 Time for stats reset!
 Hello, what a root password or phablet user password?
 @Yance, phablet password == your phone password
[00:16] <ubptgbot> jpaulostrindade was added by: jpaulostrindade
 There is no root. -- Neo
 @UniversalSuperBox, Hi Dalton, the Spanish Team finished 100% of the strings this afternoon but like the first version it doesn't appear in https://docs.ubports.com/
 @advocatux ?  Welcome back.. back.  back.. :)
 Thanks Wayne 👍 Not ready yet for prime time but I'm doing what I can in the backstage
 (Photo, 506x360) https://irc.ubports.com/qclGZEnw.png
 🎵one of these is not like the others
 kicks build
 What does mean exactly?
 The build isn't getting triggered
 I manually triggered it
 Why it isn't working as expected?
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 😂
 There, manually added the hooks for Spanish and French.
 This is a good time to say you thank you for your work!
 That didn't help at lal
 [Edit] That didn't help at all
 Hmm, it should find the locale and say "Building targets for 6 po files that are out of date"
 but it doesn't
 Stupid sexy server
 oic
 Fixed it
 Can I say thank you now? 😋
 Yeah sure
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/KTYmFQX4.mp4
 Anytime
 Oh it's alive!! https://docs.ubports.com/es/latest/
 There's a typo in the frontpage *sheeet*
 What happens if I fix it? Will it be updated in the next round?
 Next time Weblate decides to commit its changes, yeah
 I fixed it anyway (a broken link). … I have to go now. Good night
 Ah. Yeah, there's really no way I could prevent that either
 It's a The Wire reference
 @matv1, Now he is in endless os.
 my ears are burning :)
[04:59] <ubptgbot> Ravi Chaudhary was added by: Ravi Chaudhary
[05:52] <ubptgbot> Aravind was added by: Aravind
 Is it possible to revert back to Android from ub
 @mhall119, Oops!! I didn't knew you are in this group!! The question is why don't you give direction or help the community? They really need help from old canonical guys!
 @Aravind, Use MDT tool.. which device?
 Nexus 5
 Use MDT tool...
 Where can I download is it free
 Which os are you using?
 I am currently using marshmallow I want to test ubu but I am little confused about its past record from canonical
 You wanted to know that whether you can go back to Android from UT?  … Ans: yes   … Mdt tool will help you to do that(it works only on linux)
 If you want install UT on Nexus 5 use the officially supported installer
 I did full twrp backup from my N5 before installing Ubports because i didn't know how good it works. Luckily i didnt need it because i am happy with ubports 😁
[07:30] <ubptgbot> Antonio90b was added by: Antonio90b
 @bhdouglass  Thank you for this tools (Jade Diamond), an application really useful, exelent !
 Since there are some issues with mobile data indicator switch on Nexus5 I would like to know, if there is any possibility to turn on/off mobile data manually? Apparently mobile data connection works because I can connect trough webbrowser or network apps, but I wish to turn it off.
 @mhall119, Hi Michael, good to hear from you again. hope you're well. Anyway @milkor73 was looking to try and get some learning-to-program app for kids on Ubuntu touch. He started packaging Scratch web but that turned out to be flash based so uselless. I know there's the Scratch rebase 3.0 on HTML5 but thats not finished yet. I
[09:16] <ubptgbot> remember you being pretty envolved in childrens software once. So Ithought you might know stuff we may not be aware of in the foss domain.
 @mhall119, Hello honoured Michael, I would like to ask you something regarding Endless OS and the apps you have there dedicated for kids based on Wikipedia/ Contents/ Portals. Could we invite you to UB Parents group to find the way how to implement similar apps also on Ubuntu Touch? As you may noticed, the group has just lunc
[09:22] <ubptgbot> hed new Kids webrowser Jade Diamond. Thx in advance.
 @matv1, Thx, for feedback and help 👍
 np!
 Hi
 @sealofnova, Hello Viper. Welcome back! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @milkor73, i know you're not bot. :)
 Are you sure?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/XaWhbdr0.mp4
 @dohbee is your VM ready to try to set a Libertine terminal's sudo permissions?
 @technicalbird which community do you feel needs direction?
 @milkor73 sure, send me an invite link
 @mhall119, Of course the ubports community!
 You all haven't needed my help in a long time 😃
 yeah we've been very fortunate with the people that stepped up.
