[07:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:15] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:15] <EriC^^> good morning lordievader ducasse
[07:15] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^ ducasse
[07:15] <lordievader> How are you all?
[07:15] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, lordievader - all going well?
[07:16] <ducasse> ok here, lordievader
[07:16] <EriC^^> good you? lordievader ducasse
[07:16] <lordievader> Doing alright here :D
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:50] <JimBunbtu> g'morn
[11:52] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBunbtu
[13:16] <pauljw> hi everyone
[13:21] <jink> Hi Paul.
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Hey pauljw
[13:53] <pauljw> hi jink, BluesKaj :)
[16:21] <nicomachus> nacc: yes I dropped unity on 16.04.
[16:22] <nacc> nicomachus: it was a bug :)
[16:22] <nacc> nicomachus: fwiw
[16:22] <nacc> compiz migrated when it shouldn't have
[16:22] <nacc> (as it required unity to be rebuilt)
[16:22] <nicomachus> huh
[16:22] <nacc> upgrade wouldn't have done it, but a dist-upgrade would have (as its allowed to remove broken packages)
[16:23] <nacc> thanks to your message, we caught it after only a few hours :)
[16:23] <nicomachus> I did a full-upgrade
[16:24]  * daftykins never runs standard 'apt upgrade' s
[16:24] <nicomachus> same
[16:24] <nicomachus> it's always 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade'
[16:25] <daftykins> still got a couple of machines on 14.04 so i can't use all the features of apt and have to mix it with apt-get still :<
[16:26] <nicomachus> Huh. paste.ubuntu.com has a new disclaimer at the top of the page...
[16:26] <daftykins> o rly
[16:27] <nicomachus> nacc: updating my rpi now for the first time in a week or so. still autoremoving a lot of the python packages that my laptop removed yesterday, but not the unity packages (it has MATE installed): https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xBY4DR35Sd/
[16:27] <nicomachus> daftykins: This site is intended for use as a short-term exchange of pasted information between parties. All submitted data is considered public information. Submitted data is not guaranteed to be permanent, and may be removed at any time. Please do not set up programs to send data to this site in an automated fashion; it is intended to be used directly by humans.
[16:28] <daftykins> well well, so they're actually gonna start removing things eh?
[16:28] <daftykins> believe it when i (don't) see it
[16:28] <nicomachus> there's a new dropdown selection for expiration date, too
[16:28] <daftykins> ooh very nice
[16:28] <daftykins> i love that about Nextcloud, if i share a pic to you i can make it expire at midnight
[16:28] <nicomachus> "None, A Day, A Week, A Month, A Year" with an additional exclaimer of: Paste expirations (or lack thereof) are approximate and not guaranteed
[16:29] <daftykins> hah
[16:30] <nicomachus> I wonder how many archived, useful posts on AskUbuntu and StackExchage are going to be destroyed by that
[16:30] <nacc> nicomachus: full/dist same
[16:30] <nacc> nicomachus: yeah the latter case is what we expected
[16:31] <daftykins> mmm i still type dist-upgrade tbh
[16:31] <daftykins> should really move on from that habit, but eh
[16:31] <nacc> yeah for apt it's the same
[16:54] <daftykins> heh i've got an ancient WD Caviar SE 250GB drive in one of my ubuntu servers, it has a 7.2 year power on time
[16:54] <daftykins> still totally clean SMART
[17:03] <nicomachus> nacc: how do I change a wiki page?
[17:03] <nicomachus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FoldingAtHome
[17:03] <nicomachus> this page lists the wrong IRC channel
[17:03] <nicomachus> they ahve the support channel as ##folding, but it's #fah
[17:04] <nacc> nicomachus: login first
[17:04] <nacc> then edit it?
[17:04] <nacc> nicomachus: you need to be in the right team to have permission, iirc
[17:04] <nicomachus> oh.
