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jbichaRobert! where'd you go? :)02:57
dufluOh, Mesa 18 is in bionic proposed. Fun times ahead03:32
tjaaltonnot before it goes past NEW and compatible nvidia is there06:50
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:21
dufluMorning oSoMoN07:35
duflutjaalton, did 10-bit support make it in? I couldn't find commits07:35
duflu(new) commits07:36
oSoMoNgood afternoon duflu07:36
duflutjaalton, Sorry. Yes it seems it did. I was searching for the wrong string07:37
tjaaltonyup07:48
didrocksgood morning08:12
oSoMoNsalut didrocks, ça va?08:13
didrocksça va oSoMoN, et toi ?08:14
oSoMoNdidrocks, pas beaucoup dormi parce que Gaia a eu de la fièvre, mais ça va à peu près08:16
dufluMorning didrocks08:16
didrockshey duflu08:19
didrocksoSoMoN: oh :( hoping she gets better soon!08:19
oSoMoNshe's already much better, fever is gone already, but she stays home today just in case08:22
didrocksgood :)08:24
seb128good morning desktopers08:57
dufluMorning seb12808:58
thumpero/ duflu seb128 didrocks08:58
* thumper is back in his office for 10pm call08:58
thumperyay08:58
dufluHello thumper. I was going to say...08:58
thumper:)08:58
seb128hey duflu thumper08:59
didrockshey thumper09:00
didrocks10pm call, urgh :)09:00
seb128better than 3am!09:01
thumpertrue09:01
thumperwouldn't go to that09:01
seb128reminds me of the old times where we rotated team meetings by 6 hours every week to not be unfair to anyone09:01
LaneyOHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH09:01
seb128seems that Laney is back! ;)09:02
seb128Laney, oy oy oy, how are you?09:02
seb128had fun during your holidays ?09:02
Laneyhey seb12809:07
Laneyyes thanks, was good to hang out with desrt and see all the cool stuff09:08
Laneyalso get a bit better at snowboarding, was a bit painful though ;-)09:08
Laneyhow are you?09:08
seb128I'm good, have been sick again with fever/shivering/etc this w.e though09:08
seb128but it was shorter this time09:08
Laney:(09:09
Laneysick12809:09
seb128I'm better now though :)09:09
didrockswb Laney ;)09:09
Laneyhey didrocks!!!09:10
Laneyhow's it going?09:10
Laneyah, and happy valentines day ?09:10
didrocksLaney: I'm good, thanks09:10
didrocksglad you enjoyed your holidays :)09:10
Laneymerci merci09:13
oSoMoNsalut seb12809:14
oSoMoNwelcome back Laney09:14
seb128lut oSoMoN, en forme ?09:14
oSoMoNpas beaucoup dormi, mais on fait aller :)09:14
seb128oh ? qq de malade chez vous ?09:15
oSoMoNGaia a eu de la fièvre cette nuit, mais ça va déjà mieux09:15
LaneyNSA level encryption09:15
Laneymoin oSoMoN09:15
didrocks;)09:16
oSoMoN:)09:16
seb128oSoMoN, ok, bon ben c'est déjà ça09:16
seb128Laney, sorry :)09:16
oSoMoNgotta practice my French, or I'll forget completely09:16
didrocksubiquity minimal install is almost done, however the langpacks for thunderbird and libreoffice keep them installed… Hum, need to think about it09:16
seb128hum, annoying09:19
didrocksI'm afraid that even if we list them, they will be reinstalled anyway as marked "manually installed"09:20
didrocksor maybe not, if it's only a purge…09:20
didrockshum09:20
didrocksworth a try09:20
seb128we could change those packages to not pull into tb/libreoffice which is a bit hackish...09:23
seb128into->in09:23
didrocksyeah, anyway, let's try this first attempt already with explicit listing for now09:24
didrocksbut something to keep in mind with the various rootfs mounts as xnox wants in the future09:25
willcookeduflu, koza - Confirmed your theory.  After reboot, BT Speaker needs to be initiated from the PC *or* if I press the magic button.  Keyboard (K480) reconnects when I hit enter to start logging in (which I assume is the same as "pressing the special button")09:35
willcookeseb128, jibel ^09:35
willcookeSo for me that's a pass.09:35
willcooke(the good kind of pass)09:35
willcookehi Laney!09:36
* duflu is still testing09:36
seb128willcooke, thanks for testing, let's see how duflu's testing goes and we should be good to go09:37
willcookeohhhhhh. fiddle.09:39
willcookeI reinsalled this machine with Artful yesterday.  Ignore that09:39
seb128lol09:40
dufluArgh. Broken device. Let me fix that first09:45
Laneymfphfp09:56
Laneyhey willcooke09:56
dufluseb128, willcooke, koza, jibel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1747354/comments/910:07
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1747354 in bluez (Ubuntu) "Update bluez to version 5.48 in bionic" [Wishlist,In progress]10:07
seb128duflu, sounds good, thanks for doing the round of testing10:08
seb128duflu, and enjoy your evening :)10:08
