look for a vt-** setting?
[00:00] <Budgii> set it to X?
[00:01] <rangemonger> vt-x enabled
[00:01] <kostkon> Budgii, enable it
[00:01] <rangemonger> vt-d sucks on vb
[00:01] <rangemonger> its only good on xen/kvm
[00:01] <Budgii> Will do. Be back soon. :)
[00:01] <rangemonger> i want to vt-d a geforce 5200 pci into a win98 vm
[00:02] <rangemonger> and an sblive
[00:02] <kostkon> rangemonger, sb live gold
[00:03] <rangemonger> best spu ever
[00:03] <Budgii> Enabled
[00:03] <rangemonger> well, audigy 2 zs is everything and more, i suppose
[00:03] <Budgii> BINGO!
[00:03] <Budgii> thanks.. :D
[00:03] <rangemonger> word
[00:03] <rangemonger> xfi is still great but you cant play 1 effect into another
[00:04] <rangemonger> everything after that is pretty generic due to the lack of an emu chip
[00:04] <rangemonger> cept for audigy rx
[00:04] <kostkon> rangemonger, pci sound cards are dead. noone is buying them anymore
[00:04] <rangemonger> that has one, its basically an audigy 2 zs for pcie
[00:04] <Budgii> Okay, it's asking if I want VDI, VHD or VMDK
[00:04] <Budgii> Which is recommend?
[00:04] <rangemonger> i know but for sb cards, it really was worth it at the time
[00:05] <kostkon> rangemonger, definitely
[00:05] <rangemonger> they do things that software doesnt do as well, to this day
[00:05] <rangemonger> ms killing directsound 3d was a terrible, terrible move
[00:05] <rangemonger> it basically destroyed 3d audio
[00:06] <baba_> when was the sblive card released
[00:06] <rangemonger> 95ish i think
[00:07] <rangemonger> eax2 was revolutionary
[00:07] <rangemonger> everything since has been incremental
[00:07] <Budgii> 8-9 minutes left on the 4 gig win10 iso. love fast internet. just started it.
[00:07] <rangemonger> win10 :(
[00:07] <Budgii> I don't love it either but it's free
[00:08] <bazhang> Budgii, rangemonger lets get back to topical ubuntu support please
[00:08] <rangemonger> right, sorry
[00:08] <Budgii> yeah no problem bazhang, thanks for patience
[00:12] <nejni-marji> I'm trying to install Kubuntu to a physical disk in VirtualBox, but I can't figure out how to get it to not want to install grub (which I can't do)
[00:13] <rangemonger> you can with the text based install
[00:13] <rangemonger> atleast on the minimal iso
[00:13] <nejni-marji> how do I access that?
[00:14] <bazhang> what version of kubuntu is this nejni-marji
[00:14] <nejni-marji> 17.10
[00:25] <sajattack> I'm having trouble verifying my email for ubuntu one
[00:25] <sajattack> getting a 404 on the verification link
[00:26] <rangemonger> i think ubuntu 1 is dead
[00:26] <rangemonger> they gave up on it
[00:26] <sajattack> then how am I supposed to login to launchpad
[00:26] <sajattack> wtf
[00:27] <rangemonger> i dunno much about that, im just fairly sure they stopped the u1 service
[00:27] <nowayy> is there a shortcut to resize window so that it takes up bottom right of screen?
[00:28] <rangemonger> nowayy: what desktop? kde?
[00:28] <rangemonger> gnome?
[00:28] <nowayy> gnome
[00:28] <rangemonger> crap i cant remember
[00:29] <takumi> hello
[00:29] <rangemonger> hi
[00:30] <takumi> I am takumi
[00:30] <rangemonger> oh nice, a recent update might have finally fixed the ubuntu store for installing debs
[00:30] <rangemonger> *gnome store
[00:30] <rangemonger> whatever its called
[00:37] <nowayy> is there a way to partition my screen to better utilize realestate. So for example, I can partition terminal with tmux. Is there a similiar utility but for entire screen. That way I can move windows around and snap them to their partition.
[00:37] <rangemonger> does anyone else have it where trying to run gedbi with a deb file never prompts for a password on 17.10?
[00:37] <nowayy> Ubuntu gnome
[00:37] <rangemonger> the newest gnome did something cool like that but i havent tried yet
[00:37] <rangemonger> kde has auto tiling
[00:37] <rangemonger> with a script
[00:38] <nowayy> ooh I need to find it
[00:38] <rangemonger> kde used to have it built in
[00:38] <rangemonger> but now it needs a script
[00:38] <rangemonger> not a big deal
[00:39] <nowayy> I've only used gnome
[00:39] <rangemonger> kde is by far the most customizable desktop
[00:39] <rangemonger> even vs windows
[00:40] <nowayy> is it easy to change desktop while keeping file structure intact?
[00:40] <nowayy> hierarchy*
[00:41] <rangemonger> yeah but it can get a bit messy if you install the whole kde meta package
[00:41] <rangemonger> youll have so many apps
[00:41] <rangemonger> ie, a text editor from gnome and one from kde
[00:45] <rangemonger> http://windowsiso.net/windows-7-iso/windows-7-download/ultimate-iso-7/
[00:45] <rangemonger> legit isos
[00:45] <rangemonger> if the torrents work
[00:45] <rangemonger> oops, wrong window, thats gonna be trouble for me
[00:46] <baba_> i saw nothing
[00:48] <ecormier> yeah, and a whois on that domain clearly shows it is not legit
[00:54] <mustmodify> We're moving ... I had to move my home-office temporarily to a place with no ethernet. I have a windows machine and an ubuntu machine. I was able to get a wifi dongle to get interwebz to the winblows machine. But no luck so far on the ubuntu device. I plugged in two different USB WIFI dongles and neither of them showed up on `lspci` -- so I'm currently trying to just use a switch to get the two machines talking, and maybe I can figure out how to share in
[00:54] <mustmodify> Is that a workable plan?
[00:59] <Budgii> rangemonger
[01:01] <baba_> he is cookin on the range :-)
[01:01] <Budgii> how do I get vbox out of full screen mode?
[01:01] <Budgii> lol
[01:01] <mustmodify> kill it.
[01:01] <ecormier> no
[01:02] <ecormier> there's a hotkey, one sec
[01:02] <mustmodify> well, that would work. :P
[01:02] <Budgii> I cant even get out of it
[01:02] <ecormier> Budgii: host+F
[01:03] <BillD73> host?
[01:03] <Budgii> ecormier is that the winkey?
[01:03] <ecormier> probably right ctrl
[01:03] <ecormier> not sure if I changed that or if it's default
[01:03] <Budgii> doesnt do anything
[01:03] <Budgii> idea.. what's the kill command for vbox
[01:04] <ecormier> host+q
[01:04] <Budgii> Im stuck in it
[01:05] <Budgii> ooo there is a hidden panel at the bottom, got it!
[01:05] <Budgii> does the free version only do a small square?
[01:05] <ecormier> alt+ctrl+f1 will take you to tty, then login and killall VBox
[01:05] <ecormier> that's easier
[01:05] <BillD73> quick google revealed host as right ctrl  so rt ctrl + f lol
[01:05] <ecormier> that's what I said
[01:06] <BillD73> ecormier: yeah lol
[01:07] <ecormier> and then I gave the brute force version of getting rid of it lol
[01:07] <Budgii> are settings not available in this sucker
[01:07] <Budgii> lol
[01:07] <Budgii> win10 on vbox is junk
[01:08] <ecormier> settings should be there....
[01:09] <frad> my computer crashed and now I dont have sound on my speakers. Headphones are all right though
[01:09] <Budgii> I should clarify the computer display settings
[01:09] <Budgii> I'm in win10 without a key ha
[01:09] <Budgii> says i have to install that setting. xD
[01:10] <Budgii> clicks aren't reliable either
[01:12] <ecormier> Budgii: always worked fine for me
[01:13] <ecormier> just need to install the additions
[01:13] <Budgii> ill try win update. the thing is so slow
[01:13] <Budgii> not going to even mess with it
[01:13] <Budgii> :p
[01:13] <Budgii> fun adventure.
[01:13] <frad> function keys to mute dont work
[01:13] <frad> help appreciated
[01:14] <ecormier> frad, open a terminal and run alsamixer
[01:14] <frad> ecormier, already did, and if I unplug the headphones, the bar showing the speakers' volume appears as 100% volume, but thereis no volume
[01:15] <frad> alsamixer recognizes automatically when I plug in the headphones, or off, but no sound
[01:15] <ecormier> when you press F5, and then F6 and select the first non 'default' option ...
[01:16] <ecormier> frad: and the speaker is not muted?
[01:16] <frad> no ecormier , not muted
[01:18] <ecormier> I'd go for a shutdown to completely off, count to ten, and then boot up... could be just a glitch with the hardware not shutting down correctly on a soft reboot
[01:18] <ecormier> but that's a guess
[01:18] <ecormier> s/soft reboot/crash/
[01:19] <frad> ecormier, so, no rebooting after a crash, or installation of a new kernel, but directly shutting down?
[01:19] <frad> ok
[01:19] <ecormier> completely powering off the hardware
[01:19] <frad> thanks,
[01:19] <frad> will do asaic
[01:19] <ecormier> don't thank me yet
[01:19] <frad> ...
[01:20] <ecormier> :)
[01:20] <ecormier> if it works, then thank me
[01:20] <frad> ok, you want me to do it now, to see if it works
[01:20] <frad> but im gonna have to save some files
[01:20] <ecormier> yep
[01:21] <frad> see you in about 5 to 10 minutes
[01:21] <ecormier> I've seen some soundcard quirks from time to time :)
[01:21] <frad> bb in 5 /10
[01:21] <ecormier> yep
[01:29] <guzzlefry> howdy, how do I know if my kernel is patched for Meltdown?
[01:31] <frad> ecormier, I thank thee...
[01:31] <ecormier> :) usually easier than fighting with it for 20 more minutes, yw
[01:32] <ecormier> guzzlefry: dmesg | grep iso
[01:34] <guzzlefry> ecormier: Assuming this is a yes? Kernel/User page tables isolation: enabled
[01:34] <ecormier> yep, you're good
[01:34] <hggdh> as good as possible right now
[01:34] <ecormier> well... exactly
[01:35] <ecormier> but better than not
[01:35] <guzzlefry> thank you
[01:35] <ecormier> yw
[02:00] <Jordan_U> nejni-marji: https://askubuntu.com/questions/838450/how-can-ubiquity-be-forced-not-to-install-grub , though I'm curious why you can't have Ubuntu install grub.
[02:02] <ecormier> maybe you already have grub from another distro and don't want ubuntu maintaining grub...
[02:02] <Dyrcona> I'm still having trouble with encrypted disks and lvm.
[02:03] <ecormier> Jordan_U: oh, I may have misunderstood your post... sorry
[02:03] <nejni-marji> I'm installing to a VM, but the VM is using my physical /dev/sda, and when it tried to install grub it failed and crashed
[02:03] <nejni-marji> that's why
[02:03] <Jordan_U> ecormier: No problem :)
[02:04] <Dyrcona> tomreyn: I reinstalled with full disk encryption on the main drive, and then tried adding an encrypted /home with lvm following these instructions: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#LVM_on_LUKS4
[02:04] <nejni-marji> so if i get it to skip grub, it should install fine and I should be able to rerun grub-mkconfig to detect the new OS, thereby installing a dualbooted distro without having extended downtime while everything sets up
[02:04] <Jordan_U> ecormier: Is the VM being given access to the whole drive or only one partition?
[02:04] <ecormier> wrong :)
[02:04] <nejni-marji> the entire drive
[02:04] <nejni-marji> I couldn't figure out how to give it just /dev/mapper/SSD-Kubuntu
[02:04] <Jordan_U> ecormier: :)
[02:05] <Wanderer-> I think sometime a while ago i tried something where i started a process to upgrade from 16.04 to 17 , how can i stop this process, because everytime i try to do an update it tries to do the system upgrade
[02:06] <Dyrcona> It all worked until I rebooted, and /home disappeared. It drops into single user mode and it looks like the lvm for sda1 is not there.
[02:06] <Jordan_U> nejni-marji: Then stop now and consider fixing that. Having two kernels try to mount the same filesystem could lead to corruption and data loss, and it sounds like you may sometimes be booted from a partition on the disk while also booting another partition on the same disk in the VM.
[02:06] <nejni-marji> That's true
[02:07] <nejni-marji> I figured as long as I don't deliberately mount an already mounted partition nothing should break, but it could happen by accident, and that would be ungood
[02:08] <Jordan_U> nejni-marji: Indeed. It's possible that what failed wasn't actually the grub-install, but the grub-mkconfig which searches for other OSs by mounting all filesystems it can find... (though read only, which greatly reduces but doesn't eliminate the risk).
[02:09] <Dyrcona> Oh! I think I fixed it.
[02:09] <nejni-marji> I got virtualbox to accept just the one partition
[02:10] <nejni-marji> so that's safer
[02:10] <Jordan_U> nejni-marji: (If os-prober uses grub-mount then there really is no risk, but having the fileystem change while mounted could have caused grub-mount / os-prober / grub-mkconfig to crash / error.
[02:11] <nejni-marji> oh, that's true
[02:11] <nejni-marji> unfortunately, I'm not sure how to stop every process on my computer from interacting with the filesystem
[02:11] <Dyrcona> For the logs, I had the wrong UUID in /etc/crypttab. I needed the UUID of the /dev/sda1 partition and not the sda1_crypt pv.
[02:12] <ecormier> nejni-marji: then common sense is don't even toy with that option.... that is a dangerous game
[02:12] <nejni-marji> yeah
[02:12] <nejni-marji> which is giving VirtualBox only the one LVM volume is better
[02:12] <Jordan_U> nejni-marji: I'm pretty sure that Virtualbox has an option for only presenting a single partition (while giving fake access to the rest of the disk / mbr).
[02:13] <nejni-marji> hmm, that would probably be a good idea for the future, if I ever needed it
[02:19] <nejni-marji> grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sda
[02:19] <nejni-marji> whoops
[02:19] <nejni-marji> I don't even remember how I installed grub
[02:20] <nejni-marji> Got it
[02:21] <fx250> I am trying to boot an instance of ubuntu 16.04 copied* onto a hard from a previous bootable installation of ubuntu 14.04.  The ubuntu 16.04 files are exact on the drive using rsync to mirror from an image, however, when booting up the updated filesystem environment (/boot/efi/* also are updated), I am put into a grub shell right away.  Do I need to rewrite grub to the boot partition or update the boot code and partition tables on the
[02:21] <fx250> disk?  They should be the exact same across all disks that I am working with, I think.
[02:22] <newdimension> I have a question about the scope of env variables. I want to set a variable for a Django project running in a python virtualenv. I just noticed that by putting EXPORT VAR1=VALUE1 in postactivate that this variable is set to all future shell instances. This wasn't my goal
[02:29] <Belial`> anyone with an intel gpu know if it's possible to switch back to the intel x.org driver instead of modesetting?
[02:32] <nejni-marji> so I booted into the Kubuntu installation and got these errors and the builtin shell https://i.imgur.com/cTRogy7.jpg
[02:33] <nejni-marji> There's no good reason I have to be doing this but I've gotten this far
[02:34] <Jordan_U> Belial`: No, it's not. User modesetting has been deprecated for years, and for good reason. You could switch to VESA with no accelleration if you're desparate. What problem are you having wih the intel driver?
[02:35] <nejni-marji> someone told me they think it's because the distro is looking for VM hardware but I gave it real hardware
[02:36] <Belial`> Jordan_U, isn't the modesetting driver the new one? i want to use the intel driver with sna accel.