[17:08] <ducasse> nicomachus: you need to be in the wiki-editors team
[17:08] <nacc> ducasse: thanks
[17:11] <nicomachus> well, #fah just directed me to a separate forum. Doesn't seem to be an IRC support channel.
[17:12] <nacc> heh
[17:34] <nicomachus> I think that folding at home should be easier to install than this...
[17:34] <nicomachus> the stanford page lists 3 .deb packages. 1 installs fine, the other 2 depend on deprecated packages.
[17:34] <nicomachus> the Ubuntu wiki lists 4 different installers, all abandoned or non-working
[17:36] <daftykins> :O
[17:36] <daftykins> you after a space heater or something? :)
[17:37] <nicomachus> Just figured I'd go with the light process and do my part.... but it's not that easy apparently.
[17:37] <nicomachus> I have a PC at home that's always running but that I only use about an hour a day. Might as well do some good.
[17:38] <daftykins> hmm
[17:45] <ducasse> afternoon, daftykins - all going well?
[17:48] <daftykins> heyup \o
[18:00] <creativ3> Anyone else having problems with Oracle VirtualBox through the software center? (it freezes when I click run).
[18:00] <nicomachus> creativ3: this isn't a support channel. try #ubuntu
[18:01] <daftykins> creativ3: also you appear to be running Mint, not Ubuntu - and no they're not the same :)
[18:01] <creativ3> daftykins: How can you see that btw?
[18:02] <daftykins> it's magic
[18:02] <nicomachus> ~mint@188.113.85.253
[18:02] <nicomachus> oh. sorry. right, magic
[18:03] <daftykins> :)
[18:04] <creativ3> Pretty new to linux and IRC. Would like to know how to see these things here.
[18:05] <nicomachus> creativ3: when you log into IRC it lists your hostname and IP, unless cloaked (see #freenode for more info). Yours is ~mint@188.113.85.253. you can see it yourself by typing '/whois creativ3'
[18:06] <creativ3> Thank you. How can I cloak this info?
[18:06] <nicomachus> '/join #freenode' and ask them.
[18:06] <daftykins> it is wrong to hide what distro you are running in order to get help elsewhere, just so you know
[18:07] <nicomachus> also true.
[18:07] <creativ3> daftykins: I have heard mint and ubuntu are the same, and I was not getting any help on the other mint chat. I apologize.
[18:07] <nicomachus> they are not.
[18:08] <daftykins> that's wrong, but yeah that's common because their community is non-existant... also no good reason that distro exists at all really
[18:10] <creativ3> I was guided to distrowatch and to dl the top OS there by someone I know, since I want to stop using Windows and try and go over to GNU/Linux instead.
[18:12] <nicomachus> distrowatch's ranking are distorted because it's only judged by page visits to a distro's website, not actual downloads.
[18:12] <nicomachus> Ubuntu is the #1 installed linux distro and is a better option for first-time users than Mint.
[18:14] <creativ3> nicomachus: I did not know this. Thanks for the info about that.
[18:15] <nicomachus> np
[18:45] <nacc> when is it appropriate to \ignore donofrio?
[18:45] <nacc> i'm getting close
[18:49] <tomreyn> when he adds M$_ to his nickname
[18:50] <hggdh> nacc: actually, you can opt to not engage anymore with him
[18:50] <nacc> hggdh: yeah i need to
[18:50] <nacc> hggdh: i'm bad at that :/
[18:50] <hggdh> :-)
[18:50] <nacc> if you hadn't noticed :)
[18:50] <hggdh> usually we all are sort of bad in letting go
[18:51] <hggdh> he could go with this on -offtopic, or even -discuss, but this is not an issue for +1
[18:52] <nacc> i've got the canonical wsl folks to know there is that other channel now :)
[18:52] <nacc> so hopefully he'll stay there
[18:54] <hggdh> ok, so I will not boot him out
[18:55] <nacc> yeah, hopefully they do it correctly
[18:55] <nacc> also they don't seem to know how to fix issues with the development release, so i don't know why they are runnignit