[02:57] <jbicha> Robert! where'd you go? :)
[03:32] <duflu> Oh, Mesa 18 is in bionic proposed. Fun times ahead
[06:50] <tjaalton> not before it goes past NEW and compatible nvidia is there
[07:21] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:35] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:35] <duflu> tjaalton, did 10-bit support make it in? I couldn't find commits
[07:36] <duflu> (new) commits
[07:36] <oSoMoN> good afternoon duflu
[07:37] <duflu> tjaalton, Sorry. Yes it seems it did. I was searching for the wrong string
[07:48] <tjaalton> yup
[08:12] <didrocks> good morning
[08:13] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, ça va?
[08:14] <didrocks> ça va oSoMoN, et toi ?
[08:16] <oSoMoN> didrocks, pas beaucoup dormi parce que Gaia a eu de la fièvre, mais ça va à peu près
[08:16] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[08:19] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:19] <didrocks> oSoMoN: oh :( hoping she gets better soon!
[08:22] <oSoMoN> she's already much better, fever is gone already, but she stays home today just in case
[08:24] <didrocks> good :)
[08:57] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:58] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:58] <thumper> o/ duflu seb128 didrocks
[08:58]  * thumper is back in his office for 10pm call
[08:58] <thumper> yay
[08:58] <duflu> Hello thumper. I was going to say...
[08:58] <thumper> :)
[08:59] <seb128> hey duflu thumper
[09:00] <didrocks> hey thumper
[09:00] <didrocks> 10pm call, urgh :)
[09:01] <seb128> better than 3am!
[09:01] <thumper> true
[09:01] <thumper> wouldn't go to that
[09:01] <seb128> reminds me of the old times where we rotated team meetings by 6 hours every week to not be unfair to anyone
[09:01] <Laney> OHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[09:02] <seb128> seems that Laney is back! ;)
[09:02] <seb128> Laney, oy oy oy, how are you?
[09:02] <seb128> had fun during your holidays ?
[09:07] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:08] <Laney> yes thanks, was good to hang out with desrt and see all the cool stuff
[09:08] <Laney> also get a bit better at snowboarding, was a bit painful though ;-)
[09:08] <Laney> how are you?
[09:08] <seb128> I'm good, have been sick again with fever/shivering/etc this w.e though
[09:08] <seb128> but it was shorter this time
[09:09] <Laney> :(
[09:09] <Laney> sick128
[09:09] <seb128> I'm better now though :)
[09:09] <didrocks> wb Laney ;)
[09:10] <Laney> hey didrocks!!!
[09:10] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:10] <Laney> ah, and happy valentines day ?
[09:10] <didrocks> Laney: I'm good, thanks
[09:10] <didrocks> glad you enjoyed your holidays :)
[09:13] <Laney> merci merci
[09:14] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[09:14] <oSoMoN> welcome back Laney
[09:14] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[09:14] <oSoMoN> pas beaucoup dormi, mais on fait aller :)
[09:15] <seb128> oh ? qq de malade chez vous ?
[09:15] <oSoMoN> Gaia a eu de la fièvre cette nuit, mais ça va déjà mieux
[09:15] <Laney> NSA level encryption
[09:15] <Laney> moin oSoMoN
[09:16] <didrocks> ;)
[09:16] <oSoMoN> :)
[09:16] <seb128> oSoMoN, ok, bon ben c'est déjà ça
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, sorry :)
[09:16] <oSoMoN> gotta practice my French, or I'll forget completely
[09:16] <didrocks> ubiquity minimal install is almost done, however the langpacks for thunderbird and libreoffice keep them installed… Hum, need to think about it
[09:19] <seb128> hum, annoying
[09:20] <didrocks> I'm afraid that even if we list them, they will be reinstalled anyway as marked "manually installed"
[09:20] <didrocks> or maybe not, if it's only a purge…
[09:20] <didrocks> hum
[09:20] <didrocks> worth a try
[09:23] <seb128> we could change those packages to not pull into tb/libreoffice which is a bit hackish...