[02:36] <Belial`> which performs a lot better in 2d according to benchmarks.
[02:36] <ecormier> nejni-marji: you installed it via vbox and now you're booting in natively?
[02:36] <nejni-marji> ecormier: yes.
[02:37] <ecormier> that sounds prone to failure
[02:37] <nejni-marji> yeah
[02:37] <nejni-marji> but I'm trying to make it work because why not
[02:37] <ecormier> so hardware details from the vm differ to the bare metal and it's tripping up the boot
[02:38] <ecormier> just install from a usb and be done with the pain and tears
[02:38] <Jordan_U> nejni-marji: Do you now have a partition which is being treated as a whole drive, i.e. you have a partition table within a partition?
[02:38] <nejni-marji> Jordan_U: I think so?
[02:38] <nejni-marji> When I set it up, it only knew about /dev/mapper/SSD-Kubuntu, and it called it /dev/sda inside the VM
[02:40] <Jordan_U> nejni-marji: Well, clearly grub can figure out such oddities but the rest of Ubuntu gets a little confused by that. Note that if you run "cat /proc/partitions" the partitions within your partition won't be listed.
[02:41] <nejni-marji> 20:12 <Jordan_U> nejni-marji: I'm pretty sure that Virtualbox has an option for only presenting a single partition (while giving fake access to the rest of the disk / mbr).
[02:41] <nejni-marji> Do you think that would help any?
[02:41] <Jordan_U> nejni-marji: Yes.
[02:42] <nejni-marji> Do you know what the option is called or where to look for it?
[02:52] <nejni-marji> well, it's not doable, because the vbox command involved doesn't work with LVM volumes
[02:52] <nejni-marji> if I had a physical partition, it would probably be just fine
[03:13] <ox1de> in need of tech support - when i boot my PC & laptop they both have the same problem - i get screen lit for 1 second and then screen is dark - although it seems the soft and hardware work ... how do i make my screen stay illuminated?
[03:28] <eraserpencil> hey guys, is there a way to troubleshoot settings>softwares & updates ?
[03:28] <eraserpencil> theres no window appearing after clicking it
[03:36] <ox1de> in need of tech support - when i boot my PC & laptop they both have the same problem - i get screen lit for 1 second and then screen is dark - although it seems the soft and hardware work ... how do i make my screen stay illuminated?
[03:36] <ox1de> if anyone can provide an answer to my problem - e-mail solution to oxide1984@gmail.com
[03:44] <ecormier> eraserpencil: you still there
[03:44] <eraserpencil> sup
[03:44] <ecormier> try running software-properties-gtk in a terminal and see what it spits out
[03:46] <ecormier> segfault?
[03:48] <Guddu> Can i create a additional partition from a existing one that has 30 GB free for installing Ubuntu (Dual Boot with Windows 10) ?
[03:49] <ecormier> Guddu: yep, read here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[03:49] <Guddu> Thanks ecormier
[03:49] <ecormier> pay attention to 'manual partitioning'
[03:49] <eraserpencil> https://ghostbin.com/paste/7b7d3
[03:51] <ecormier> eraserpencil: google gave me this, might help: https://askubuntu.com/questions/789966/software-updates-crashes-and-will-not-open
[03:51] <eraserpencil> ahh
[03:51] <Guddu> ecormier, So it will not delete the existing data right?
[03:51] <eraserpencil> i was reinstallgin software-properties and stuff and wondered why it didnt work
[03:51] <ecormier> dbus reinstall seems to do the trick
[03:52] <ecormier> Guddu: right, but things can still go wrong, like power outage, so be sure to back everytihng up first
[03:54] <eraserpencil> yea awesome
[03:54] <eraserpencil> thanks alot
[03:54] <ecormier> yw
[04:07] <starshine87> hey
[04:07] <starshine87> whats up everyone
[04:25] <Neo4> do thou know vi is good editor and shell I learn it?
[04:25] <Neo4> I'm  going to read book about it, have one for 2008 years 400 pages
[04:25] <Neo4> worth it to learn in 2017 years?
[04:26] <Neo4> what thou you think? :)
[04:26] <hggdh> Neo4: yes. vi (or vim, or neovim) are still good editors for UNIX in general
[04:26] <Neo4> I need thy opinion
[04:27] <Neo4> hggdh: and book for 2008 years is not out to date? I want read a few books about ubuntu
[04:27] <hggdh> Neo4: also you can use 'you' for thou (or thee).
[04:27] <Neo4> or linux
[04:27] <hggdh> Neo4: vi has not changed a lot in the last, say, 30 years
[04:28] <Neo4> hggdh: why? I see in book 'Caltic tales there use' thou, thee, thy, tis, I want to use it as well :)
[04:28] <hggdh> Neo4: this is mostly archaic for English
[04:29] <Neo4> hggdh: ok, and I've got as well two books 'postfix 2008 years' 'and Dovecot' also old, Do you think it also worse read?
[04:29] <hggdh> Neo4: for postfix and dovecot I cannot say anything, haven't used either for quite a long time
[04:31] <Neo4> hggdh: ok, Will learn vi and that will see, I think it won't redundant if I read those old book
[04:31] <hggdh> Neo4: it probably will help, even being 10+ years old. I doubt there have been extremely heavy changes
[04:32] <Neo4> hggdh: ok :)
[04:32] <Guest48477> hello every body
[04:32] <Neo4> Guest48477: hi
[04:33] <Guest48477> im from indonesia
[04:33] <Guest48477> nice to meet you all
[04:33] <Neo4> Guest48477: here thou are
[04:33] <Neo4> Guest48477: we too
[04:38] <koboi137> ?
[04:44] <fx250> I am trying to boot an instance of ubuntu 16.04 copied* onto a hard from a previous bootable installation of ubuntu 14.04.  The ubuntu 16.04 files are exact on the drive using rsync to mirror from an image, however, when booting up the updated filesystem environment (/boot/efi/* also are updated), I am put into a grub shell right away.  Do I need to rewrite grub to the boot partition or update the boot code and partition tables on the
[04:44] <fx250> disk?  They should be the exact same across all disks that I am working with, I think.
[04:49] <bangfoo> who
[04:51] <bangfoo> shout out... everybody ok?
[04:52] <Grorco> what?
[04:53] <Sveta> hi bangfoo, yes i'm ok thanks
[04:53] <bangfoo> excellent! once in a while you gotta see what is going on, right?
[04:54] <Grorco> I'm good considering I've been banging my head against a wall for a few days thanks to a botched upgrade in mate lol
[04:54] <bangfoo> so @Grorco, what happened?
[05:00] <Grorco> @bangfoo, started with trying the new 1.2 mate DE, quasi successfully. Something about it fixed 17.10 for me though while I was fixing my broken packages, or so I thought. After the actual upgrade I can't even set a background picture.
[05:01] <bangfoo> @Grorco ew, that does not sound like fun. Sorry for your troubles. Any thoughts on backup and reinstall as a last ditch solution?
[05:02] <Grorco> bangfoo, I made a new partition for my home folder(didn't have an external big enough) I'm 1 hour and 10 minutes out according to it, if it doesn't run out of space lol
[05:05] <Grorco> bangfoo, on my system it shows the two users at 22 gigs after I deleted some old stuff from my downloads. When copying it came up saying it was over 100gb :/ we'll see what happens
[05:13] <aky> Hello turds
[05:27] <LevierMRQ> Hi.  I got banished from Ubuntu-fr because of my connection problems.  I understand that.  So then excuse my english.  How i promise i will micro...  i mean to manage that so then it will
[05:28] <LevierMRQ> Im not (...) good in english.  Y'a-tu un francophone plz?
[05:29] <dax> LevierMRQ: try #ubuntu-fr-ops
[05:30] <LevierMRQ> dax: thx.  On it.
[05:35] <Moshe> Hi all. Question: I run 16.4 with Unity. Shortcut <Alt-Left Click> is used to move the window. I need this shortcut for a game. How can I "free" this shortcut? Thx
[05:37] <LevierMRQ> Thanks alot, dax.  That i was tring to explain...  i mean thanks, this is very helpfull, i mean nice.
[05:42] <fx250> When booting up a machine with Ubuntu 16.04 LTS I am presented with the GNU GRUB prompt right away. How can I check to see why the ubuntu linux menuentry isn't working?
[05:44] <Moshe> Repeating my uestion: I run 16.04 with Unity. Shortcut <Alt-Left Click> is used to move the window. I need this shortcut for a game. How can I "free" this shortcut? Thx
[05:46] <rangemonger> Moshe: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/keyboard-shortcuts-set.html
[05:46] <rangemonger> oh wait, unity... sorry
[05:46] <fx250> Moshe, not sure, just guessing from search results, try "Edit/Preferences in Keys tab of the preferences window"
[05:46] <fx250> from https://blogs.unity3d.com/2011/08/24/unity-hotkeys-keyboard-shortcuts-in-unity/
[05:47] <fx250> or https://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2015/08/08/how-to-disable-unity-hud-shortcut/
[05:51] <Moshe> fx250: Thank you. These are keyboard shortcuts. I don't see how to edit keyboard-mouse combination shortcuts
[05:51] <rangemonger> thats why unity is  a bit lacking imo
[05:52] <rangemonger> kde and xfce have gui items to change that stuff
[05:52] <rangemonger> gnome might too
[05:52] <rangemonger> gnome does, yeah
[05:52] <rangemonger> oh well, unity is about dead anyway
[05:52] <rangemonger> getting the gnome one on unity might do the trick
[05:57] <rangemonger> is anyone around that is adept and file association problems?
[05:58] <rangemonger> if i double click a deb to run gdebi, it comes up but it never prompts for password when hitting install, it just dies
[05:58] <rangemonger> if i use the commandline, it works fine
[05:58] <rangemonger> "gdebi-gtk debfile.deb"
[06:03] <Li> can anyone tell what's wrong with sound on ubuntu 16.04? skype and mplayer aren't functioning properly anymore! youtube(s) you can not play a second video while pausing a previous one!
[06:04] <Li> I've googled it and someone suggested removing and reinstalling pulseaudio which made things even worse.
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> !sound | Li
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> Li: check also sudo lshw -C sound to see if your card is recognized and driver= loaded?
[06:07] <phelix> So I am not sure what happened. My machine has been working just fine. All the sudden I reboot and I only get a black screen
[06:07] <phelix> I even tried to reinstall and once its done installing and goes to boot up. Only black screen
[06:08] <ATDT911> can anyone assit me with libinput-gestures on 16.04? Everything seems to be working correctly, except nothing happens when i pinch, etc.
[06:08] <rangemonger> phelix: id be running a hardware test at that point
[06:08] <phelix> Well, the ubuntu setup works just fine.
[06:08] <ATDT911> libinput-gestures -d shows the gestures being detected
[06:09] <phelix> you have any recommended hardware setup that I can  try and run?
[06:09] <phelix> if i add nomodeset in grub then I can get it to boot and see..
[06:10] <rangemonger> this isnt the cool open source answer but... https://www.passmark.com/support/burnintest/bit_create_selfboot.htm
[06:11] <rangemonger> oh yeah, that reminds me, how many vid ports are on your videocard?
[06:11] <phelix> This is a mining rig. I have 6 gpu's on it
[06:11] <rangemonger> i once was stumped for a long time until i found out linux didnt auto detect which port had a mon on it
[06:11] <fx250> Ah bummer!  I ran `update-grub` as root from a chrooted environment for Ubuntu 16.04 to try to fix GRUB boot loader to boot ubuntu, but it is still showing the GRUB prompt when I boot from disk
[06:12] <rangemonger> it didnt do clone mode by default
[06:12] <phelix> Everything is brand new. Just got it the other day. Been running fine for about 24 hours .. then all the sudden black screen
[06:12] <rangemonger> eventually i just switched to the other port and it was fine
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> !recovergrub | fx250
[06:12] <rangemonger> oh, it was working before?
[06:13] <rangemonger> on linux?
[06:13] <phelix> ya
[06:13] <phelix> was working just fine.. then randomly all the sudden black screen
[06:13] <rangemonger> yeah, im back to thinking its possibly a hardware prob
[06:13] <phelix> hmm.. Could it be the mother board you think?
[06:14] <rangemonger> suppose its possible
[06:14] <rangemonger> try to create a passmark burn in test win pe
[06:14] <Li> lotuspsychje: Being said it plays youtube and have skype calls (with bad quality) then it's recognized and driver loaded
[06:15] <Li> I've went through your link of DmixPlugin but it's not fixing it
[06:15] <rangemonger> man this makes no sense, if i set gdebi to run with terminal, it works fine
[06:15] <Li> still not playing video and sounds on mplayer
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> Li: did it play before?
[06:18] <Li> lotuspsychje: before and now BUT bad quality on skype and mplayer stopped playing files
[06:18] <Li> youtube I can not open two videos at the same time
[06:20] <fx250> lotuspsychje, Thanks, got it to boot ubuntu, but now it's stuck at ubuntu splash screen :(
[06:21] <fx250> I stepped away for few minutes, came back, still splash screen
[06:21] <fx250> booting from pcie ssd, so it should be quick
[06:22] <fx250> esc, alt+F7 shows [FAILED] Failed to start Remount Root and Kernel File Systems.  x_X
[06:22] <rangemonger> fx250: theres a way to see the verbose output from there, f12 maybe?
[06:24] <Neo4> why :ZZ doesn't work? instead I use :normal ZZ?
[06:24] <Neo4> who does thou know?
[06:26] <blue1> rangemonger: can you get terminal?  ctrl+lt+f1 ?  alt+f7 to return to gui.
[06:27] <blue1> alt+f7
[06:27] <rangemonger> blue1: any way to feed that key combo to virtualbox?
[06:28] <rangemonger> blue1: would appear to be hostkey+f1
[06:28] <rangemonger> but thats not the same tty
[06:28] <blue1> rangemonger: ahh I don't know -- I have not used vbox in years.
[06:28] <rangemonger> f1 is another one awaiting login
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> fx250: does press F1 show anything usefull as textboot?
[06:29] <blue1> rangemonger: is the system Linux based (vbox)?
[06:29] <rangemonger> blue1: well i got it but f1 is tty1, not the verbose output of tty7
[06:30] <rangemonger> blue1: vbox/xubuntu is hosted on win7
[06:30] <rangemonger> btw, this problems only on 17.10
[06:30] <rangemonger> it was fine for many ubuntus before this one
[06:31] <blue1> rangemonger: Ahh darn.  I was going to suggest a linux container - but you need native linux for that.  How about a dual boot option?
[06:31] <rangemonger> also, this is a fresh install, with nothing but updates packages
[06:31] <rangemonger> well i am planning to install get things going natively once i get this fixed
[06:31] <blue1> rangemonger: I have 1 computer that runs win 10.
[06:31] <blue1> rangemonger: sorry I can't help
[06:32] <rangemonger> its all good, thanks for trying
[06:32] <blue1> rangemonger: welcome
[06:32] <rangemonger> im guessing 18.04 will fix it
[06:32] <rangemonger> ive noticed a bunch of little things off on 17.10
[06:33] <rangemonger> mostly centered around how it handles elevation
[06:33] <rangemonger> for now i guess ill just stick to dpkg or launch gdebi with the terminal enabled
[06:33] <blue1> rangemonger: I am running 16.04 here.
[06:34] <rangemonger> thats what i get for wanting the latest/greatest
[06:34] <blue1> i am a little bit scared of the shift to wayland.  It's a step forward - but for canonical, it may be buggy.
