 if only snaps were working on Touch...
 @padraic7a, High focus on security and ux, basically
 might fix several issues
 @kz6fittycent, Then I'd definitely not use it
 why?
 @dohbee, Sounds great
 @kz6fittycent, Way too much to type on my phone
 TL;DR, Rodney worked on the Phone team and really hates snaps
 its funny how polarizing new technology and methodologies are
 personally, I default to a snap before a native app
 but hey, to each his own
 @UniversalSuperBox, I don't hate it, but I have enough experience with it to know it doesn't solve the problems we need to solve on end user systems
 And it's required for the kernel live patching, which is quite annoying
 (Photo, 389x92) https://irc.ubports.com/TAVKD2KG.png
 Porting Ubuntu Touch in a nutshell
 I was about to type `stop lightdm` which would have prevented the reboot
 Heh
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/GtH40Hnb.mp4
[00:59] <ubptgbot> thrrgilag was added by: thrrgilag
 wlan: [1719:E :WDA] FW not ready to WOW
 Looks like my wlan firmware just isn't good under pressure
 @kz6fittycent need a hit?
 yes
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/b0HakuTi.mp4
 You're too good to me @UniversalSuperBox
 This is a very unhappy phone
 but still, it's getting there
 further than before, right?
 Yep!
 I'm just glad you know what you're doing lol
 if I did it, it'd end up with iOS on it
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/yX1pLXpr.mp4
 Nah, Marius knows what he's doing and I just kinda follow along. :P
 Now I think I can probably do something though
 very cool
 @wayneoutthere, Ah I see haha been hearing a lot about matrix I'm usually on discord myself I'm personally curious on those matrix bridges among others
 @dohbee I think you're the person who would best be able to identify where this is coming from. I'm running unity8-dash, it's segfaulting. I looked up the error, it appears to be similar to #1228201. I think I need to play with the compile options of something. Full backtrace is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9d7XYzzYS3/
 The real error is probably "Operation not permitted (src/thread.cpp:152)"
 I was hoping ubot was still in IRC so it could say what that lp bug is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-defaults/+bug/1228201
 thanks
 I see from ...libunity-scopes, I wonder where the source of that is.
 Okay, I'm able to trigger this by doing `scopes-client list`, which I think is about the most specific client I can get. I now know that there's a `libunity-scopes.so.1.0` and it seems to not have this compilation workaround, but I don't know what it comes from.
 I think it comes from here. https://github.com/ubports/unity-api/tree/xenial-7.1-caf-sudoku/src/unity/api/scopes
 This will end my troubleshooting for now.
 @TrojusVerbulo, Here. Have this cyanide. It's free
 @kz6fittycent, Port Daddy Dad's got yer back
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/ysCEt1QT.mp4
 @dohbee, yeah I fell asleep, but can explain. Programs built using the VitaSDK generate a .vpk file, a homebrew to install on a Vita or PSTV (home console variant). I've done this on both a desktop and the tablet, albeit with simple tutorial sample code. Not yet with VitaShell though. That's a file manager which I want to fork
[04:47] <ubptgbot>  to build up some software dev/tinkerer experience. It's certainly capable of running on Linux.
 Or rather, compiling on it. And I don't think you can generate .vpk programs natively on a Vita, much like software (homebrew or official) on almost any other games console.
 https://github.com/vitasdk
 Another student of the project's code gave me a merged version which I will try to build after work today.
 (Photo, 1152x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/bfQlWhDc.png
 Oh shhhiii
 @Simone_M3S_M5Note, Hello Simone and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Danke 😉
 Cab ubuntu touch work on OPPO PHONES
 @Simone_M3S_M5Note, Wir haben auch eine deutschsprachige Gruppe: https://t.me/UBports_Deutsch
[07:10] <ubptgbot> arndot was added by: arndot
 @arndot, Hello Arndot and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @popescu_sorin, Well done Popescu! I play your game 👍 though I didn't try the updated one yet. By the way, why the plane is anchored to move only horizontally? Wouldn't be great to have more degrees of freedom?