[12:21] <ubptgbot> jimexp was added by: jimexp
 @mhall119, We missed you though 😜
 @TartanSpartan, not yet, no.
 Hi all. Does anyone know if Ubuntu touch can be installed on a nexus 7 let?
 Oops, I mean LTE
 read the description if this supergroup
 it literally has a link to supported devices page
 take your time to read it
 if your device is not there - its not supported
 I did, Ivan. Flo is listed as working. No mention of LET.
 then its not supported
 its that simple
 should work on deb too i think
 http://system-image.ubports.com/ubports-touch/15.04/rc/deb/
 there's an rc image, but no stable release on deb
 i think there are 16.04 devel builds too
 It usually isn't that simple in the free software world, Ivan.
 @jelkner, I am one of the porters of Ubuntu Touch
 It usually isn't, no
 I know that a lot more devices are supported, but they are not really ready to use
 @vanyasem, and I highly doubt that you want to build something out manually to find out that if doesn't work
 @vanyasem, [Edit] and I highly doubt that you want to build something manually to find out that if doesn't work
 @vanyasem, [Edit] and I highly doubt that you want to build something manually for several hours to find out that if doesn't work
 @vanyasem, [Edit] and I highly doubt that you want to build something manually for several hours to find out that it doesn't work
 @vanyasem, no need to do so
 @dohbee, false
 look at the link i pasted ivan
 no new halium based images are uploaded anywhere
 and stop being a negative nancy
 nobody said anything about halium
 @dohbee, plz close front facing camera app
 Come on man, knock it off. It was a simple question. Maybe quit Telegram for a while.
 @UniversalSuperBox, matrix or irc
 which one do you prefer
 Poor Wayne, many will run away and goodbye the 1300 !
 @libremax, I apologize
 @jelkner, Short answer is that there is no stable image, but there does appear to be 15.04 rc channel images
 no 16.04 image builds either it seems
 flo/deb probably needs someone to maintain it
 btw. I don't know if this is the right communications channel, but I am trying hard to find my way into this community.
 I filled out the join form, but haven't heard back.
 There appear to be only two channels, UB Welcome & Install
 and this one
 it would be cool if there was another channel for folks who have it installed but aren't port devs
 Right, this is the main group and Welcome is mostly for install support and getting people to the right place for their questions
 like me
 i'm a high school cs teacher
 right now i'm working with some very bright students (smarter than me 😉
 to port a firefox os app to the open store
 where should we turn for community help?
 You're definitely in the right place
 cool, Dalton, thanks!
 our goal is to port this app: https://marketplace.firefox.com/app/librifox-1/
 i purchased a one plus one, so ubports is now my phone os
 i also have a nexus 7 lte that i was hoping to run it on
 but we run ubuntu in our cs lab
 so we are looking at setting up open store on intel
 and compiling the apps locally to they will run on our desktop machines
 There's a webapp (I think, correct me if I'm wrong  @milkor73 ) for this, https://open-store.io/app/librivox.milkor
 oh, let me look
 ;)
 Thanks, Mikel!  So there is.  There wasn't last time I looked.
 @jelkner, i think there is also an open store channel, and perhaps another for app dev too. if you want more specific channels. this one is a mix of everything :)
 @jelkner feel free to join the OpenStore group: https://open-store.io/telegram & the app dev group. Anyone have the invite link for that?
 here it is: https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN
 This one? https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN
 ^^
 lol @LarreaMikel
 nothing has happened XD
 😂
 @jelkner, @wayneoutthere will like this :)
 WOOOOOOOAH!  haha Youre right.  Wayne Out There does like this.
 @wayneoutthere It looks like there is no need now.
 by the way people, go drink some coffee.  It warms you up and makes you hate less
 apps are being added to the app store quickly!
 In my opinion, native apps are always welcome, even if there is a webapp
 well, the web app is probably not very nice to use, just comparing the two apps via their screenshots
 @LarreaMikel, seconded
 @jelkner, hey Jeffrey.  You seem like you might either be a parent, or deal with a few parents.  You might enjoy our parents group.  We just launched Jade Diamond ;) … https://t.me/UBports_Parents
 looks like the firefox os app could be run as a cordova app though
 Have you upgraded openstore server, it seems A LOT faster after i updated the openstore app?
 iirc it is pointing to a new domain... open-store.io
 @samitormanen, the new app just points to our new .io domain ( open-store.io )
 Ahh, ok. Maybe i am imaging things then 😁
 Hey!  Are you missing stuff here?  Hard to follow?  Gone for a few days and can't seem to catch up on the fun?  Don't worry!  We have a dedicated News Channel to help you stay on top of what matters.  Just one click and you're the boss: https://t.me/ubports_news
 It maybe that porting LibriFox is still a worthwhile endevour.