[06:34] <rangemonger> i noticed that synaptic didnt launch in wayland
[06:35] <rangemonger> 18.04 is defaulting back to xorg
[06:35] <blue1> and I use xubuntu not gnome 3.  It is too keyboard centric -- and I have a repetitive stress injury
[06:35] <rangemonger> i mostly use xubuntu too
[06:35] <blue1> uh oh
[06:36] <rangemonger> i wonder if 17.04 works fine on cherry trail socs
[06:36] <blue1> dunno it is worth a try I suppose
[06:36] <rangemonger> im using a compute stick as server
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> rangemonger, blue1 keep it ubuntu related plz
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> feel free to use #ubuntu-discuss
[06:36] <blue1> lotuspsychje: thanks for the reminder -
[06:36] <rangemonger> lotuspsychje: not even xubuntu?
[06:36] <blue1> rangemonger: private message ok?
[06:36] <Li> thanks lotuspsychje
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> Li: got it solved?
[06:44] <phelix> if i log in via ssh. How can I kill lightdm for the desktop
[06:56] <linocisco> hi all
[06:56] <linocisco> Ubuntu command line prompt is longer when we navigate deeper down the nested folders or directories.
[06:58] <linocisco> But CentOS or Redhat based does not have such kind of annoying longer path before $
[06:58] <linocisco> how can we fix it or keep it simple
[06:58] <linocisco> ?
[06:58] <hateball> linocisco: Edit your bashrc the way you see fit
[06:58] <linocisco> hateball, any how to or visual guide?
[06:58] <vlt> linocisco: What happens on other systems instead? Can you show an example?
[07:00] <linocisco> vlt, on RedHat based system with longer path, these are shortened and only the last directory is shown before $
[07:00] <linocisco> vlt, But I have no Redhat or CentoS currently to show.
[07:00] <linocisco> hateball, it is complicated file content inside.How do I find ?
[07:07] <hateball> linocisco: it's the PS1 variable, if you dont want the pwd displayed, remove \w from it
[07:08] <hateball> be careful so you don't mess up .bashrc, that can give you headache...
[07:09] <fx250> https://pastebin.com/raw/LcmkEzUf Why does this rsync command miss updating files that clearly have different times on source and destination?  e.g. source /bin/bash is -rwxr-xr-x+ 1 root root 1037528 May 16  2017 /bin/bash        and dest /bin/bash is -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 858384 Oct 29 19:19 /bin/bash
[07:09] <hateball> linocisco: I guess you can use \W instead of \w to not show full path
[07:12] <linocisco> hateball, thanks . I just found https://askubuntu.com/questions/145618/how-can-i-shorten-my-command-line-bash-prompt
[07:15] <hateball> linocisco: :)
[07:20] <anurodh> can i increase swap value
[07:23] <anurodh>  can i increase swap value ?
[07:25] <rangemonger> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-space-on-ubuntu-16-04
[07:45] <Neo4> anurodh: I used this instruction https://support.rackspace.com/how-to/create-a-linux-swap-file/
[07:46] <Neo4> anurodh: it's for server, there swap is file
[07:47] <anurodh> thanks rangemonger
[07:47] <rangemonger> np, did it work?
[07:48] <anurodh> rangemonger : yes
[07:48] <rangemonger> great
[08:12] <linurandy> hello to everyone i need help with a encrypted swap partition.
[08:13] <linurandy> helloooooo
[08:14] <linurandy> empty???????
[08:17] <linurandy> hello to everyone i need help with a encrypted swap partition.
[08:31] <pinPoint> I'm getting this error when I try to install libglib2.0-dev in 16.04 its. libglib2.0-dev : Depends: libpcre3-dev (>= 1:8.31) but it is not going to be installed
[08:31] <pinPoint> What could be the problem?
[08:34] <Borw3> pinPoint: You have an older libpcre3-dev probably.
[08:35] <pinPoint> Borw3: and to fix that problem?
[08:35] <Borw3> pinPoint: Remove the old version, install that new one, and probably it will work, but watch out, maybe some packages depending on old version will stop working or get removed in the process
[08:37] <pinPoint> Borw3: :(
[08:37] <pinPoint> This is because of an upgrade fro 14.04 to 16.04...
[08:37] <pinPoint> from*
[08:37] <Borw3> pinPoint: Did you try updating your system lately?
[08:38] <pinPoint> Borw3: right now it says computer is up to date.
[08:39] <Borw3> pinPoint: LOL.... probably do some research on what depends on libpcre3-dev and see if it's anything of meaning, if not, remove old version and install the new one..
[08:39] <Borw3> NOTE: you might currently be having libpcre2-dev
[08:58] <linurandy> hello to everyone i need help with a encrypted swap partition.
[09:11] <linurandy> hello to everyone i need help with a encrypted swap partition.
[09:11] <gelswip> whats wrong with it?
[09:12] <bazhang> https://askubuntu.com/questions/934822/encrypting-swap-on-16-04-lts-with-ecryptfs-setup-swap linurandy
[09:13] <linurandy> Service Unavailable said me
[09:13] <linurandy> i'm gonna read it, thanks
[09:16] <linurandy> bazhang: i've the same answer But I don't have a swap file, I use a swap partition
[09:17] <ducasse> linurandy: you can treat them just the same, there's no real difference
[09:30] <dboneham> clear
[09:43] <razromanager> can i pls get some help reguarding desktop enviroments?
[09:44] <bazhang> what's the issue razromanager
[09:52] <razromanager>  bazhang: i have ubuntu gnome installed, then i decided i didn't like gnome, i installed unity then select unity as my desktop enviroment in the menu but it's still gnome, any help?
[09:53] <CodexRaptr> u try it root user ?
[09:53] <XXCoder> razromanager: gnome is default if something didnt go right?
[09:53] <bazhang> razromanager, you installed gnome-shell, then selected it after logout
[09:54] <bazhang> CodexRaptr, we dont enable the root here
[09:54] <CodexRaptr> okk
[09:54] <razromanager> bazhang, xxcoder: nah, i have gnome-shell and i want to use unity instead, i select it in the menu but it still logs into gnome
[09:55] <CodexRaptr> what u install for unity ?
[09:56] <razromanager> codexraptr: in ubuntu gnome, yea
[09:57] <CodexRaptr> u try with superuser might work !!!!!
[09:57] <razromanager> codexraptr:
[09:57] <bazhang> CodexRaptr, please dont suggest that here
[09:57] <razromanager> codexraptr: yea
[09:57] <CodexRaptr> okk
[09:58] <razromanager> codexraptr: any solutions that don't involve sudoing?
[10:00] <razromanager> any solutions that don't involve sudoing?
[10:01] <CodexRaptr> i never tried !!!
[10:01] <razromanager> codexraptr: tried what?
[10:01] <CodexRaptr> unity !
[10:01] <razromanager> codexraptr: pretty sure every linux user did ;)
[10:04] <CodexRaptr> okk !
[10:06] <razromanager> codexraptr: any solutions?
[10:14] <CodexRaptr> u add ppa repo
[10:14] <CodexRaptr> ?
[10:14] <razromanager> codexraptr: with that bad grammar i don't know what you saying mate
[10:16] <XXCoder> its not bad grammar its text talk
[10:17] <razromanager> umm
[10:17] <razromanager> anyways can i report a problem?
[10:17] <XXCoder> if it dont switch it means youre missing something that unity requires
[10:17] <XXCoder> gnome is default when it fails
[10:18] <bazhang> !bugs | razromanager
[10:18] <XXCoder> I recall something about unity needing gl or something in order to work?
[10:18] <razromanager> xxcoder: then what am i missing
[10:18] <razromanager> ubottu: just realized it's not a bug
[10:18] <XXCoder> I never used unity so dunno
[10:18] <razromanager> lmao
[10:18] <razromanager> xxcoder: k then
[10:18] <Triffid_Hunter> razromanager: I've never tried unity :P prefer xfce or kde myself
[10:19] <razromanager> triffid_hunder: well unity is like mac and i migrated from mac to ubuntu so
[10:19] <Triffid_Hunter> razromanager: sure, there's lots because everyone likes different ones.. don't have that on mac :P
[10:20] <razromanager> triffid_hunter: indeed mac's desktop enviroment is the dock so
[10:20] <Triffid_Hunter> kde is great for windows converts.. I don't use it for that reason though, I use it because it lets me change all the things I want to change
[10:21] <razromanager> kde is also great, also how do i install kde in ubuntu?
[10:22] <Triffid_Hunter> razromanager: on my gf's rig I just grabbed the mint/kde iso and went from there.. easier than trying to change it over post-install
[10:22] <gpk> There seems to be stuff missing for zesty on archive.ubuntu.com
[10:22] <bazhang> razromanager, kubuntu-desktop package
[10:22] <razromanager> bazhang: thank you
[10:23] <gpk> I'm getting 404 erros
[10:23] <razromanager> bazhang: so its sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop i guess
[10:23] <bazhang> gpk, it's end of life
[10:24] <bazhang> gpk, let me give you a link for end of life upgrades
[10:24] <razromanager> my computer is burning at the moment
[10:24] <bazhang> razromanager, can we not use this channel as the chatter channel please
[10:24] <gpk> Oh, I see, didn't expect 17.04 to go so soon
[10:24] <razromanager>  bazhang: umm i don't really understand what you just said os
[10:24] <razromanager> so*
[10:25] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | gpk
[10:25] <bazhang> razromanager, install the package kubuntu-desktop
[10:25] <razromanager> k then
[10:25] <razromanager> i'm waiting for unity to install so i can install kde
[10:25] <gpk> bazhang: thanks
[10:26] <bazhang> gpk,  the non-lts are 9 months support
[10:26] <razromanager> it's done
[10:26] <razromanager> so rip 17.04 then
[10:26] <kille> hey guys. best video player for ubuntun iyo?
[10:27] <razromanager> bazhang: terminal says kubuntu-desktop doesn't exist
[10:27] <Triffid_Hunter> kille: I like mpv
[10:27] <kille> Triffd_Hunter tx dude
[10:28] <razromanager> still on gnome, humm...
[10:28] <bazhang> razromanager, what version of ubuntu are you now on
[10:28] <kille> Triffid_Hunter does it support pip?
[10:29] <Industrial> Hi.
[10:29] <razromanager> bazhang: i'm not in ubuntu, i'm in zorin os which is based on 16.04 so it technically has same specs
[10:29] <Industrial> Whenever I start CHrome browser I get a popup about some keyring
[10:29] <Triffid_Hunter> kille: you want to play two videos at the same time? no idea, never tried
[10:29] <bazhang> razromanager, this is not zorin support
[10:29] <Industrial> i do NOT EVER want to save any passowrds in any password database
[10:29] <Industrial> How do I get rid of this shit
[10:29] <Industrial> plus an nnoying popup every time I boot up
[10:29] <bazhang> razromanager, find their channel for support as we dont support it here
[10:29] <razromanager> bazhang: i know but it's technically the same os
[10:29] <Industrial> How do I completely kill and remove the ubuntu password managing things?
[10:30] <kille> Triffid: Tx man, will give it a go. Looks nice n lean.
[10:30] <bazhang> razromanager, it's not supported here
[10:30] <Triffid_Hunter> kille: yeah that's why I like it.. lean, mostly hotkey-based interface, and plays almost everything
[10:30] <razromanager> industrial: you have to delete the keyring at /home/(your username here)/.local/shared/gnome/keyrings/
[10:30] <razromanager> see if i got the path right
[10:30] <razromanager> bazhang: i just dual boot zorin and ubuntu
[10:30] <kille> Industrial: Do you mean that report issue popup? I also get that. And I'm on LTS 16.04 It sucks.
[10:31] <razromanager> bazhang: i am indeed in ubuntu at the moment
[10:31] <Industrial> kille: no the enter your password to unlock
[10:31] <Industrial> I didnt lock anything!
[10:31] <Industrial> I never wanted this shit
[10:31] <kille> Oh. Keyring. :)
[10:31] <Industrial> I even have it on auto login to my desktop
[10:31] <razromanager> industrial: delete the keyring
[10:31] <razromanager> industrial: keyring is in /home/(username here)/.local/shared/gnome/keyrings
[10:32] <razromanager> if you use gnome
[10:34] <ra21vi> hi
[10:34] <razromanager> ra21vi: sup ravi
[10:34] <ra21vi> is there any way to control fan in laptop :)
[10:34] <razromanager> ra21vi: which laptop do you have?
[10:35] <razromanager> ra21vi: does your laptop utilizes the uefi-bios thing¿
[10:35] <razromanager> ?
[10:35] <Triffid_Hunter> ra21vi: depends on fan controller chip, see what sensors-detect digs up
[10:36] <razromanager> ra21vi: or if you have an asus computer you have to control it through the uefi-bios
[10:39] <andrea_> ciao
[10:43] <sallu> anyone from ubuntu group
[10:44] <sallu> screen flicker when i use windows but is it the same in ubuntu
[10:45] <bazhang> sallu, do you have ubuntu installed
[10:45] <sallu> no
[10:45] <Sveta> its hardware related. could ask ##hardware.
[10:45] <sallu> bazhang, but in high dpi laptop i see these screen flickering issues
[10:45] <sallu> like i use dell xps
[10:46] <bazhang> sallu, so you are asking 'if you install it'
[10:46] <bazhang> sallu, would you mind telling us about your system ram, and video card
[10:47] <sallu> ok i tell you
[10:47] <sallu> bazhang, its 8 gb , core i7 , 6th generation laptop ,
[10:48] <sallu> with up to 3200 resolution supported
[10:48] <bazhang> sallu, is that an amd gpu intel or nvidia
[10:51] <bazhang> sallu, you might try a usb 'live' not install and test it
[10:51] <sallu> bazhang, big issue is i cannot try
[10:51] <bazhang> sallu, why not
[10:52] <sallu> bazhang, may be due to ssd raid issue
[10:52] <sallu> bazhang, i am using ssd of 256Gb , and its drivers issue
[10:52] <bazhang> sallu,  a live usb does nothing to your system
[10:54] <sallu> bazhang, may be my system will not detect it ,
[10:54] <sallu> i forgot i choose raid issue of firmware
[10:54] <sallu> ok i see you later
[10:54] <sallu> bazhang, i will chat later , got to go
[11:15] <dboneham> q
[11:31] <vpeter> Hi, I have one problem with samba share mounted on Windows 10. When file is changed on a share on Ubuntu side changes are not visible on Windows for some time. What can be a reason? SMB protocol changes or what? More important how to fix this issue.
[11:34] <john_rambo> I am going to install WIN 10 with Ubuntu already installed ... How will I recover Ubuntu ? By running boot repair?
[11:35] <ducasse> !fixgrub | john_rambo
[11:40] <nikolam> I am on Xubuntu 17.10 , updated, and when running 'gufw' and after creatin Firewall rule from preconfigured one, I can't edit it further, e.g. I can not press 'Apply' after editing rule. Can anyone else reproduce this?
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:54] <kokoye2007> hi
[11:59] <BillD73> vpeter: "F5" on Windows end?
[12:00] <CodexRaptr> Hi
[12:08] <vpeter> BillD73: Doesn't help.
[12:16] <Tadassssss> Hey #ubuntu, I installed LAMP from digitalocean and I cannot connect to my mysql remotely from my pc, I get 2003 error Connection Timed Out, any ideas what could cause that? I tried everything what google offered, from setting bind ip, to allowing remote connections via mysql.conf file, but nothing helps
[12:26] <NET||abuse> hey guys, i've an old tenvis ipcamera at home and i want to view it on my ubuntu 17.10 install, but it wants me to use vlc-plugin, which ... no..
