[04:25] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> how are you mate
[07:14] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[07:14] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[07:14] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:14] <lordievader> Doing good here. How are you guys?
[07:15] <ducasse> morning, lordievader - all good here, thanks. got your morning coffee yet? :)
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:16] <lordievader> Not yet. Colleague hasn't arrived yet.
[07:19] <ducasse> morning, lotuspsychje
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> adding usbcore.autosuspend=-1 to grub didnt help grr
[09:14] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: What are you trying to do?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1749237
[09:15] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1749237 in linux-hwe (Ubuntu) "External usb 3.0 harddisk not detected by default on 16.04.3" [Undecided,New]
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> whatever i try, i cant get that hd to popup on desktop
[09:17] <lordievader> Is autosuspend disabled by default on 18.04?
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> not sure didnt check that actually
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> oh i did
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> i tryed 18.04 on the problem machine live
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> no dice
[09:18] <lordievader> So it seems a problem with the machine, rather than the software.
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> yeah tryed messing with bios, but no luck there either
[09:19] <lordievader> You should add that to the bug report.
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> ill do
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> the wird thing lordievader is when i branch the hd in usb before boot it works like a charm
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> but i cant deliver it that way to a customer right?
[09:21] <lordievader> "branch the hd" what do you mean with that?
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> i want it plug n play
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: aka: connected usb cable to the 3.0 port before boot
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> then its recognized
[09:21] <lordievader> What does udev say about it when you plug it in?
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> whats the command
[09:22] <lordievader> `sudo udevadm monitor --environment --udev`
[09:26] <lotus-seagate> lordievader: https://hastebin.com/rozebehasu.makefile
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> this is after the usb connected boot
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> then it keeps working
[09:28] <lordievader> Right, I was more interested in the case where it doesn't work 😋
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> ok lemme reboot holdon
[09:29] <jink> :o
[09:29] <jink> What is this, Windows? :P
[09:31] <lotus-seagate_> lordievader: https://hastebin.com/ififekurag.makefile
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> doesnt get recognized now
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> jink: comodore 64 :p
[09:36] <lordievader> Udev sees it just fine, also gives it a usb-storage driver.
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> its a medion akoya...
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> seagate works just fine on my netbook
[09:40] <lordievader> Does `dmesg` show anything if it fails to detect?
[09:40] <lordievader> when it fails to detect*
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> no
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> no new lines on plug
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> i could try this machine on w10 perhaps
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> see what it does
[09:43] <lordievader> No usb things either?
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> nop
[09:43] <lordievader> Plugging a usb stick in gives some usb info here.
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah normal usb stick gets detected
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> with dmesg or syslog
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> but not that seagate
[09:45] <lordievader> Is it already time to either blame Seagate or Medion? </sarcasm>
[09:45] <jink> lotuspsychje: Nice. :D
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: seagate not, as it works on my netbook fine
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> medion usb port, could be yes
[09:47] <lordievader> No, Seagate still make shitty drives.
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> tested other brand of usb 3.0 didnt work either
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:59] <oerheks> heya BluesKaj :-)
[11:59] <BluesKaj> hey oerheks :-)
[12:08] <oerheks> 0' C and sunny day, doggies love it
[12:40] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj oerheks
[12:40] <lordievader> How are you guys doing?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader, fine here, and you?
[12:42] <lordievader> I'm doing good :)
[16:15] <nacc> hey look at that Xen is gone
[16:15] <nacc> (not the package, the user on ubuntu-devel-discuss)
[16:21] <BluesKaj> not in that chat , what about him/her
[16:21] <nacc> let me find the archive
[16:22] <nacc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2018-February/017909.html
[16:22] <nacc> IMO, (and only my own), a troll who seeks to annoy developers
[16:22] <nacc> I have no idea if they have contributed anything to ubuntu ever, tbh
[16:25] <oerheks> "with the treatment you generally get on IRC." ..
[16:25] <nacc> yeah i was starting to wonder if they were someone in here, periodically, but honestly, their attitude as always been terrible, and the folks here are good :)
[16:26] <oerheks> well, 1st line of support, you need an elephant-skin
[16:27] <nacc> especially if you are volunteering :)
[16:27] <nacc> feels weird to complain about it, imo
[16:28] <oerheks> maybe he/she is a little burned-up, too much, too long on irc?
[16:28] <oerheks> seen that before, i try to answer 3 Q a day...
[16:37] <nacc> oerheks: if you can earch the archive, just read their old e-mails
[16:37] <nacc> essays, not emails
[16:37] <nacc> that just ramble and annoy :)
[16:49] <leftyfb> hm
[16:49] <leftyfb> now I'm curious who that was
[16:49] <nacc> leftyfb: me too
[16:49] <leftyfb> "I was recently spending a lot of time helping out in Ubuntu support"
[16:50] <leftyfb> there was someone a while back complaining about not helping out anymore for some silly reason
[17:10] <oerheks> leftyfb, yeah, i am looking through logs, but no 'xen'
[17:10] <leftyfb> yeah, that wasn't the name .. I know that much. I looked through my logs briefly and couldn't find anything. I might spend more time later if I care enough :)
[17:11] <nicomachus> daftykins: you asked about my 5x at some point recently. I don't have it, I traded it in to Project Fi when I got my Moto x4
[17:12] <nicomachus> daftykins: I haven't gotten a February update on my x4 yet either. Just got January at the end oft he month.
[18:34] <TJ-> nacc: leftyfb: Xen's IRC nick was xenar. From his web-site I'd suspect he's suffering some medical problems that influence the behaviour
[18:36] <nacc> TJ-: i see
[20:47] <daftykins> nicomachus: ah no worries, i got it yesterday here on 8.1
[21:01] <oerheks> anyone seeing gopal lately??
[21:14] <TJ-> what's the factoid for pointing to the basic help resources?
[21:14] <nicomachus> TJ-: I think !patience has them
[21:14] <Bashing-om> Maybe !manual - TJ- ?
[21:15] <nicomachus> daftykins: do you use tasker?
[21:16] <oerheks> !manual perhaps?
[21:16] <TJ-> aha!
[21:17] <TJ-> !manual > TJ-
[21:17] <ubot5> TJ-, please see my private message
[21:17] <TJ-> !manual > TJ-
[21:18] <TJ-> weird, tries to talk to me then stops talking :D
[21:18] <oerheks> <ubottu> The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[21:18] <nicomachus> !manual > TJ-
[21:18] <ubot5> TJ-, please see my private message
[21:19] <hggdh> you can also /msg ubot5 !manual
[21:19] <TJ-> Weird, that worked nicomachus :D
[21:19] <TJ-> hggdh: yes, I did, and was ignored :D
[21:19] <nicomachus> TJ-: I wonder if using your own name confuses it? not sure how
[21:19] <hggdh> heh
[21:19] <hggdh> too many requests clustered, perhaps
[21:19] <nicomachus> meh, that would probably be hard.
[21:20] <TJ-> nicomachus: yes, I wondered that but it tried to send me a message first time I issued the command but as I have +g I had to /query ubot5 first to open a privmsg channel, then it wouldn't talk to me
[21:40] <oerheks> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/ubuntu-18-04-minimal-install-option
[21:42] <TJ-> hahaha, that's hardly a 'minimal install' and is now going to confuse users with package 'ubuntu-minimal' or the mini ISO installers
[21:56] <oerheks> yeah, i think it gives more than with --no-install-recommends
[22:13] <Bashing-om> !phased-updates
[22:16] <oerheks> !does-updates-harm-my-install-and-can-i-get-my-money-back ?
[22:16] <ubot5> oerheks: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[22:16] <oerheks> oh sorry