 @mattbel10, it;s a bug in this case :D play "boss plane" level, that one shoud move all over the screen more or less
 so i have some free time this week, hopehully i'll manage to move the game from prototype to alpha :))
 maybe
 @popescu_sorin, Oh really? Didn't know that. But it's a bug due to the phone or something else? I have a BQ E5
 it's a bug in the game
 ah ok. So it's a know issue. Well, this game have a potential, so it would be amazing if you could find some spare time to finish it. Good job
 [Edit] ah ok. So it's a known issue. Well, this game have a potential, so it would be amazing if you could find some spare time to finish it. Good job
 [Edit] ah ok. So it's a known issue. Well, this game has a potential, so it would be amazing if you could find some spare time to finish it. Good job
 thanks!
[08:53] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> Does the terminal app auto-terminate whatever it is doing if you lock the screen?
 Not for me
 N5 stable
 @Jimmie Johnsson, It doesn't auto terminate with me, rather it does the equivalent of a CTRL-Z, thereby sending the process to the background. I often need to issue a 'fg' command when I unlock the screen.
 I'm on a BQ M10 FHD stable
 What does it says on uttt? … https://open-store.io/app/ut-tweak-tool.sverzegnassi (menu/apps/terminal/ the checkbox is disabled by default, you can enable, test again, fixed?)
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/PlsFqkg8.png
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/EW0kG69Q.png
 @arudy, @ArubIslander
 The checkbox is disabled. I will enable it and test again.
 Indeed, with the chekbox enabled it no longer pushes the current operation into the background.
 But frankly, I don't mind the default behaviour, since it probably conserves battery life when I forget to quit htop. :)
[10:27] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> Ahh so simple :)
[10:27] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> Thanks Ill try that
[10:28] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> I need to run the ut tweak app and make some change?
 good morning. I would like to reinstall UT on my FP2, as I have issues with unlocking my second SIM card. I'd like to backup my adressbook and my messages. is this just copying and later pasting some files? If so, where can I find them?
 @Jimmie Johnsson, yes, follow @arudy's instructions
 I already did adb pull for my Pictures, Dosuments, Downloads etc, so I'd like to pull my adressbook and my messages, too
[10:30] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> Sure would be nice to have the option right in the terminal app, seems like a logical settings option
 @Jimmie Johnsson, It is not a native friendly option, since it will kill the story designed for app: Don't use batteries when not focus or use a service
 That's why you run uttt with a password prompt. Would not be safe to prompt on all apps for example
[10:56] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> @arudy you been working with the terminal app?
[10:59] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> I think it would make sense to have that option. Either the terminal app should not let the phone go into lock mode while it is running a process or it should be possible for it to keep running the task when the screen is turned off. I think the later with an option would be the best. Of course you need to make it obvious to
[10:59] <ubptgbot>  the user what the setting means and it should be easy to turn on off. But to force users to not do what they want and hide it away in a UT tweak app seems like a strange design to me
 The real design should not to have that optipne, that's the point of having uttt for the while to do that
 No option to enable it, because a service the app could use in the background should handle that kind of thing.
 That's because there are obviously no deadline/target for such service that some app are crearly made unconfinned for the while (such as rockwork for example)
 Well, that's my understanding of thing ^^
[12:02] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> I still think its a bit of an odd design choice to exclude it. But I havent had a look at how UT tweaks actually solves this. I guess I should raise a request for it or just try and do it myself if I want that feature though )
 @Daniel, You can do that easier with Syncthing
 If you sync the folder /home/phablet/.local/share/evolution you get addresses, calendar, etc.
 I'm not sure where the messages are though
 If you don't mind the clutter, you could even backup the entire /home/phablet folder
 @Jimmie Johnsson, Technicly, it will just whitelist the app to be not frozen when unfocused. And the reason why you would do that is probably because the app dont know how to keep doing what it does when unfocused. One common usecase is launching the youtube webapp, start a music playlist, focus telegram or just put phone in you
[12:20] <ubptgbot> r pocket, sound stops. Because the webapp obviously doesnt use the media service to stream the sound like it would have done with other app such as music or cloud music.
 @wayneoutthere, Yeah, exactly but funds for fun are short
[12:24] <cariveri> Hi. Is there a way to upgrade on the ubuntu-phone ? I still got OS 15.04 OTA-15 with pretty old browser.