[12:26] <NET||abuse> at least i dont want to install muck browser plugins unless i have to.
[12:28] <kostkon> NET||abuse, use vlc itself then?
[12:47] <joshter> hello old fellas
[12:49] <killown> can I install ubuntu in a 15gb partition?
[12:51] <Borw3> killown: Yes
[12:56] <mathunter> hi
[13:09] <BillD73> vpeter: not really sure its an ubuntu issue  I no longer have the means to test windows to linux interactions
[13:14] <vpeter> BillD73: I know it could be also Windows issue. I'm just looking for a solution :) Also not really sure when this happen. I think few months back it was ok.
[13:16] <BillD73> vpeter: do any updates on ubuntu/samba? Sadly i still use it as well. had a NTFS setup at one point then upgraded ubuntu and never set it back up  definitely was much smoother on the network side
[13:18] <`ajven> hello when I want to build my own .iso with ubuntu I am using command " /build.sh --distribution light --variant lxde --arch amd64 --verbose" but I am taking error "chroot: failed to run command ‘/usr/bin/env’: No such file or directory" any idea what is wrong ??
[13:22] <kille> hey guys. bit of an irc noob here. listed channels for *linux*unity*gamedevelopment and got a crap ton of stuff. any good channels anyone can recommend?
[13:22] <ikonia> kille: try asking in #freenode for how to get better channels
[13:23] <ikonia> kille: this channel is for ubuntu support only
[13:23] <kille> ok thanks
[13:23] <ssarah> i just join the ones i use. but i don't pay attention to all of them
[13:23] <`ajven> so you can support me ;-)
[13:23] <ikonia> support you with what ?
[13:25] <`ajven> nobody know :( ?
[13:26] <ikonia> know what
[13:27] <ssarah> `ajven, i never built ubuntu, but by your description... can't you just use lubuntu?
[13:27] <ssarah> it's ubuntu + lxde
[13:28] <`ajven> ssarah, i need bootable iso with some packge is not to install it just to use as livecd ;)
[13:30] <ssarah> `ajven, if you can install lubuntu in a pen, you can allocate some space to then permanently install packages on it. but if you really need a cd, then i guess you need to build it
[13:33] <`ajven> yes b ut i need iso to boot it on server from ESX :p
[13:35] <greedy_eti> hi
[13:36] <greedy_eti> via
[13:36] <`ajven> hello when I want to build my own .iso with I am using command " /build.sh --distribution light --variant lxde --arch amd64 --verbose" but I am taking error "chroot: failed to run command ‘/usr/bin/env’: No such file or directory" any idea what is wrong ??
[13:37] <Toba> `ajven: what OS is the computer running, that you running that ./build.sh on
[13:37] <`ajven> Toba: is ubuntu
[13:38] <`ajven> oh not sorry is kali linux damn
[13:38] <Toba> I've never run build.sh to create an ubuntu iso, but I imagine it runs best on ubuntu
[13:39] <`ajven> so what did you run ?
[13:40] <akik> `ajven: from which package is build.sh from?
[13:40] <Toba> I haven't done what you're doing. I only heard of build.sh from you.
[13:40] <ducasse> !kali | akik
[13:41] <akik> build.sh from kali linux builds a ubuntu iso?
[13:48] <cart_man> Hi all.. how can I open up a port in Ubuntu Mate ?
[13:49] <pedrocr> is there a way to increase mouse speed beyond what the settings allow?
[13:49] <pedrocr> my trackpoint is way too slow and I've tried udev rules but they seem to cause the trackpoint to be disabled after suspend sometimes
[13:50] <tcorneli> hi, i'm on 16.04 and i'm trying to add a generic tld to dnsmasq. ubuntu is stubbornly refusing to pick up my tld. i followed this guide: https://gist.github.com/magnetikonline/6236150 and this guide: https://gist.github.com/marek-saji/6808114
[13:51] <metastable> Your configuration would also help.
[13:57] <Guest0> Hi Guys, after I played a little bit with gpg I can't update my system, because it can't find a public key. I tried to "solve" this problem by uninstalling gpg, wich left me with a non updatable system. Does anyone of you have an idea how to solve this?
[13:58] <oerheks> Guest0, time to reinstall :-)
[13:58] <metastable> Guest0: I would probably try to find the dpkg for the version of gpg that you removed on one of the package mirrors, and try to manually install it.
[13:59] <ikonia> thats not going to work is it
[13:59] <ikonia> the repos are gpg signed, so removing gpg means you can't use the repos
[14:00] <metastable> Blah. Find the .deb, and manually install it with dpkg. I need more coffee.
[14:01] <Guest0> Alright I'll try that. Thanks for your time :)
[14:01] <oerheks> metastable, and what does dpkg need to install ..?
[14:01] <oerheks> good lesson what happens when you messed up gpg
[14:02] <metastable> I'm assuming that you can tell dpkg not to perform crypto verification.
[14:02] <metastable> This being a horrible idea, I've never tried.
[14:02] <metastable> --no-debsig I think.
[14:06] <tcorneli> https://paste.ubuntu.com/=DSC5jTBQcK/
[14:10] <metastable> While it's not important in this instance, why would you mask a MAC address?
[14:12] <tcorneli> because i(m not savvy enough to know if it's sensitive information
[14:14] <james_brown> Hi guys! I suspect my pc was infected by a malware: at first the computer would open up the directory I wanted to open multiple times (like 10 or so) and the mouse was being quite unresponsive, so I rebooted.  Now a hard drive icon has appeared on the launcher, I clicked it and I see it is called "disk"  and it contains many directories: bin,  etc, lib, meta, sbin,  snap, usr,  var and the text files command-chromium.wrapper and
[14:14] <oerheks> tcorneli, that is fine, set it to XXX.XXX.XXX etc  so we don't assume you used 00:00:00:00:00:00
[14:14] <james_brown> Now chromium does not open unless ran on the console and only after sending the error messages: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" [3740:3740:0212/160742.638687:ERROR:desktop_window_tree_host_x11.cc(1878)] Not implemented reached in void views::DesktopWindowTreeHostX11::MapWindow(ui::WindowShowState) ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enabl
[14:14] <metastable> It's a MAC address. It's not sensitive. The most we can tell from that is who made the NIC.
[14:15] <leftyfb> james_brown: did you purposely install malware on your pc?
[14:15] <james_brown> I don't have a disk or usbs connected to the pc
[14:15] <james_brown> leftyfb: why would I?
[14:16] <leftyfb> james_brown: because otherwise it's highly unlikely you have malware
[14:16] <james_brown> leftyfb: then what could it be?
[14:16] <james_brown> leftyfb: I would like to understand what causes this behavior and how i can fix it
[14:17] <leftyfb> james_brown: the first thing I would check is a dying hard drive
[14:17] <pavlos> tcorneli: FYI: a MAC address uniquely identifies the device (net card, phone, router) ...
[14:17] <james_brown> leftyfb: It's a laptop so I only have one hard drive.  If it were dying then all the files should be messed up, am I correct?
[14:17] <leftyfb> james_brown: you would not be correct
[14:18] <james_brown> leftyfb: ok
[14:18] <leftyfb> james_brown: dying hard drives manifest in an almost infinite number of symptoms
[14:18] <james_brown> leftyfb: I just noticed the drive's path is /media/james/disk
[14:19] <leftyfb> james_brown: this "disk" is more than likely your own hard drive remounted for some reason
[14:19] <leftyfb> by remounted, I mean bind mounted
[14:19] <james_brown> leftyfb: then why does it contain solely chromium-related files?
[14:20] <leftyfb> not sure, I don't use chromium o I don't know what it does as far as storing temporary files
[14:20] <leftyfb> james_brown: the rest of the files you listed sound like a typical linux file structure
[14:21] <akik> james_brown: what's the content of command-chromium.wrapper ?
[14:22] <james_brown> leftyfb: I just clicked by mistake on the little arrow next to the "disk" folder in the file explorer (eject icon I suppose) and it sent a message "safe to remove the hardrive" and it disappeared
[14:22] <james_brown> leftyfb: I cannot find the folder in its path anymore
[14:22] <james_brown> leftyfb: it behaved like a flashdrive
[14:23] <leftyfb> or any mounted media including a drive/partition
[14:23] <james_brown> leftyfb: do you still think a dying hard drive is what might be causing this?
[14:23] <leftyfb> james_brown: I don't know. You've done zero troubleshooting to rule anything out
[14:24] <james_brown> leftyfb: how do I troubleshoot a case like this?
[14:25] <leftyfb> james_brown: look in /var/log/syslog or dmesg for disk/drive/ATA/IO errors. Use the disk util to run a SMART test (with a live cd).
[14:28] <james_brown> leftyfb: this seems related ---> Feb 12 16:20:12 James-Linux udisksd[2049]: Cleaning up mount point /media/james/disk (device 7:3 is not mounted) Feb 12 16:20:12 James-Linux udisksd[2049]: Unmounted /dev/loop3 on behalf of uid 1000
[14:28] <james_brown> leftyfb: and there's other stuff related to Gtk
[14:28] <leftyfb> james_brown: that sort of touches on the fact that your drive was bind mounted, but says nothing about the health of your drive
[14:28] <james_brown> leftyfb: which is something that has to do with the error message on the console
[14:29] <leftyfb> james_brown: Until we determine if your drive is healthy or not, ignore gtk anything. You are only looking for possible drive errors.
[14:29] <metastable> gtk spits out errors -constantly-.
[14:29] <leftyfb> james_brown: also, please use pastebin for anything more than single line outputs
[14:30] <ChiLLabiS> Ubuntu all day everyday
[14:30] <james_brown> leftyfb: ok, will do
[14:30] <SoggyDingus> Is anyone else experiencing screen tearing on 17.10
[14:30] <SoggyDingus> amd/intel
[14:30] <ChiLLabiS> Am i the only one that likes Unity?
[14:30] <SoggyDingus> no
[14:31] <james_brown> leftyfb: I'm gonna quickly look for what bind mounting means, then I will proceed with looking for drive erros in the logs
[14:35] <ChiLLabiS> So the latest Ubuntu that comes out will not have Unity?
[14:36] <james_brown> leftyfb: I understood that bind mount replicates a directory and all containing files and subdirectories, so whats the difference between a bind mount and a link?
[14:37] <leftyfb> james_brown: in this case, I'm referring to bind mounting as just your drive being mounted again in a different location
[14:37] <leftyfb> there's no "replication" or linking going on
[14:39] <akik> james_brown: what's the content of command-chromium.wrapper ?
[14:40] <james_brown> akik: sorry but I cannot access that file anymore
[14:40] <bijan_> Hi. I'm about to setup a linux desktop pc. I am currently considering ubuntu and debian. Will I be able to update ubuntu 17.10 to 18.04lts as soon as it is released?
[14:40] <leftyfb> bijan_: give or take some hours, yes
[14:40] <james_brown> leftyfb: nonetheless, I would like to understand the difference between them
[14:40] <bijan_> also I read that google moves from ubuntu to debain for their desktops... why is that?
[14:41] <iAmSlow> how do i change defoult torrent app
[14:41] <bijan_> leftyfb some hours?
[14:41] <leftyfb> james_brown: Are you here to troubleshoot possible issues with your pc or to learn the difference between bind mounting and sym/hard linking files?
[14:41] <iAmSlow> i installed web-torrent and now it opens it all time insted transsmision
[14:41] <bijan_> leftyfb isn't the install process some kind of automatic?
[14:41] <leftyfb> bijan_: we aren't google. Nobody here can/will answer that
[14:42] <bijan_> I do not want to edit manually a thousand lines and update packages piece by piece :D
[14:42] <kostkon> bijan_, "some hours" after the official release of 18.04
[14:42] <bijan_> ahhh ;D
[14:42] <leftyfb> bijan_: yes, but there's a lot of activity that goes on the day it's released and not everyone gets prompted to update the minute it's released. Same with any other OS.
[14:42] <ilfpott> hello
[14:42] <ilfpott> how do I fix broken dependency?
[14:42] <bijan_> Ah okay... :D
[14:43] <ilfpott> okay ?
[14:43] <james_brown> leftyfb: both.  I tried to look for an answer on google but it's too cryptic for me (english is not my main language) so I thought maybe someone could ELI5
[14:43] <ilfpott> My deps broke like hell
[14:43] <leftyfb> ilfpott: start by pastebin'ing the output of the error(s) you're running into
[14:43] <ilfpott> and I don't even know how
[14:43] <kostkon> !paste | ilfpott
[14:43] <ilfpott> just need the regular solution to the problem
[14:43] <leftyfb> james_brown: did you at some point install chromium using snap?
[14:43] <ilfpott> nope
[14:43] <leftyfb> ilfpott: my previous post wasn't for you
[14:43] <leftyfb> ilfpott: start by pastebin'ing the output of the error(s) you're running into
[14:44] <ilfpott> What's the general way to fix broken deps?
[14:44] <ilfpott> no paste, what's the solution
[14:44] <leftyfb> ilfpott: in general, we look at error messages and determine what's wrong to come up with the correct solution
[14:44] <james_brown> leftyfb: It was installed using snap
[14:45] <leftyfb> james_brown: try removing it, rebooting and see if you run into the same issues
[14:46] <james_brown> leftyfb: before I do that is there anything I can do to try and understand why this happened in the first place?
[14:48] <leftyfb> james_brown: not until we determine what is wrong
[14:48] <leftyfb> james_brown: right now, we know absolutely nothing
[14:49] <james_brown> leftyfb: i think i found something interesting (for me at least :D) in the logs ----> https://pastebin.com/9Lf16UBt
[14:49] <james_brown> leftyfb: Feb 12 16:02:29 James-Linux udisksd[2049]: Mounted /dev/loop3 at /media/james/disk on behalf of uid 1000
[14:50] <james_brown> leftyfb: so /dev/loop3 was mounted by uid 1000
[14:50] <leftyfb> james_brown: Did you try removing the chromium snap yet?
[14:51] <james_brown> leftyfb: not yet, I thought the log could add useful info
[14:52] <james_brown> leftyfb: is any of it useful?
[14:52] <joshter> hi, could someone able to help regarding browser concerns via touchscreen
[14:52] <leftyfb> james_brown: only mildly. It'll be more helpful to follow through with removing the chromium snap as requested
[14:53] <james_brown> leftyfb: ok
[14:53] <vlt> Hello. How can I let `[ -e /some/node ]` return true also if /some/node is a symlink?
[14:54] <joshter> does anyone experienced firefox or chrome is unable to drag or resize via touchscreen
[14:55] <metastable> vlt: -e does return true if the file is a symlink.
[14:55] <james_brown_> leftyfb: done
[14:56] <leftyfb> james_brown_: reboot. See if you have the same issues
[14:56] <vlt> metastable: Hmmm, it doesn’t for me.
[14:57] <vlt> metastable: Seems like I do have to use `[ -e /some/node -o -L /some/node ]`. Or is there a shorter version?
[14:58] <joshter> does anyone experienced firefox or chrome is unable to drag or resize via touchscreen? the upper portion of the browsers aint responding via touchscreen however, via touchpad / mouse, its pretty well
[14:58] <metastable> vlt: https://paste.ubuntu.com/=sdRXRrb8sY/
[14:58] <vlt> metastable: `[ -e /some/existing/symlink ]` works, though.
[14:59] <metastable> Are you talking about a symlink that doesn't yet point to a file?
[14:59] <vlt> “existing” means here that the symlnk’s target exists.
[14:59] <vlt> metastable: Yes.