[09:23] <seb128> into->in
[09:24] <didrocks> yeah, anyway, let's try this first attempt already with explicit listing for now
[09:25] <didrocks> but something to keep in mind with the various rootfs mounts as xnox wants in the future
[09:35] <willcooke> duflu, koza - Confirmed your theory.  After reboot, BT Speaker needs to be initiated from the PC *or* if I press the magic button.  Keyboard (K480) reconnects when I hit enter to start logging in (which I assume is the same as "pressing the special button")
[09:35] <willcooke> seb128, jibel ^
[09:35] <willcooke> So for me that's a pass.
[09:35] <willcooke> (the good kind of pass)
[09:36] <willcooke> hi Laney!
[09:36]  * duflu is still testing
[09:37] <seb128> willcooke, thanks for testing, let's see how duflu's testing goes and we should be good to go
[09:39] <willcooke> ohhhhhh. fiddle.
[09:39] <willcooke> I reinsalled this machine with Artful yesterday.  Ignore that
[09:40] <seb128> lol
[09:45] <duflu> Argh. Broken device. Let me fix that first
[09:56] <Laney> mfphfp
[09:56] <Laney> hey willcooke
[10:07] <duflu> seb128, willcooke, koza, jibel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1747354/comments/9
[10:08] <seb128> duflu, sounds good, thanks for doing the round of testing
[10:08] <seb128> duflu, and enjoy your evening :)
[10:08] <willcooke> thanks duflu
[10:08] <willcooke> My B iso is nearly downloaded
[10:08]  * willcooke curses wifi
[10:09] <willcooke> I should do one of those Lunduke style "everything is wrong" videos about wifi and how terrible it is.
[10:10] <duflu> Yeah. I have speeds working up to 700Mbps or so, and yet the latency is still too high for nice ssh typing. Still need ethernet
[10:12] <willcooke> duflu, on 5 or 2.4 ghz?
[10:13] <willcooke> 2.4 is a swamp these days
[10:13] <duflu> willcooke, 5GHz (which is implied by 700Mbps I think)
[10:14] <willcooke> oh, that's on wifi!?!?
[10:15] <willcooke> I figured gigabit ethernet
[10:15] <duflu> willcooke, no that would be 1000Mbps (exactly)
[10:16] <duflu> willcooke, time for a new router then? It will improve your life
[10:16] <willcooke> Not if you use cheap ass CCA cat5 it won't
[10:16] <willcooke>  /furtive
[10:17] <duflu> No, but it was hard finding CAT6 in white, to minimize ugliness
[10:17] <willcooke> duflu, my router is awesome:  https://www.whizzy.org/2015/05/multipathrouting-rasppi2/
[10:18] <duflu> willcooke, maybe retask it to be awesome without wifi responsibility?
[10:19] <duflu> willcooke, because your new-ish laptop will have Intel 8260/8265 or similar. That should get near 866Mbps easily
[10:19] <willcooke> duflu, Wifi issues are just because of where I move my office and the wifi AP while we had the builders in.  I'll be back on cat5(ish) in the next few months
[10:20] <duflu> Or 867Mbps
[10:20]  * duflu is still in the habit of assuming things are multiples of 66MHz
[10:21] <duflu> Or sounding like it
[10:28] <willcooke> erm.  We're missing the map selector on the installer in Bionic.  Maybe that was removed because of the change around in orders of the screens so that the keyboard settings came before the encryption settigns?
[10:29] <willcooke> didrocks, relevant to your interests?
[10:29] <willcooke> ignore, there it is
[10:29] <willcooke> as expected, moved later in the process
[10:30] <jibel> willcooke, keyboard has been moved earlier
[10:30] <willcooke> I think map has also been moved later
[10:30] <willcooke> but what evs :)
[10:30] <jibel> it's right after the partitioning
[10:32]  * duflu falls off chair
[10:37] <didrocks> pfff, the ppas build are really slow today, doesn't help testing things quicker
[11:21] <willcooke> seb128, konrad11901 jibel - FWIW - My testing of the PPA is complete, and it's at least as good as 5.46 IMO.  Same re-connection story, So LGTM.