 @wayneoutthere, I need to just break down, find the funds to go buy an old android from a local pawn and port that bitch to UB
 @cariveri, If i'm not wrong, you can use the ubports installer and uncheck the wipe option, but choose 16.04 (dev, not stable  ☢☣), if your device is compatible yet
 @Gorsh2, Gold idea, tank you, but unfortunately I was too impatient. I'll remember  next time. Maybe I pulled the evolution folder, too.
 Good
 i keep that one always sync'd, so I don't have to worry about adressbook losses
[12:33] <cariveri> ubptgbot: Seems the ubuntu store is unreachable and I dont see an ubports installer anywhere.
 https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer
 @Jimmie Johnsson, terminal-app has been originally designed to perform small maintenance operations. It wasn't even shipped by default in the OS, since it's (obviously) not compatible with the UT security model. The only app that has been authorized to work in background is music-app, due to some platform limitations.
 There is no odd design, since UT Tweak Tool is a 3rd party app. We've inherited an OS where phones were meant to be phones, while now there is a (legit) expectation to treat them a bit more as pocket PCs. We're still transitioning to support this new scenario better.
 I believe we could consider terminal-app as a full exception to the standard model now, and so add an option to allow execution of the app in background, as you suggest. Feel free to open a report at: https://github.com/ubports/terminal-app
[12:42] <ubptgbot> <Jimmie Johnsson> @sverzegnassi cool, yeah I can understand that it was like this before but it defently feels like today, it is used (by some users, not all, but a large group) as you say - a pocket pc. And as such, would make sense to have an option setting to keep the terminal app running even after you lock the screen. I will try and reme
[12:42] <ubptgbot> mber to log a request when I get back home. … I used it today to feed top process in to a file to see what processes where being ran and consuming cpu power while in locked mode. So i needed it to be able to keep top alive while the screen was locked
[13:01] <cariveri> ubptgbot: tried to start the installer from source. Didnt work due to node.js spawn error ENOENT, tmp file doesnt exist ? Its getting to the point of "installer is starting up".
[13:01] <cariveri> ls
[13:09] <lSDriim> ZeroPointEnergy: You are here?
[13:09] <ZeroPointEnergy> @ISDriim yes
[13:10] <lSDriim> ZeroPointEnergy: Great I so you messages in telegram))) I tryed to run test_gps in my arm64 rootfs and it works
[13:10] <ZeroPointEnergy> Ah nice. Yes there seams to be no 32bit binary for it :-)
[13:13] <lSDriim> ZeroPointEnergy: Now I trying to build halium for Galaxy S7 and have some problems. Device is booted, but android lxc did not start and ssh connection hangs after about 30 seconds of works. All your patches were merged, may be I miss some thing?
[13:15] <ZeroPointEnergy> ah yes, you have to revert the patch "shutup driver" :-) it seams that makes everything go crazy
[13:16] <ZeroPointEnergy> or did I already push that?
[13:18] <ZeroPointEnergy> I also had some serious problems with journald which was blocking startup, had to mask it
[13:20] <lSDriim> ZeroPointEnergy: Already pushed.
[13:21] <lSDriim> ZeroPointEnergy: I will rebuild all and try again
[13:22] <lSDriim> ZeroPointEnergy: Do you have problems with fuelgauge driver?
[13:22] <ZeroPointEnergy> the only thing I can think of that may is not pushed is the udev rules file
[13:23] <ZeroPointEnergy> Yeah that was a problem, but since halium-boot it seams to be quiet again. Or not entierly sure what the change was that fixed it
 You will be able to find help with install in the Welcome & Install room https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 <cariveri> ubptgbot: tried to start the installer from source. Didnt work due to node.js spawn error ENOENT, tmp file doesnt exist ? Its getting to the point of "installer is starting up".You will be able to find help with install in the Welcome & Install room https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 @Jimmie Johnsson, Sure thing. Thank you for reporting also your use case, that's a great feedback!
 [Edit] @<cariveri> ubptgbot: tried to start the installer from source. Didnt work due to node.js spawn error ENOENT, tmp file doesnt exist ? Its getting to the point of "installer is starting up".You will be able to find help with install in the Welcome & Install room https://t.me/WelcomePlus
[13:29] <ZeroPointEnergy> @ISDriim how did you build the 64bit rootfs?