[14:59] <metastable> vlt: OH. -h
[15:01] <metastable> vlt: https://paste.ubuntu.com/=5nmrwsCB6D/
[15:01] <vlt> metastable: Yes, “-h” and “-L” are synonymous according to `man [` but don’t work for file files. I’ll or both expressions.
[15:01] <metastable> Oh, so you want it to return true if it's a symlink (even a hanging one), OR a regular file.
[15:01] <Pinkamena_D> Has anyone been able to find a way to get the screenshot program from ubuntu unity into 17.10?
[15:01] <metastable> Yeah, there's no single conditional for that.
[15:02] <vlt> metastable: Ok, thank you very much :-)
[15:03] <vlt> Is “hanging symlink” the common name?
[15:03] <brainwash> Pinkamena_D: you have to start the Xorg session instead of the wayland one
[15:03] <brainwash> Pinkamena_D: if you want to use this type of program
[15:03] <metastable> vlt: I think?
[15:04] <Pinkamena_D> brainwash: it seems that all that is really missing is the 'screenshot current window' function
[15:04] <Pinkamena_D> the region and full desktop captures are still tehre
[15:05] <vlt> metastable: Thanks.
[15:08] <quantzbeatz> EriC^^: you up?
[15:09] <dedondesta> how do i fix that:
[15:09] <dedondesta> sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/gcc gcc /usr/bin/gcc-6 20 --slave /usr/bin/g++ g++ /usr/bin/g++-6
[15:09] <dedondesta> update-alternatives: error: alternative g++ can't be slave of gcc: it is a master alternative
[15:09] <dedondesta> couldn't find that error on google
[15:11] <strk> how to solve "NO_PUBKEY 60EE47FBAD3DD469" ? ( I keep forgetting )
[15:12] <strk> it's about PPA apt repos install...
[15:12] <lordcirth_work> strk, are you using add-apt-repository, or manually?
[15:13] <strk> gpg --search-key 60EE47FBAD3DD469 # seems to help ( manually )
[15:13] <strk> so gpg --search-key can find it, but if done as user it isn't found by root (or something along those lines)
[15:14] <strk> lordcirth_work: so, what's the manual way ?
[15:14] <nemo> my last set of updates on my ubuntu 14.04 LTS dev/server here have triggered a bunch of apparmor errors about merged modifiers with conflicting rules
[15:14] <nemo> since I've never touched apparmor config, I was wondering if anyone could advice me just how best to purge it clean, it should just use whatever's in the package...
[15:15] <nemo> profile has merged rule with conflicting x modifiers ERROR processing regexs for profile sanitized_helper, failed to load Skipping profile in /etc/apparmor.d/disable: usr.bin.firefox
[15:15] <lordcirth_work> strk, you download it with gpg and import to apt-key.  But I'd recommend using add-apt-repository instead
[15:15] <nemo> ↑ (that bit of text there being some samples from the rather noisy init script error)
[15:16] <nemo> s/advice/advise/
[15:16]  * strk found: gpg --export --armor  60EE47FBAD3DD469 | sudo apt-key add -
[15:16] <strk> I guess --armor wasn't needed
[15:17] <akik> strk: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 60EE47FBAD3DD469 (maybe)
[15:20] <ra21vi> hi, my dell 7559 with Ubutnu 16.04 keeps restarting, i suspect cpu temp issue.. the fans are stopped and does run for like 5-6 secs  then again goes complete off... how can I make fan run at least with some minimal speed so cpu temp does not go off the limit
[15:20] <ra21vi> if I disconnect anytime, maybe my system restarted again..
[15:20] <oerheks> strk,  if that is the key from nextcloud client, https://launchpad.net/~nextcloud-devs/+archive/ubuntu/client , sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nextcloud-devs/client would do the job fine
[15:21] <ra21vi> so plese suggest some fix quickly
[15:22] <nemo> ra21vi: sensors package would give you a bit more info as to what's going on exactly
[15:22] <oerheks> ra21vi, did you install graphics drivers? maybe that solves a fan issue, else clean the fan by a professional, as it is a laptop?
[15:22] <nemo> ra21vi: but usually that sort of thing means the CPU fan is failing or is blocked
[15:23] <nemo> my mom used to do that to her laptop by using it in bed where blankets blocked the airflow ☺
[15:23] <ra21vi> nemo: i installed sensors but dont know what to do net
[15:23] <ra21vi> next*
[15:23] <ulysses> Hey guys, do you work with Ubuntu MATE as well?
[15:23] <oerheks> !sensors
[15:24] <ra21vi> oerheks: i literally sucked off all dust using vaccum cleaner to clean any dust...
[15:24] <kostkon> ulysses, yes, it is supported here
[15:24] <nemo> ra21vi: the fan bearings could be failing
[15:24] <nemo> ra21vi: sensors should be telling you the fan speed - and if you see CPU temp climbing even w/ fan running that's a bad sign
[15:24] <oerheks> ra21vi, did you install graphics drivers? i read you have a gforce 960
[15:24] <nemo> could also be the GPU fan
[15:24] <ra21vi> oerheks: this laptop has Nvidia 950 , and I have not installed nvidia binary driver
[15:25] <ra21vi> nemo: sensors are able to run fan at full speed while testing..so fan bearing does not seems to be issue
[15:25] <nemo> ra21vi: well. climbing past normal range. some heating is fine ofc, esp w/ air cooling ☺
[15:25] <oerheks> ra21vi, oke, 950, use the driver tool or sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[15:25] <nemo> ra21vi: ah? what speed is that?
[15:25] <ra21vi> to me looks like for power saving ubuntu does not run fan everytime..
[15:26] <nemo> ra21vi: is the CPU temperature actually high? it could just be the GPU.
[15:26] <ra21vi> nemo: that I am not sure..
[15:26] <nemo> ra21vi: you could install fancontrol just to eliminate your hypothesis...
[15:27] <ra21vi> oerheks: ok, I am installing that driver
[15:27] <nemo> ra21vi: but it seems pretty unlikely to me
[15:27] <ra21vi> nemo: i installed fancontrol... but it didn't do anything
[15:27] <nemo> ra21vi: personally at home I was getting over heating due to minecraft and my stock fan just not being up to running so many cores non-stop
[15:27] <nemo> ra21vi: fancontrol is for you 😝
[15:28] <nemo> ra21vi: kinda have to configure it
[15:28] <ra21vi> nemo: should i run fancontrol in terminal ?
[15:28] <nemo> https://askubuntu.com/questions/22108/how-to-control-fan-speed
[15:30] <nemo> ra21vi: would still be good to watch the output of sensors tho - just to see if CPU temp in fact is climbing high.  it might not be a problem
[15:31] <ulysses> Alright, I'm running Ubuntu MATE on my Pi3 and the audio had previously worked, but now it doesn't see a sound system and is muted, basically no audio
[15:34] <Grorco> hey does anyone know off the top of their head what the games package is called? Some reason I lost it on my fresh install
[15:34] <nemo> ulysses: installed pavucontrol yet?
[15:34] <ulysses> Not yet
[15:35] <ra21vi> nemo: i did run fancontrol configuration and at last it showed blank in config for all parameters
[15:35] <nemo> ulysses: personally I find that awfully informative in what the heck pulseaudio thinks the sound source is, and what should be muted or volume low
[15:36] <kostkon> Grorco, i can only think of gnome-games
[15:36] <nemo> ulysses: either for audio out or individual apps which are sometimes on wrong source.
[15:36] <nemo> ulysses: I've also found the pulseaudio channel here on freenode pretty useful for custom stuff like auto-switching between hdmi/internal audio based on cable plugin, or creating a merged profile
[15:36] <ulysses> It's the general system, can' t even open sound output because it says that it's waiting for the sound system itself
[15:37] <ulysses> Alright
[15:37] <nemo> ulysses: anyway. pavucontrol helps explain what's going on, but if something is hanging, meh, just pulseaudio -k
[15:37] <nemo> kill the sucker, restart it
[15:37] <nemo> ulysses: it's still an unstable annoying thing, although not nearly as bad as in the past
[15:38] <ulysses> Thanks man, I'll check that out
[15:41] <Grorco> kostkon, I think that was part of it, some of them I recognize some I don't, thanks though :)
[15:41] <kostkon> Grorco, np
[15:42] <Grorco> kostkon, ace of penguins, I don't know why I didn't just search freecell that I was looking for first lol
[15:47] <kostkon> Grorco, it looks ancient :P but it's good i guess
[15:51] <Grorco> kostkon, it is, but I like to play it sometimes when I can't sleep
[15:51] <kostkon> :)
[15:57] <blue_cheese>  Hullo
[15:58] <blue_cheese>  For the record, I am running a recent version of Ubuntu, I forget the exact version.
[16:01] <blue_cheese>  I had installed the graphics studio version, then I did an update to a newer version, that managed to lose the studio features, so I don't even get a decent photo editor. Plus when it goes to update, it always comes up with the message "unable to download"
[16:02] <oerheks> blue_cheese, find the version: cat /etc/issue
[16:02] <blue_cheese>  I have a newer version of the studio version, but would like to install it without losing all the stuff that is on this drive, which is a lot.
[16:03] <leftyfb> blue_cheese: restore from backup?
[16:03] <oerheks> normally you can update with the live ubuntu-studio iso too.. but if you don't have a backup, your data is not important
[16:04] <leftyfb> oerheks: +1
[16:06] <blue_cheese> okay, 16.10 is the version. I get behind on things due to having severe COPD, so lost track of stuff. Some days I don't even get outside
[16:06] <riaz> haei
[16:06] <oerheks> blue_cheese, oke, that version is EOL, dead, upgrade with  a fresh 17.10 iso ?
[16:06] <leftyfb> blue_cheese: not only is that not a recent version, it's not supported
[16:06] <oerheks> !16.10
[16:07] <blue_cheese>  well, it has been over a year since I installed tis version
[16:08] <blue_cheese> but, I want to be able to install new version without losing all my asorted files, pictures,, downloads of other things, etc.
[16:08] <leftyfb> blue_cheese: I would suggest installing the latest version you want from scratch and restoring from backu
[16:08] <leftyfb> p
[16:08] <leftyfb> blue_cheese: restoring media files from backup. It's just a drag and drop to get them back
[16:09] <blue_cheese>  don't have a backup, really, unless I clear of another drive that I have only some other backup stuff, some from linux mint.
[16:09] <leftyfb> blue_cheese: then the data is not important
[16:10] <blue_cheese>   the majority of pix I still have on the SD cards, and the cell phones mcro SD card.
[16:11] <oerheks> upgrading should preserve your data, or a fresh install with manual selected partitioning ( just uncomment your /home/ ) should work too, but no guarantees
[16:13] <blue_cheese>  when I download pix I have taken, I always leave the originals  on the SD cards, as a just in case. I had some photos that I lost, were on a floppy from photo processer, and managed to lose em. Not hyper important, as they are from around 2000
[16:14] <leftyfb> blue_cheese: buy an external hard drive and backup your sd cards and files from your pc. I would also recommend uploading your pictures to an online service like dropbox or box.com or google photos or something
[16:14] <blue_cheese>  I tend to copy all the files I want to keep onto another drive, I have sebveral, and one has few files on it, so I could copy those and use that drive.
[16:16] <BBANNER> hey
[16:16] <blue_cheese>  I dislike using external drives. I have 4 HDs in this computer, and a Blu Ray.DVD drive that messes up what it writes, like when I restore an ISO to DVD. They work, but only on this computer, and NOT on another computer, such as my laptop
[16:17] <lordcirth_work> blue_cheese, if your external HDD doesn't work on other machines, you either put the wrong filesystem on it, or you're using one of those annoying Mybook things
[16:18] <blue_cheese>  I wound up using it to write an ISO to DVD, and since, the DVD drive in this does not want to work Ubuntu does not see it. Bugger. Now I write ISO's to  a flash drive
[16:18] <BBANNER> yes Brays only work on Brays drives
[16:19] <blue_cheese> I am NOT using an external drive
[16:19] <leftyfb> blue_cheese: then your data is not important to you
[16:19] <BBANNER> but it important to me
[16:20] <leftyfb> blue_cheese: feel free to upgrade your OS with no guarantee you will or will not lose your data. Good luck
[16:21] <leftyfb> blue_cheese: backing up your data to an external hard drive is THE safest local backup solution you can do
[16:21] <blue_cheese>  But do use memory sticks. Right now I tend to get annoyed, because my neck is aching, which also gives me headaches. Is from osteo arthritis in y bloody neck. That on top of severe COPD
[16:21] <leftyfb> blue_cheese: memory sticks are NOT safe
[16:21] <blue_cheese>  I back up the files to one of the other internal drives
[16:22] <blue_cheese>  the memory sticks I use mainly as install drives, NOT as backups.
[16:22] <lordcirth_work> Other internal drives will not help if your PSU fails violently, or lightning strikes, or fire, or flood
[16:22] <blue_cheese>  at my age, I tend to get annoye, at almost 80
[16:23] <blue_cheese>  i'm ging to go see if I can get some food down
[16:23] <blue_cheese> going^
[16:24] <blue_cheese>  Dyslexic kee bored
[16:24] <str8up> fresh install ubuntu game pack distro get this when i try to update https://paste.ubuntu.com/=7Y7qYzCNFj/ plz help
[16:25] <lordcirth_work> str8up, Ubuntu Game Pack is not a supported distro here.  Also,  the error message tells you the problem.
[16:26] <str8up> i cant figure out where to go to fix it
[16:26] <fx250> rsync question: https://pastebin.com/raw/hp0hEYhN With those options I have destination synced with source, unfortunately, many files are not correct.  example: /bin/bash file size and time (that appears in `ls -al /bin/bash`) are different.  Why is this?
[16:26] <str8up> im use to mint
[16:27] <oerheks> str8up, then ask mint suport, and tell them if you run xenial or trusty, you mixed up sources
[16:28] <str8up> i never touched anything all i did was ran updates and then that came up but not sure how to find the sources list under this distro ubuntu gamepack
[16:28] <leftyfb> str8up: why do you think you need ubuntu game pack?
[16:28] <dragosdrgm12> hekp me
[16:28] <dragosdrgm12> please
[16:28] <leftyfb> !ask | dragosdrgm12
[16:28] <str8up> its distro for gaming
[16:29] <dragosdrgm12> how to connect phone at raspberry pi with vnc?
[16:29] <dragosdrgm12> how to connect phone at raspberry pi with vnc?
[16:29] <leftyfb> str8up: ok, install regular ubuntu or mine and install the games you want
[16:29] <leftyfb> dragosdrgm12: please go to #raspberrypi
[16:32] <noobaaa> anyone on steam?
[16:32] <lordcirth_work> This Ubuntu Game Pack seems pointless and possibly sketchy
[16:32] <lordcirth_work> !anyone | noobaaa
[16:33] <wr> what is kernel version that comes with latest version ubuntu?
[16:33] <lordcirth_work> Hmm, wrong keyword.  Anyway, just ask your question, don't ask to ask
[16:33] <lordcirth_work> wr, 17.10 has 4.13 iirc
[16:34] <wr> lordcirth_work, ok thanks
[16:36] <fuchstronaut> I tried various instruction from google, but I don't think I updated my kernel. Typing "uname -r" I get this: "3.13.0-042stab127.2"
[16:36] <fuchstronaut> But I just updated 14.04 to 16.04.3
[16:36] <kostkon> fuchstronaut, uname -a
[16:36] <fuchstronaut> What do I have to do, to secure my server from meltdown/spectre
[16:37] <kostkon> fuchstronaut, why is there a "stab" in the version number
[16:37] <fuchstronaut> kostkon: "Linux host.xyz 3.13.0-042stab127.2 #1 SMP Thu Jan 4 16:41:44 MSK 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[16:37] <fuchstronaut> I have no clue
[16:37] <noobaaa> you need to install bios patch
[16:37] <lordcirth_work> stab is probably short for 'stable'
[16:37] <noobaaa> and install microcode for cpu
[16:37] <fuchstronaut> A bios patch? It is a VM, not my local cpu
[16:38] <kostkon> fuchstronaut, vm on a cloud service?
