[07:16] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:23] <ducasse> good morning all
[07:29] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:29] <ducasse> morning lordievader - all well?
[07:30] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[07:30] <lordievader> How are you?
[07:31] <ducasse> i'm good, thanks, waiting for yet more snow today :)
[07:33] <lordievader> 😉
[07:38] <ducasse> hehe, forecast says: "cloudy in the morning and heavy snow throughout the day. See warning."
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> still sleepy in main :p
[08:33] <ducasse> yes, really quiet today
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> 15mb bionic updates
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> now gdm shows ubuntu by default and shows the option ubuntu(on wayland)
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:51] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[11:51] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[11:58] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader ok here ,and you?
[11:58] <lordievader> Doing good here 😁
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Guys, my son is coming to visit and wants to help me upgrade this old pc. We're gonna install a new Asus mobo and intel i5 cpu, so that means going from BIOS to UEFI. and DOS table to GPT. Any suggestions how to proceed without losing my OSs and data, once the new HW is installed? The /efi/boot partition in particular seems to be a hurdle.
[12:59] <BluesKaj> maybe a clean install then migrating the backed up data is the best choice
[13:00] <oerheks> hi BluesKaj, yes, i would do a fresh install, done in 15 minutes..
[13:00] <oerheks> and a backup is not bad, to have
[13:02] <BluesKaj> definyely oerheks, thanks ...think that's probly the wisest and safest method...a little more work in terms of settings after the install, but worth it in the long run
[13:02] <BluesKaj> definitely
[13:05] <oerheks> sure, fresh UEFI mbr, best start for a new machine
[13:06] <oerheks> start with looking for updates for that uefi bios :-)
[13:06] <lordievader> BluesKaj: That is what I would do in that case. Grab a new drive for the new OS. Connect the old one when done with installing.
[13:07] <oerheks> a 2nd hdd, that would be awesome ..
[13:09] <oerheks> oh boy, CrazyTux spotted in ##linux
[13:10] <lordievader> His nick speaks the truth?
[13:10] <oerheks> jups
[13:12] <BluesKaj> oerheks, lordievader , yeah already have 2drives on this pc, a ssd and an old WD spinner
[13:13] <BluesKaj> hehe, the constant search for the ultimate OS continues for poor 'tux
[13:15] <BluesKaj> and now our friend the the tatertot is involved , this should be interesting :-)
[13:15] <lordievader> The ultimate OS... well good luck with that.
[13:15] <LtWorf> on my laptop i set it to legacy BIOS mode and did everything normal
[13:16] <BluesKaj> lt tried that and I had problems with disk errors and kernel panic, LtWorf
[13:17] <LtWorf> seems my legacy mode was tested and yours wasn't :D
[13:17] <BluesKaj> on my lenovo laptop
[13:17] <LtWorf> hm, i do have a lenovo thinkpad
[13:19] <BluesKaj> itworked ok for a while then after installing dual boot with W7 the problems started , but they didn't end after removing W7 so i sitched back to uegi and gpt, and now all is well
[13:19] <BluesKaj> uefi
[13:19] <BluesKaj> lenovo g500 here
[13:20] <BluesKaj> legacy mode and\ backflash bios worked perfectly til W7 got into the mix
[13:22] <JimBunbtu> Lenovo y500 here (since we are dropping models).
[13:30] <BluesKaj> lenovo is linux friendly and this tutorial rescued my system nicely https://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2017/02/10/partitioning-hard-disk-drives-for-bios-mbr-bios-gpt-and-uefi-gpt-in-linux/
[13:44] <LtWorf> i'm installing a fedora VM for work… their partitioning UI is so bad that it must have been designed by professionals of bad design
[13:44] <LtWorf> it's not just bad by chance
[13:48] <BluesKaj> fedora is ok but the attention to media apps was poor
[13:54] <LtWorf> ehm, aren't they the same media programs that are on other distributions?
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[15:33] <oerheks> hi lotuspsychje
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> hey oerheks
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> we going to maastricht tomorrow oerheks
[15:34] <leftyfb> that spammer is unoriginal
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> hey leftyfb
[15:35] <leftyfb> hi
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> ahh 1600 users
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> new record from a long time
[15:35] <oerheks> maastricht .. nice town.. hard to understand the language
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: i hope they understand the color of my money :p
[15:36] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/QcTBbjZsMg/
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> hmm that sophisthunter was here this morning aswell
[15:37] <leftyfb> yep, as cholby69
[15:37] <oerheks> silly kiddo,
[16:12] <nacc> good ole gopal
[16:15] <ducasse> yay?
[16:15] <oerheks> "but it is an ubuntu package, nacc, so if you don't know the answer, .."
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> oh no run!
[16:16] <nacc> oerheks: sigh
[16:16] <oerheks> :-D
[16:38] <nacc> robeph: s10gopal has been around for a bit now
[16:39] <nacc> as far as asking questinos that are totally random
[16:39] <oerheks> he never looked for an bios update, for his amd R5 issue ..
[16:39] <nacc> yeah
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> what has eclipse todo with battery drain omg
[16:39] <oerheks> so i wonder, why does 14.04 not drain ...
[16:39] <nacc> lotuspsychje: kernel bug
[16:39] <nacc> possibly
[16:39] <robeph> lotuspsychje: I think it's the ubuntu versin
[16:39] <nacc> or firmware issue on their machine
[16:39] <oerheks> HP bug only
[16:39] <nacc> i forget precisely
[16:39] <nacc> they filed an upstrema bug
[16:40] <nacc> and then asked every day for a week wehther it was fixed
[16:40] <nacc> because, after i asked, they didn't know what a bug was
[16:40] <nacc> i think they possibly still don't
[16:40] <robeph> [not the eclipse bit he needs the package that isn't in the current version he is using and 16 does,  so upgrade not plausible I assume
[16:40] <oerheks> that amd R5 m430 is not even supportd by amdgpu
[16:40] <robeph> can he just add the openjdk repo and pull from there?