[13:37] <lSDriim> ZeroPointEnergy: Now I am playing with Tizen. So I builded Tizen 4.0 for arm64, after copy to phone system folder from Android and build libhybris for arm64 and run some tests, but it seems that libhybris need Android HAL init, so I found Halium when searched how to run Android HAL init inside normal linux =)
[13:42] <lSDriim> So anyone build 64 bit systemimage?
 @TartanSpartan, well, as i said, it doesn't look like the project tree is meant to be built on linux, or that anyone has ever tested doing so. it's only meant to be built on windows under msys2 afaict.
 @UniversalSuperBox that pastebin looks like stuff is not able to connect to dbus. the session bus is probably failing to start for some reason
 @dohbee, Any specific logfiles I should look at for dbus?
 @UniversalSuperBox, `~/.cache/upstart/dbus.log`iirc
 @UniversalSuperBox, [Edit] `~/.cache/upstart/dbus.log` iirc
 @dohbee, Hmm. It's completely silent.
 hmmm
 so yeah, dbus-daemon is definitely failing to start for some reason then
 Oh, there's stuff in there
 It's just not saying anything new
 and `dbus-monitor` shows a bungh of logspam
 oh
 how are you trying to start the dash then? it should be getting started by upstart
 account-polld keeps bouncing. Let me see if that's something I can stop.
 If it starts normally, it bounces continuously.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/bycinL8n.mp4
 ok, you should be able to `stop unity8-dash` and `stop account-polld` i think
[14:28] <cariveri> hey :) just installed the ubuntu touch onto my ubuntu phone bq aquaris E5 (without wiping). but the open store(no images=> unusable), as well as previous apps(crashing)  dont work properly.
 Phew, that's a little better.
 Seems like this just keeps happening over and over: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2vG9wZN8Pm/
 cariveri, you installed 16.04?
 That's a development image. 15.04 is usable, just built on old technology.
 @UniversalSuperBox, that looks like dbus-daemon keeps restarting or something
 and that src/thread.cpp error is from zmq
 Note to self: do not `stop dbus`
 The watchdog will not allow it
 heh
 Maybe if I stop lightdm first it won't do that
 @UniversalSuperBox, no, `libunity-scopes.so` comes from `lp:unity-scopes-api`
 i think there's a repo on github, but not under the ubports umbrella
 @UniversalSuperBox, i doubt it, lightdm would be outside the scope of user session
 Seems to be okay with it. Lightdm isn't running, nor is dbus
 Wow... the dash is noisy over dbus
 Are you unable to follow the supergroup chats because of lack of knowledge?  Don't worry!  There is a News Channel dedicated to making sure you don't miss the important updates.  It's just one click away: https://t.me/ubports_news
[14:45] <cariveri> please help. if the open app store doesnt work, im screwed.
 Use the installer to install 15.04/stable
 @wayneoutthere, no. mostly because telegram constantly gets out of sync
[14:46] <cariveri> UniversalSuperBox yes. I installed 16.04 in order to get a newer browser.
 16.04 only has the development channel because it's not ready for daily use yet.
 @cariveri, the browser is not really newer. it's a deceptive facade
 not sure what you want out of the "newer" browser either, but it also doesn't work well in 16.04 yet either
 `sudo dbus-monitor "interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.NameOwnerChanged" --system` would show me if dbus was stopping and starting, right?
[14:49] <cariveri> ok. got it. so I my reinstall 15.04 :(
 well, that would be the system bus, so not unless the system dbus was doing so
 Ah, and running it for the user session says "Faield to open connection"
 and i don't think that's an interface, it's a signal
 @UniversalSuperBox, because I was using sudo. Ignore that.
 lol, launchpad thinks i am the only contributor to unity-scopes-api now. wtf
 Ah okay, lots of this event: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8mjbBfk6yw/
 yeah
 that sounds like upstart is restarting a lot
 is emitter always upstart there, or lots of other emitters too?
 waits for phone to start back up
 The sender is always Upstart
 ok, that's definitely not good
 I think the second one here is actually dbus doing it: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wXh6sfVJSq/
[14:59] <cariveri> "ADB failed to reboot!" when trying to reinstall 15.04 :(
 What are you installing it with/
 anyway, have a meeting now
[15:00] <cariveri> ubports
[15:01] <cariveri> it worked the first time installing 16.04
 Can you just reboot the phone to fastboot?
[15:02] <cariveri> rebooting device normally.