[16:38] <fuchstronaut> yes
[16:38] <grauzikas> 42stab127.2 this means openvz :)
[16:38] <fuchstronaut> I don't really know what I am doing, I am happy nothing went wrong updating to 16.04
[16:39] <fuchstronaut> I have some kind of parallels managing web interface where I can start the container, if that helps
[16:39] <grauzikas> if you are on virtual machine you can upgrade only packages, but not system kernel
[16:39] <lordcirth_work> The meltdown patch needs to be installed on the host OS.  If you're using pro hosting is should already be
[16:39] <fuchstronaut> Ah ok
[16:39] <noobaaa> send email to goggle to thank them for releasing exploit
[16:39] <fuchstronaut> They send me an e-mail telling me to take care of security on my VM, because it is not managed by them
[16:39] <noobaaa> now i know why google doesent need anti-virus
[16:40] <oerheks> fuchstronaut, upgrading openvz should be done with a fresh vm, as it uses a heavily patched kernel
[16:40] <fuchstronaut> so there is nothing more I can do, then to keep my OS updated and hope for my hoster to handle kernel updates?
[16:41] <oerheks> openvz does not upgrade the kernel to 4.xx
[16:41] <oerheks> this is not really an ubuntu support issue, contact your vm vendor
[16:41] <webbb> hi
[16:41] <webbb> is it possible to install an older version of postgresql-client, 9.1 instead the recent 9.5?
[16:42] <webbb> I need it for very specific purposes
[16:42] <fuchstronaut> alright, thanks anyways!
[16:42] <noobaaa> you need to disable j script in browser
[16:42] <noobaaa> to prevent M/S
[16:47] <MrLi> lo
[16:50] <oerheks> webbb, this old 12.04 version ?? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+package/postgresql-client-9.1 >> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=postgresql-client
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> im having a weird issue on 16.04.3 when i plugin an external seagate 1TB it doesnt popup, unless i plug another external usb HD, then they both popup. the problem drive works fine on a 18.04. any clues?
[17:06] <kazehehe> Im having a black screen after updating... Any ideas?
[17:07] <geirha> webbb: you could run it through docker. Avoids having to install an outdated version on the host system
[17:09] <ioria> lotuspsychje, sounds like a module not loading with the 1TB drive;  unplug both, replug the 1T hd and  dmesg | tail -30
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> ioria: the weird thing is i dont get any errors, led of hd is blinking/freeze
[17:12] <tpham> hi, does linux (the package) has a linux.mk file that I can control the build process of the package?
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> ioria: tryed formatting to ntfs, ext4 with gparted
[17:12] <xgpt> hey ebveryone, just curious, I need to find a cheapest-option for a domain name+host for a single page redirect or maybe to host a smallllll website for a couple that's getting married, any suggesitons? (i.e. bobandalivegettingmarried)
[17:12] <xgpt> hey ebveryone, just curious, I need to find a cheapest-option for a domain name+host for a single page redirect or maybe to host a smallllll website for a couple that's getting married, any suggesitons? (i.e. bobandalivegettingmarried.com)
[17:12] <ioria> lotuspsychje, ok, usually  (if the drive is ok) the issue is with uas or usb_storage module
[17:13] <oerheks> tpham, linux, the package? do you have an URL?
[17:13] <tpham> oerheks, sorry, i thought this was the buildroot channel
[17:13] <tpham> wrong channel
[17:13] <ioria> lotuspsychje, you can check lsmod  for them
[17:13] <wffwkwq> ubuntu is so cool
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> ioria: gonna try a bionic daily on that machine, see what it does
[17:15] <mustmodify> Which of these error messages is more significant? https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/c05403c322fc97a85520bd2e16cec5fa
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> ioria: its like the drive is waiting for something, until the other external is connected, then works fine suddenly
[17:20] <ioria> lotuspsychje, uas is loaded ?
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> ioria: dont see that in list no
[17:22] <ioria> lotuspsychje, usb_storage ?
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> ioria: no
[17:23] <ioria> lotuspsychje, sudo modprobe uas
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> ioria: seems like mouting, bbl
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> dinner first
[17:26] <Crashbit> I need help to remove one program. I install ceph and ceph-mds with apt, but now I can't remove ceph-mds packet
[17:26] <Crashbit> https://paste.ubuntu.com/=3tWQKcRP6Q/
[17:27] <Crashbit> I'll try to reinstall ceph-mds and remove again, but same problem appears
[17:35] <oerheks> Crashbit, does this work? sudo service ceph stop mds ## sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove ceph-mds # it removes all dependencies too
[17:35] <fx250> Ah, I see. It seems rsync only sends files with different timestamps if the source timestamp is newer than the destination.
[17:35] <fx250> I need to also include source files that are older than destination
[17:37] <Crashbit> oerheks: finally I solve the isssue removing ceph-mds* files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
[17:37] <oerheks> Crashbit, oke, good find, not sure why that solved it
[17:39] <Crashbit> oerheks: I don't know, but it works. every time to install this packages have same problem. It's strange
[17:43] <fx250> I need to also include source files that are older than destination, however, if I modify a file on the source, and then rsync, for some reason the file does not get reverted from the source to remove the modifications.
[17:44] <fx250> oops, mistyped msg
[17:44] <fx250> Bah, I was wrong.  It does update files that are older and newer. However, if I modify a file on the source, and then rsync, for some reason the file does not get reverted from the source to remove the modifications.
[17:44] <nacc> fx250: you want mirroring, not the normal operation
[17:44] <nacc> fx250: which is for backups
[17:44] <nacc> (if i had to guess)
[17:46] <fx250> nacc, https://pastebin.com/raw/7YUd26xG I am using -a option
[17:47] <fx250> I think it has to do with different timestamps than the times that appear in `ls -al /path/to/file` output.
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> ioria: loaded both uas & usb_storage but doesnt work
[17:48] <nacc> fx250: so you want to change a file on the source and have rsync undo your changes?
[17:49] <fx250> nacc, yes
[17:50] <ioria> lotuspsychje,  if you paste   dmesg | tail -30  we can have a look
[17:55] <lotus-seagate> ioria: https://hastebin.com/aputudipuw.scala
[17:55] <nacc> fx250: does the dest see the modification on the source?
[17:56] <ioria> lotuspsychje,  after re-plugging, i mean ...
[17:56] <fx250> nacc, What do you mean?
[17:56] <fx250> The source is left untouched
[17:56] <fx250> if I edit the source, then rsync syncs perfectly fine
[17:57] <nacc> fx250: what? you just said "if i modify a file on the source"
[17:57] <fx250> but if I edit the destination (e.g. edit text file with vi and save) and then rsync again, the change is not detected.
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> ioria: it doesnt record new logs mate
[17:57] <nacc> fx250: that's not at all what you said.
[17:57] <ioria> lotuspsychje,  nothing at all ???
[17:57] <fx250> nacc, Sorry, I made a mistake
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> ioria: drive blinking, like in a wait state
[17:57] <fx250> I meant if I manually modify on the destination
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> ioria: gparted or fdisk dont even see the hd
[17:58] <nacc> fx250: so you want a change in the destination to show up in the source?
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> ioria: unless i plugin the other external hd too
[17:58] <fx250> no
[17:58] <fx250> I want a change in the destination to cause the destination files to be restored from source
[17:59] <ioria> lotuspsychje,  ok, plug the other one and paste again
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> ioria: ok
[17:59] <oerheks> lotuspsychje, usb3 hdd on a usb2 port ?
[18:00] <nacc> fx250: and by destination, in your example, you mean local files?
[18:00] <oerheks> sudo modprobe -r uas # and plug the disk in again ... https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/10/msg00996.html
[18:00] <fx250> If I edit file contents on source, or `touch` on source, rsync updates the file.  But if I edit file contents on destination or `touch` on destination, nothing happens
[18:00] <fx250> yes
[18:01] <lotus-seagate> ioria: https://hastebin.com/vojetekuko.sql
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: tested all usb ports on that machine
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: on 18.04 that same drive works on all ports
[18:02] <samuel-s> !imagebin
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: sudo modprobe -r uas # no dice
[18:07] <ioria> lotuspsychje, file system corruption
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> ioria: https://hastebin.com/eboluxexuq.sql this is on bionic, drive gets mounted there
[18:11] <ioria> lotuspsychje, Buffer I/O error on dev sdb1
[18:12] <ioria> lotuspsychje, why don't you run fsck on it ? just to be sure
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> ioria: disktool says smart is ok
[18:14] <ioria> lotuspsychje, it's not
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> ioria: SEAGATE: clean, 11/61054976 bestanden, 3883091/244190008 blokken
[18:20] <metastable> SMART is good at indicating a failed drive, and terrible at indicating a healthy drive.
[18:20] <metastable> If SMART says a disk is failed, trust it. If it says it's healthy, don't trust it.
[18:22] <ioria> lotuspsychje,  with -f flag ?
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> ioria: SEAGATE: 11/61054976 bestanden (0.0% niet-aaneengesloten), 3883091/244190008 blokken
[18:25] <ioria> lotuspsychje, and if you replug, you still get 'print_req_error: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 973340672'
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> ioria: lets c
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> ioria: https://hastebin.com/secetifayi.sql
[18:29] <ioria> lotuspsychje, much better
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> ioria: yeah, im gonna try bionic on problem machine, see what it does
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> first in a live
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> ioria: no dice, must be conflict on that machine
[18:39] <ioria> lotuspsychje, not mounting or not detected at all ?
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> ioria: same flickering as before
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> ioria: unless i plug back that other hd into it
[18:42] <ioria> lotuspsychje, what is ? seagate ?
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> ioria: they both mount, after i plugin that external iomega
[18:42] <ioria> lotuspsychje, what is ? seagate ?
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> ioria: yeah
[18:43] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1584557
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[18:45] <ioria> lotuspsychje, like sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklistuas.conf and insert  options usb-storage quirks=0bc2:02322:u
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> ioria: lemme try that
[18:49] <ioria> lotuspsychje, and  i'd do a reboot
[18:50] <ioria> lotuspsychje, just for test, idt it's a fix
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> ioria: no dice
[18:59] <ioria> lotuspsychje, replace the Id if different
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> ioria: i did from lsusb
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> ioria: this is so weird, when plugging that other hd everything works like a charm
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> no flickering anymore
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> ioria: the differences are, the iomega got 2 usb outs, the seagate only 1
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> ioria: gonna play with it tomorrow, tnx for support mate
[19:03] <ioria> lotuspsychje, ok, np
[19:05] <cberg> I'm trying to install kubuntu with encrypted luks lvm using the manual partitioning option. can anyone tell me why this wouldn't work? https://i.imgur.com/mk3PyFY.png
[19:05] <cberg> it won't boot (gets grub rescue prompt)
[19:06] <cberg> I created the encrypted luks LVs outside of the installer because it wouldn't let me
[19:06] <cberg> maybe that's the problem?
[19:09] <lordcirth_work> cberg, what do you mean by 'wouldn't let me'? No button, or an error?
[19:10] <lordcirth_work> You could try using the text-mode installer (debian installer), I think it's still there.  It's still a friendly UI but more advanced
[19:10] <Jordan_U> cberg: Are you sure that your BIOS is booting from sda rather than from sdb?
[19:10] <cberg> lordcirth_work: there is only an option to create a "physical volume for encryption" in the installer, but no option to put LVs inside it
[19:10] <cberg> Jordan_U: hmmm, will check
[19:11] <cberg> how could I start the text mode installer?
[19:11] <lordcirth_work> cberg, you have to first create a PV, a physical volume for LVM, inside the LUKS
[19:11] <lordcirth_work> Then create LV's inside *that*
[19:11] <Jordan_U> cberg: IIRC the installer uses LVM on top of the LUKS volume by default.
[19:11] <cberg> lordcirth_work: yes, but the installer won't offer an option to create a LV inside it
[19:11] <lordcirth_work> Yes, I think it does
[19:12] <lordcirth_work> But that's if you choose auto with LUKS, not if you do manual partitioning
[19:12] <cberg> yeah I can't choose auto becuause I need to keep the other two paritions
[19:12] <cberg> I will try text mode. do you know how to boot into that by chance?
[19:13] <cberg> I don't see a boot option menu
[19:13] <Jordan_U> !minimal | cberg
[19:13] <cberg> okay, thanks
[19:14] <Jordan_U> cberg: But before you try that, you should really make sure that your BIOS isn't just booting from sdb rather than sda.
[19:14] <lordcirth_work> I thought there was an option at the boot prompt for the normal installer. Maybe not anymore
[19:14] <cberg> nope no option
[19:14] <cberg> yeah Jordan_U doing that now
[19:15] <Jordan_U> lordcirth_work: Debian installer is not included in the LiveUSB and never has been (unless you count the long ago LiveDVD images that contained both Server and Desktop installers along with most of the Main archive in the image).
[19:21] <cberg> okay I'm trying this same setup again, maybe something went wrong last time because I did a lot of going back and forth in the installer
[19:21] <cberg> I mean it should work, right?
[19:22] <SomeT> can someone help setup ssh keys on my server pls?
[19:23] <gordonjcp> SomeT: in what sense?
[19:23] <oerheks> SomeT, you already know https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[19:24] <oerheks> your culprit is enabling and disabling root-account, keys don't work no more when generated in root-account
[19:27] <akik> oerheks: ssh keys for the root user work just the same as for a normal user
[19:28] <oerheks> akik, when he enabled root account, makes keys, and then switches back, i think not
[19:28] <akik> SomeT's problem is that he's probably forgot _what_ he changed?
[19:34] <cberg> oh now I get a busybox initramfs prompt after a minut of the blinking kubuntu logo
[19:34] <cberg> I'm clearly doing something wrong
[19:56] <pikapika> Hi
[19:56] <pikapika> Is anyone available?
[19:57] <oerheks> pikapika, ask, wait and see
[19:58] <pikapika> Thanks, I am writing my question now
[20:02] <boo1> my system randomly freezes and kicks me into the login/logout screen
[20:02] <boo1> when I log back in all my applications are closed
[20:03] <boo1> are there log files ubuntu takes for me to identify the reason for the freezing?
[20:06] <chikan> hey
[20:15] <pikapika> https://pastebin.com/bDM8XTFd
[20:15] <pikapika> Thats my question
[20:16] <metastable> I don't see a question. Just a pastebin link.
[20:18] <ioria> pikapika, and obviously there is a reason why you have not installed lamp from the official repo
[20:18] <pikapika> I am stupid lol thats why
[20:18] <pikapika> Some updated information: https://pastebin.com/uJtwBYjh
[20:19] <pikapika> Just added that the apachectl lists so_module as enabled
[20:19] <metastable> So, pastebin is an ad-delivered-malware cesspool, and I'm not going to wade through wordwalls in pastes to figure out what your issue is. I assume you tried to compile Apache httpd from source?
[20:20] <pikapika> So is there any easy way to just erase it all and begin again
[20:20] <pikapika> Yes
[20:20] <pikapika> The apache is compiled manually and the php is from repo
[20:21] <pikapika> So yeah if nothing else, how do I uninstall this apache?
