[06:22] <prince-charmant> Hello, How can I change the system date in lubuntu ?
[06:27] <hateball> prince-charmant: rightclick the clock in the tray iirc
[06:28] <hateball> prince-charmant: otherwise use the "date" command in a terminal
[06:29] <prince-charmant> rigth-click did not permit me to change the date
[06:30] <krytarik> There is also a menu item for it.
[06:31] <prince-charmant> in the system menu I start the date/time config, I unlock it then when I chenge the month ... It brig me in one second to the current month
[06:34] <prince-charmant> I have tried to set the date in a terminal - he say= "invalide date format" ..Grrrr
[10:24] <Gopal> Ris there anyone for my Lubuntu installation problem?
[10:26] <Gopal> Why do I get “No root file system is defined” when I try install Lubuntu alongside Windows 7?
[13:23] <linguini> I just installed lubuntu 17.10 on a new machine.  After rebooting, the display is at 1024x768.  Why?
[13:24] <linguini> I expect the display to be 1920x1080 or similar
[13:24] <redwolf> linguini, that's the default resolution. you can change it later
[13:24] <redwolf> emm bye :|
[13:25] <linguini> No, I can't change it.
[13:25] <linguini> Monitor Settings only lets me select 1024x768 (or auto, which does nothing).
[13:25] <redwolf> oh, maybe you need proprietary drivers
[13:26] <linguini> How do I find the ones I need and load them?
[13:26] <linguini> I have rebooted several times, and *ONE TIME* the display was 1920x...
[13:27] <redwolf> https://askubuntu.com/questions/47506/how-do-i-install-additional-drivers
[13:27] <redwolf> look at the "additional drivers" menu
[13:27] <linguini> Looking at dmesg, I notice that efifb was not probed on the "good boot"
[13:28] <linguini> redwolf: Thanks; additional drivers tells me that I have one device that is "Unknown:Unknown", and it is "not working".
[13:29] <redwolf> try activating it. it might solve your problem
[13:29] <linguini> I will use processor microcode firmware from Intel CPUs from intel-microcode (opensource).
[13:29] <linguini> Why wasn't this the default, me wonders...
[13:29] <redwolf> I have an unknown device as well, and it ended to be the gpu coprocessor
[13:29] <redwolf> we can't install proprietary things by default
[13:29] <linguini> Why not?
[13:30] <linguini> I also wonder why the display was 1920x during one "good boot" -- strange...
[13:30] <redwolf> because of licence issues
[13:30] <redwolf> we try to keep our systems "free"
[13:30] <linguini> What's the license issue?
[13:31] <redwolf> if you decide to install privative codecs or proprietary drivers (not managed by us) it's on you
[13:31] <linguini> The processor microcode firmware description says it is opensource.  Hmm.
[13:32] <redwolf> funny :)
[13:32] <redwolf> sometimes more than one appear there
[13:32] <redwolf> and some are from Nvidia, so not opensource
[13:32] <redwolf> who knows
[13:33] <linguini> I applied the changes, but the resolution did not change.  Perhaps I need to reboot.
[13:33] <redwolf> sure
[13:34] <linguini> Can I find a list of distributions that include and/or avoid proprietary drivers by default?
[13:35] <redwolf> yes: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html
[13:35] <dzho> on the latter front, I'd ^^^^ look at that :-)
[13:35] <redwolf> those don't include any proprietary code nor 3rd party packages (like drivers, Adobe colour profiles, etc)
[13:36] <linguini> I don't see Debian, Ubuntu, or Lubuntu on that page.
[13:36] <redwolf> no, we make easy to install proprietary drivers, but we don't include them in the ISO
[13:37] <dzho> you won't, because FSF doesn't like the fact that Debian et al have had non-free repositories, packages to install non-free (yet freely-redistributable) stuff
[13:37] <linguini> As a user, I'd like to say I find such a position painful.
[13:37] <linguini> IOW: I'd prefer 1920 and proprietary code to 1024 and only free code.
[13:38] <dzho> yes, well, there is a certain amount of pain that proprietary code presents.
[13:38] <dzho> that's the fundamental value judgement that these projects make.