[15:06] <cariveri> device came up normally and still ubports is reporting Adb failed to reboot!
 Is developer mode on
[15:08] <cariveri> yes, but cant verify again, cause even the sys settings now crash.
 Can you hold the power and volume down buttons to boot into the bootloader
 lSDriim, systemimage is built mixed 64-bit/32-bit already
 it should work with 64-bit libhybris
[15:57] <ubptgbot> chamil007 was added by: chamil007
 hi
 i would like to know why the usb ports installer not recognize the cellphone
 @chamil007, which specific phone? in what mode is the phone booted? what OS are you running ubports installer on top of?
 nexus 5
 its in boot mode
 and it just show
 (Photo, 798x109) https://irc.ubports.com/CIRVV73w.png
 also, if you join https://t.me/WelcomePlus they will perhaps be able to help you better with install issues in there
 @chamil007, try booting to recovery, or to the OS with developer mode and usb debugging enabled.
 when i boot in recover
 i get error
 -1
 poweroff the device and go to fastboot mode
[16:05] <cariveri> UniversalSuperBox I dont get it. power + vol.down  give me : factory mode -> reboot , but ubports doesnt respond to it, as it did the first time.
 then selecting manually your device you should have no problem... but yes... join the welcome chat
 @chamil007, Welcome, there is a video tutorial to install https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuLFTGkuD68&t=86s
 i get i think i have to fix recovery mode or smth
 (Photo, 787x802) https://irc.ubports.com/x1Z01HGF.png
[16:17] <cariveri> LarraeMikel I have seen tht video , it assumes android and other device. it bq aquaris e5 ubuntu edition. there is nothing like "fastboot" option or so. when I hold power+vol.down there is a factory mode screen offering test, reboot, power off.
 hold power + vol.up + vol.down
 and then try in terminal  … $ fastboot devices
 It should list your device.
 @dohbee thought I'd give you some closure on the issue. It seems like the problem is in the absolutely abysmal armhf compatibility in the 5X's kernel.
[16:25] <bshah> 5X? kernel?
[16:25] <bshah> ssup?
 You're running arm64 rootfs on the 5X, right?>
[16:27] <bshah> no
 Hmm
[16:29] <bshah> tbh you're blaming kernel quite uselessly... :P
[16:30] <cariveri> gosh. I saw that menu for a second. recovery, fastboot, normal boot. but the ursor was jumping so tht I could not controle it.
 bshah, I mean, do you have any other ideas for rsyslogd doing nothing and saying nothing followed by all the other weird errors that just don't happen on any other device, including the Moto G5 Plus, which is an arm64 running in armhf compatibility?
[16:40] <cariveri> LarreaMikel "fastboot device"  was waiting for any device but nothing happened. still trying to select the fastboot option.
[16:41] <bshah> @UniversalSuperBox: I've some rough ideas but I need to hook up my serial cable to get idea of what is going on
[16:41] <bshah> @UniversalSuperBox, also if you noticed in #halium 5X is not only device wiht that issue
[16:41] <bshah> so it seems to be general issue with smething else
[16:42] <bshah> ZeroPointEnergy's device had same issue, he had to disable syslog and journald to get booting
[16:42] <bshah> and that is not even same kernel version IIRc
[16:42] <bshah> so blaming to kernel is meh at this pont
[16:42] <bshah> *point
[16:43] <bshah> and fwiw, rsyslog and journald works quite fine on pm rootfs :P
[16:43] <bshah> so there you go
 Well alright then
 I've been told
[16:47] <cariveri> ok. now it seems to work again. phew installing...
 good
 i got now
 (Photo, 753x559) https://irc.ubports.com/7B0O9SI7.png
 but cell is turning on & off
[16:59] <ubptgbot> <oleg sokolov> hi!
[16:59] <ubptgbot> <oleg sokolov> is it possible to run UBports on GPD Pocket?
 likely it's possible to run Unity 8 on Ubuntu
 on GDP Pocket
 @oleg sokolov, Hi Oleg, unfortunately I guess it's a solid no. Please check the supported devices by clicking on the UBports Supergroup overhead and by clicking on "Supported devices"
 @oleg sokolov, [Edit] Hi Oleg, unfortunately I guess it's a solid no. Please check the supported devices by clicking on the UBports Supergroup overhead description and by clicking on "Supported devices"
 I think somebody is currently porting to that device, but it's not yet ready
 Hi!  … Can I install (or try install) Ubuntu Touch on meizu pro 6?