[11:21] <willcooke> I didnt do the full test, but I did test audio and keyboard)
[11:22] <k_alam> jbicha: Can this be merged ?
[11:22] <k_alam> https://code.launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/unity-settings-daemon/lp-1747154/+merge/337121
[11:22] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[11:32] <seb128> Laney, do you know if there any easy way to get into an autopkg bionic/armhf env to try debug an issue?
[11:32] <Laney> does it need to be armhf or just lxd?
[11:33] <seb128> dunno, it's to try to debug dconf being blocked due to notify-osd/armhf failing
[11:34] <seb128> which I can't reproduce on a porter box
[11:34] <seb128> well that's artful
[11:34] <seb128> there is no bionic chroot
[11:34] <seb128> so trying to find another place/way to poke at it
[11:35] <seb128> I mean the porter only offers artful, not bionic
[11:37] <Laney> alright, well yeah I'd try running on lxd locally
[11:37] <Laney> autopkgtest-build-lxd and then autopkgtest ... --- lxd autopkgtest/ubuntu/bionic/amd64
[11:38] <seb128> Laney, thx
[11:39] <Laney> if not then maybe we need to ask for bionic chroots there
[11:40] <seb128> right
[11:40] <seb128> thx Laney
[11:40] <Laney> gl!
[11:40] <seb128> thx
[11:41] <seb128> well I guess it doesn't hurt to ask for a bionic chroot in any case so still going to that as well
[11:41] <jbicha> k_alam: uh, it looks like seb128 was already working on that merge proposal?
[11:42] <jbicha> good morning
[11:42] <seb128> k_alam, jbicha, I've be asked to review and did that, I don't plan to roll updates for unity components
[11:42] <seb128> I can do sponsoring if needed though
[11:44] <k_alam> jbicha: Yes, seb128 approved it but merge is still pending
[11:45] <k_alam> jbicha: I also asked you review this: https://code.launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/unity-control-center/uoa-panel/+merge/337618
[11:54] <jbicha> k_alam: please use the "set commit message" field in those merge proposals. It's required by bileto
[11:54] <jbicha> bileto's not required for Unity stuff any more, but if you're asking me to merge stuff, I'll probably use bileto :)
[11:59] <k_alam> jbicha: Ok. Done. :)
[12:20] <tjaalton> uh, launching snaps seem to recreate Documents etc directories under LANG=C in my $HOME
[12:26] <tjaalton> already filed, bug 1746710
[12:31] <willcooke> lunchtime ALREADY?!  What's going on todya
[12:32] <seb128> yeah, same here
[12:32] <seb128> trying to wrap enough things to be able to eat something
[12:49] <didrocks> jibel: hey! if you can review/pass that to ubiquity active members: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubiquity/minimal-install/+merge/337698 and https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubiquity/minimal-package-list/+merge/337700
[12:50] <didrocks> jibel: this is an intermediate solution, still flexibale, but not the best. Looking at when the request was made and how much time we have for this cycle with other work, knowing we'll move to something completely different when transitioned with subiquity, I think this is our best shot
[12:52] <jbicha> Laney: Seb was wondering why we haven't updated glib in bionic to the 2.55 series yet
[12:54] <Laney> Needs merging afaik
[12:55] <jbicha> Laney: ok if I do it then?
[12:56] <seb128> jbicha, do you plan to do the recent gtk update btw?
[12:57] <seb128> jbicha, just in case you do please can you include https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/gtk/fix-1698270 ?