willcookethanks duflu10:08
willcookeMy B iso is nearly downloaded10:08
* willcooke curses wifi10:08
willcookeI should do one of those Lunduke style "everything is wrong" videos about wifi and how terrible it is.10:09
dufluYeah. I have speeds working up to 700Mbps or so, and yet the latency is still too high for nice ssh typing. Still need ethernet10:10
willcookeduflu, on 5 or 2.4 ghz?10:12
willcooke2.4 is a swamp these days10:13
dufluwillcooke, 5GHz (which is implied by 700Mbps I think)10:13
willcookeoh, that's on wifi!?!?10:14
willcookeI figured gigabit ethernet10:15
dufluwillcooke, no that would be 1000Mbps (exactly)10:15
dufluwillcooke, time for a new router then? It will improve your life10:16
willcookeNot if you use cheap ass CCA cat5 it won't10:16
willcooke /furtive10:16
dufluNo, but it was hard finding CAT6 in white, to minimize ugliness10:17
willcookeduflu, my router is awesome:  https://www.whizzy.org/2015/05/multipathrouting-rasppi2/10:17
dufluwillcooke, maybe retask it to be awesome without wifi responsibility?10:18
dufluwillcooke, because your new-ish laptop will have Intel 8260/8265 or similar. That should get near 866Mbps easily10:19
willcookeduflu, Wifi issues are just because of where I move my office and the wifi AP while we had the builders in.  I'll be back on cat5(ish) in the next few months10:19
dufluOr 867Mbps10:20
* duflu is still in the habit of assuming things are multiples of 66MHz10:20
dufluOr sounding like it10:21
willcookeerm.  We're missing the map selector on the installer in Bionic.  Maybe that was removed because of the change around in orders of the screens so that the keyboard settings came before the encryption settigns?10:28
willcookedidrocks, relevant to your interests?10:29
willcookeignore, there it is10:29
willcookeas expected, moved later in the process10:29
jibelwillcooke, keyboard has been moved earlier10:30
willcookeI think map has also been moved later10:30
willcookebut what evs :)10:30
jibelit's right after the partitioning10:30
* duflu falls off chair10:32
didrockspfff, the ppas build are really slow today, doesn't help testing things quicker10:37
willcookeseb128, konrad11901 jibel - FWIW - My testing of the PPA is complete, and it's at least as good as 5.46 IMO.  Same re-connection story, So LGTM.11:21
willcookeI didnt do the full test, but I did test audio and keyboard)11:21
k_alamjbicha: Can this be merged ?11:22
k_alamhttps://code.launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/unity-settings-daemon/lp-1747154/+merge/33712111:22
seb128willcooke, thanks11:22
seb128Laney, do you know if there any easy way to get into an autopkg bionic/armhf env to try debug an issue?11:32
Laneydoes it need to be armhf or just lxd?11:32
seb128dunno, it's to try to debug dconf being blocked due to notify-osd/armhf failing11:33
seb128which I can't reproduce on a porter box11:34
seb128well that's artful11:34
seb128there is no bionic chroot11:34
seb128so trying to find another place/way to poke at it11:34
seb128I mean the porter only offers artful, not bionic11:35
Laneyalright, well yeah I'd try running on lxd locally11:37
Laneyautopkgtest-build-lxd and then autopkgtest ... --- lxd autopkgtest/ubuntu/bionic/amd6411:37
seb128Laney, thx11:38
Laneyif not then maybe we need to ask for bionic chroots there11:39
seb128right11:40
seb128thx Laney11:40
Laneygl!11:40
seb128thx11:40
seb128well I guess it doesn't hurt to ask for a bionic chroot in any case so still going to that as well11:41
jbichak_alam: uh, it looks like seb128 was already working on that merge proposal?11:41
jbichagood morning11:42
seb128k_alam, jbicha, I've be asked to review and did that, I don't plan to roll updates for unity components11:42
seb128I can do sponsoring if needed though11:42
k_alamjbicha: Yes, seb128 approved it but merge is still pending11:44
k_alamjbicha: I also asked you review this: https://code.launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/unity-control-center/uoa-panel/+merge/33761811:45
jbichak_alam: please use the "set commit message" field in those merge proposals. It's required by bileto11:54
jbichabileto's not required for Unity stuff any more, but if you're asking me to merge stuff, I'll probably use bileto :)11:54
k_alamjbicha: Ok. Done. :)11:59
tjaaltonuh, launching snaps seem to recreate Documents etc directories under LANG=C in my $HOME12:20
tjaaltonalready filed, bug 174671012:26
ubot5bug 1746710 in snapd (Ubuntu) "Snap creates redundant duplicate directories in home folder" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174671012:26