 @tigrankharatyan, You'll have to port it, so nope, currently you can't test it
 @tigrankharatyan, See https://devices.ubports.com/#/ for a list of supported/in-development devices
 @Ellenjott, Pity
 Can anyone figure out what the problem is here:
 "TTerminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::filesystem::filesystem_error' …   what():  boost::filesystem::remove: Permission denied: "/run/aethercast" … Aborted (core dumped)"
 *Terminate
 It wasn't allowed to remove /run/aethercast
 But... why would I want to remove it? I want to run it via CLI.
 well what gave you that error exactly?
 and what does "via CLI" mean exactly? over ssh? in terminal app?
 as root?
 In terminal app.
 I ran "aethercast" and it spat out that error on me.
 what exactly did you run?
 Exactly that one word command.
 Strange because it was working fine two days ago.
 hmm, ok
 Not sure how I ended the session, not that that should really matter.
 Oh damn. It's actually aethercastctl to start the service. Dammit!
 yeah, i was pretty sure the thing that actually does stuff has to be run as root
 Hmmmm
 thercastctl> scan … aethercastctl> Failed to scan:GDBus.Error:org.aethercast.Error.NotReady: Not ready
[17:42] <ubptgbot> H S was added by: H S
 Ah, from an old conversation @mariogrip participated in, you need to prompt "enable" on it first.
 One thing which would be cool is if you guys can enable a command history on aethercast for the next OTA, making this less of a hassle and smoother. Take note @Flohack @UniversalSuperBox @mariogrip @neothethird
 :) Thanks brothers!
 What?
 Unlike the default shell in the terminal, on aethercast you can't scroll through previously inputted commands.
 file a bug?
 Noted.
 Also, using mircast this way for the Pro5, is there any way to achieve a side stage view for multitasking?
 miracast*
 you should be able to toggle between staged and windowed mode in the session indicator
 the gear-power icon in top right panel
 i don't think you can force one window to be staged while the rest are windows though, if that's what you're asking
 Right, but on the M10, I can three finger swipe one app to the side. Not so for this phone?
 well you can in staged mode, but i don't think you can do staged mode on the phone itself
 what happens if you toggle winodowed mode off with external display?
 I'm more familiar with the term "Desktop mode" and the on-off switch beside it. I prefer to keep it off to keep the windows full sized, and on M10 do side stage view.
 ok
 I know it would be foolish to show side stage on a phone screen, but hopefully it is achievable (or can be achieved in later updates) to do on an external display.
 and it doesn't do staged mode with external screen on pro 5?
 it should work on external display. if it doesn't, that's a bug
 Not AFAIK, because doing the three finger swipe seems a little weird/awkward when the phone's screen is now functioning as a touchpad for the external display. Will try again though.
 No, it seems to register it as single finger actions such as hold.
 Looking forward to the insight of any convergence gurus.
 ok, i don't know if multi-touch gestures work in that case
[18:18] <ubptgbot> Kurt Debrouwer was added by: Kurt Debrouwer
[18:19] <ubptgbot> <Kurt Debrouwer> Trying to flash ubuntu touch to my nexus 5 with the UBports installer on my Mac but stuck on the "please reboot to bootloader" screen.
[18:19] <ubptgbot> <Kurt Debrouwer> What essential step am I missing?
 @Kurt Debrouwer, That happened to me too. Is it blocked or unblockeD?
[18:22] <ubptgbot> <Kurt Debrouwer> It is unblocked.  Found how to do that through the terminal.
 Mine was blocked. I followed these instructions to unblock: https://schier.co/blog/2013/11/09/how-to-root-nexus-5-in-linux.html
 Then, it got stucked twice while downloading. I just closed the installer and opened it again. Eache tme, the process would move on a little bit.
 [Edit] Then, it got stucked twice while downloading. I just closed the installer and opened it again. Each tme, the process would move on a little bit.
[18:24] <ubptgbot> <Kurt Debrouwer> okay
 Switching gears again, is it possible to cd into the home/phablet/ dir of the Libertine container rootfs via the phablet terminal? I get a permission denied, and if I go root, I can get in but the directory looks empty.