 The current Librivox app does not appear to have a download feature.
 And the UI is not nearly as user friendly as our sweet little LibriFox 😉
 haha oleee
[15:30] <ubptgbot> <Ravi Chaudhary> Somebody please help . … Whenever I give command of sudo apt-get , it says cannot access folder . I resolved it by remounting / . But after remounting system the system settings don't open. And when I reboot -- got stuck at boot logo.
 can we sudo-apt get stuff in Ubuntu Touch?
 @wayneoutthere, in a chroot, or in libertine, yes-ish
 but you should not generally be remounting / as rw and using apt-get to install or update
 it's very easy to fill up /, which will result in failure to boot, or also very easy to just break things even when / doesn't fill up
[15:34] <ubptgbot> <Ravi Chaudhary> @dohbee, Then how should I give apt command
 @Ravi Chaudhary, you shouldn't. why are you trying to use apt?
[15:35] <ubptgbot> <Ravi Chaudhary> I want to install openvpn server.
[15:35] <ubptgbot> <Ravi Chaudhary> Is it possible in ut
 i wouldn't recommend it on 15.04, given it is end of life
 @Ravi Chaudhary, that probably won't work because ubuntu touch uses mir
 i don't see how those two things are related
 doh
 I read it as openvnc
 :D
 heh
 @Ravi Chaudhary, The best way I think is to create a CHRoot container in your home folder
 and install applications in there
 @Ravi Chaudhary, https://askubuntu.com/a/623311/50737
 just replace vivid with xenial there, to get a 16.04 chroot instead
[15:40] <ubptgbot> <Ravi Chaudhary> @seshpenguin, Chroot container doesnt allow  system commands
 hm?
 you will definitely have to do some extra stuff to make it so openvpn would work in the chroot though
 @Ravi Chaudhary, yes it does
[15:43] <ubptgbot> <Ravi Chaudhary> @dohbee, I tried it with linux deploy. On giving system command the response was- running chroot, ignoring command
 Has there been any discussion of creating some kind of crowd funding (aka "bounty") program for ports?
 I would love to see UBports on my Nexus 7 LTE, for example.
 @Ravi Chaudhary, i have no idea what that is or does. the instructions in my askubuntu answer i linked above work fine, and "sudo chroot ." in that chroot gives you a shell as root. you can run apt in it just fine
 And since it did run previously (https://www.gaggl.com/2015/05/installing-ubuntu-phone-touch-on-nexus-7-lte/)
 @Ravi Chaudhary, Isn't linux deploy an android app? If so that may be why it didn't work.
 it may be doable again.
 I down't have the wherewithall to contribute to that with skill, but I could join with other interested folks in funding someone who could.
 @jelkner, as i stated before, there is an image on the server which you can install right now if you wish
 ahh, ok
 it is however an older 15.04 build and not "stable"
 right @dohbee, hence my question about crowdfunding and finding someone to bring it up to date.
 just a thought.
 i haven't the time or patience to deal with building images, but i guess there are a couple of people in @halium who if you sent them some devices, could probably get builds working
 That's how it was done before Canonical dropped the project. At that time, however, our focus changed from porting to building an OS
 And you made the right choice @UniversalSuperBox!
 I purchased a One Plus One based on it, and it is working great.
 there are a few revisions of the nexus 7, so would be good to get at least one of all of them, to someone to work on getting it building/running
 @dohbee, thought there were only two
 There are 3
 as far as i can gather
 refered to as 2012, 2013 wifi, and 2013 LTE
 The LTE takes a SIM card
 so it needs RIL support
 which is painful
 But I wonder if the current images work?
 @jelkner, no, i mean just the 2013 version
 there was a refit with a different MMC or something, which caused some problems before
 The 2012 Nexus 7 is definitely not supported, and not going to be supported again
 the 2013 wifi looks like it works
 https://devices.ubports.com/#/flo
 but not the LTE
 Right, Rodney is looking on https://system-image.ubports.com/ubports-touch/15.04/devel/deb/
 well i was looking at rc
 but yeah
 Which hasn't been built since December 2017
 well 15.04 hasn't been built since december for anything, has it?