willcookelunchtime ALREADY?!  What's going on todya12:31
seb128yeah, same here12:32
seb128trying to wrap enough things to be able to eat something12:32
didrocksjibel: hey! if you can review/pass that to ubiquity active members: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubiquity/minimal-install/+merge/337698 and https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubiquity/minimal-package-list/+merge/33770012:49
didrocksjibel: this is an intermediate solution, still flexibale, but not the best. Looking at when the request was made and how much time we have for this cycle with other work, knowing we'll move to something completely different when transitioned with subiquity, I think this is our best shot12:50
jbichaLaney: Seb was wondering why we haven't updated glib in bionic to the 2.55 series yet12:52
LaneyNeeds merging afaik12:54
jbichaLaney: ok if I do it then?12:55
seb128jbicha, do you plan to do the recent gtk update btw?12:56
seb128jbicha, just in case you do please can you include https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/gtk/fix-1698270 ?12:57
Laneyjbicha: If the owner of the merge agrees, no objection from me. :-)12:59
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Laneywe should put that gtk commit into the gtk3 branch too so that it gets in the next release13:00
Laneywho is brave enough to commit it? :P13:00
jbichaI'm fearless, sometimes :)13:01
Laneyjbicha: & funnily enough I was just building glib13:03
willcookenow it really is lunch time, bbiab13:05
jbichaLaney: I have the bionic glib merge upload ready if I'm not interrupting you…13:06
LaneyI meant 2.55.213:07
jbichaok, let's do that first. btw, https://qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/vcswatch?package=glib2.0 doesn't like it when you have a newer version in experimental than in git HEAD13:10
jbichaone way to handle that is just to push new releases (experimental or not) to debian/master, the other is to change the "default branch" in gitlab13:11
jbichaa 3rd way is to add " -B debian/experimental" to the end of the Vcs-Git line13:12
Laneyprobably that one, I don't like making unstable not the development focus13:14
Laneybut I've never used that syntax, where is it documented please?13:14
Laneyand hmm, glib.git upstream looks a bit weird13:14
Laneylike the release didn't happen13:14
jbichayeah, at a minimum, it's missing a 2.55.2 release tag13:15
Laneythere's a commit missing to bump the versions too I think13:15
Laneythat's probably not going to be fun to fix13:16
jbichaI don't know of the -B syntax being documented. It works though (with the theory that you can just paste that line at the end of "git clone "13:16
jbichasuggest that mclasen just do a 2.55.3 release instead?13:17
Laneyi'll let him deal with that13:17
jbicha-B is used for https://qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/vcswatch?package=webkit2gtk13:18
Laneywonder what's going to happen when we get the next 2.55 now13:42
Laneythis tag's commit isn't on master13:42
Laneyfun :>13:42
jbichaI'm hoping it will work out ok13:43
jbichaI have to use the "git fetch -t" option for situations like this since "git fetch" won't pull tags like that by default13:44
Laneyyeah because it doesn't point at the branches git fetch will fetch13:47
ricotzhey desktopers13:50
ricotzcould someone cancel/retry  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.0.1-0ubuntu1/+build/1434579913:50
ricotzit seems to be stuck13:50
ricotzthe corresponding armhf build deserves a retry too imho (since it built in the ppa) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.0.1-0ubuntu1/+build/1434579813:53
kenvandinewb Laney!13:53
kenvandineLaney, no crutches? :-D13:53
didrocksricotz: done for both13:57
ricotzdidrocks, thanks13:57
Laneykenvandine: :D no, just a bruised bum13:58
* Laney started doing linked turns13:58
Laneyfalling there can be fast ;-)13:58
kenvandineLaney, awesome14:04
Laneyjust in time for the winter olympics14:06
Laney#goldmedal14:06
oSoMoNricotz, I'd swear the i386 build was complete when I checked earlier this morning, has it been re-tried?14:07
seb128Laney, do you know what's the right way/place to request that porter box update? #is ? RT? other channel?14:07
ricotzoSoMoN, it built for 22 hours and was stuck14:08
oSoMoNricotz, I was looking at the armhf failure but I'm not seeing anything obvious, so I'm +1 for a retry14:08
oSoMoNah nevermind it's already been retried14:08
oSoMoNthanks didrocks14:08
* oSoMoN reads backlog14:08
Laneyseb128: I'd file an RT ticket14:09