[13:38] <dzho> convenience is important, but not so much as to override other concerns
[13:39]  * linguini wishes for a table that shows distributions by philosophy
[13:42] <dzho> I'd be surprised if wikipedia doesn't have something that's close, if not exactly that
[13:42] <dzho> distrowatch too
[13:46] <linguini> Kind of surprising to me that Debian is considered "not free enough" by FSF.  I think of Debian as uber-free, bordering on pushy.  But that's probably based on information sources that tend to be inflamatory.
[13:47] <Unit193> They have a non-free section.
[13:47] <linguini> Am I wrong in thinking Linux Mint is "Debian/Ubuntu + proprietary drivers by default"?
[13:49] <linguini> That is to say, I have the impression that the reason most people use Linux Mint is something along the lines of: "video actually works after I install!"
[13:49] <linguini> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions shows some information.  However, e.g., one doesn't see any difference between Linux Mint and Debian on the page.  But it seems to me that the two differ in philosophy.
 That is offtopic here, please stop.
[13:52] <linguini> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions describes some of the third-party distributions that are not controlled or guided by Canonical.  That is closer to a philosophy.
[13:52] <linguini> Maybe "goal" or "purpose" is a more accurate term.
[13:57] <linguini> FWIW, I would like to support Canonical, because I like user-friendly Linux.  But I feel conflicted about strict adherence to FSF.  My mom doesn't know how to install propietary drivers and doesn't really want to learn.  If it doesn't work by default, it doesn't work for her period. :-/
 Please, this is best for the offtopic channel
 /command !offtopic
[13:58] <linguini> Who is tsimonq2?
[13:58] <linguini> lubot: Are you a bot or a person?
 This is a Telegram bridge and I'm the Lubuntu Release Manager
 :}
[13:59] <linguini> Oh, so you're tsimonq2?
[13:59] <linguini> Telegram bridge to where?
[13:59] <linguini> I assume you're telling me that what I'm saying is offtopic then.
 @linguini, Yes
 @linguini, A Telegram channel :)
 @linguini, Correct
[14:02] <linguini> I don't mean to be offtopic.  I just wanted to give some feedback as a current and past Lubuntu user.
 OK.
[14:07] <linguini> What's the appropriate channel to ask whether Linux Mint is viewed negatively by Canonical?
 O.O
 I think there's no need for that
 @linguini, Not sure.
[14:13] <linguini> I'm curious because I could imagine Canonical viewing a distribution such as Linux Mint as ... unethical ... or something.  But ... maybe Canonical doesn't care about popularity or if their repositories are reused for projects with different goals.
[14:17] <linguini> Sadly, I must away.  Thanks for the help and info.
[17:27] <linguini> After enabling "additional drivers" for "unknown:unknown" and rebooting, my resolution is still 1024x768.
[17:27] <linguini> Perhaps I should try the live distribution and see if I get the same..?
[17:28] <genii> Can you re-cap your issue?
[17:32] <linguini> I just installed Lubuntu 17.10 on a new Z370 HD3P / i7-3800 system.  I get 1024x768 at login time.
[17:32] <linguini> One time, for unknown reasons, after a reboot, I got the proper 1920x768.
[17:33] <linguini> I have dmesg from both the "good" and "bad" boots.  There is little difference, except in the "bad" boot, I see that efifb is probed, and it returns: mode is 1024x768x32, linelength=4096, pages=1
[17:33] <linguini> Somebody suggested that I enable proprietary drivers and reboot.  I gave that a try, but my resolution is still 1024x768.
[17:35] <linguini> Actually, I think https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=coffee-uhd-graphics&num=1 describes my problem exactly.
[17:37] <linguini> I'll try rebooting with i915.alpha_support=1
[17:45] <linguini> Indeed, i915.alpha_support=1 makes my display look much nicer (1920x1080)
[22:18] <Thedarkb-M90> I'm downloading the alternate image of the LTS because it's smaller.
[22:18] <Thedarkb-M90> Good or bad idea?
[22:18] <wxl> same end result.. but it's not a live system.. and it's a different installer
[22:18] <Thedarkb-M90> Sounds good to me.
[22:18] <Thedarkb-M90> Is it the debian installer?
[22:18] <wxl> yep
[22:19] <Thedarkb-M90> I'm waiting for a 1 gig RAM stick for my X40
[22:19] <Thedarkb-M90> Should let me use LXDE again.
[22:21] <Thedarkb-M90> I only have 256 at the moment.