[12:59] <Laney> jbicha: If the owner of the merge agrees, no objection from me. :-)
[13:00] <Laney> we should put that gtk commit into the gtk3 branch too so that it gets in the next release
[13:00] <Laney> who is brave enough to commit it? :P
[13:01] <jbicha> I'm fearless, sometimes :)
[13:03] <Laney> jbicha: & funnily enough I was just building glib
[13:05] <willcooke> now it really is lunch time, bbiab
[13:06] <jbicha> Laney: I have the bionic glib merge upload ready if I'm not interrupting you…
[13:07] <Laney> I meant 2.55.2
[13:10] <jbicha> ok, let's do that first. btw, https://qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/vcswatch?package=glib2.0 doesn't like it when you have a newer version in experimental than in git HEAD
[13:11] <jbicha> one way to handle that is just to push new releases (experimental or not) to debian/master, the other is to change the "default branch" in gitlab
[13:12] <jbicha> a 3rd way is to add " -B debian/experimental" to the end of the Vcs-Git line
[13:14] <Laney> probably that one, I don't like making unstable not the development focus
[13:14] <Laney> but I've never used that syntax, where is it documented please?
[13:14] <Laney> and hmm, glib.git upstream looks a bit weird
[13:14] <Laney> like the release didn't happen
[13:15] <jbicha> yeah, at a minimum, it's missing a 2.55.2 release tag
[13:15] <Laney> there's a commit missing to bump the versions too I think
[13:16] <Laney> that's probably not going to be fun to fix
[13:16] <jbicha> I don't know of the -B syntax being documented. It works though (with the theory that you can just paste that line at the end of "git clone "
[13:17] <jbicha> suggest that mclasen just do a 2.55.3 release instead?
[13:17] <Laney> i'll let him deal with that
[13:18] <jbicha> -B is used for https://qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/vcswatch?package=webkit2gtk
[13:42] <Laney> wonder what's going to happen when we get the next 2.55 now
[13:42] <Laney> this tag's commit isn't on master
[13:42] <Laney> fun :>
[13:43] <jbicha> I'm hoping it will work out ok
[13:44] <jbicha> I have to use the "git fetch -t" option for situations like this since "git fetch" won't pull tags like that by default
[13:47] <Laney> yeah because it doesn't point at the branches git fetch will fetch
[13:50] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[13:50] <ricotz> could someone cancel/retry  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.0.1-0ubuntu1/+build/14345799
[13:50] <ricotz> it seems to be stuck
[13:53] <ricotz> the corresponding armhf build deserves a retry too imho (since it built in the ppa) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.0.1-0ubuntu1/+build/14345798
[13:53] <kenvandine> wb Laney!
[13:53] <kenvandine> Laney, no crutches? :-D
[13:57] <didrocks> ricotz: done for both
[13:57] <ricotz> didrocks, thanks
[13:58] <Laney> kenvandine: :D no, just a bruised bum
[13:58]  * Laney started doing linked turns
[13:58] <Laney> falling there can be fast ;-)
[14:04] <kenvandine> Laney, awesome
[14:06] <Laney> just in time for the winter olympics
[14:06] <Laney> #goldmedal
[14:07] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I'd swear the i386 build was complete when I checked earlier this morning, has it been re-tried?
[14:07] <seb128> Laney, do you know what's the right way/place to request that porter box update? #is ? RT? other channel?
[14:08] <ricotz> oSoMoN, it built for 22 hours and was stuck
[14:08] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I was looking at the armhf failure but I'm not seeing anything obvious, so I'm +1 for a retry
[14:08] <oSoMoN> ah nevermind it's already been retried
[14:08] <oSoMoN> thanks didrocks
[14:08]  * oSoMoN reads backlog
[14:09] <Laney> seb128: I'd file an RT ticket
[14:09] <seb128> Laney, that's what I was thinking, #is isn't working, thx!
[14:50] <oSoMoN> didrocks, my default session is "Ubuntu", and when I reboot my machine and click the sessions dropdown at the login screen, the first one ("GNOME") is selected (although if I don't change anything and proceed with login, it actually logs me into the "Ubuntu" session)
[14:50] <oSoMoN> known bug?