seb128Laney, that's what I was thinking, #is isn't working, thx!14:09
oSoMoNdidrocks, my default session is "Ubuntu", and when I reboot my machine and click the sessions dropdown at the login screen, the first one ("GNOME") is selected (although if I don't change anything and proceed with login, it actually logs me into the "Ubuntu" session)14:50
oSoMoNknown bug?14:50
seb128oSoMoN, yes14:50
oSoMoNgood14:51
didrocksindeed, it sounds like GDM has multiple lists :/14:51
didrocksif you want to have a look, that happened because it fallbacked to the default session14:51
didrockswhich is "ubuntu"14:51
oSoMoNseb128, didrocks : is there a bug report already, or should I file one?14:51
didrocksbut gdm doesn't match the dropdown (UI part)14:51
didrocksI didn't file one, please feel free :)14:51
seb128somebody mentioned it the other day14:51
oSoMoNok, will do now14:51
didrocksI did before uploading14:51
didrocksnot sure if this is what seb128 remembers of :)14:51
seb128oSoMoN, it sounds similar to bug #1738389 to me but I don't know if it's the same code defect14:52
ubot5bug 1738389 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Adding a second user and logging in to the Ubuntu session gives the GNOME session" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173838914:52
seb128didrocks, no, I know you mentioned it, but I think somebody asking about it here as well14:52
didrocksas it doesn't impact the default session selection, no reason to push back on setting back Xorg as default14:52
didrocksok14:52
oSoMoNgotta handle LO backports for xenial and trusty so I can't look into fixing it now, but I can pick it up later if it's still up for grabs14:52
didrocksoSoMoN: yeah, no hurry I think, the correct session is still selected if you don't click the gear menu (and even if you click it and don't select anything)14:52
didrocksthe reproducer is really easy: select a session, remove it & reboot14:52
didrockscrazy that the selected session backend and frontend aren't in sync :/14:53
seb128seems it was x_nox on monday14:53
didrocksseb128: I think bug #1738389 was the same issue. it's not valid now as I set the default to "Ubuntu" though14:53
ubot5bug 1738389 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Adding a second user and logging in to the Ubuntu session gives the GNOME session" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173838914:53
seb128didrocks, right, might be the same code issue behind both I meant14:54
didrocksyes, just telling that you won't reproduce the exact same scenario due to my patch changing the default14:54
seb128right, good point14:54
seb128oSoMoN, anyway, your choice to open a new bug or update that existing one/repurpose it14:55
oSoMoNseb128, not the same bug, if I read it correctly, as it doesn't involve a second user and the correct session is used, it's only the list display that doesn't reflect it14:57
oSoMoNI'll file a new one14:57
seb128k14:57
seb128oSoMoN, I don't think the second user is a factor in that bug, it's just that it's a fresh state14:57
didrocksyes, no valid session selected and never clicked on the dropdown to select one is the bug IMHO14:58
oSoMoNdidrocks, bug #174948115:10
ubot5bug 1749481 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Wrong session marked as selected in session dropdown on login screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174948115:10
didrockssweet! thx15:10
seb128oSoMoN, thx, bonus point if you upstream it :)15:13
oSoMoNseb128, will do in a moment, gotta file another couple of bugs in the LO snap first15:14
seb128oSoMoN, thx15:14
oSoMoNkenvandine, would you mind confirming bug #1749484 ?15:35
ubot5bug 1749484 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] fail to launch after logging in to a wayland session then back into an X11 session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174948415:35
GunnarHjjbicha, seb128: There is still a problem with gnome-sudoku translations:15:38
GunnarHjhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-sudoku/+bug/1734545/comments/415:38
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1734545 in gnome-sudoku (Ubuntu) "Translations not updated from upstream" [High,Confirmed]15:38
seb128GunnarHj, that sounds like a launchpad question, maybe wgrant on #ubuntu-devel is a better to ask about why the .po didn't make it to the import queue15:41
GunnarHjseb128: Ok, I'll ask him.15:42
oSoMoNseb128, didrocks : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79345615:42
ubot5Gnome bug 793456 in general "Wrong session marked as selected in session dropdown on login screen" [Normal,New]15:42