[16:40] <robeph> distro aside?
[16:40] <nacc> robeph: probably
[16:40] <oerheks> openjdk ppa ? .. i find only old builds, 2017
[16:40] <robeph> I'm not keen on debian/apt package management,  I usually use gentoo
[16:41] <robeph> so not sure what can and can't be done
[16:41] <robeph> as per https://docs.datastax.com/en/cassandra/3.0/cassandra/install/installOpenJdkDeb.html
[16:42] <robeph> but if packages are still masked by distro, wouldn't work,  not sure how that all works though,
[16:44] <robeph> don't wanna tell him to try that and it not be working,  cos probably confuse the poor guy more,
[16:49] <ducasse> i wonder if he's this helpless irl
[16:51] <oerheks> it is sad, when you buy a laptop that gives such problems
[16:51] <robeph> my guess is ESL
[16:51] <robeph> his english is... a bit interesting and his phrasing,  may be using translator
[16:51] <robeph> which would account for why a lot of stuff isn't meshing
[16:52] <nacc> also he has no idea what he's doing
[16:52] <nacc> generally
[16:52] <nacc> which is fine
[16:53] <oerheks> My english conversation is not that good too :-D
[16:53] <nacc> but then he's doing some ... strange things
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: lol
[16:53] <hggdh> apart from the nick-spamming
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> his bug url is crazy
[16:53] <robeph> oerheks: yeah but if he's using a translator it becomes messier than just not being wonderful at english
[16:53] <ducasse> he attaches to people who've answered him once
[16:53] <robeph> hahahah
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646
[16:54] <oerheks> how did i become a member ... hmmm?
[16:54] <hggdh> robeph: no, he is not using a translator, just happens he is not fluent
[16:54] <ducasse> if i see that link once more i'll have a seizure
[16:55] <hggdh> the thing with him is he will not stop asking, even when directly asked to
[16:55] <robeph> okay,  well
[16:55] <hggdh> (the "I have a problem so somebody *must* help me" syndrome
[16:55] <robeph> he's one of those fellas.
[16:55] <robeph> *Sigh*  always a few of those lol
[16:55] <hggdh> part of the game
[17:23] <oerheks> TJ- \0/
[17:23] <TJ-> Afternoon oerheks, how's life?
[17:23] <oerheks> Do you remember gopal?
[17:24] <oerheks> good, waiting for diner to be served ( by me )
[17:24] <TJ-> oerheks: who could forget!?
[17:24] <oerheks> Don't join #ubuntu then, if you have nightmares
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:26] <ducasse> and now this guy wants him to use docker - as if that's not adding to the problem
[17:27] <TJ-> I don't see he's made any updates to the two tracking bug reports (LP and b.k.o.) in a few days
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/02/09/ubuntu-desktop-weekly-update-february-9-2018/
[17:28] <TJ-> I'm susbcribed; been hoping he'll do a bisect around the 4.4>onwards versions to pin-point where the regression is
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: seen a bug like this before? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1749237
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: ive tryed to add usbcore.autosuspend to kernel line, add to modprobe,disable in laptop-mode-tools nothing worked
[17:33] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: Yes; sometimes there's power management options in firmware config that affect it
[17:34] <oerheks> TJ-, i read back, he also didn't look @ HP for a bios update too?
[17:34] <ducasse> he needs really explicit instructions to do anything at all
[17:34] <TJ-> oerheks: I did - there isn't one, and it's a common problem across multiple HP models and affects some Windows installs too, which suggests a firmware/ACPI trigger at least
[17:35] <oerheks> oh oke
[17:35] <oerheks> i know it is a HP issue, m430
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: one for you :p http://news.softpedia.com/news/you-can-now-install-kde-s-plasma-mobile-on-your-android-smartphone-here-s-how-519792.shtml
[17:49] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, thanks for the link, but I don't use my phone as a computer, it's just a cheap alctel mini..to me it's just phone and sometimes a camera :-)
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> :p
[20:10] <nicomachus> why would I want KDE plasma on my phone
[20:12] <nacc> lol
[20:13] <oerheks> no wobbly windows ?
[20:13] <JimBunbtu> Hey now... I'm using wobbly windows right now
[20:15] <oerheks> i tried, on this wayland thingy :-(
[20:17] <nicomachus> I just had a TON of desktop packages autoremoved.
[20:18] <nicomachus> unity-scope-*, unity-lens-*, unity-services...
[20:19] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: 18.04 where unity no longer exists ?
[20:25] <oerheks> New! "MeltdownPrime" and "SpectrePrime,"  pit two CPU cores against each other to trick multi-core systems into giving up cached data.
[20:25] <oerheks> https://www.techspot.com/news/73305-researchers-discover-two-new-spectre-meltdown-variants.html
[20:27] <JimBunbtu> it's laughable
[20:30] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: I'm still on 16.04, and I installed Gnome oveer a year ago
[22:56] <nacc> nicomachus: you dropped unity on 16.04?
[23:03] <nacc> nicomachus: it looks to be a (relatively serious) regrssion due to compiz
[23:07] <xangua> When is unity 9 out?
[23:14] <kostkon> 9?
[23:18] <oerheks> Release Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS (Xenial Xerus) on March 1, 2018 \0/
[23:56] <nacc> xangua: no such thing, afaik