[06:29] <flocculant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2018-February/040139.html
[07:17] <Unit193> ...So if you opt-out, it tells them you opted out thus not actually fully opting out?  Otherwise it doesn't sound like the end of the world, but still not fond of it.  Part of that is I've had to poke them many times about fixing popcon, and it always breaks again.
[07:17] <Unit193> (It's been broken since Jun 2016 because I stopped bothering.)
[07:19] <Unit193> The privacy break was with update-motd, it's less bad than it was but still a bit...hidden.
[21:24] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 1.6.14 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-1-6-14-released-tp50674.html (by Alex)
[21:37]  * flocculant waits for that swiss bert to talk about thunar 1.7.0 ...
[21:38] <flocculant> bluesabre: documenting interesting bits would be useful for me at least :)
[21:39] <flocculant> bluesabre: also would be rather intersting to see what happens with our iso and this new option :)
[21:49] <flocculant> pinged in release about that ubiquity thing - and how it affects flavours - and reminded about our core 
[21:55] <flocculant> and some talk there too
[22:01] <flocculant> that could be an interesting diversion for some - already I'm confused :p
[22:17] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 1.7.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-1-7-1-released-tp50676.html (by Alex)
[22:18]  * flocculant suspects foul play from swiss bert 
[22:18] <flocculant> do we get that for 18.04 bluesabre  :D
[22:18] <flocculant> thunar 1.7 not foul play ...
[22:51] <flocculant> bluesabre: finally got a bionic vanilla - I'll run with that for a week, and see what I find there - anything specific you or ochosi want me to check out, bear in mind this install is full of ppa and git
[22:52] <flocculant> not working tomorrow so prior to sunrise I can fiddle about to make music and mpd work for me
[22:52] <flocculant> best sort nfs outputs too - or I'll scratch my head ...
[22:53] <flocculant> (firefox and tbird will use my elsewhere profile though - so only xubuntu issues to look at please)
[23:05] <flocculant> bluesabre knome - please check the *bold* installer issue note (or anyone watching)
[23:05] <flocculant> does it make sense
[23:06] <flocculant> knome: how do I make the whole of that stanza red - not some of it - all of it ;)
[23:10] <flocculant> quite important imo - every cycle we get 'installer issues' that we can't actually do anything about so we need to move those things elsewhere if you ask me
[23:11] <flocculant> if we get iszsues like lxde did when it efeectively died as an install then we can shout - or the lead (council can)
[23:11] <flocculant> lubuntu appear to be effective in getting things done ...
[23:17] <bluesabre> flocculant: where?
[23:17] <bluesabre> flocculant: thunar 1.6.x for bionic
[23:17] <bluesabre> flocculant: foul play for bionic+1
[23:17] <bluesabre> :D
[23:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: oh good lord - where? is just not fair lol
[23:18] <bluesabre> relative timestamp?
[23:18] <flocculant> yea - can we have gtk3 everythings for lts
[23:18] <bluesabre> nope
[23:18] <bluesabre> not going to do that to you :)
[23:19] <flocculant> I can check current for a week on vanilla - anything specific to look at?
[23:19] <flocculant> haha 
[23:19] <bluesabre> oh that
[23:19] <flocculant> yea ok :D
[23:19] <bluesabre> we know notifications are a bit crashy atm
[23:20] <bluesabre> sound plug should be completely functional except for the grey icon at some startups
[23:20] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'm really all over the place currently package wise - so a list of vanilla newness
[23:20] <bluesabre> also, if notifications crash, volume changes get slow
[23:20] <flocculant> bluesabre: well pa grey UI get EVERY boot
[23:20] <bluesabre> flocculant: gotcha, will get you a list of that tonight then
[23:20] <flocculant> without fail
[23:20] <bluesabre> handy
[23:21] <bluesabre> I think I have a solution for the double icons
[23:21] <flocculant> ack
[23:21] <bluesabre> going to annoy Unit193 with my proposal of undoing the ayatana port on that one
[23:21] <bluesabre> but yet
[23:21] <flocculant> oh cool - that one is shit - looks rubbish
[23:21] <bluesabre> will do some listy things
[23:21] <bluesabre> gotta run for now, bbl
[23:22] <flocculant> that'd be helpful
[23:23] <flocculant> bluesabre: try for a list this weekend - I'll run boring bionic for as long as I can cope, get some feedbacks to you and ochosi on theming issues
[23:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: Yeah, I know.  I just don't like it because when we'll be ready, we won't be in sync (but functionally will be the same.)
[23:23] <flocculant> I do not aplogise for the following ...
[23:24] <flocculant> HOW CAN WE EVEN TELL PEOPLE TO INSTALL XUBUNTU WGHEN WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT LOOKS OR WORKS
[23:24] <flocculant> SIGH
[23:24] <flocculant> SIGH
[23:24] <flocculant> SIGH