[14:50] <seb128> oSoMoN, yes
[14:51] <oSoMoN> good
[14:51] <didrocks> indeed, it sounds like GDM has multiple lists :/
[14:51] <didrocks> if you want to have a look, that happened because it fallbacked to the default session
[14:51] <didrocks> which is "ubuntu"
[14:51] <oSoMoN> seb128, didrocks : is there a bug report already, or should I file one?
[14:51] <didrocks> but gdm doesn't match the dropdown (UI part)
[14:51] <didrocks> I didn't file one, please feel free :)
[14:51] <seb128> somebody mentioned it the other day
[14:51] <oSoMoN> ok, will do now
[14:51] <didrocks> I did before uploading
[14:51] <didrocks> not sure if this is what seb128 remembers of :)
[14:52] <seb128> oSoMoN, it sounds similar to bug #1738389 to me but I don't know if it's the same code defect
[14:52] <seb128> didrocks, no, I know you mentioned it, but I think somebody asking about it here as well
[14:52] <didrocks> as it doesn't impact the default session selection, no reason to push back on setting back Xorg as default
[14:52] <didrocks> ok
[14:52] <oSoMoN> gotta handle LO backports for xenial and trusty so I can't look into fixing it now, but I can pick it up later if it's still up for grabs
[14:52] <didrocks> oSoMoN: yeah, no hurry I think, the correct session is still selected if you don't click the gear menu (and even if you click it and don't select anything)
[14:52] <didrocks> the reproducer is really easy: select a session, remove it & reboot
[14:53] <didrocks> crazy that the selected session backend and frontend aren't in sync :/
[14:53] <seb128> seems it was x_nox on monday
[14:53] <didrocks> seb128: I think bug #1738389 was the same issue. it's not valid now as I set the default to "Ubuntu" though
[14:54] <seb128> didrocks, right, might be the same code issue behind both I meant
[14:54] <didrocks> yes, just telling that you won't reproduce the exact same scenario due to my patch changing the default
[14:54] <seb128> right, good point
[14:55] <seb128> oSoMoN, anyway, your choice to open a new bug or update that existing one/repurpose it
[14:57] <oSoMoN> seb128, not the same bug, if I read it correctly, as it doesn't involve a second user and the correct session is used, it's only the list display that doesn't reflect it
[14:57] <oSoMoN> I'll file a new one
[14:57] <seb128> k
[14:57] <seb128> oSoMoN, I don't think the second user is a factor in that bug, it's just that it's a fresh state
[14:58] <didrocks> yes, no valid session selected and never clicked on the dropdown to select one is the bug IMHO
[15:10] <oSoMoN> didrocks, bug #1749481
[15:10] <didrocks> sweet! thx
[15:13] <seb128> oSoMoN, thx, bonus point if you upstream it :)
[15:14] <oSoMoN> seb128, will do in a moment, gotta file another couple of bugs in the LO snap first
[15:14] <seb128> oSoMoN, thx
[15:35] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, would you mind confirming bug #1749484 ?
[15:38] <GunnarHj> jbicha, seb128: There is still a problem with gnome-sudoku translations:
[15:38] <GunnarHj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-sudoku/+bug/1734545/comments/4
[15:41] <seb128> GunnarHj, that sounds like a launchpad question, maybe wgrant on #ubuntu-devel is a better to ask about why the .po didn't make it to the import queue
[15:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, I'll ask him.
[15:42] <oSoMoN> seb128, didrocks : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793456
[15:42] <seb128> GunnarHj, thx
[15:42] <seb128> oSoMoN, great, thx!
[15:43] <didrocks> oSoMoN: I've linked the downstream report to the upstream one FYI. Thanks!
[15:43] <didrocks> oSoMoN: FYI, it's "also affect projects" -> enter the bugzilla url
[15:44] <seb128> GunnarHj, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/gnome-sudoku has " This source package is sharing translations with GNOME Sudoku stable series. " which I wonder if that's the issue
[15:44] <oSoMoN> didrocks, thanks, I knew that but I forgot to do it
[15:46] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yeah, I thought about that too, but syncronization is not enabled. Do you think that removing that upstream link completely can make a difference?