[20:22] <metastable> Best option I have for you short of a full reinstall is to install the 'checkinstall' package, then go through the configure-make-install process again using checkinstall so that it can see where files get placed.
[20:22] <metastable> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall
[20:22] <metastable> Please read that FIRST.
[20:22] <ioria> metastable, didn't know that about pastebin
[20:23] <pikapika> Ok thanks
[20:23] <metastable> Oh yeah. Pastebin is a total garbage fire in that department. Ubuntu's pastebin service is far nicer to deal with. There are several other alternatives as well.
[20:23] <ioria> good to know thanx
[20:24] <gordonjcp> wow, people still use apache?
[20:24] <akik> metastable: the raw link gives you the paste without ads
[20:24] <metastable> https://ptpb.pw https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net https://ix.io - Debian and Ubuntu also run pastebin services.
[20:24] <metastable> akik: I shouldn't have to modify a URL to not get ad-borne malware. :P
[20:24] <gordonjcp> metastable: and of course you can always just upload a text file to your webserver... oh wait ;-)
[20:24] <BillD73> oh yes  sudo apt install pastebinit    $<command> -<args> | pastebinit   and a nice sweet url pops up lol
[20:24] <metastable> There's also pastebinit, yes.
[20:25] <akik> metastable: we can only hope for an ad-free network
[20:25] <metastable> gordonjcp: Of course people still use Apache. Why not?
[20:25] <gordonjcp> metastable: it's okay for what it does, I guess
[20:26] <BillD73> metastable: he was jabbin at your broken apache lol
[20:26] <metastable> httpd has its pros and cons, like any other implementation.
[20:26] <gordonjcp> metastable: everything I've run for the past five or six years has been on nginx
[20:26] <metastable> MY httpd isn't broken. :P
[20:26] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, what would you use instead of apache?
[20:26] <gordonjcp> metastable: what I took exception to with apache was them calling the IRC channel "#httpd
[20:26] <metastable> nginx is also great.
[20:26] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: nginx, these days
[20:26] <yosefrow_> nginx is great for web router
[20:26] <metastable> But nginx isn't suitable for ALL situations.
[20:27] <metastable> Try running Wordpress on nginx. You'll be doing a lot of manual futzing.
[20:27] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: on very very small systems I use a cut-down version of micro-httpd
[20:27] <yosefrow_> i use nginx for reverse proxy / web routing. And I use apache internally for websites
[20:27] <BillD73> its like anything else you get used to, comfort, avoiding change
[20:27] <gordonjcp> metastable: Wordpress is horrible
[20:27] <metastable> yosefrow_: A very common, and very solid, set up.
[20:27] <yosefrow_> does nginx support .htaccess?
[20:27] <metastable> yosefrow_: Nope.
[20:27] <metastable> gordonjcp: Wordpress IS horrible, yes. But it's also very popular.
[20:27] <yosefrow_> yosefrow, nginx out the window for site hosting then
[20:27] <yosefrow_> .htaccess is a must
[20:28] <yosefrow_> and for web routing / proxy apache is a nightmare
[20:28] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: .htaccess is never a bust
[20:28] <gordonjcp> *must
[20:28] <metastable> Sometimes it can be.
[20:28] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: it's a horrible horrible hack
[20:28] <metastable> See also "the Linux kernel."
[20:28] <gordonjcp> true
[20:28] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, maybe in some nirvana
[20:28] <metastable> Just because it's a horrible, horrible hack doesn't mean it isn't in wide use.
[20:29] <gordonjcp> metastable: Linux is pretty horrible, too
[20:29] <gordonjcp> metastable: so are petrol engines, but we still need cars I guess
[20:29] <metastable> Ding ding ding.
[20:29] <gordonjcp> metastable: they're horrible but everything else is worse, in some important way
[20:29] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, in all the real world situations i've found, .htaccess is depended upon as a way to convey the ideal internal routing and permissions for a site
[20:30] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, many apps depend on .htaccess to handle routing and if you remove it, you will spend alot of your time manually configuring and exporting apache or nginx conf or whatever else you use. instead of simply git pull and running apache
[20:30] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: so put it in a proper config file, instead of scattering it around the webroot
[20:31] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, as i said, that is extra work. And you need to do that for every new project.
[20:31] <yosefrow_> it can easily get out of hand
[20:31] <yosefrow_> and if you have to migrate to new infrastructure all those beautiful files you wrote could get lost or misplaced because they are not tied together with the code if they are in git at all
[20:31] <gordonjcp> o_O
[20:32] <gordonjcp> have you ever heard of deployment management?
[20:32] <gordonjcp> what is this, the 1990s?
[20:32] <metastable> There are also plenty of situations where the person developing the app doesn't control the service's configuration.
[20:32] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, its an unneccssary layer of complication. Why should I have to engineer deployment management for nginx/apache or whatever when i can just git pull a repo together with its .htaccess file?
[20:32] <yosefrow_> thats my point
[20:33] <yosefrow_> what if as metastable the developer decides the next version of my cms/webapp needs a new routing rule to function?
[20:33] <yosefrow_> i need to keep track of every 3rd party tool and update my configs accordingly or stuff breaks
[20:33] <yosefrow_> whereas with .htaccess I can just git pull and it just works
[20:35] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, the core issue here though is that many devs depend on .htaccess for application routing. I much prefer if the world would move to platforms like node.js and then use proper routing via express. But I dont think that will happen any time soon
[20:38] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: for my own web dev stuff I've been using Django for about ten years, and Flask more-or-less since it came out
[20:38] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: so actually putting the routing *where it should be in the controllers* is kind of how I've done it for as long as I can remember
[20:39] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: mostly because I've repressed the memories of the horror of PHP
[20:39] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, hahaha xD
[20:39] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: one very large company in the UK had a PHP website that I used to work on, about ten years ago or so
[20:39] <metastable> And that's fine for stuff you control. But if your employer has standard platforms (my previous one did) you may not have that luxury.
[20:39] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, we use lots of drupal *and* wordpress, so we cant run away from .htaccess
[20:40] <pikapika> Awesome
[20:40] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: the very first line of index.php was "header("HTTP/1.1 200 OK");
[20:40] <yosefrow_> lol
[20:40] <pikapika> It appears to have removed the faulty apache and the apache from apt works fine
[20:40] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: why? you ask...
[20:40] <metastable> Okay now, WTF? SERIOUSLY?
[20:41] <metastable> pikapika: Cheers.
[20:41] <yosefrow_> pikapika, nice :D
[20:41] <pikapika> Thanks everyone! ^_^
[20:41] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: because they used .htaccess to set index.php as the default 404 handler, so it would be called on a not-found URL, return 200 OK, and then go off on its merry way working out what the URL should do to its dispatcher
[20:42] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, that sounds like a highly specific case of an unintended use of a platform
[20:42] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: yes, this meant that valid page hits were logged in error.log along with genuine errors
[20:42] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: that wasn't even the worst
[20:42] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, i think you will find, no matter what tool you create or find there will be at least one section of people who will completely, utterly, and totally misuse it
[20:42] <TJ-> Did I get overflow-redirected into #httpd ?
[20:42] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: have you ever gotten through maybe the second or third day of a new job, and realised you now have to explain to your manager and *his* manager that the only way out of this mess is to torch the building and start a new life in Azerbaijan?
[20:43] <pikapika> And the PHP is working fine too
[20:43] <pikapika> Thanks again for the help
[20:43] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, I tried to tell that to my current client. But they wouldnt buy it. so i built on top of a faulty foundation, put in some supports here and there and started gutting and replacing parts of the building one piece at  atime
[20:43] <yosefrow_> today i entirely restructured their nginx
[20:43] <yosefrow_> mostly finished
[20:44] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: yup
[20:44] <yosefrow_> it was a 3 month process of tedious and slow work
[20:44] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: tbh I wish I still had a copy of the source for that site
[20:44] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: I could sit and post to The Daily WTF every week for years
[20:45] <yosefrow_> the nginx files looked like scrambled eggs. comments everywhere, no indentation. Its like some someone just scribbled everywhere and somehow got it to work
[20:45] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: one part had a site menu built by calling out to a bash script from the PHP file, to read a text file, template up a PHP file with the html for the menu, and then include() that file further down
[20:45] <gordonjcp> ... assuming the bash script finished first
[20:45] <gordonjcp> which it mostly did
[20:45] <yosefrow_> files with multiple sites, error/access logs with seemingly random names, sites-available was basically empty because ppl just gave up symlinking from there
[20:46] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, i spit upon their implementation
[20:46] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: "not even wrong"
[20:47] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: have you ever gotten through maybe the second or third day of a new job and had to sit down with your manager and *his* manager... and say "right, race conditions, have you heard of them?"
[20:47] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, the sad truth is that sometimes companies dont have enough time or money to actually build things the right way.
[20:47] <yosefrow_> and surviving is better than dying even if its ugly
[20:47] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: yeah, that's it
[20:48] <yosefrow_> i rather live even if my face is ugly, than get killed off because im not pretty enough
[20:48] <SomeT> on my server, in ubuntu, I am not using SSH, what checks can I do to make sure my server is not compromised?
[20:48] <RtMF> yosefrow_: we need to make 'just surviving' cost more than 'doing things right' - I propose charging $1000/hr for 'do things stupid way x'
[20:48]  * RtMF shrugs
[20:48] <SomeT> so far I have disabled root login
[20:48] <RtMF> meh not like it'll work
[20:48] <SomeT> is there a site which tells me
[20:48] <SomeT> like a walkthroguh
[20:48] <gordonjcp> SomeT: root login ought not to be enabled anyway
[20:48] <gordonjcp> SomeT: what else are you running on the server, and what kind of situation is it in?
[20:49] <yosefrow_> RtMF, amen to that. I think this is what is begginging to happen with the introduction of microservices and orchestrators like kubernetes. These tools are making beautiful infrastructure stupidly simple.
[20:49] <yosefrow_> Soon it will get to the point where if you dont have 100% uptime via one of the above mentioned tools, people simply wont care about your services.
[20:50] <yosefrow_> Thats the point that businesses will care enough to use these tools, thus improving the quality of life for everyone (hopefully)
[20:51] <SomeT> oh I am hosting a laravel install via laravel forge
[20:51] <SomeT> I mean its for a student project and SSH key setup gives me a headache on windows
[20:51] <yosefrow_> SomeT, do you own the server?
[20:51] <SomeT> yes its on digital ocean though
[20:51] <SomeT> hosted there rather
[20:51] <yosefrow_> SomeT, dont need a key. You can login without ssh
[20:51] <yosefrow_> without ssh key i mean
[20:52] <yosefrow_> you just need to get in one once, and from then on you can use a user/pass if it isnt configured already
[20:52] <yosefrow_> SomeT, according to digital ocean help site, The default username is: root
[20:52] <yosefrow_> And the password is the one that is emailed to you.
[20:53] <yosefrow_> try using a tool like putty to login and supply the username and pass
[20:53] <yosefrow_> SomeT, did you get some mail with a password?
[20:55] <SomeT> yeah I done that
[20:56] <SomeT> thats all good
[20:56] <SomeT> now my next steps is to make sure for example nothing is open
[20:56] <SomeT> like I notice I have ssh and sshd config files
[20:56] <SomeT> I was initially looking at this you see: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20294381/google-server-putty-connect-disconnected-no-supported-authentication-methods-a
[20:58] <yosefrow_> SomeT, did you manage to login to the server?
[20:59] <yosefrow_> via putty
[20:59] <SomeT> yes
[20:59] <SomeT> both of them
[20:59] <SomeT> there is two btw
[21:00] <yosefrow_> SomeT, ok so the issue here is that you would like to harden your ubuntu servers against attacks?
[21:00] <yosefrow_> or do you want to install an auditing service to track machine activity? both?
[21:01] <SomeT> I mean both would be good
[21:01] <SomeT> just point me to the right tutorial
[21:01] <SomeT> ;)
[21:02] <gordonjcp> SomeT: so in the first case, it's probably pretty resistant to attacks anyway, but you'll need to be careful of what you install
[21:03] <gordonjcp> SomeT: it's possible to write horrible insecure services in any platform ;-)
[21:05] <SomeT> ok one thing that concerns me
[21:05] <SomeT> as stupid as this sounds
[21:05] <SomeT> I generated SSH keys actually on the server itself
[21:05] <SomeT> but I don't need them lol
[21:05] <SomeT> because I am not logging into SSH
[21:05] <SomeT> and the error I posted above via the stackoverflow thing this was prevelant to this happening constantly in PuTTy
[21:08] <SomeT> I dunno how I even fixed that error, lol
[21:08] <SomeT> I didnt really amend anything
[21:10] <yosefrow_> SomeT, apt install ufw for hardening. apt install auditd for auditing
[21:10] <yosefrow_> be careful with the firewall though
[21:11] <yosefrow_> you can easily lock yourself out of ssh if you're not careful and block port 22
[21:11] <yosefrow_> assuming you connect with the default port
[21:12] <yosefrow_> other than that, if you're running a webserver, make sure you block access to files you dont want ppl to see via your webserver rules
[21:12] <ox1de> on boot my laptop and PC will illuminate for 1 second and then go dark... the hardare and soft seem operational but the screen is very dim - help?
[21:13] <yosefrow_> also setup an ssh account for another user, give him sudoers rights and then disable ssh password for root
[21:13] <yosefrow_> https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-harden-ubuntu-server-16-04-security-in-five-steps/ more stuff if you're curious
[21:16] <yosefrow_> SomeT, so your real issue is that you want to solve the error you are getting with putty?
[21:17] <SomeT> no I solved that
[21:17] <SomeT> but I don't know how
[21:17] <SomeT> so thats what has me worried now
[21:17] <SomeT> I just rebooted the machine twice
[21:17] <metastable> That TechRepublic article is total crap.
[21:17] <SomeT> and it started to work lol
[21:17] <yosefrow_> SomeT, i wouldnt worry then
[21:17] <yosefrow_> SomeT, ubuntu out of the box is pretty secure
[21:18] <SomeT> I mean I find DO goes a bit dodgy like that sometimes
[21:18] <SomeT> this is why I use Ubuntu, lol
[21:18] <metastable> Ubuntu is, but I'm not sure about DO's changes from the stock configuration.
[21:18] <SomeT> I dunno what I am doing for the most part yet I know its secure
[21:18] <yosefrow_> SomeT, it all depends on what changes you make to ubuntulog
[21:18] <yosefrow_> to Ubuntu*
[21:18] <SomeT> I know its the LTS one I am using
[21:18] <metastable> SomeT: What are your issues and concerns? Can you summarize them for me?
[21:18] <SomeT> what is ubuntulog?
[21:18] <SomeT> I am worried about the security of my server
[21:19] <yosefrow_> ubuntulog, is somebodies name I tab completed by accident. Meant to say ubuntu. its a terminal habit
[21:19] <gordonjcp> SomeT: it's pretty reasonably secure
[21:19] <gordonjcp> SomeT: have you any reason to suspect it has been compromised?
[21:19] <SomeT> no
[21:19] <gordonjcp> SomeT: then it's probably fine
[21:19] <SomeT> all I have done is generate SSH keys on my server
[21:19] <SomeT> which I decided not to use
[21:20] <gordonjcp> that's no biggie
[21:20] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, unless the CIA is after you or something like that. probably nobody is interested in hacking your newly spawned digital ocean node
[21:20] <yosefrow_> no offense ;)
[21:20] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: totally
[21:20] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: I see a lot of traffic to my server from Langley, Virginia
[21:20] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: I guess someone there just likes old Range Rovers
[21:20] <yosefrow_> lol
[21:21] <SomeT> I have some issues with that
[21:21] <metastable> SomeT: Connecting via SSH keys means that you generate the keys on the client system, not the server.