 Good point
 i don't see 16.04 devel images for either flo or deb?
 @jelkner, No any problem from my site, go and improve it for all of us if you can and you would like 😉👍
 @milkor73 are you the librivox app developer?
 @milkor73 never mind, i see that you are.
 yes, your suggestion is absolutely correct, we should share information and see how best to offer a nice librivox player
 @jelkner, See you in UBParents 😁
[18:33] <ubptgbot> Ivo Valek was added by: Ivo Valek
[18:38] <ubptgbot> <Ivo Valek> Hello all, would You be so kind and help me with my new installation of Ubuntu Touch from Ubports onto my previous Ubuntu Touch tablet by Canonical? I'd like to get an advise, if there was a possibility to install the Ubports UT clearly so it means that the former UT would be completely removed from my device. In my present case I
[18:38] <ubptgbot> 've probably only added Ubports UT at the Canonical UT so there is lower space for data then before the reinstallation...
 it is not possible to have both installed at the same time
 unless you're doing the unsupported thing with the patched MultiROM i guess, but i'm not sure if it supports having two different ubuntu images
 @Ivo Valek, Welcome to the community, Ivo.  We have an install room (and other useful info) at this welcome page.  Take a look and welcome!  https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[18:43] <ubptgbot> <Ivo Valek> I understand, but before the Ubports UT installation I had more then 8GB data space and now I have only 5GB. So I think, that's not correct result or is it? I have done all steps along Ubports installation instructions...
 Ivo Please join the Welcome room
[18:44] <ubptgbot> <Ivo Valek> Ye I've been there-what shall I do next?
[18:46] <ubptgbot> <Ivo Valek> I see, You want me solve my problems there...OK!
 Yeah, we can handle your problem more properly
 we are all volunteers, I"m sure you already  know that. ;)
 @TartanSpartan ok, how were you using a shell inside libertine? you installed xterm there or something and using that?
[19:02] <ubptgbot> <Ivo Valek> I didn't use Libertine because I don't know, what it is. What I know only is that I've installed the UBports UT before while and I have still double starting process like before the installation and more I have less data space on tablet's "hard disk". So My impression is that would be the best brend new UBports UT installation ont
[19:02] <ubptgbot> o my tablet...
[19:03] <ubptgbot> <Ivo Valek> I submitted my problem into the UBports forum...
 that libertine question wasn't for you Ivo
 i don't know why you have less data space, doesn't really make sense. i don't think the ubuntu image is even that large. so something else would be taking up space i guess.
 or partition layout changed somehow
 @Ivo Valek, You should join the welcome room, and you may have cashe often tablet problem
 We will help you with that
 Hey all, I think maybe UBports could get in touch with Samsung if someone has any connection or knows a samsung dev.  … For now, take this Samsung Dex survey, make sure to mention Ubuntu Touch. This could potentially be our chance: … http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/samsung-launch-linux-on-galaxy-survey
 I don't think, at the moment, UBports will benefit directly from getting in touch with samsung. Unity8 is not even ready for us
 I did that survey yesterday and I talked about UBports all over it
 Sure but getting a few dedicated dev contributors from Samsung could be a great deal if one could be made.
 i think if ubports satisfied the needs of samsung for dex, they'd already be using it
 I think, if samsung goes this way will be possible to install unity8 and other DE later
 @advocatux, same haha
 i said 'i'll buy this only if ubports
 well, at least, unofficially.  … To get attention of samsung devs and his community, porting ut to one of their flagship is, eventually, a better option. But this is just me
 @wayneoutthere, 👍
 and also in https://www.distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubports some days ago
 Following your podcast-advice
 nice work.  now we are already the number one mobile on distrowatch
 https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubports … Vote it up! :)
 @wayneoutthere, there is only one under mobile 😆
[20:51] <ubptgbot> <Marco A> I don't know if it is the right place to post this info, a long time ago I found a lock file that completely blocked my network indicator so that I couldn't disable internet 3G connection. … root@ubuntu-phablet:/userdata/user-data/phablet/.config/connectivity-service# ls -la … total 12 … drwxrwxr-x  2 phablet phablet 4096 ott 14 10:
[20:51] <ubptgbot> 42 . … drwx------ 63 phablet phablet 4096 set 24 21:34 .. … -rw-------  1 phablet phablet  794 ott 14 10:29 config.ini … -rw-r--r—  1 phablet phablet    0 ott 14 10:42 config.ini.lock … root@ubuntu-phablet:/userdata/user-data/phablet/.config/connectivity-service# rm config.ini.lock
[20:51] <ubptgbot> <Marco A> Removing that lock file resolved the issue
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <Marco A> maybe it could be a good idea to remove it if present at boot time
[20:53] <ubptgbot> <Marco A> Just not to forget it in my ut notes... :)
 @Marco A, no, it's a poor workaround for the bug in qt
 is your phone's storage nearly full?