[15:46] <seb128> who knows
[15:47] <GunnarHj> :)
[15:47] <seb128> if wgrant doesn't reply I can try that
[15:47] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, in a bit
[15:47] <kenvandine> can't logout right now :)
[15:48] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, what happens if you reboot?
[15:49] <kenvandine> and what is $XDG_SESSION_TYPE set to?
[15:53] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, it's fixed with a reboot
[15:54] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, let me capture the full env before and after to compare
[15:56] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, XDG_SESSION_TYPE hasn't changed, it's "x11"
[16:00] <oSoMoN> potentially relevant changes (before/after): https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gVYj5mQ2Mj/
[16:04] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, interesting
[16:04] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, so some env variables are being appended too?
[16:04] <kenvandine> replication there :)
[16:05] <oSoMoN> yes
[16:06] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, do you see a wayland socket in /run/user/`id -u`/
[16:06] <kenvandine> when in the x11 session
[16:06]  * kenvandine is wondering if things aren't being cleaned up
[16:07] <kenvandine> although that wouldn't explain the weird env variable replication
[16:07] <oSoMoN> $ ls -l /run/user/`id -u`/wayland*
[16:07] <oSoMoN> srwxrwxr-x 1 osomon osomon 0 févr. 14 16:54 /run/user/1000/wayland-0
[16:07] <oSoMoN> -rw-rw---- 1 osomon osomon 0 févr. 14 16:54 /run/user/1000/wayland-0.lock
[16:07] <oSoMoN> indeed
[16:08] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, so the helpers are seeing the socket and trying to connect to wayland
[16:08] <oSoMoN> and sure enough, removing those files "fixes" the issue
[16:09] <GunnarHj> seb128: No quick reply from wgrant. Trying without that link appears to be worth a try. I can remove the link, but I can't re-upload...
[16:09] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^ have you seen issues with the wayland socket being left around?
[16:09] <seb128> kenvandine, I didn't no
[16:09] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, you are on bionic right?
[16:09] <seb128> GunnarHj, right, I can do another upload to see how it goes
[16:10] <kenvandine> i can't logout right now, i have a cleanbuild running :)
[16:10] <GunnarHj> seb128: Great! Link gone.
[16:10] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, yes, that's on bionic
[16:11] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, the helpers should probably check for the existence of the socket and XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[16:11] <kenvandine> just to prevent this sort of issue
[16:11] <kenvandine> but that's not the actual problem
[16:11] <kenvandine> that socket shouldn't be left around
[16:11] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, when you're done with your cleanbuild, please try and reproduce, I'd like to know if it's a general problem or only my setup that's busted somehow
[16:11] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, will do
[16:12] <oSoMoN> cheers
[17:56] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, sorry, i haven't forgotten... had a tweak and building again
[17:56] <kenvandine> almost done though :)
[17:56] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, no worries
[17:57] <oSoMoN> I'll very soon be EOD, I hope to catch up with sleep tonight, please comment on the bug
[17:57] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, will do
[18:16] <oSoMoN> that's it for today, have a good evening everyone!
[18:37] <willcooke> ok, I'm off too, night all
[21:34] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, i've got a build of gnome-software as a snap now
[21:34] <kenvandine> that works well with categories
[21:35] <kenvandine> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ken-vandine/gnome-software_git_amd64.snap
[21:35] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, if you'd like to play with it :)
[21:35] <kenvandine> currently only has snap and apt backends
[21:35] <kenvandine> i disabled fwupd
[21:36] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, and i've requested classic confinement for the store https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/classic-confinement-request-for-gnome-software/4015
[21:49] <robert_ancell> kenvandine \o/
[21:50] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, not in the store yet?
[21:51] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, also did you decide not to call it ubuntu-software?
[21:57] <kenvandine[m][m]> robert_ancell: the current plan is to leave it gnome-software and build it with a bunch of backends
[22:00] <robert_ancell> kenvandine the backends are different snaps?