 I mean, I thought the phablet's permissions are superior to the container's, so it shouldn't have any issue browsing the container's version of home.
 Well, I sidestepped that by copying the relevant folder up a level.
 @TartanSpartan, I don't get why you want the side stage on a monitor, I think it's best to just use window snapping in desktop mode 😉
 I like the way multitasking works with that view. Standard windowed browsing isn't as powerful for me
[19:09] <ubptgbot> <Kurt Debrouwer> Ok, got one step further trying to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 5 phone.  The UBports app recognized the phone and turns the reboot interface on when I select the options and click continue.  Then it hangs...  (Trying to do this on a Mac).
[19:12] <ubptgbot> <Kurt Debrouwer> (Photo, 1280x1182) https://irc.ubports.com/g4jbioGY.png
 @Javacookies like right now on my M10 I'm browsing Synthwave EDM production on the wide window and running a stopwatch on the side one while my dinner cooks.
 @Kurt Debrouwer, On linux I would now say to check required packages and udev rules, no idea for mac though
 There's at least one senior OS developer here experienced with installing via Mac, right?
 I advise to join the Newcomer and Install Room
[19:47] <ubptgbot> <Kurt Debrouwer> @peternerlich ok, will do so
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOiviT0s3A
[20:04] <ubptgbot> fw190 was added by: fw190
 hi
 Heyo, welcome
 is 16.04 on mako stable enough to jump and be a beta tester for someone not very technical?
 Hey is WhatsApp working on Ubuntu touch ?
 @fw190, u can check supported devices in the group info
 @Pawangond, as far as i know there's nothing stable yet
 @anhedon, I have seen it already. it doesn't answer my question
 @anhedon, Thanks , will wait then , will buy new phone then start working Ubuntu on my current phone :)
 @fw190, oops, sorry then, i didnt understand that you mean the nexus 4
 I have used it on nexus 4 back in the Canonical days. Maybe now I could chip in some bug reporting but as I'm not very techie need some inside info weather it is stable enough
 bugs are reported manually yet and i dont know wether there is still need for betatesters for mako. but propably you will get a better informed answer when somebody has the time
 ok. thanks
[20:43] <ubptgbot> nukleer was added by: archi_dagac
 @fw190, it is stable enough that it boots and such, but many apps still don't work properly on 16.04, and it's not usable as a daily phone on 16.04. but if it's just a secondary phone for testing, then it should be doable, though many of the issues you will encounter are also already known
 @Pawangond, it's probably not likely that a native app will ever exist on ubuntu. best case will be if anbox works on your device, and you can use the android app; possibly without notifications or incoming calls or such
 Rodney, is it safe/is there a way to create a superuser within Libertine?
 @TartanSpartan, i don't understand the question. root already exists
 Within the Libertine container? Or the phablet system?
 both
 uid 0 must always exist
 Well, within a Libertine terminal, I get:
 sudo: /usr/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0 and have the setuid bit set
 right, the setuid bit is probably not set for some reason
 And how to?
 well i'm not sure why it wouldn't be set, given it's not a squashfs
 what are you trying to do exactly?
 Run.sh
 *sorry
 that doesn't tell me anything :)
 Yes, a typo. Run .sh scripts to build and install programs, without the phablet system having to babysit the process.
 ok, i'm not sure what the best advice to give you is, right now. my workstation is hanging in limbo at the moment, so i can't boot my vm and see what's what in libertine, until i get my upgrades working and the vm copied back over
 Fair enough. Could I just follow guides online based on desktop systems where setuid hasn't been properly set up?
 i don't know. "guides online" is a generally scary prospect, because a lot of that is just bad advice that someone gave on a forum post, and then lots of people end up following it
 Ok, then I'll wait for you or another expert here to figure it out.
 Maybe @DanChapman will know?
 may we have shownotes for audiocast now?
 Is there another developer with experience in go + qml on ubuntu touch?
 @nanu_c, I don't think the bindings are maintained. I'd avoid that combination.
 I ve learned that but signal-app is written in that combination. I think in a way of digital subsitence it has to be done again in c++ and qml or js +qml
[23:32] <ubptgbot> <oleg sokolov> oh, thanx.. hope to port it someday.... and there's a group for gpdpocket - https://t.me/joinchat/Dr5MVxJQ6AipX5I0moZZnw