[21:00] <ubptgbot> <Marco A> I don't remember, it was october 2016 but I read similar problems so maybe it could help someone in the same situation.
[21:01] <ubptgbot> <Marco A> I think it was related to the hotspot functionality in bq45
 there's a bug open in launchpad about it
 problem is Qt's atomic write fails, and ends up leaving the lock file in place
 it's a common issue when the storage fills up
[21:02] <ubptgbot> <Marco A> ok, why deleting it at boot time is not a good idea?
 because it's a hack, not a production fix
 a better fix would be to change indicator-network to not use QtSettings API for storing those values
 @Cédric, sooooo... what? ;)
 i'm not entirely sure what the difficulty level of that is right now though
 but i don't think it's trivial :-/
 @wayneoutthere, so you need to add webos/tizen/android
[21:04] <ubptgbot> <Marco A> allright, and adding this deletion to some reset functionality in settings?
 no
 That would actually be dangerous if there was indeed a write happening to the config file
 there should be no need to delete anything
 or maybe the issue is already fixed in Qt 5.9 and we won't have to worry about it after 16.04 images are stable
[21:06] <ubptgbot> <Marco A> ok it's my poor sysadmin approach I see, but I had to reset my home to recover and then restore the tgz to reveal the problem...
 @dohbee, Got a link?
 @tsimonq2, not at the ready, i'd have to go dig through launchpad's bug lists for indicator-network and qt
 @tsimonq2, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1576989 looks like another incarnation of it
 @tsimonq2, and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1615474
 @dohbee Ack, thanks.
 I ended up writing a qml module that uses leveldb for settings storage in dekko to workaround that QSettings lockfile issue as I kept being bitten by it.
 @DanChapman Can you please leave a comment on the bug report for future ref?
 @bhdouglass, I updated but still very slow download for apps, imagine for the documents 60mb is really difficult to download.
 @DanChapman, Why not just use LocalStorage?
 @dohbee, Ah yes the stale lock file bug that'd randomly break everything \o/
 @Gabriele, downloaded ~instantly on my workstation :)
 @Gabriele, Yeah we need to switch to a better time host
 That thread makes me so thankful for `nmtui`
 @bhdouglass, What can be done to improve the speed of download? Downloading apps is not so fun right now becouse of data speed transmission.
 I have plans to move where out files are hosted to something better
 XZ -11 compression for us all! Joking of course ;)
 [Edit] I have plans to move where our files are hosted to something better
 Here's the original: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1576989
 late to the party
 @bhdouglass, Thank you :)
 @dohbee, I didn't know, that there is the possibility to patch Multirom... I am so excited to test it 😁😁😁
 @Mappaschreck, It is unsupported :)
 Yes, but I have no choice, because I sadly need 3 Android apps and my N4 has no Anbox support...
 @wayneoutthere, It might be a good idea to let them know it's called Ubuntu Touch
 Not until they can have in writing (rather than understanding) that we have rights to the trademark
 @UniversalSuperBox @dohbee if you guys see any bugs in the Qt stack you need fixed, subscribe me personally and ping me.
 I'm Ubuntu's Qt "Maintainer"
 sees as personal invitation to bother Simon
 @UniversalSuperBox, you see it correctly
 ok
 could someone tell me how well wireless display works on the nexus 5, please?
 @AresMinos, what dalton said...
[22:40] <ubptgbot> RMontesL was added by: RMontesL
 Fwd from bastos777: Seems to be that the FP2 is available again at least in Germany: https://www.sparhandy.de/bestellweg_kundendaten.html?bundle_id=27523&tarife_id=6273&resetSession=1&bestellweg_start=1
 1 to go for 1300 members? Or did we loose anyone?