seb128GunnarHj, thx15:42
seb128oSoMoN, great, thx!15:42
didrocksoSoMoN: I've linked the downstream report to the upstream one FYI. Thanks!15:43
didrocksoSoMoN: FYI, it's "also affect projects" -> enter the bugzilla url15:43
seb128GunnarHj, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/gnome-sudoku has " This source package is sharing translations with GNOME Sudoku stable series. " which I wonder if that's the issue15:44
oSoMoNdidrocks, thanks, I knew that but I forgot to do it15:44
GunnarHjseb128: Yeah, I thought about that too, but syncronization is not enabled. Do you think that removing that upstream link completely can make a difference?15:46
seb128who knows15:46
GunnarHj:)15:47
seb128if wgrant doesn't reply I can try that15:47
kenvandineoSoMoN, in a bit15:47
kenvandinecan't logout right now :)15:47
kenvandineoSoMoN, what happens if you reboot?15:48
kenvandineand what is $XDG_SESSION_TYPE set to?15:49
oSoMoNkenvandine, it's fixed with a reboot15:53
oSoMoNkenvandine, let me capture the full env before and after to compare15:54
oSoMoNkenvandine, XDG_SESSION_TYPE hasn't changed, it's "x11"15:56
oSoMoNpotentially relevant changes (before/after): https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gVYj5mQ2Mj/16:00
kenvandineoSoMoN, interesting16:04
kenvandineoSoMoN, so some env variables are being appended too?16:04
kenvandinereplication there :)16:04
oSoMoNyes16:05
kenvandineoSoMoN, do you see a wayland socket in /run/user/`id -u`/16:06
kenvandinewhen in the x11 session16:06
* kenvandine is wondering if things aren't being cleaned up16:06
kenvandinealthough that wouldn't explain the weird env variable replication16:07
oSoMoN$ ls -l /run/user/`id -u`/wayland*16:07
oSoMoNsrwxrwxr-x 1 osomon osomon 0 févr. 14 16:54 /run/user/1000/wayland-016:07
oSoMoN-rw-rw---- 1 osomon osomon 0 févr. 14 16:54 /run/user/1000/wayland-0.lock16:07
oSoMoNindeed16:07
kenvandineoSoMoN, so the helpers are seeing the socket and trying to connect to wayland16:08
oSoMoNand sure enough, removing those files "fixes" the issue16:08
GunnarHjseb128: No quick reply from wgrant. Trying without that link appears to be worth a try. I can remove the link, but I can't re-upload...16:09
kenvandineseb128, ^^ have you seen issues with the wayland socket being left around?16:09
seb128kenvandine, I didn't no16:09
kenvandineoSoMoN, you are on bionic right?16:09
seb128GunnarHj, right, I can do another upload to see how it goes16:09
kenvandinei can't logout right now, i have a cleanbuild running :)16:10
GunnarHjseb128: Great! Link gone.16:10
oSoMoNkenvandine, yes, that's on bionic16:10
kenvandineoSoMoN, the helpers should probably check for the existence of the socket and XDG_SESSION_TYPE16:11
kenvandinejust to prevent this sort of issue16:11
kenvandinebut that's not the actual problem16:11
kenvandinethat socket shouldn't be left around16:11
oSoMoNkenvandine, when you're done with your cleanbuild, please try and reproduce, I'd like to know if it's a general problem or only my setup that's busted somehow16:11
kenvandineoSoMoN, will do16:11
oSoMoNcheers16:12
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kenvandineoSoMoN, sorry, i haven't forgotten... had a tweak and building again17:56
kenvandinealmost done though :)17:56
oSoMoNkenvandine, no worries17:56
oSoMoNI'll very soon be EOD, I hope to catch up with sleep tonight, please comment on the bug17:57
kenvandineoSoMoN, will do17:57
oSoMoNthat's it for today, have a good evening everyone!18:16
willcookeok, I'm off too, night all18:37
kenvandinerobert_ancell, i've got a build of gnome-software as a snap now21:34
kenvandinethat works well with categories21:34
kenvandinehttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ken-vandine/gnome-software_git_amd64.snap21:35
kenvandinerobert_ancell, if you'd like to play with it :)21:35
kenvandinecurrently only has snap and apt backends21:35
kenvandinei disabled fwupd21:35
kenvandinerobert_ancell, and i've requested classic confinement for the store https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/classic-confinement-request-for-gnome-software/401521:36
robert_ancellkenvandine \o/21:49
robert_ancellkenvandine, not in the store yet?21:50
robert_ancellkenvandine, also did you decide not to call it ubuntu-software?21:51
kenvandine[m][m]robert_ancell: the current plan is to leave it gnome-software and build it with a bunch of backends21:57
robert_ancellkenvandine the backends are different snaps?22:00

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