[21:21] <SomeT> my email is 4000 bit encrypted
[21:21] <metastable> No it isn't.
[21:21] <yosefrow_> metastable, it doesnt matter where you generate the keys
[21:21] <SomeT> takes a long time to decrypt each time I recieve an email
[21:21] <metastable> yosefrow_: You saaay that, but why would you generate them remotely and then transfer the private key over the network?
[21:22] <yosefrow_> metastable, sure via ssh why not
[21:22] <metastable> yosefrow_: Eh, I just think it's bad form.
[21:22] <yosefrow_> agree
[21:22] <SomeT> I use protonmail
[21:22] <yosefrow_> but if you have no choice its notthe worst you can do
[21:22] <SomeT> I kept sending financial documents
[21:22] <SomeT> and then the government
[21:22] <SomeT> and it became a mess
[21:22] <yosefrow_> the key point here im saying is that where you generate the keys is not the point
[21:23] <SomeT> I didnt transfer any keys
[21:23] <metastable> SomeT: Your email is not "4000 bit encrypted." If the government was that interested in you, you wouldn't be rambling about it on IRC.
[21:23] <SomeT> I created them on the server rather than the client
[21:23] <lordcirth_work> It's more that generating the keys in the wrong place sets off red flags in my mind about knowledge of ssh
[21:23] <`ajven> hello, i made my own iso with ubuntu where i put clamav packge inside, but i would like to have update data base on that iso so "freshclam" command, any idea how to do that with iISO ?
[21:23]  * SomeT as derealisation issues
[21:23] <metastable> SomeT: Which doesn't make much sense. The client needs the private key, not the server.
[21:23] <yosefrow_> SomeT, if you dont have an ssh key generator on windows, you can copy them to your windows computer, and then place your public key in your remote server ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file
[21:24] <metastable> If you have PuTTY, you have an SSH key generator.
[21:24] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: I do know for certain that a seniour member of a UK police force's cybercrime division has an account on my forum and reads it every day
[21:24] <yosefrow_> but I bet putty has a built in key generator
[21:24] <metastable> puttygen, yes.
[21:24] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: he's got an absolutely *lovely* 2001 4.6 Vogue SE, looks like it just left the showroom
[21:24] <SomeT> yeah it does
[21:24] <SomeT> I think from all my mistakes I know how tocorrect this all now
[21:24] <SomeT> thanks
[21:24] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, I'm supposed to file for security clearance within a week for work...yeah not sure how that will pan out xD
[21:25] <SomeT> it still bugs me why my server suddenly starts letting me connect in putty though lol
[21:25] <gordonjcp> SomeT: anyway yeah, no-one's *that* interested in your server, don't use stupid passwords and you'll be fine
[21:25] <SomeT> yosefrow
[21:25] <SomeT> the uk government employ anyone now
[21:25] <SomeT> dw
[21:25] <yosefrow_> lol
[21:25] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: I had to apply for security clearance to go and deliver some radios and training for the radios to a navy base on the Clyde, nuclear submarines and all that stuff
[21:25] <SomeT> as long as you have the right experience/hobbies/qualifications and never been arrested you will be fine
[21:25] <SomeT> they deny my application each time
[21:25] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, soundsd fun
[21:26] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: was told to expect to wait two weeks to get my clearance approved
[21:26] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: got the reply back in two *hours*
[21:26] <metastable> SomeT: You just described any government job ever for nearly any country.
[21:26] <SomeT> lol
[21:26] <SomeT> its not fair
[21:26] <gordonjcp> yosefrow_: can't help but think that *someone* knows *exactly* who I am ;-)
[21:26] <yosefrow_> gordonjcp, my CEO told me, I will probably never be cleared because im a dual citizen + other reasons
[21:26] <SomeT> I got in trouble with the law when I was younger
[21:26] <metastable> gordonjcp: I'm envious. My last clearance request took 18 months.
[21:26] <SomeT> and now its affected my entire life
[21:26] <metastable> yosefrow_: I've seen dual citizens get approved for clearances. Used to work with a couple.
[21:26] <yosefrow_> hmmm
[21:26] <yosefrow_> we'll see i guess
[21:27] <yosefrow_> I was told the most important thing is not to lie
[21:27] <gordonjcp> metastable: I suspect it's because I've had a fairly "interesting" involvement with various leftie political organisations and protest groups, and I hold a couple of very serious radio licences
[21:27] <yosefrow_> hahah
[21:27] <metastable> I was applying for a US DOD TS/SCI with polygraph.
[21:27] <yosefrow_> metastable, yeah part of the form here includes consent to submit to polygraph testing
[21:27] <metastable> That entire process suuucked.
[21:28] <gordonjcp> in all seriousness I reckon it's down to the radio licences, I reckon the government has a list of "hey this guy might be able to help with..." stuff
[21:28] <metastable> The polygraph was no big deal. They occasionally threw curveball questions at me, I just shrugged and answered.
[21:28] <yosefrow_> metastable, what kind of curveball questions?
[21:28] <gordonjcp> metastable: polygraph, wtf, did they also throw chicken bones in a bag?
[21:28] <yosefrow_> SomeT, that sucks man
[21:28] <gordonjcp> maybe read your tea leaves
[21:28] <metastable> Hey, I'm not saying that polygraphs are scientific. For some reason, the US still trusts them.
[21:29] <gordonjcp> metastable: it's insane ;-)
[21:29] <yosefrow_> they are scientific enough
[21:29] <metastable> I agree.
[21:29] <metastable> Uh, no, they're not.
[21:29] <SomeT> nw yosefrow I got into AI
[21:29] <yosefrow_> they seem sciency
[21:29] <metastable> Polygraphs are FAMOUS for being pseudoscience.
[21:29] <SomeT> I can make a good comeback
[21:29] <metastable> They're total crap.
[21:29] <SomeT>  Polygraphs are not pseudoscience
[21:29] <lordcirth_work> This is getting way offtopic
[21:29] <SomeT> they have like a margin of error sure
[21:29] <yosefrow_> lordcirth_work, thats an understatement
[21:29] <SomeT> they are used in courts of law ffs
[21:29] <yosefrow_> lets take this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:30] <SomeT> I gotta go anyway
[21:30] <SomeT> cya
[21:30] <yosefrow_> everyone /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:30] <SomeT> time for dinner
[21:30] <yosefrow_> SomeT, join when u get back :p
[21:30] <yosefrow_> enjoy
[21:32] <phelix> how can I run a command so that when you log in a terminal pops up after running a command.. like /usr/bin/xterm /home/me/script.sh --option1=1 --option2=2
[21:32] <phelix> xterm doesn't seem to like me adding arguments
[21:34] <lordcirth_work> phelix, have you tried quotes?  /usr/bin/xterm "/home/me/script.sh --option1=1 --option2=2"
[21:35] <phelix> using quotes gives me this: /usr/bin/xterm: No absolute path found for shell:
[21:41] <lordcirth_work> phelix, xterm -hold -e echo hi
[21:42] <phelix> ya, just found the -e
[21:42] <phelix> I tihnk this will work thanks
[21:42] <lordcirth_work> hold keeps the window from closing when done
[21:44] <andrej> I just tried to encrypt my home after the fact.  Running ecryptfs-migrate-home --user andrej produced a long list of rsync output, then an error stating that some files couldn't be synced.
[21:45] <andrej> I rebooted, and tried again. Now it claims it's already encrypted?
[21:46] <andrej> I have my doubts, though, because when I log in as the "other" user I can su to root and read files in my home just fine
[21:47] <andrej> How do I get the encryption going?
[21:48] <oerheks> " In order to encrypt your /home directory you can't be logged on as yourself." https://askubuntu.com/questions/820642/how-to-add-encryption-after-installation
[21:48] <lordcirth_work> andrej, rsync probably didn't delete the old, unencrypted files.  you could try moving the old elsewhere.  Check output of df -h first
[21:49] <andrej> lordcirth_work - I did check, and got rid of the andrej.randomGarble directory
[21:49] <andrej> oerheks - that's where  the *other* user came in
[21:51] <oerheks> andrej, oh oke, that is not how i read your post ..
[21:52] <andrej> no worries
[21:52] <oerheks> and i missed the -u  >> sudo ecryptfs-migrate-home -u user
[21:53] <SkyLord12345> hello
[21:55] <ox1de> on boot my laptop and PC will illuminate for 1 second and then go dark... the hardare and soft seem operational but the screen is very dim - help?
[21:57] <SkyLord12345> q
[22:00] <matu> hi
[22:00] <matu> is there an easy way to tell ubuntu to use more memory and keep more applications in ram ?
[22:01] <metastable> matu: What issue are you encountering?
[22:03] <admin0> hi all . if I installed ubuntu using MaaS, is there a default user/pass that can be used to login to the console  /
[22:03] <matu> i got 48GB of memory for cheap, but it seems it is useless, i would like to be sure all the applications i load one time, remain in ram and will be very fast to load
[22:03] <admin0> if not, is it possible to specify default user/pass on MaaS ?
[22:03] <admin0> that gets created on the ubuntu systems deployed
[22:03] <metastable> matu: I'm not really understanding your issue. An application is loaded when it is launched.
[22:03] <lordcirth_work> matu, the Linux kernel will cache every file you load until you fill your RAM.
[22:04] <metastable> ^ that too.
[22:04] <metastable> It will use the memory when it has a reason to do so.
[22:05] <matu> ah very nice
[22:05] <matu> ty
[22:07] <oerheks> admin0, i think you should havbe the public key already, ssh ubuntu@${address-of-node} >>  https://askubuntu.com/questions/159436/what-is-the-default-password-for-the-maas-image [22:08] <admin0> oerheks, thing is the IP assigned and showed in the dhcp does not ping and i cannot ssh.. so asking how to create a default user/pass for times like this, or when somethign breaks and it asks for root / to do fsck
[22:09] <oerheks> not sure about the maas installer, it should provide ssh pub key, .. maybe you can reask in #maas
[22:10] <oerheks> after install & login, you can add users, i read
[22:24] <ra21vi> hi, i am having some trouble with FAN on ubuntu 16.04, dell 7559 laptop.. Fan is not spinning in ubuntu, but works fine with Windows.. and within few mins my system turns off, wiping out BIOS settings :(
[22:24] <ra21vi> what should I do
[22:25] <Sean_McG> hi, I recently found out that if I connect a speaker to the header of my motherboard it is left buzzing after boot. Is there a good way to find out what process or kernel piece is causing it? I'm currently using Ubuntu 16.04 on a Ryzen 5 1600.
[22:26] <serard_> Hi
[22:26] <serard_> Someone remembers the dpgk command to get list of asked questions when installing a software ? So one can automates the installation ?
[22:28] <tomreyn> ra21vi: searching for this issue online all i can find is reports on the fan running all the time on linux, not that it doesn't run. have you tried a bios upgrade?
[22:34] <pavlos> serard_: https://askubuntu.com/questions/993420/is-using-dpkg-a-must-for-using-unattended-upgrades
[22:34] <serard_> pavlos, I found dpgk-get-selections
[22:35] <pavlos> serard_: k
[22:35] <serard_> for example installing slapd asks me password, I want to automate that process
[22:36] <serard_> debconf-get-selections
[22:36] <tomreyn> serard_: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man7/debconf.7.html
[22:37] <oerheks> serard_, an example .. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32325597/script-install-for-slapd
[22:38] <serard_> thank you pavlos , tomreyn , oerheks
[22:50] <texla> Ubuntu 16.04 grub 2.02..How do I enlarge the fonts on grub menu?
[22:51] <Sean_McG> texla: I would think that would depend on what graphics mode GRUB2 is starting with
[22:51] <metastable> I'm not sure that GRUB has "font sizes" to speak of at all.
[22:51] <Sean_McG> so a lower resolution would give larger fonts
[22:51] <metastable> ^
[22:53] <oerheks> grub-customizergives that option, https://launchpad.net/~danielrichter2007/+archive/ubuntu/grub-customizer
[22:56] <texla> oerheks, I have stayed away from ppa's is this one safe
[22:56] <metastable> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/31672/can-grub-font-size-be-customised
[22:56] <metastable> There's a non-PPA way to do it.
[22:57] <Sean_McG> oh, that's cool.
[22:57] <Sean_McG> not that I reboot often ^^;
[22:59] <Bashing-om> texla: /etc/default/grub >> # The resolution used on graphical terminal >> #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 . heed the warning when setting .
[23:04] <oerheks> texla, that url from metastable should work, except step 4: Update GRUB configuration with: sudo update-grub
[23:04] <metastable> Yeah, convert those instructions to ubuntu-sane ones.
[23:04] <matu> bye
[23:04] <matu> and thank you
[23:17] <tfgbd_> Which Ubuntu should I try on my Baytrail and Cherrytrail Tablet PCs?
[23:18] <tfgbd_> Is a nightly more likely to work?
[23:19] <kostkon> tfgbd_, you could try 18.04 but support is in #ubuntu+1 not here
[23:19] <kostkon> tfgbd_, support for 18.04 that is
[23:20] <tfgbd_> I see.
[23:29] <tfgbd_> I just tried Mint 18 and it booted but there is no touch screen support.
[23:30] <tfgbd_> Also, is there an Unbuntu distro that has an on screen keyboard built into the live DVD?
[23:30] <tfgbd_> Ubuntu*
[23:30] <bazhang> tfgbd_, try the mintsupport channel for that
[23:30] <tfgbd_> I understand.
[23:30] <tfgbd_> I'm trying the latest nightly now.
[23:30] <tfgbd_> Well, I'm downloading it.
[23:30] <bazhang> tfgbd_, thats in #ubuntu+1
[23:31] <bazhang> tfgbd_, this channel wont support that here until the release
[23:31] <rangemonger> tfgbd_: xubuntu has onboard, an onscreen kb
[23:32] <tfgbd_> I've used that on my HD2
[23:32] <tfgbd_> It kind of sucked.
[23:32] <rangemonger> i thought it was pretty decent
[23:32] <tfgbd_> This was 10.04
[23:32] <rangemonger> oh, im talking 17.10
[23:32] <tfgbd_> Isn't 04 LTS?
[23:33] <rangemonger> 16.04 and 14.04 are
[23:33] <bazhang> tfgbd_, every two years
[23:33] <tfgbd_> Isn't there an 18.10?
[23:33] <rangemonger> basically the even year april releases
[23:33] <bazhang> tfgbd_, 18.o4 is the next
[23:33] <rangemonger> 18.10 will be in oct, hence the 10
[23:33] <tfgbd_> I see.
[23:33] <tfgbd_> So 18.04 is the most bleeding edge?
[23:33] <rangemonger> yes
[23:33] <tfgbd_> I just want the touch screen to work.
[23:33] <bazhang> tfgbd_, please
[23:34] <bazhang> tfgbd_, that discussion is not here
[23:34] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for that tfgbd_
[23:46] <zamanf> hi
[23:47] <zamanf> is it possible to add items on the menu bar of ubuntu? I need to run a script and add the result numbers on the ubuntu menu bar
[23:52] <notsgnik> hi, i'm asking myself if it's safe for the data if i install ubuntu on the emmc of a tablet ? sould i tweak ubuntu ? install it on a SD card?
[23:53] <streetwitch> grep '/TO' pos.txt | grep '/VB' | grep '/DT' > 2.txt    This finds all lines in a file with the search terms.  But I want them to remain in the order 1, 2, 3, from left to right